Nucky Thompson Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 I was reading an article in The Telegraph that says cloth face masks are nothing more than a comfort blanket and virus particles are 5000 times smaller than the spaces in the material. It seems like the wee piggies are building straw houses to keep out the big, bad wolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: I was reading an article in The Telegraph that says cloth face masks are nothing more than a comfort blanket and virus particles are 5000 times smaller than the spaces in the material. It seems like the wee piggies are building straw houses to keep out the big, bad wolf Well yeah, but they're not flying about, freely roaming the world, they're in much bigger vapour droplets and the like. Wouldn't expect the torygraph to point that out right enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 17 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: I was reading an article in The Telegraph that says cloth face masks are nothing more than a comfort blanket and virus particles are 5000 times smaller than the spaces in the material. It seems like the wee piggies are building straw houses to keep out the big, bad wolf If you’re sticking to your principles I hope if unfortunately you ever have to go for surgery you demand everyone in the theatre removes their mask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) Me, wife and two kids took PCR home tests on Sunday as we’d all developed a cough. Results back Tuesday and all negative. My cough got worse so went to a drive thru centre and did PCR test Wed lunchtime. Got really ill Wed night with 40.1°C fever, shivering with cold, struggling slightly to breathe and lost feeling in fingers on left hand. Took two lateral flow tests and both negative. PCR result came back positive Thurs morning. Did another lateral flow test which was negative. All four of us went to drive thru centre yesterday and did PCRs. Mine came back positive again and wife and kids negative. Today my breathing and temp is fine but have developed spots and sores all over my hands, calluses on my fingertips and my mouth feels like broken glass. Three morals to this story: 1. Lateral flow tests are useless 2. Beware lesser known Covid side effects 3. Get yourself vaccinated if you can. Was very scary on Wednesday night and thank goodness I had the vaccine antibodies there helping fighting it. Edited October 22, 2021 by Alex Kintner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Des Lynam said: If you’re sticking to your principles I hope if unfortunately you ever have to go for surgery you demand everyone in the theatre removes their mask. I doubt very much that the surgeons will be wearing cloth face coverings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Apparently there has been progress in the research into how to remedy long covid. Research has suggested that many chronic symptoms are caused by blood clots that have proved to be difficult to eliminate with pharmaceutical anti-coagulation. Seemingly some people have responded promisingly to a dialysis-like blood filtering treatment. There will be lots of people praying this arrives to help them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Just a friendly reminder . Have a great weekend 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henryheart Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Nucky Thompson said: I was reading an article in The Telegraph that says cloth face masks are nothing more than a comfort blanket and virus particles are 5000 times smaller than the spaces in the material. It seems like the wee piggies are building straw houses to keep out the big, bad wolf 1 hour ago, Des Lynam said: If you’re sticking to your principles I hope if unfortunately you ever have to go for surgery you demand everyone in the theatre removes their mask. I think you will find that the masks being worn are most likely at a minimum FFP2 or N95 standard as recommended by the WHO. Interestingly, there are some European countries that require FFP2 masks to be worn on public transport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Dave Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Alex Kintner said: Me, wife and two kids took PCR home tests on Sunday as we’d all developed a cough. Results back Tuesday and all negative. My cough got worse so went to a drive thru centre and did PCR test Wed lunchtime. Got really ill Wed night with 40.1°C fever, shivering with cold, struggling slightly to breathe and lost feeling in fingers on left hand. Took two lateral flow tests and both negative. PCR result came back positive Thurs morning. Did another lateral flow test which was negative. All four of us went to drive thru centre yesterday and did PCRs. Mine came back