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35 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Ok stv news a Pub manager  is moaning about the end of Furlough and the “ uncertainty” it will now cause ! No “ uncertainty “ was caused by not knowing if there would be a lockdown at any time . Let’s just get on with it now . Starting tomorrow .  

 

Hospitality sector is in turmoil down here as they can't get staff. Couldn't make this up.

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2 minutes ago, Japan Jambo said:

 

Hospitality sector is in turmoil down here as they can't get staff. Couldn't make this up.

Farcical 

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36 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

 

 

Be prepared to retry the sign up procedure multiple times, as I had problems with the facial recognition using both with my passport and driving licence.  The latter eventually worked, but then it said it could not find a match for my details. I then retried that multiple times before it allowed me to complete the registration.

 

I still don't have my QR code though, as it says it can take up to an hour after registration to update the app.

Ditto

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3 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Finally managed to get through the facial recognition issue and now it does not find a match. 
 

For a vaccine passport system to work the infrastructure needs to be put in place. Far from convinced it Is in place and that will lead to its failure. 
 

Will leave again and try in a bit. 

When you sign back in it should be fine. 

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2 hours ago, Footballfirst said:

I still don't have my QR code though, as it says it can take up to an hour after registration to update the app.

2 hours and 45 minutes later  and I finally have my QR code.

 

Now where do I fancy going this weekend?

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1 minute ago, Footballfirst said:

2 hours and 45 minutes later  and I finally have my QR code.

 

Now where do I fancy going this weekend?

I'm still stuck on the 'Your COVID Status will be displayed here' page

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12 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

We flew back last night.

Took our 'test' on Tuesday which was €55 at the local medi-clinic.

In a queue of around 20 folk. In to the room, doctor puts swab up nose and into vial, beside the dozen or so that went in before and I had my certificate by email before I'd got back to my apartment 8 minutes later 😂

They didn't even pretend to make it look like it was done properly 😂

What a ****ing scam. 

Hope you enjoyed your hols, Thor.

Yip, that is pretty much the same as my experience.  After the dipstick is shoved up your nose, a young nymphette comes out to collect your 50E in cash then pops back a few mins later to confirm the good news. No receipts offered or taken.  Nice work if you can get it!👍

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29 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Hope you enjoyed your hols, Thor.

Yip, that is pretty much the same as my experience.  After the dipstick is shoved up your nose, a young nymphette comes out to collect your 50E in cash then pops back a few mins later to confirm the good news. No receipts offered or taken.  Nice work if you can get it!👍

 

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54 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:


Signed back in this morning and it has found a match and provided QR codes. 
 

Still taking a piece of paper to Tynie to be on safe side 

I’m taking paper only the Hearts website confirms that is acceptable 

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22 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-58738972

 

in the early stages of the pandemic more than half of elderly patients who were discharged to care homes were not tested

 

Really awful stuff.

 

I imagine it was similar in England...and they then had the gall to play the whole "don't kill your granny" stuff. 

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7 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Really awful stuff.

 

I imagine it was similar in England...and they then had the gall to play the whole "don't kill your granny" stuff. 

yep, both governments should be pulled over the coals for it

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29 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-58738972

 

in the early stages of the pandemic more than half of elderly patients who were discharged to care homes were not tested

 

Pretty much what we knew or suspected.

 

Unfortunately those way up the food chain who made these decsions are not going to be the ones facing the music, they never are, it'll be someone much lower down the food chain that'll get thrown to the lions.

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2 hours ago, **** the SPFL said:

I’m taking paper only the Hearts website confirms that is acceptable 


Good advice. According to the app I haven’t had the vaccine. 🙄

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JudyJudyJudy
3 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

 


I have mixed thoughts on this, part of me thinks this happened at a time where we didn’t really know too much about COVID and they were just trying to get the hospitals empty for the the crisis was to come. I’m sure at the core they were focused on that, unfortunately the consequences of that decision were horrific.
 

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

 


 

They know it was a killer transmit-able disease which older people were particularly vulnerable to . Isn’t that enough ? I can’t see where the “ good intentions “ where ? Mainly gross incompetence on a state mandated size which had disastrous consequences. 

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My Mrs took our 15yo to the vaccine drop in at Ingliston yesterday.

I wasn't too keen, but she wanted to get vaccinated because she didn't want to be held back in life and all her pals at school had been done.

It was her decision so we respected it 

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5 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

My Mrs took our 15yo to the vaccine drop in at Ingliston yesterday.

I wasn't too keen, but she wanted to get vaccinated because she didn't want to be held back in life and all her pals at school had been done.

It was her decision so we respected it 

As you say her decision but it’s a shame she isn’t doing it for health reasons , sounds more like to fit in with friends and access other things . Good parenting on your behalf too respecting it . 

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23 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:


Fair enough, and similar to how other part of me feels. The good intention was getting the hospital beds freed up for the crisis. At the start we were fearing a Italy type scenario where people were in car parks and shit. Fortunately, it never caused the pressure where the temp hospitals had to be used. 
 

