Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[JudyJudyJudy]

15 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Companies in general make profits for shareholders. This should be used in the first instance to ensure their lowest paid staff receive a salary they can live on and comfortably pay their taxes. The public shouldn't top it up via taxes whilst the shareholders get rich. There's no need to worry about your margin if your business is breaking even whilst providing all your staff an equitable wage and covering its cost base. The surplus profits are just greed to fuel the few. 

 

I'm also not in favour of higher wages all round, if the top earners need to be rebalanced to enable the lower earners to have a bit more, so be it. It's the same in business as in politics...percentages favour those with more. Pensions contributions should be in £ notes, not percentages. A guy on 20k getting 5% contributions is getting a pittance compared to those on 80k getting 5%. Take that total number paid out and share it equally to all staff.

 

Off my high horse now haha. But yes, oddly maybe given my views on covid, I'm very much an anti-capitalist.

 

That said, I'm also a little bit sympathetic to the line of argument I'm sure Enzo would take...given the minimum wages, I'd question how squeezed anyone working full time really is. I've been on it and it wasn't an exuberant lifestyle, but I was never in serious trouble.

Working tax credit let’s Many employers off the hook too . They can stick to as near as possible minimum wage . 

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, redjambo said:

 

A fair number. Go to https://www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/local and scroll down to "Vaccination Coverage by Council Area" (near the bottom on the left).

Wow, some enlightening information on there 👍🏽. 
89.7 had their 2nd jag. 

[Boab]

1 hour ago, Taffin said:

 

Tax the corporations instead, or force them to pay a better wage to their staff to be taxed on. Nobody should be in full time work and being paid such a pittance that they can't afford to pay taxes.

I agree but we are veering off I suppose.

[Footballfirst]

4 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said:

 

We are in our early to mid 60s and will be due our boosters in late November's going by the 6 months date following our 2nd vaccine.

England did 150,296 boosters yesterday. Scotland did 24,887.  Decent numbers IMO.

[Footballfirst]

2 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said:

 

👍

 

My nurse daughter gets hers this week.

My wife (works in ENT) got her 2nd jab back in February, but is not deemed "front line" for the booster, so may have to wait until the 60+ cohort is called.  I got my 2nd in May but might get my booster before her if they stick to the age groups.

[JimmyCant]

3 hours ago, jonnothejambo said:

 

We are in our early to mid 60s and will be due our boosters in late November's going by the 6 months date following our 2nd vaccine.

It’s 24 weeks not 6 months. Around 2 weeks short of 6 months. You’ll probably get your letter before the end of the month for flu and booster together.

[Savage Vince]

5 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

Working tax credit let’s Many employers off the hook too . They can stick to as near as possible minimum wage . 

 

Agreed and this was the plan. The minimum wage was a con. It very soon became the going rate and wages plummeted and never recovered. 

[Konrad von Carstein]

But also

 

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

11 hours ago, Savage Vince said:

 

Agreed and this was the plan. The minimum wage was a con. It very soon became the going rate and wages plummeted and never recovered. 

Yep 😞

[Nucky Thompson]

I see that they're all coming out of the woodwork 'demanding' that the UK government bring in tougher restrictions.

 

I'm glad that they were told to feck off 

[Victorian]

On the boosters,  Leitch said today that they've "done the over 80s.. ".

 

No they haven't.  I know of quite a few who have had no contact.  

[JudyJudyJudy]

36 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

I see that they're all coming out of the woodwork 'demanding' that the UK government bring in tougher restrictions.

 

I'm glad that they were told to feck off 

Yep. Pulling out all the stops now . The shameless “ don’t kill your granny “

mantra is all over this article From the number one scare mongering media source yet again 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/19/without-covid-19-jab-reinfection-may-occur-every-16-months-say-scientists?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0duCSPNOKedvA-cRyyth02BMOKPeACMeShzgyidtwAfg6HNK5W24hEtqU#Echobox=1634709950

[frankblack]

35 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Yep. Pulling out all the stops now . The shameless “ don’t kill your granny “

mantra is all over this article From the number one scare mongering media source yet again 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/19/without-covid-19-jab-reinfection-may-occur-every-16-months-say-scientists?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0duCSPNOKedvA-cRyyth02BMOKPeACMeShzgyidtwAfg6HNK5W24hEtqU#Echobox=1634709950

 

And yet you know that the UK government are stalling before they inevitably cave in when the shit hits the fan in hospital admission rates.  The Tories have been repeating the same mistakes since the start of the pandemic.  Reopen quickly, remove all restrictions, and then a few months later have to put them back again.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

This rise in infections, I wonder how much is to do with the English schools/colleges/universities returning back after their summer holiday's, as they all went back in September.