positive again and wife and kids negative. Today my breathing and temp is fine but have developed spots and sores all over my hands, calluses on my fingertips and my mouth feels like broken glass. Three morals to this story: 1. Lateral flow tests are useless 2. Beware lesser known Covid side effects 3. Get yourself vaccinated if you can. Was very scary on Wednesday night and thank goodness I had the vaccine antibodies there helping fighting it. Same story here re your first point. I tested positive on Monday, wife and kids all negative. My wife has had the third jab (NHS nurse) so guessing that has protected her, not sure how the kids have dodged it but staying out their way as much as I can. Symptoms started on Wednesday (mainly fever and aches) and I’ve been doing lateral flow tests every day just to see how accurate they are….. all have come back negative which confirms they aren’t worth much, certainly in the first few days of being symptomatic anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, Disco Dave said: Same story here re your first point. I tested positive on Monday, wife and kids all negative. My wife has had the third jab (NHS nurse) so guessing that has protected her, not sure how the kids have dodged it but staying out their way as much as I can. Symptoms started on Wednesday (mainly fever and aches) and I’ve been doing lateral flow tests every day just to see how accurate they are….. all have come back negative which confirms they aren’t worth much, certainly in the first few days of being symptomatic anyway. Do you have any cold like symptoms? The reason I ask is that I've felt like shit for a few days now, no energy whatsoever and sleeping for Scotland. The LF test is negative and I don't have any cold like symptoms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Dave Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: Do you have any cold like symptoms? The reason I ask is that I've felt like shit for a few days now, no energy whatsoever and sleeping for Scotland. The LF test is negative and I don't have any cold like symptoms No, I think the symptoms can vary greatly person to person though. I am feeling tired but I’ve not slept well at all the past two nights If in doubt, get a PCR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, Disco Dave said: No, I think the symptoms can vary greatly person to person though. I am feeling tired but I’ve not slept well at all the past two nights If in doubt, get a PCR. I think I will book a PCR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 15 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: I think I will book a PCR Definitely do mate. 👍🏻 Go to a drive-thru if you can. Results within 24 hours and no waiting for the test to arrive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Shows (presumably) the effectiveness of the vaccine, but also why I'm struggling to understand the focus on cases or the fear. The trajectory is a million miles away from before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 14 minutes ago, Taffin said: Shows (presumably) the effectiveness of the vaccine, but also why I'm struggling to understand the focus on cases or the fear. The trajectory is a million miles away from before. Media mass hysteria as usual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Dave Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Disco Dave said: Same story here re your first point. I tested positive on Monday, wife and kids all negative. My wife has had the third jab (NHS nurse) so guessing that has protected her, not sure how the kids have dodged it but staying out their way as much as I can. Symptoms started on Wednesday (mainly fever and aches) and I’ve been doing lateral flow tests every day just to see how accurate they are….. all have come back negative which confirms they aren’t worth much, certainly in the first few days of being symptomatic anyway. Update - Just did another LFT and now showing positive. Still, I could have been unwittingly spreading it for 5 days had I not done a PCR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Taffin said: Shows (presumably) the effectiveness of the vaccine, but also why I'm struggling to understand the focus on cases or the fear. The trajectory is a million miles away from before. The concern is the rate of a +1000 rise in hospitalisations in a week. This can't be sustained for very long until we're back where we were during the first lockdown. It stands to reason that unless the cases stop rising at the same rate, that +1000 rate isn't going to slow down, it's going to speed up. Edited October 22, 2021 by Ray Gin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 17 minutes ago, Taffin said: Shows (presumably) the effectiveness of the vaccine, but also why I'm struggling to understand