As this has gone on so long I find it difficult to recall exactly what the feelings were at certain times.  At one point we were going to let it run free, from memory, not even sure if that’s true now😂

 

Yes but decanting possibly infectious people with a deadly disease into a place where vulnerable people were staying was gross incompetence and someone Needs To answer to it . 
 

I feel completely the same about time ! It seems to have just went on forever and I get lost in my mind trying to think of events . I met a friends last night and we went for a meal and we were talking about this exact thing . I recalled meeting another friend at Harrison park for  a walk and wearing a mask in the street and park PLUS the gloves too ! And I was darting left right and centre to keep out of people’s air space ! I had it bad ! 
 

When we were in the pub my friend said “ are we allowed to go up the bar” the term “ allowed “ said it all .  
 

I can guarantee there will be / is an avalanche of mental health issues from all of this . Despite my daily rantings on this I think I’m almost back to pre covid James ! 😂 not so looney 

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1 minute ago, JamesM48 said:

Yes but decanting possibly infectious people with a deadly disease into a place where vulnerable people were staying was gross incompetence and someone Needs To answer to it . 
 

I feel completely the same about time ! It seems to have just went on forever and I get lost in my mind trying to think of events . I met a friends last night and we went for a meal and we were talking about this exact thing . I recalled meeting another friend at Harrison park for  a walk and wearing a mask in the street and park PLUS the gloves too ! And I was darting left right and centre to keep out of people’s air space ! I had it bad ! 
 

When we were in the pub my friend said “ are we allowed to go up the bar” the term “ allowed “ said it all .  
 

I can guarantee there will be / is an avalanche of mental health issues from all of this . Despite my daily rantings on this I think I’m almost back to pre covid James ! 😂 not so looney 

😳

 

:lol:

 

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23 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

My Mrs took our 15yo to the vaccine drop in at Ingliston yesterday.

I wasn't too keen, but she wanted to get vaccinated because she didn't want to be held back in life and all her pals at school had been done.

It was her decision so we respected it 

Good on her.

I think youngsters nowadays are more mature.

How was the protocol?

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19 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Good on her.

I think youngsters nowadays are more mature.

How was the protocol?

Aye. I think she and her pals all had a discussion at School. Like you say, very mature.

 

The wife took her and said it was fairly busy because they had just started the flu vaccines 2 days before.

There was 4 lanes for the flu and 1 for Covid, but it went down quickly.

 

What I didn't know, is that the kids can go themselves without a parent.

My daughter has a pal at school who wants it, but the parent refuses to take him.

She asked the vaccinator if he could turn up himself and was told that he could

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7 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Aye. I think she and her pals all had a discussion at School. Like you say, very mature.

 

The wife took her and said it was fairly busy because they had just started the flu vaccines 2 days before.

There was 4 lanes for the flu and 1 for Covid, but it went down quickly.

 

What I didn't know, is that the kids can go themselves without a parent.

My daughter has a pal at school who wants it, but the parent refuses to take him.

She asked the vaccinator if he could turn up himself and was told that he could

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30 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Aye. I think she and her pals all had a discussion at School. Like you say, very mature.

 

The wife took her and said it was fairly busy because they had just started the flu vaccines 2 days before.

There was 4 lanes for the flu and 1 for Covid, but it went down quickly.

 

What I didn't know, is that the kids can go themselves without a parent.

My daughter has a pal at school who wants it, but the parent refuses to take him.

She asked the vaccinator if he could turn up himself and was told that he could

I await the next decision from the SG to allow people over the age 12 to vote ! Since they are apparently able to consent to this why not allow them to vote ? It’s am alarming precedent IMO . 

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34 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

Hope they find some sort of criminal charge to hit this cretin with. Conned a man who was being treated into leaving hospital, resulting in him dying days later.
 

Hospital patient, 67, 'saved' by anti-vaxxer dies from COVID
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-patient-saved-hospital-dies-074516908.html

 

Poor man. :( 

“ Conned “ a man ? Nope .

 

Advised him or supported him to Make his own decision about his health ?

 

Maybe

 

 It’s clear That he was able to make that choice as the hospital could easily have stopped him if they believed he did not have the capacity to make his own decision about his treatment . He was  able to .

 

Morally it’s not a pleasant story at all really but we can only assume that the man was not vulnerable enough to be stopped from leaving the hospital . We don’t know the conversations he had or his wishes . It’s a half story . 
 

if his family were so concerned where were they ? Shouldn’t they have been there to stop it. ? Again they would not have been able to since the patient must have been deemed To be able to make his own decisions about his health . 
 

Your clearly looking for a “ rise “ as usual due to your crusade against people who are Making choices about their own body , pro choices but more known by their negative label of “  anti vaxxer” .   
 

The patient made a choice which turned out to be a very bad one . 

 

 

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58 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

Hope they find some sort of criminal charge to hit this cretin with. Conned a man who was being treated into leaving hospital, resulting in him dying days later.
 

Hospital patient, 67, 'saved' by anti-vaxxer dies from COVID
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-patient-saved-hospital-dies-074516908.html

 

Poor man. :( 

 

Could be reckless and culpable homicide.  Evil *****.

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16 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

“ Conned “ a man ? Nope .