You'd expect to see a rise in infections when all the kids went back to school/uni etc.

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, frankblack said:

 

And yet you know that the UK government are stalling before they inevitably cave in when the shit hits the fan in hospital admission rates.  The Tories have been repeating the same mistakes since the start of the pandemic.  Reopen quickly, remove all restrictions, and then a few months later have to put them back again.

But thought the vaccinations were the way out of it all? 

[Konrad von Carstein]

4 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

But thought the vaccinations were the way out of it all? 

Vaccinations on their own are not a silver bullet,  2x vacc people are getting this, face coverings and social distancing in certain settings are, imo, still required.

[Footballfirst]

38 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Yep. Pulling out all the stops now . The shameless “ don’t kill your granny “

mantra is all over this article From the number one scare mongering media source yet again 

So how many grannies are you willing to sacrifice, or operations have to be delayed for you to accept that some restrictions might be necessary?

 

We are "living" with the virus just now, but it isn't showing any signs of diminishing in its impact.  UK cases up 16%, Deaths up 15% and Hospitalisations up 10% week on week.

 

I'm not taking lockdowns, but mask waring in public places, facilitating more home working while, in parallel, seeking to increase the uptake of booster vaccinations and amongst teenagers might help. 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

Something which really puzzles me is this.

The UK has for months now had a stubbornly high infection rate, when compared to other countries, and what I mean by that is that other countries rates rise and fall and with it their death rates as well, but the UK has stayed pretty much around the 30k+ for months now, without any signs of reducing, like we are seeing near enough everywhere else.

[Beni]

24 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

Something which really puzzles me is this.

The UK has for months now had a stubbornly high infection rate, when compared to other countries, and what I mean by that is that other countries rates rise and fall and with it their death rates as well, but the UK has stayed pretty much around the 30k+ for months now, without any signs of reducing, like we are seeing near enough everywhere else.

 

I saw this being speculated about on Twitter recently, with possible contributing factors being:

UK started vaccinating earlier, so reduction in efficacy is kicking in earlier.

More reliance on the AZ vaccine which is less effective.

Other countries didn't remove restrictions until their infection rates were lower.

UK was comparatively late in starting to vaccinate teens who are acting as a reservoir at the moment.

[Footballfirst]

11 minutes ago, Beni said:

 

I saw this being speculated about on Twitter recently, with possible contributing factors being:

UK started vaccinating earlier, so reduction in efficacy is kicking in earlier.

More reliance on the AZ vaccine which is less effective.

Other countries didn't remove restrictions until their infection rates were lower.

UK was comparatively late in starting to vaccinate teens who are acting as a reservoir at the moment.

Re your last point, I've just had a look at the vaccination rate among the 12-17 age group.  As of yesterday, the take-up rate in Scotland is currently 56.5%.  In England the rate is just 24.9%. 

 

It is certainly a factor.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

22 minutes ago, Beni said:

 

I saw this being speculated about on Twitter recently, with possible contributing factors being:

UK started vaccinating earlier, so reduction in efficacy is kicking in earlier.

More reliance on the AZ vaccine which is less effective.

Other countries didn't remove restrictions until their infection rates were lower.

UK was comparatively late in starting to vaccinate teens who are acting as a reservoir at the moment.

 

Could easily all be factors.

 

6 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Re your last point, I've just had a look at the vaccination rate among the 12-17 age group.  As of yesterday, the take-up rate in Scotland is currently 56.5%.  In England the rate is just 24.9%. 

 

It is certainly a factor.

 

That's an interesting stat and I wonder why England has such a lower take-up in the 12-17 age group compared to Scotland.

[Footballfirst]

3 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

That's an interesting stat and I wonder why England has such a lower take-up in the 12-17 age group compared to Scotland.

Scotland started with 16-17 year olds being invited to attend drop-in vaccination centres. While that approach had its attractions, it needs a conscious decision to make the effort to go. It's all too easy for individuals to say that they can't be bothered and find excuses for not doing so.

