Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Don Dan]

The Governments are over reacting. 
 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10306211/DR-ANGELIQUE-COETZEE-alerted-wider-world-Omicron-believe-Britain-overreacting.html#article-10306211

 

'I alerted the wider world to Omicron - and I believe Britain is overreacting':  Doctor Angelique Coetzee, the South African GP who knows more about its effects than anyone, calls for calm despite variant cases spiking 50 per cent in 24 hours 

Yet you only have to look at the picture in South Africa, where the world's first known cases of Omicron were spotted, to realise this reaction is out of all proportion to the risks posed by this variant.

And I should know — because I am the doctor who first raised the alarm about Omicron back in November.

The variant appeared to have been circulating in South Africa for some time, having previously been identified in Botswana. It was my duty — both as a GP and as chair of the South African Medical Association — to report my concerns.

 

A hard lockdown would slow the process of Omicron making its way through the population and allowing people to develop the vital antibodies which will move your population towards 'herd immunity'.

The next variant that comes along might be slower spreading but more severe, and so we will need all the help we can get from such natural immunity.

That can only be of value to us all — unlike restrictive measures that hit the economy hard and will bring about more hardship and poverty, with no gain beyond satisfying the politicians' need to be seen to be doing something.

 

 

 

So my message to Boris and his ministers is this: stay calm. Take it day by day and do not panic people, because that will only end in chaos. You are already seeing problems with the NHS vaccination booking system following the Prime Minister's address to the nation of an accelerated booster plan on Sunday.

In the fight against Covid, as in life generally, it's important to pick your battles, and in over-reacting to Omicron we are in danger of missing out on the benefits of a variant which could be a friend rather than a foe.

[Victorian]

7 minutes ago, Dazo said:

That doctor also said that those in hospital had other issues that contributed/caused them to be hospitalised. Is it really hard to draw any firm conclusions regarding this variant ? 
 

Leaving aside the issue mass infection this variant will potentially cause on the working population can we at least conclude this is a mild virus. Yes people will die but the percentages especially among the fit, well and vaccinated must be ****ing minuscule. 

 

We'll just have to wait and see.  It would be foolish to determine definites.

[kila]

9 hours ago, Alex Kintner said:

Worrying comments from GPs today about the impact of Project Booster on normal GP services ☹️

Don’t understand why they can’t get the army to help again. Pop up stalls around the place (or a vaccine bus/truck) instead of trying to squeeze more out of the existing workforce and fixed locations. 

[The Mighty Thor]

11 minutes ago, kila said:

Don’t understand why they can’t get the army to help again. Pop up stalls around the place (or a vaccine bus/truck) instead of trying to squeeze more out of the existing workforce and fixed locations. 

Because Spaffer, in a desperate attempt to take the focus off his lying and general shitehousery, has stood up on Sunday and said something that is not deliverable, shuffled his papers then wandered off to leave everyone else to clean up the carnage he's just unleashed.

 

There was no forethought about what capacity was, or how quickly they can set up pop-ups or trucks or commandeer community centres, get volunteers, staff etc

 

Just the lying fat ride standing up giving it the big one as per, whilst the adults of PHE had to reign it in yesterday. 

[Don Dan]

1 minute ago, The Mighty Thor said:

said something that is not deliverable, shuffled his papers then wandered off to leave everyone else to clean up the carnage he's just unleashed.

Classic Clown Shoes 

[Alex Kintner]

1 hour ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Before pandemic, it was almost impossible to get doctors appointment. During pandemic, it was impossible to get appointment.

Project booster won't make any difference except for some of these GP's, they may have to actually see a patient face to face.

I know that's a shock to their system and they'd prefer to sit cosied away from everyone and leave nasty things like patients to nurses whilst they sit writing out prescriptions and dream up ways to spend their money, but national emergency and all that.

Our local GP practice has been pretty good during pandemic, which has been great considering I have two young children. Phone appointment in the first instance and then either a video or in person appointment as a follow up as required. It feels like it’s actually been easier to speak to a GP than previously (albeit over the phone)

[Don Dan]

This just shows how inept and stupid this Government is. 
Raab was on Sky this morning saying 250 people were in hospital suffering from the Omricon variant when in fact it’s only 10. 
They then had to release a statement correcting his gaff. 

[Dennis Denuto]

14 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Because Spaffer, in a desperate attempt to take the focus off his lying and general shitehousery, has stood up on Sunday and said something that is not deliverable, shuffled his papers then wandered off to leave everyone else to clean up the carnage he's just unleashed.