the focus on cases or the fear. The trajectory is a million miles away from before. I think the concerns are well founded. All of the professionals haven't only warned that the government needs to mitigate against known factors, but more importantly they've called for mitigation against risk. To reduce the risk of an unsustainable situation. This is where people tend to miss the point that health professionals make. Are things unsustainable? No. Are things certain to become unsustainable? No. Can it become unsustainable? Maybe, but that's more subjective. Should we put more insurance in place to lessen the risk? Again subjective. One good thing that I (think) I see in those graphs is that the dynamic between cases and hospitalisations seems to have remained very similar between the early summer spike and this current spike. To me that tends to indicate that protection against acute illness has not waned as much as is frequently theorised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Scottish numbers: 22 October 2021 Summary 2,902 new cases of COVID-19 reported [+547; up from 2,762 a week ago] 35,188 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [+1,447] 8.8% of these were positive [+1.4%] 19 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [-13] 60 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+2] 894 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-23] 4,299,649 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination and 3,888,408 have received their second dose [+2,621; +2,232] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Victorian said: I think the concerns are well founded. All of the professionals haven't only warned that the government needs to mitigate against known factors, but more importantly they've called for mitigation against risk. To reduce the risk of an unsustainable situation. This is where people tend to miss the point that health professionals make. Are things unsustainable? No. Are things certain to become unsustainable? No. Can it become unsustainable? Maybe, but that's more subjective. Should we put more insurance in place to lessen the risk? Again subjective. Fair post. It comes back to, for me though, if you mitigate now, you'll be mitigating forever. The vaccines were the end game, they work. You don't wear a crash helmet incase you trip on the stairs...even though it would prevent head injuries. Another mitigation would have been to scale up your resources, yet by the sounds of it they haven't done that. There's more than one way of skinning a cat. Quote One good thing that I (think) I see in those graphs is that the dynamic between cases and hospitalisations seems to have remained very similar between the early summer spike and this current spike. To me that tends to indicate that protection against acute illness has not waned as much as is frequently theorised. I can only see it as a very positive thing being honest. Whilst imo it's all been a bit dramatic I appreciate that others have a very different opinion...now though, I'm struggling to see how anyone could look at those figures and think, yes we need plan b...but I'm aware that they do. Edited October 22, 2021 by Taffin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Taffin said: Fair post. It comes back to, for me though, if you mitigate now, you'll be mitigating forever. The vaccines were the end game, they work. You don't wear a crash helmet incase you trip on the stairs...even though it would prevent head injuries. I can only see it as a very positive thing being honest. Whilst imo it's all been a bit dramatic I appreciate that others have a very different opinion...now though, I'm struggling to see how anyone could look at those figures and think, yes we need plan b...but I'm aware that they do. It's a good point and not easy to see when and how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 7-day per-100,000 cases Council Area WHO Today Yesterday 20 Oct 19 Oct 18 Oct 17 Oct 16 Oct ... 1 Oct Scotland 4 328 325 +3 331 327 317 319 313 ... 345 Clackmannanshire 4 558 556 +2 521 511 489 448 417 ... 328 West Lothian 4 502 487 +15 476 467 448 459 455 ... 504 Stirling 4 476 461 +15 461 462 464 478 502 ... 366 East Ayrshire 4 456 436 +20 444 415 413 388 368 ... 440 Fife 4 443 438 +5 442 439 428 426 412 ... 407 Falkirk 4 434 443 -9 463 451 429 401 371 ... 421 East Dunbartonshire 4 407 396 +11 394 392 351 334 341 ... 382 North Lanarkshire 4 390 384 +6 387 383 356 347 342 ... 442 South Lanarkshire 4 387 395 -8 399 392 360 359 338 ... 382 Scottish Borders 4 366 372 -6 359 364 342 342 326 ... 188 Dundee City 4 341 342 -1 354 367 370 380 392 ... 427 East Renfrewshire 4 335 326 +9 350 352 344 356 356 ... 354 Angus 4 328 321 +7 331 341 339 338 309 ... 234 North Ayrshire 4 328 348 -20 355 356 349 342 349 ... 