 

More recently the SG reverted to an appointments system for 12-15 year olds.  While individuals can still opt out, I think that having a fixed appointment already made for you makes it more likely that you will make the effort to attend.  I believe that the take up rate in England for 12-15 year olds is as low as 15%, while it is 48% in Scotland.

[Boab]

1 hour ago, Footballfirst said:

So how many grannies are you willing to sacrifice, or operations have to be delayed for you to accept that some restrictions might be necessary?

 

We are "living" with the virus just now, but it isn't showing any signs of diminishing in its impact.  UK cases up 16%, Deaths up 15% and Hospitalisations up 10% week on week.

 

I'm not taking lockdowns, but mask waring in public places, facilitating more home working while, in parallel, seeking to increase the uptake of booster vaccinations and amongst teenagers might help. 

They will implement their Plan B, I'm pretty sure of that. No lockdowns but the restrictions you've mentioned above will be re-introduced IMO.

In my few visits down south since they opened up, the differences from up here were stark. It's no surprise to me that the talk is now of putting the brakes on. 

Personally, I can see my trip abroad in the next two weeks to be under threat. Already noises about travel to some countries being affected. 

I suppose it makes the talk of normality returning from some, look premature, as alluded to by us on here.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 hour ago, Footballfirst said:

Scotland started with 16-17 year olds being invited to attend drop-in vaccination centres. While that approach had its attractions, it needs a conscious decision to make the effort to go. It's all too easy for individuals to say that they can't be bothered and find excuses for not doing so.

 

More recently the SG reverted to an appointments system for 12-15 year olds.  While individuals can still opt out, I think that having a fixed appointment already made for you makes it more likely that you will make the effort to attend.  I believe that the take up rate in England for 12-15 year olds is as low as 15%, while it is 48% in Scotland.

 

And even Scotland's 48% is low compared to some countries in mainland Europe, such as France (68%), Italy (62%) & Spain (79%) whose % rates for 12-18 are much higher, however Germany is only 36% but even that is twice the rate of vaccination than in England, which might explain why the UK is still having such high infection rates.  In saying that we were slower to begin to vaccinate children, so this time it's the UK playing catch-up with the rest of Europe.

 

Here is a decent article on the state of play in mainland Europe.

https://www.euronews.com/next/2021/09/14/covid-vaccine-for-children-who-in-europe-is-leading-the-race

[redjambo]

Scottish numbers: 20 October 2021

Summary

• 2,768 new cases of COVID-19 reported [+309; up from 2,581 a week ago]
• 41,556 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [+20,524]
  • 7.1% of these were positive [-5.3%]
• 26 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [+2]
• 51 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+5]
• 890 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+21]
• 4,294,116 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination and 3,883,886 have received their second dose [+2,466; +2,142]

[redjambo]

Today's trend stats:

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	WHO		Today	Yesterday			18 Oct	17 Oct	16 Oct	15 Oct	14 Oct	...	1 Oct
Scotland	4		331	327	+4		317	319	313	310	308	...	345
Clackmannanshire	4		521	511	+10		489	448	417	392	322	...	328
West Lothian	4		476	467	+9		448	459	455	431	433	...	504
Falkirk	4		463	451	+12		429	401	371	354	362	...	421
Stirling	4		461	462	-1		464	478	502	495	479	...	366
East Ayrshire	4		444	415	+29		413	388	368	351	368	...	440
Fife	4		442	439	+3		428	426	412	401	392	...	407
South Lanarkshire	4		399	392	+7		360	359	338	332	321	...	382
East Dunbartonshire	4		394	392	+2		351	334	341	302	295	...	382
North Lanarkshire	4		387	383	+4		356	347	342	352	351	...	442
Scottish Borders	4		359	364	-5		342	342	326	313	305	...	188
North Ayrshire	4		355	356	-1		349	342	349	343	346	...	441
Dundee City	4		354	367	-13		370	380	392	399	408	...	427
Aberdeenshire	4		352	355	-3		356	382	383	392	377	...	339
East Renfrewshire	4		350	352	-2		344	356	356	383	380	...	354
Renfrewshire	4		345	353	-8		348	351	343	336	332	...	371
Moray	4		332	320	+12		323	322	332	329	319	...	231
Angus	4		331	341	-10		339	338	309	310	308	...	234
South Ayrshire	4		310	298	+12		292	287	273	261	234	...	541
West Dunbartonshire	4		303	310	-7		294	288	298	297	292	...	437
East Lothian	4	214	301	318	-17		325	329	306	306	301	...	265
Argyll & Bute	4		277	273	+4		248	250	249	241	250	...	304
Aberdeen City	4		268	262	+6		257	261	262	269	253	...	292
Inverclyde	4		267	234	+33		232	230	230	223	239	...	365
Perth & Kinross	4		263	266	-3		251	278	259	254	253	...	304
Dumfries & Galloway	4		260	243	+17		228	247	239	246	266	...	361
Midlothian	4		249	263	-14		257	267	269	267	264	...	327
Glasgow City	4		248	243	+5		236	237	238	242	251	...	328
Edinburgh City	4		233	235	-2		240	249	251	244	240	...	238
Highland	4	211	232	214	+18		209	215	207	215	220	...	168
Na h-Eileanan Siar	4		208	185	+23		155	140	151	136	151	...	234
Orkney Islands	3		125	125	0		116	103	103	85	71	...	85
Shetlands	3		79	70	+9		83	92	83	83	87	...	70
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			18 Oct	17 Oct	16 Oct	15 Oct	14 Oct	...	1 Oct
Tests			30772	29939	+833		29705	29865	30076	30497	30548	...	35457
Cases			2581	2555	+26		2476	2491	2447	2424	2405	...	2694
Positivity rate %			8.9	9.0	-0.1		8.8	8.8	8.7	8.5	8.4	...	8.2
Deaths			19	20	-1		20	20	20	20	17	...	19
All Vaccinations			5603	5895	-292		6181	6890	7451	7757	8099	...	6572
1st Dose			3427	3699	-272		3999	4611	5147	5422	5733	...	3705
2nd Dose			2176	2196	-20		2182	2279	2304	2335	2366	...	2867
All in hospital			864	868	-4		877	888	903	918	932	...	1009
Non-ICU			817	821	-4		829	839	852	865	877	...	935
ICU			47	47	0		48	49	51	53	55	...	74

[frankblack]

11 minutes ago, redjambo said:

Today's trend stats:

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	WHO		Today	Yesterday			18 Oct	17 Oct	16 Oct	15 Oct	14 Oct	...	1 Oct
Scotland	4		331	327	+4		317	319	313	310	308	...	345
Clackmannanshire	4		521	511	+10		489	448	417	392	322	...	328
West Lothian	4		476	467	+9		448	459	455	431	433	...	504
Falkirk	4		463	451	+12		429	401	371	354	362	...	421
Stirling	4		461	462	-1		464	478	502	495	479	...	366
East Ayrshire	4		444	415	+29		413	388	368	351	368	...	440
Fife	4		442	439	+3		428	426	412	401	392	...	407
South Lanarkshire	4		399	392	+7		360	359	338	332	321	...	382
East Dunbartonshire	4		394	392	+2		351	334	341	302	295	...	382
North Lanarkshire	4		387	383	+4		356	347	342	352	351	...	442
Scottish Borders	4		359	364	-5		342	342	326	313	305	...	188
North Ayrshire	4		355	356	-1		349	342	349	343	346	...	441
Dundee City	4		354	367	-13		370	380	392	399	408	...	427
Aberdeenshire	4		352	355	-3		356	382	383	392	377	...	339
East Renfrewshire	4		350	352	-2		344	356	356	383	380	...	354
Renfrewshire	4		345	353	-8		348	351	343	336	332	...	371
Moray	4		332	320	+12		323	322	332	329	319	...	231
Angus	4		331	341	-10		339	338	309	310	308	...	234
South Ayrshire	4		310	298	+12		292	287	273	261	234	...	541
West Dunbartonshire	4		303	310	-7		294	288	298	297	292	...	437
East Lothian	4	214	301	318	-17		325	329	306	306	301	...	265
Argyll & Bute	4		277	273	+4		248	250	249	241	250	...	304
Aberdeen City	4		268	262	+6		257	261	262	269	253	...	292
Inverclyde	4		267	234	+33		232	230	230	223	239	...	365
Perth & Kinross	4		263	266	-3		251	278	259	254	253	...	304
Dumfries & Galloway	4		260	243	+17		228	247	239	246	266	...	361
Midlothian	4		249	263	-14		257	267	269	267	264	...	327
Glasgow City	4		248	243	+5		236	237	238	242	251	...	328
Edinburgh City	4		233	235	-2		240	249	251	244	240	...	238
Highland	4	211	232	214	+18		209	215	207	215	220	...	168
Na h-Eileanan Siar	4		208	185	+23		155	140	151	136	151	...	234
Orkney Islands	3		125	125	0		116	103	103	85	71	...	85
Shetlands	3		79	70	+9		83	92	83	83	87	...	70
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			18 Oct	17 Oct	16 Oct	15 Oct	14 Oct	...	1 Oct
Tests			30772	29939	+833		29705	29865	30076	30497	30548	...	35457
Cases			2581	2555	+26		2476	2491	2447	2424	2405	...	2694
Positivity rate %			8.9	9.0	-0.1		8.8	8.8	8.7	8.5	8.4	...	8.2
Deaths			19	20	-1		20	20	20	20	17	...	19
All Vaccinations			5603	5895	-292		6181	6890	7451	7757	8099	...	6572
1st Dose			3427	3699	-272		3999	4611	5147	5422	5733	...	3705
2nd Dose			2176	2196	-20		2182	2279	2304	2335	2366	...	2867
All in hospital			864	868	-4		877	888	903	918	932	...	1009
Non-ICU			817	821	-4		829	839	852	865	877	...	935
ICU			47	47	0		48	49	51	53	55	...	74