 

There was no forethought about what capacity was, or how quickly they can set up pop-ups or trucks or commandeer community centres, get volunteers, staff etc

 

Just the lying fat ride standing up giving it the big one as per, whilst the adults of PHE had to reign it in yesterday. 

Not normally one to defend Boris but it's not the first time he has announced something seemingly undeliverable and yet they have just about hit the targets, even in the devolved nations who are far from supportive of him.  Now that is more down the excellent work of people on the ground delivering things that seemed impossible.

 

Upscaling boosters is far more palatable than increasing restrictions to slow it down so we can get the boosters done, so lets hope that Boris is right and we can get everyone (nearly) before the end of the year and don't have to suffer too much disruption to out lives.

[Dennis Denuto]

3 minutes ago, Alex Kintner said:

Our local GP practice has been pretty good during pandemic, which has been great considering I have two young children. Phone appointment in the first instance and then either a video or in person appointment as a follow up as required. It feels like it’s actually been easier to speak to a GP than previously (albeit over the phone)

I have to say I have had no problems with my Surgery, in fact it has been slightly better than before.

 

I accept that has not been the case for everyone.

[Malinga the Swinga]

Just now, Boy Daniel said:

This just shows how inept and stupid this Government is. 
Raab was on Sky this morning saying 250 people were in hospital suffering from the Omricon variant when in fact it’s only 10. 
They then had to release a statement correcting his gaff. 

To be fair to Raab, it can't be easy to provide the correct figures when being interviewed. It's not as if he has a team behind him to keep him up to date.

[Taffin]

6 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

This just shows how inept and stupid this Government is. 
Raab was on Sky this morning saying 250 people were in hospital suffering from the Omricon variant when in fact it’s only 10. 
They then had to release a statement correcting his gaff. 

 

Inept suggests it was mistake. I'd highly doubt that.

[Dennis Denuto]

2 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

To be fair to Raab, it can't be easy to provide the correct figures when being interviewed. It's not as if he has a team behind him to keep him up to date.

It is unbelievable how often they get these things wrong, I mean nobody would mind if they went on with it written down so they can be 100% certain of the information being given out.

 

Even if I am going to post something on here with actual figures I usually double check them.

[Dennis Denuto]

Just now, Taffin said:

 

Inept suggests it was mistake. I'd highly doubt that.

Why would he correct himself then? Usually this lot just double down when caught lying.

[Don Dan]

4 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

To be fair to Raab, it can't be easy to provide the correct figures when being interviewed. It's not as if he has a team behind him to keep him up to date.

I was thinking about his gaff and wondered if the figure was going to be released later today in an attempt to boost the take up the vaccine and help the vote tonight. But then that would a cynical thought and the lying Tories would never do that. 

[Ray Gin]

Covid in Scotland: Schools will not close early due to Omicron - Sturgeon

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-59642204

 

 

 

 

[escobri]

Just now, Ray Gin said:

Covid in Scotland: Schools will not close early due to Omicron - Sturgeon

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-59642204

 

 

 

 

They will open late though, January lockdown is coming and lots of people will be praising the lying @@@@@

[MrBones]

Was at the match Sunday, tested positive for covid on Monday. 

 

Double vaccinated

 

I put tynecastle down as a place I'd been, don't know if folk will get pinged that were near me?

[Jeff]

Just now, MrBones said:

Was at the match Sunday, tested positive for covid on Monday. 

 

Double vaccinated

 

I put tynecastle down as a place I'd been, don't know if folk will get pinged that were near me?

 

18000 pings!

 

You grass

 

In all seriousness get better soon

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 minute ago, escobri said:

They will open late though, January lockdown is coming and lots of people will be praising the lying @@@@@

😀

[Ribble]

12 hours ago, theshed said:

Tom they will probably be saying two jags doesn’t protect you from omicron. 
 

Now if they are saying that two jags doesn’t protect you anymore from omicron and need a 3rd jag then why are they going to bring in this passport rule down south that we have already? 
 

They are saying you need to be double jagged to get into places but on other hand are saying two jags isn’t enough to protect you anymore so need another one so what’s the point in a passport to proof your double jagged🤷‍♀️

 

I honesty don’t think they have a bloody clue 

 

I was in London last week with work and tbh they have to do something down there, it's a riot in comparison to here!