441 Renfrewshire 4 323 313 +10 345 353 348 351 343 ... 371 South Ayrshire 4 317 324 -7 310 298 292 287 273 ... 541 Aberdeenshire 4 314 329 -15 352 355 356 382 383 ... 339 East Lothian 4 214 313 306 +7 301 318 325 329 306 ... 265 Perth & Kinross 4 310 283 +27 263 266 251 278 259 ... 304 West Dunbartonshire 4 305 293 +12 303 310 294 288 298 ... 437 Inverclyde 4 292 284 +8 267 234 232 230 230 ... 365 Argyll & Bute 4 286 273 +13 277 273 248 250 249 ... 304 Moray 4 276 302 -26 332 320 323 322 332 ... 231 Dumfries & Galloway 4 273 260 +13 260 243 228 247 239 ... 361 Na h-Eileanan Siar 4 264 223 +41 208 185 155 140 151 ... 234 Highland 4 211 248 232 +16 232 214 209 215 207 ... 168 Aberdeen City 4 244 260 -16 268 262 257 261 262 ... 292 Glasgow City 4 243 236 +7 248 243 236 237 238 ... 328 Edinburgh City 4 232 234 -2 233 235 240 249 251 ... 238 Midlothian 4 225 221 +4 249 263 257 267 269 ... 327 Orkney Islands 3 112 121 -9 125 125 116 103 103 ... 85 Shetland Islands 3 74 92 -18 79 70 83 92 83 ... 70 7-day averages Today Yesterday 20 Oct 19 Oct 18 Oct 17 Oct 16 Oct ... 1 Oct Tests 29794 29844 -50 30772 29939 29705 29865 30076 ... 35457 Cases 2561 2541 +20 2581 2555 2476 2491 2447 ... 2694 Positivity rate % 9.1 9.0 +0.1 8.9 9.0 8.8 8.8 8.7 ... 8.2 Deaths 18 20 -2 19 20 20 20 20 ... 19 All Vaccinations 5047 5227 -180 5603 5895 6181 6890 7451 ... 6572 1st Dose 2959 3117 -158 3427 3699 3999 4611 5147 ... 3705 2nd Dose 2088 2110 -22 2176 2196 2182 2279 2304 ... 2867 All in hospital 871 865 +6 864 868 877 888 903 ... 1009 Non-ICU 821 817 +4 817 821 829 839 852 ... 935 ICU 50 48 +2 47 47 48 49 51 ... 74 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 On the vaccination front, Scotland has now given first doses to more than 50% in the 12-15 age range. If we can match the current 74.5% of 16-17 year olds with a first dose, then I think it will go a long way to suppressing any "casedemic" in the next few months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 54 minutes ago, redjambo said: 7-day per-100,000 cases Council Area WHO Today Yesterday 20 Oct 19 Oct 18 Oct 17 Oct 16 Oct ... 1 Oct Scotland 4 328 325 +3 331 327 317 319 313 ... 345 Clackmannanshire 4 558 556 +2 521 511 489 448 417 ... 328 West Lothian 4 502 487 +15 476 467 448 459 455 ... 504 Stirling 4 476 461 +15 461 462 464 478 502 ... 366 East Ayrshire 4 456 436 +20 444 415 413 388 368 ... 440 Fife 4 443 438 +5 442 439 428 426 412 ... 407 Falkirk 4 434 443 -9 463 451 429 401 371 ... 421 East Dunbartonshire 4 407 396 +11 394 392 351 334 341 ... 382 North Lanarkshire 4 390 384 +6 387 383 356 347 342 ... 442 South Lanarkshire 4 387 395 -8 399 392 360 359 338 ... 382 Scottish Borders 4 366 372 -6 359 364 342 342 326 ... 188 Dundee City 4 341 342 -1 354 367 370 380 392 ... 427 East Renfrewshire 4 335 326 +9 350 352 344 356 356 ... 354 Angus 4 328 321 +7 331 341 339 338 309 ... 234 North Ayrshire 4 328 348 -20 355 356 349 342 349 ... 441 Renfrewshire 4 323 313 +10 345 353 348 351 343 ... 371 South Ayrshire 4 317 324 -7 310 298 292 287 273 ... 541 Aberdeenshire 4 314 329 -15 352 355 356 382 383 ... 339 East Lothian 4 214 313 306 +7 301 318 325 329 306 ... 265 Perth & Kinross 4 310 283 +27 263 266 251 278 259 ... 304 West Dunbartonshire 4 305 293 +12 303 310 294 288 298 ... 437 Inverclyde 4 292 284 +8 267 234 232 230 230 ... 365 Argyll & Bute 4 286 273 +13 277 273 248 250 249 ... 304 Moray 4 276 302 -26 332 320 323 322 332 ... 231 Dumfries & Galloway 4 273 260 +13 260 243 228 247 239 ... 361 Na h-Eileanan Siar 4 264 223 +41 208 185 155 140 151 ... 234 Highland 4 211 248 232 +16 232 214 209 215 207 ... 168 Aberdeen City 4 244 260 -16 268 262 257 261 262 ... 292 Glasgow City 4 243 236 +7 248 243 236 237 238 ... 328 Edinburgh City 4 232 234 -2 233 235 240 249 251 ... 238 Midlothian 4 225 221 +4 249 263 257 267 269 ... 327 Orkney Islands 3 112 121 -9 125 125 116 103 103 ... 85 Shetland Islands 3 74 92 -18 79 70 83 92 83 ... 70 7-day averages Today Yesterday 20 Oct 19 Oct 18 Oct 17 Oct 16 Oct ... 1 Oct Tests 29794 29844 -50 30772 29939 29705 29865 30076 ... 35457 Cases 2561 2541 +20 2581 2555 2476 2491 2447 ... 2694 Positivity rate % 9.1 9.0 +0.1 8.9 9.0 8.8 8.8 8.7 ... 8.2 Deaths 18 20 -2 19 20 20 20 20 ... 19 All Vaccinations 5047 5227 -180 5603 5895 6181 6890 7451 ... 6572 1st Dose 2959 3117 -158 3427 3699 3999 4611 5147 ... 3705 2nd Dose 2088 2110 -22 2176 2196 2182 2279 2304 ... 2867 All in hospital 871 865 +6 864 868 877 888 903 ... 1009 Non-ICU 821 817 +4 817 821 829 839 852 ... 935 ICU 50 48 +2 47 47 48 49 51 ... 