 

👍

[manaliveits105]

[Nucky Thompson]

42,902 first doses and 32,767 second doses done in the UK yesterday.

That seems a wee bit higher. There was only 16k of each the other day

[Boab]

Just now, jonesy said:

I'd imagine a lot of the thinking was along the lines of 'give them the summer and autumn' to feel like things are open and free but then have something in place for winter when things are more likely to go tits up anyway. Reintroduction of some rules in England and probably a tightening of things in Scotland was always on the cards from about November onwards. The 'mood music' in the media is usually a bit of a giveaway.

The argument is, was this spike avoidable ?

Some blokes on the box seem to think so.

Pretty difficult to be sure of course. 

The fact some countries are now banning flights from the UK is a bad sign. These things usually snowball.

[frankblack]

6 minutes ago, jonesy said:

I'd imagine a lot of the thinking was along the lines of 'give them the summer and autumn' to feel like things are open and free but then have something in place for winter when things are more likely to go tits up anyway. Reintroduction of some rules in England and probably a tightening of things in Scotland was always on the cards from about November onwards. The 'mood music' in the media is usually a bit of a giveaway.

 

The "mood music" is the MPs leaking advance warning of the changes so the politicians don't look as bad.

[Don Dan]

At-home Covid pills for Brits to take from next month: Sajid Javid reveals No10 has bought 'game-changing' anti-viral made by pharmaceutical giant Merck and batch of experimental Pfizer drug
 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10112061/Sajid-Javid-reveals-No10-bought-game-changing-anti-viral-pharmaceutical-giant-Merck.html

 

Good News.

[frankblack]

4 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

At-home Covid pills for Brits to take from next month: Sajid Javid reveals No10 has bought 'game-changing' anti-viral made by pharmaceutical giant Merck and batch of experimental Pfizer drug
 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10112061/Sajid-Javid-reveals-No10-bought-game-changing-anti-viral-pharmaceutical-giant-Merck.html

 

Good News.

 

👍

[JudyJudyJudy]

19 minutes ago, jonesy said:

I'd imagine a lot of the thinking was along the lines of 'give them the summer and autumn' to feel like things are open and free but then have something in place for winter when things are more likely to go tits up anyway. Reintroduction of some rules in England and probably a tightening of things in Scotland was always on the cards from about November onwards. The 'mood music' in the media is usually a bit of a giveaway.

I do wonder if it’s the virulent media craving for restrictions to be reinstated and not the other way ? 

13 minutes ago, Boab said:

The argument is, was this spike avoidable ?

Some blokes on the box seem to think so.

Pretty difficult to be sure of course. 

The fact some countries are now banning flights from the UK is a bad sign. These things usually snowball.

It’s a virus . It’s unavoidable 

7 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

At-home Covid pills for Brits to take from next month: Sajid Javid reveals No10 has bought 'game-changing' anti-viral made by pharmaceutical giant Merck and batch of experimental Pfizer drug
 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10112061/Sajid-Javid-reveals-No10-bought-game-changing-anti-viral-pharmaceutical-giant-Merck.html

 

Good News.