 

Pubs/clubs with posters in the window advertising nights with 'slogans' such as 'No masks, just fun', folk only wearing masks on public transport if there is someone sat next to them etc

 

I even had a few mocking comments for putting a mask on when moving around the office, with folk telling me that 'Nicola wouldn't find out and I didn't HAVE to wear a mask.

[Savage Vince]

46 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

To be fair to Raab, it can't be easy to provide the correct figures when being interviewed. It's not as if he has a team behind him to keep him up to date.

 

He's Prime Minister material according to some. 😬

[joondalupjambo]

1 hour ago, kila said:

Pop up stalls around the place (or a vaccine bus/truck) instead of trying to squeeze more out of the existing workforce and fixed locations. 

Is it not because they need fridges for at least the Pfizer jag, ? AZ is not being used is it for boosters?

[Don Dan]

On Sky now Dr Kate Bingham is answering questions from the Science and Technology Committee. Amongst other things this inept government regarding the fight against Covid19 she wrote to the Government with recommendations that were never answered and when if she was surprised she never got an answer Dr Bingham said yes! 
All in all Dr Bingham is laying bear how useless this lot are!  
 

Dr Bingham was the former head of the Vaccine Taskforce. 

Edited December 14, 2021 by Boy Daniel

[Ray Gin]

Just now, joondalupjambo said:

Is it not because they need fridges for at least the Pfizer jag, ? AZ is not being used is it for boosters?

 

Yeah it's just Pfizer and Moderna for the boosters.

 

[Taffin]

41 minutes ago, Dennis Denuto said:

Why would he correct himself then? Usually this lot just double down when caught lying.

 

They've 'clarified' figures on a number of occasions after the fact throughout the pandemic.

 

In this instance, the narrative he was spinning was a 'significant' number in hospital with the new variant. When pressed he's gone with 250 as it:

 

- over-eggs the pudding to suit 

- he'd have been laughed at if he said 10 as it's clearly not a significant number 

 

 

Inept? Yes, he is...by very virtue of the yarn he was trying to spin and gett called out whilst in the act.

 

Inept for saying 250 by mistake? Absolutely not, there's one thing this lot are good at and it's conning people. He knew fine well the number was nowhere near 250.

 

[joondalupjambo]

3 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Yeah it's just Pfizer and Moderna for the boosters.

 

Yep so pop up, mobile and other similar options for delivering these may be limited.

Yet more reasons as to why this booster roll out will be tough in terms of time scales.

 

 

[Don Dan]

Next up on the committee is the South African Dr 

 

She will be worth a listen too

[Dennis Denuto]

1 minute ago, Taffin said:

 

They've 'clarified' figures on a number of occasions after the fact throughout the pandemic.

 

In this instance, the narrative he was spinning was a 'significant' number in hospital with the new variant. When pressed he's gone with 250 as it:

 

- over-eggs the pudding to suit 

- he'd have been laughed at if he said 10 as it's clearly not a significant number 

 

 

Inept? Yes, he is...by very virtue of the yarn he was trying to spin and gett called out whilst in the act.

 

Inept for saying 250 by mistake? Absolutely not, there's one thing this lot are good at and it's conning people. He knew fine well the number was nowhere near 250.

 

His explanation of why he said 250 then 9 and finally 10, make him sound far too stupid to be able to perform the kind of deception you are talking about. There are currently 6223 Covid patients in English Hospitals, the fact he has had to backtrack make it look even less 'scary' that if he'd just got the number right

[Nucky Thompson]

4 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

On Sky now Dr Kate Bingham is answering questions from the Science and Technology Committee. Amongst other things this inept government regarding the fight against Covid19 she wrote to the Government with recommendations that were never answered and when if she was surprised she never got an answer Dr Bingham said yes! 
All in all Dr Bingham is laying bear how useless this lot are!  
 

Dr Bingham was the former head of the Vaccine Taskforce. 

Is she a Doctor? I thought she was a venture capitalist.

Definitely a Tory though.

 

 

[SE16 3LN]

1 minute ago, Ribble said:

 

I was in London last week with work and tbh they have to do something down there, it's a riot in comparison to here!

 

Pubs/clubs with posters in the window advertising nights with 'slogans' such as 'No masks, just fun', folk only wearing masks on public transport if there is someone sat next to them etc

 

I even had a few mocking comments for putting a mask on when moving around the office, with folk telling me that 'Nicola wouldn't find out and I didn't HAVE to wear a mask.