74 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzroy Pointon Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 I hear England are discussing brining in restrictions again in the winter. The only good thing about it is I have already seen the "can't wait for 2022" posts on Facebook surfacing over the past week. It ain't goin' away kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Unknown user Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 22 minutes ago, Salad Fingers said: I hear England are discussing brining in restrictions again in the winter. The only good thing about it is I have already seen the "can't wait for 2022" posts on Facebook surfacing over the past week. It ain't goin' away kids. Whatever happens, we can at least be sure that Nicky the plucky wee underdog will deal with it better than that big arsehole Boris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joondalupjambo Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 No wonder these vaccine rollouts are slow. Today got a Jag. Sat down beside the nurse. Hold on she says just waiting for my colleague to come and interview you. Colleague name, address dob, etc. Thanks. This is nurse Bella she will now administer the vaccine do you have a problem with that, can you please give your consent. Eh? Aye stick in hen. Nurse Bella, thanks. Name, address, dob etc. WTF Honestly the admin overhead was mental. Last time it was just a case of hi son roll up your sleeve after the nurse took my details. In and out in literally 5 minutes. Don't start me on the old folk that were there. After having to go through all the same as me of course they each then decide to take off the seven layers of clothing they had on. 15 minutes later, right hen that is me ready now. Nobody can blame any Politicians for this. 😃😃😃😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 44 minutes ago, Salad Fingers said: I hear England are discussing brining in restrictions again in the winter. The only good thing about it is I have already seen the "can't wait for 2022" posts on Facebook surfacing over the past week. It ain't goin' away kids. Who's discussing it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzroy Pointon Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 12 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: Who's discussing it? Health ministers? Cabinet members? I don't know, it was on the the news. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59011321 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Ray Gin said: The concern is the rate of a +1000 rise in hospitalisations in a week. This can't be sustained for very long until we're back where we were during the first lockdown. It stands to reason that unless the cases stop rising at the same rate, that +1000 rate isn't going to slow down, it's going to speed up. No potential for exponential growth now. That's the big difference. The virus hits a wall of immunity at every turn. The argument about "continuing at the same rate" doesn't apply now. Those that were most vulnerable have a reduced hospitalisation risk of 90% and will shortly receive a further boost. This week has seen, not unexpectedly, another bout of media and scientific hysteria. Cases will fall, as they did in Israel, when the booster effect kicks in and the vaccinated cohort increases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 54 minutes ago, Salad Fingers said: I hear England are discussing brining in restrictions again in the winter. The only good thing about it is I have already seen the "can't wait for 2022" posts on Facebook surfacing over the past week. It ain't goin' away kids. I had a look to see what the discussions were and it seems Boris was asked to rule out a Winter shutdown by a journalist, to which he replied 'we see absolutely nothing to indicate that's on the cards at all' So I suppose 'England' were discussing Winter restrictions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 6 hours ago, Alex Kintner said: Me, wife and two kids took PCR home tests on Sunday as we’d all developed a cough. Results back Tuesday and all negative. My cough got worse so went to a drive thru centre and did PCR test Wed lunchtime. Got really ill Wed night with 40.1°C fever, shivering with cold, struggling slightly to breathe and lost feeling in fingers on left hand. Took two lateral flow tests and both negative. PCR result came back positive Thurs morning. Did another lateral flow test which was negative. All four of us went to drive thru centre yesterday and did PCRs. Mine came back positive again and wife and kids negative. Today my breathing and temp is fine but have developed spots and sores all over my hands, calluses on my fingertips and my mouth feels like broken glass. Three morals to this story: 1. Lateral flow tests are useless 2. Beware lesser known Covid side effects 3. Get yourself vaccinated if you can. Was very scary on Wednesday night and thank goodness I had the vaccine antibodies there helping fighting it. Ignore the part about bizarre symptoms. Turns out I’ve gone and caught bloody Hand, Foot