Oh wee Nicky won’t be happy . U.K. once again leading the way with this . Her strategy is so punitive and clearly doesn’t work .,

[JudyJudyJudy]

21 minutes ago, Boab said:

The argument is, was this spike avoidable ?

Some blokes on the box seem to think so.

Pretty difficult to be sure of course. 

The fact some countries are now banning flights from the UK is a bad sign. These things usually snowball.

I’m just glad I’m a half glass full type of person really . 

Edited October 20, 2021 by JamesM48

[Victorian]

The Merck antiviral costs £500 for a course.  So I dare say it wont be handed out freely.

 

 

[Nucky Thompson]

2 minutes ago, Victorian said:

The Merck antiviral costs £500 for a course.  So I dare say it wont be handed out freely.

 

 

They've secured hundreds of thousands of doses.

[Konrad von Carstein]

5 minutes ago, Victorian said:

The Merck antiviral costs £500 for a course.  So I dare say it wont be handed out freely.

 

 

Correct, they've ordered 480,000 of the things, don't think that can be termed as a game changer...so "wee nicky" will remain happy 🙄🤣

Edited October 20, 2021 by Konrad von Carstein

[Nucky Thompson]

The press conference is more about vaccines and treatments. No plans for plan B in England yet

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, Nucky Thompson said:

They've secured hundreds of thousands of doses.

 

They have.  It needs to be taken soon after symptoms start to show so it would seem to be best placed to be already stored in the home by identified high risk people.  Otherwise there would need to be a reliable system of getting it out quickly to people.

[Taffin]

When all restrictions where lifted in England it was against the backdrop of the scare monger in chief saying it was inevitable we'd have 100k cases by mid September. We haven't. So unless/until we breach that, then what's the problem? It was okay then, so surely it's okay now?

 

Also, why is the younger age groups lack of vaccination an issue? Or are they now being hospitalised at a sufficient rate that it's putting pressure on the NHS?

[Nucky Thompson]

1 minute ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

Correct, they've ordered 480,000 of the things, don't think that can be termed as a game changer...so "wee nicky" will remain happy 🙄🤣

Not everyone who gets sick with covid will need a dose.

 

Scotland will get its fair share of doses too

[Victorian]

2 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

The press conference is more about vaccines and treatments. No plans for plan B in England yet

 

Between the lines though,  it's coming imo.  They just want to avoid the appearance of being bounced into it.

[Don Dan]

So there two new antiviral drugs becoming available. Good news even at the cost which will reduce as time goes by and even quicker if other countries start ordering them. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 minutes ago, Taffin said:

When all restrictions where lifted in England it was against the backdrop of the scare monger in chief saying it was inevitable we'd have 100k cases by mid September. We haven't. So unless/until we breach that, then what's the problem? It was okay then, so surely it's okay now?

 

Also, why is the younger age groups lack of vaccination an issue? Or are they now being hospitalised at a sufficient rate that it's putting pressure on the NHS?

It’s the media clamouring for restrictions as per usual 

[Don Dan]

6 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Otherwise there would need to be a reliable system of getting it out quickly to people.

Test positive prescription gets sent to the chemist or storage facility and is then delivered to your home. 
if your in hospital and diagnosed with Covid the hospital pharmacy issues the drug. 
 

Edited October 20, 2021 by Boy Daniel
Predictive spelling correction

[Victorian]

Just now, Boy Daniel said:

Test positive perception gets sent to the chemist or storage facility and is the delivered to your home. 
if your in hospital and diagnosed with Covid the hospital pharmacy issues the drug. 
 

 

Reliable is very much the key part.  Hopefully a tad more reliable than some other things,  such as our test and trace fiasco.

[JudyJudyJudy]

6 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Not everyone who gets sick with covid will need a dose.

 

Scotland will get its fair share of doses too

The most vulnerable ie the vulnerable double vaccinated will Be near top of the list , just  below those who can’t get the vaccine due to variety of reasons . 

Edited October 20, 2021 by JamesM48

[Victorian]

Just now, jonnothejambo said:

 

That's my take on it too. 

 

Setting the scene with the slides for restrictions in Winter.

 

Without much doubt.  They need the appearance of being in full control.  They'll push the button soon on mandated face coverings and u-turn on home working.  

[Taffin]

Does anyone know how much they've scaled the NHS capacity up by since last year to deal with this winter?