😂😂😂 One of the Fear spreaders spends a few days in London and thinks he knows what's going on. Until the Christmas shoppers and party people from rUK invaded for Christmas shopping, party's and cheap hotels, we had virtually no Covid. If you don't like the city that feeds your subsidy habit, why not **** off somewhere else.

[Don Dan]

1 minute ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Is she a Doctor? I thought she was a venture capitalist.

Definitely a Tory though.

 

 

She is a Dr of Something. She is a Venture Capitalist. However she didn’t hold back anything in showing the Tories as being inept. 
 

from Wiki. 
 

Bingham worked in business development for Vertex Pharmaceuticals and consultants Monitor Companybefore joining Schroder Ventures in 1991 (now SV Health Investments).^[8][9] She became a managing partner specializing in biotechnology, and has served on the boards of companies in the UK, US, Ireland, Sweden and Germany, including Autifony Therapeutics, Bicycle Therapeutics (named for their specialism in bicyclic peptides), Mestag Therapeutics, Pulmocide, Sitryx, and Zarodex Therapeutics.^[9][10]

[Malinga the Swinga]

17 minutes ago, Savage Vince said:

 

He's Prime Minister material according to some. 😬

Nah, nobody, not even he and his family, can think that. 

He would unite opinion though. Everyone can't stand him.

[Victorian]

I can't fault people for retaining a bit of scepticism or puzzlement about what's going on.  When you try to consider all of the variables and predictions,  it's all a bit of a mystery.  The scale of suspected cases that haven't come forward,  the measured doubling rate,  the concerns about the volume of hospitalisations,  the consequences of large numbers of key worker absences and no apparent urgency to lockdown.  No wonder people find it hard to buy in.

 

I think there may well be scientific theories and / or strategy going on that isn't being disclosed.  Critical national resilience alone a monumental concern.  Maybe the only way to deal with it is to operate an epidemiological strategy that they would rather not divulge.

[Nucky Thompson]

3 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

She is a Dr of Something. She is a Venture Capitalist. However she didn’t hold back anything in showing the Tories as being inept. 
 

from Wiki. 
 

Bingham worked in business development for Vertex Pharmaceuticals and consultants Monitor Companybefore joining Schroder Ventures in 1991 (now SV Health Investments).^[8][9] She became a managing partner specializing in biotechnology, and has served on the boards of companies in the UK, US, Ireland, Sweden and Germany, including Autifony Therapeutics, Bicycle Therapeutics (named for their specialism in bicyclic peptides), Mestag Therapeutics, Pulmocide, Sitryx, and Zarodex Therapeutics.^[9][10]

Nah, she's not a doctor and she made an erse of the vaccine task force 

[Taffin]

4 minutes ago, Dennis Denuto said:

His explanation of why he said 250 then 9 and finally 10, make him sound far too stupid to be able to perform the kind of deception you are talking about. There are currently 6223 Covid patients in English Hospitals, the fact he has had to backtrack make it look even less 'scary' that if he'd just got the number right

 

Yet we have a war and peace thread on Tory lies. They know exactly what they're doing...there's no way he gets up there and doesn't broadly know the figure.

 

Misheard the question...aye right.

 

Stupid people don't end up in the government without at least having one or two other things:

 

- leverage 

- deceit 

 

He may have both, he may just have the latter but I'm not buying he was 25x out or misheard the question.

 

 

Happy to disagree though and admire you're willingness to trust them.

 

 

[Bindy Badgy]

1 hour ago, Dennis Denuto said:

It is unbelievable how often they get these things wrong, I mean nobody would mind if they went on with it written down so they can be 100% certain of the information being given out.

 

You'd think wouldn't you? Unfortunately, idiots will jump on any moment of hesitation. Jeremy Corbyn was attacked for using an Ipad to check figures.

[Dennis Denuto]

1 minute ago, Taffin said:

 

Yet we have a war and peace thread on Tory lies. They know exactly what they're doing...there's no way he gets up there and doesn't broadly know the figure.

 

Misheard the question...aye right.

 

Stupid people don't end up in the government without at least having one or two other things:

 

- leverage 

- deceit 

 

He may have both, he may just have the latter but I'm not buying he was 25x out or misheard the question.

 

 

Happy to disagree though and admire you're willingness to trust them.

 

 

LOL, Trust their total incompetence..... 

[Taffin]

Just now, Dennis Denuto said:

LOL, Trust their total incompetence..... 

 

That's fair, and I'm not meaning to suggest you think they're good/competent...but I don't have them down as honest fools.