and Mouth at the same time as Covid 😳🙈 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzroy Pointon Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: I had a look to see what the discussions were and it seems Boris was asked to rule out a Winter shutdown by a journalist, to which he replied 'we see absolutely nothing to indicate that's on the cards at all' So I suppose 'England' were discussing Winter restrictions That's the way they worded it on the news. It was Radio 6 so just probably the same across all channels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 9 minutes ago, Alex Kintner said: Ignore the part about bizarre symptoms. Turns out I’ve gone and caught bloody Hand, Foot and Mouth at the same time as Covid 😳🙈 I've had that, quarantine as I remember funnily enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 21 hours ago, Victorian said: More on the boosters. Leitch said the other day that the over 80s were done. He had to admit he made an arse of it and seems to have suggested that care homes have been done. Wrong again. He also now says that the qualifying people (over 80s and others) will be done by mid November. In the community, I know of an infirm 93 year old who has heard nothing. They phoned the helpline today and were told there was nothing available for the next 2 months. The GP has already said that they will not be involved. I'll be phoning the local MSP about this very soon. An omni-shambles. They should get the army to help again (unless they are already too busy driving ambulances and HGVs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 My big sister, brother in law and their youngest son have covid. Shiting mafeckingsel. Hate this fecking thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) Some rough calculations re the boosters in Scotland: No of over 50s who received a 2nd dose - 2.17m No of U50s in frontline Health & Care - 330k (guesstimate for ease of calculation) Total to be given boosters - 2.5m Boosters given to date - 430k Still to be jabbed - 2.07m Current booster jab rate - 170k a week Weeks to complete programme - 12 weeks. Estimated end date - 14 January (12 weeks from today) Edited October 22, 2021 by Footballfirst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 hour ago, joondalupjambo said: No wonder these vaccine rollouts are slow. Today got a Jag. Sat down beside the nurse. Hold on she says just waiting for my colleague to come and interview you. Colleague name, address dob, etc. Thanks. This is nurse Bella she will now administer the vaccine do you have a problem with that, can you please give your consent. Eh? Aye stick in hen. Nurse Bella, thanks. Name, address, dob etc. WTF Honestly the admin overhead was mental. Last time it was just a case of hi son roll up your sleeve after the nurse took my details. In and out in literally 5 minutes. Don't start me on the old folk that were there. After having to go through all the same as me of course they each then decide to take off the seven layers of clothing they had on. 15 minutes later, right hen that is me ready now. Nobody can blame any Politicians for this. 😃😃😃😃 In Turkey I was in the door 10 seconds and I was done. Here I had to listen to the side effects and confirm my details but it was probably only a couple of minutes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CavySlaveJambo Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 11 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: Some rough calculations re the boosters in Scotland: No of over 50s who received a 2nd dose - 2.17m No of U50s in frontline Health & Care - 330k (guesstimate for ease of calculation) Total to be given boosters - 2.5m Boosters given to date - 430k Still to be jabbed - 2.07m Current booster jab rate - 170k a week Weeks to complete programme - 12 weeks. Estimated end date - 14 January (12 weeks from today) I am assuming that includes those under 50 in group 6, and the CEV group who got a third primary jab? The CEV group is at the front of the queue AFAIK so not sure how things should work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Reynolds Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Alex Kintner said: Ignore the part about bizarre symptoms. Turns out I’ve gone and caught bloody Hand, Foot and Mouth at the same time as Covid 😳🙈 Jeezo. Hope you're on the mend though! That sounds rough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 13 minutes ago, CavySlaveJambo said: I am assuming that includes those under 50 in group 6, and the CEV group who got a third primary jab? The CEV group is at the front of the queue AFAIK so not sure how things should work. 31k in the CEV group have already received 3rd doses. It's not clear from the stats if that 31k is included in the 430k "boosters" figure. Public Health England certainly records the number of 3rd doses separately from the booster programme and also provides an age group breakdown for the latter. I'd expect that Scotland will start providing more granular detail on the booster programme in the next week or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 19 minutes ago, LMc said: Jeezo. Hope you're on the mend though! That sounds rough! It's the human version of foot and mouth that knacked all the cows. I was in quarantine for 2 weeks IIRC but I felt great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 3 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said: Who's discussing it? The mass media stirring the pot , making a mountain out of a mole hill and Joe public started to shit himself and then starts clamouring for restrictions ! 2 hours ago, kila said: They should get the army to help again (unless they are already too busy driving ambulances and HGVs) Yes please ! 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said: Who's discussing it? The mass media stirring the pot , making a mountain out of a mole hill and Joe public started to shit himself and then starts clamouring for restrictions ! 2 hours ago, kila said: They should get the army to help again (unless they are already too busy driving ambulances and HGVs) Yes please ! 😎 Edited October 22, 2021 by JamesM48 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joondalupjambo Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, XB52 said: In Turkey I was in the door 10 seconds and I was done. Here I had to listen to the side effects and confirm my details but it was probably only a couple of minutes Yeah the first time I went very fast but this time, honestly I really thought it was overkill all the admin. I just could not understand why there was so many folk involved and so many questions. I guess there might have been problems previously, this is a belts and braces approach at this particular location and that everyone now has to suffer the new processes. My original point still remains though I think, This is a massive exercise and for any politicians to get grief over the roll out being slow is a bit unfair and IMHO point scoring. Add in people, especially older generations then guess speeding up deployment is difficult especially if there are any other issues like vaccine availability, distribution issues etc. Edited October 22, 2021 by joondalupjambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 hour ago, joondalupjambo said: Yeah the first time I went very fast but this time, honestly I really thought it was overkill all the admin. I just could not understand why there was so many folk involved and so many questions. I guess there might have been problems previously, this is a belts and braces approach at this particular location and that everyone now has to suffer the new processes. My original point still remains though I think, This is a massive exercise and for any politicians to get grief over the roll out being slow is a bit unfair and IMHO point scoring. Add in people, especially older generations then guess speeding up deployment is difficult especially if there are any other issues like vaccine availability, distribution issues etc. Yeah but the issue is the did the original vaccine role outs very efficiently so why is the booster roll out a mess ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 4 hours ago, LMc said: Jeezo. Hope you're on the mend though! That sounds rough! It’s definitely not a good combo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joondalupjambo Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 9 hours ago, JamesM48 said: Yeah but the issue is the did the original vaccine role outs very efficiently so why is the booster roll out a mess ? Is it a mess? Is it not just slow due to a range of stuff. Conflicting priorities in the NHS, flu jabs at same time as boosters? Staff shortages? People not wanting to get yet another jab? Admin overheads like I saw yesterday? I guess a lot of factors come into play. Maybe because some politicians tried to take the credit for the initial vaccine successes that they are in the firing line now that the booster rollout is different. I would say any Politician should take flak when due but it is hard to stick it to them in some instances. I just think, at the moment anyway I am aware this particular NHS task is difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 13 hours ago, Smithee said: It's the human version of foot and mouth that knacked all the cows. I was in quarantine for 2 weeks IIRC but I felt great Don’t think the two diseases are in any way related from what I read mate. Just similar sounding names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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