[Dennis Denuto]

1 minute ago, Taffin said:

 

That's fair, and I'm not meaning to suggest you think they're good/competent...but I don't have them down as honest fools.

Only on this occasion, I'm not saying they dons habitually lie, just not this time.

[XB52]

16 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said:

😂😂😂 One of the Fear spreaders spends a few days in London and thinks he knows what's going on. Until the Christmas shoppers and party people from rUK invaded for Christmas shopping, party's and cheap hotels, we had virtually no Covid. If you don't like the city that feeds your subsidy habit, why not **** off somewhere else.

😂😂😂😂Says the London guy who is never off here slagging off another countries government 😂😂😂😂. Good trolling though 

[Ribble]

14 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said:

😂😂😂 One of the Fear spreaders spends a few days in London and thinks he knows what's going on. Until the Christmas shoppers and party people from rUK invaded for Christmas shopping, party's and cheap hotels, we had virtually no Covid. If you don't like the city that feeds your subsidy habit, why not **** off somewhere else.

 

Fear spreader? aye ok, and yeah it's the incomers to London spreading covid all over the place by washing their hands and wearing their masks. And **** off somewhere else? Sure, i'll just tell my bosses to move 15,000 employee's and our core infrastructure away from london shall I? 

[Don Dan]

8 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Nah, she's not a doctor and she made an erse of the vaccine task force 

 I not sure how you can claim she is not a Dr. 
The vaccine roll out has went very well which is the only this government has got right. 

[Savage Vince]

25 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said:

😂😂😂 One of the Fear spreaders spends a few days in London and thinks he knows what's going on. Until the Christmas shoppers and party people from rUK invaded for Christmas shopping, party's and cheap hotels, we had virtually no Covid. If you don't like the city that feeds your subsidy habit, why not **** off somewhere else.

 

It's your type that your city doesn't want lurking about. They've been squeezing you all out for years, you silly little twerp. 

[The Mighty Thor]

1 hour ago, Dennis Denuto said:

Not normally one to defend Boris but it's not the first time he has announced something seemingly undeliverable and yet they have just about hit the targets, even in the devolved nations who are far from supportive of him.  Now that is more down the excellent work of people on the ground delivering things that seemed impossible.

 

Upscaling boosters is far more palatable than increasing restrictions to slow it down so we can get the boosters done, so lets hope that Boris is right and we can get everyone (nearly) before the end of the year and don't have to suffer too much disruption to out lives.

It'll all depend on where he is personally and how many dead cats he's going to need to over his ineptitude and criminality

 

Just like Sunday was.

[Unknown user]

1 hour ago, Alex Kintner said:

Our local GP practice has been pretty good during pandemic, which has been great considering I have two young children. Phone appointment in the first instance and then either a video or in person appointment as a follow up as required. It feels like it’s actually been easier to speak to a GP than previously (albeit over the phone)

 

Same, I've had my share of health stuff during all this and had very little problem seeing my GP or with hospital appointments or operations

[Ray Gin]

55 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said:

😂😂😂 One of the Fear spreaders spends a few days in London and thinks he knows what's going on. Until the Christmas shoppers and party people from rUK invaded for Christmas shopping, party's and cheap hotels, we had virtually no Covid. If you don't like the city that feeds your subsidy habit, why not **** off somewhere else.

 

 

Did the Christmas shoppers start arriving in July?

 

🤔

 

 

[SE16 3LN]

31 minutes ago, XB52 said:

😂😂😂😂Says the London guy who is never off here slagging off another countries government 😂😂😂😂. Good trolling though 

Usual Xenophobic bullshit from 12XU. 

 

I pay council tax in Scotland, I look after my elderly mother in Scotland, I was born in Scotland, yet to Mel Gibson's ugly sister, I'm a London Guy slagging off another countries govt. 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Dump your bigoted Nationalist perspective and you'll start to see the world from the vantage point of truth.

[SE16 3LN]

37 minutes ago, Ribble said:

 

Fear spreader? aye ok, and yeah it's the incomers to London spreading covid all over the place by washing their hands and wearing their masks. And **** off somewhere else? Sure, i'll just tell my bosses to move 15,000 employee's and our core infrastructure away from london shall I? 

You're getting big bucks, stop ****ing moaning. 

[Dennis Reynolds]

Someones a bit touchy about London 

[milky_26]

Norway to ban bars and restaurants from serving alcohol for the next 4 weeks. 

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/norway-bans-serving-alcohol-bid-halt-omicron-outbreak-2021-12-13/