 

Advised him or supported him to Make his own decision about his health ?

 

Maybe

 

 It’s clear That he was able to make that choice as the hospital could easily have stopped him if they believed he did not have the capacity to make his own decision about his treatment . He was  able to .

 

Morally it’s not a pleasant story at all really but we can only assume that the man was not vulnerable enough to be stopped from leaving the hospital . We don’t know the conversations he had or his wishes . It’s a half story . 
 

if his family were so concerned where were they ? Shouldn’t they have been there to stop it. ? Again they would not have been able to since the patient must have been deemed To be able to make his own decisions about his health . 
 

Your clearly looking for a “ rise “ as usual due to your crusade against people who are Making choices about their own body , pro choices but more known by their negative label of “  anti vaxxer” .   
 

The patient made a choice which turned out to be a very bad one . 

 

 

 

What a strange fellow you are.

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Just now, Ray Gin said:

 

What a strange fellow you are.

Nope .

 

I’m looking at the story from all angles ! Objectively . Not from an  “ anti vaxxer “ red rag to a bull pair of sunglasses 

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12 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

What a strange fellow you are.

Lost the argument so resorts to insults . Quelle surprise again 

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15 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Could be reckless and culpable homicide.  Evil *****.

Drama queen 👸 as well as being an expert in infectious diseases he’s now a legal expert . The ego has landed . 

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1 minute ago, JamesM48 said:

Lost the argument so resorts to insults . Quelle surprise again 

 

Strange is the kindest word I could come up with for someone who gets triggered by me simply sharing a news article like that.

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1 minute ago, JamesM48 said:

Drama queen 👸 as well as being an expert in infectious diseases he’s now a legal expert . The ego has landed . 


Was the anti-vaxxer that was pulling ill patients out of the hospital an expert in epidemiology or a specialist in virology? Er, no, no he wasn't. You espouse the "my body my choice" mantra - but these ignorant zealots aren't satisified with making a personal choice are they? Not if they are barricading vaccination clinics, haranguing medical staff and now literally pulling ill people out of hospital wards - they are insisting on their ill-informed viewpoint being the only acceptable one. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Strange is the kindest word I could come up with for someone who gets triggered by me simply sharing a news article like that.

I was hardly triggered . I think it is you who is triggered by it judging by your comments regarding it . Classic  Projection  there it seems . 👍

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Just now, Gizmo said:


Was the anti-vaxxer that was pulling ill patients out of the hospital an expert in epidemiology or a specialist in virology? Er, no, no he wasn't. You espouse the "my body my choice" mantra - but these ignorant zealots aren't satisified with making a personal choice are they? Not if they are barricading vaccination clinics, haranguing medical staff and now literally pulling ill people out of hospital wards - they are insisting on their ill-informed viewpoint being the only acceptable one. 

 

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We are discussing this case in Ireland 🇮🇪 stop trying to derail to assume all pro choice people are the same ! 

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Ah the lexicon of nonsense changes.

 

Has the term 'Pro Choice' now evolved as a catch all for swallowing the utter shite spouted the Neil Olivers of the world?

 

Pro Choice 😂

 

**** me 😂

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14 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Ah the lexicon of nonsense changes.

 

Has the term 'Pro Choice' now evolved as a catch all for swallowing the utter shite spouted the Neil Olivers of the world?

 

Pro Choice 😂

 

**** me 😂

Quelle  surprise again 

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This could be mistaken for classic meltdown fodder but no,  alas it is not.  It's a familiar rampage around the far flung reaches of the human id that few have access to.  

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The patient made a choice . A bad choice . Simple as that . It’s whether he was influenced by his friends to make this choice that’s the issue . He clearly was and I can almost guarantee he was pro choice himself. The issue you all seem have is about an individuals right to make a choice . This is clearly evident in your virulence against pro choice people . You really don’t want people make choices do you ? There’s a name or an ideology for those groups of people .    And as an aside I can almost guarantee there will no charges levelled against his friends . Sorry “ rhubarb of the Bailey “ aka Victorian to burst your bubble there ‘ 

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9 minutes ago, Victorian said:

This could be mistaken for classic meltdown fodder but no,  alas it is not.  It's a familiar rampage around the far flung reaches of the human id that few have access to.  

Awe look he must be super intelligent he’s just made reference to Freud ! Impressive 💩

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Scottish numbers: 1 October 2021

Summary

  • 2,693 new cases of COVID-19 reported [+218; down from 3,667 a week ago]
  • 40,540 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [-6,253]
    • 7.2% of these were positive [+0.5%]
  • 34 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [-1]
  • 65 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-9]
  • 983 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-15]
  • 4,194,212 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination and 3,840,251 have received their second dose [+4,511; +2,562]
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      7-day per-100,000 cases                
Council Area WHO   Today Yesterday     29 Sep 28 Sep 27 Sep 26 Sep 25 Sep ... 1 Sep
Scotland 4   345 363 -18   383 394 403 419 442 ... 747
                           
South Ayrshire 4   541 572 -31   593 608 575 589 629 ... 658
West Lothian 4   504 527 -23   521 532 520 519 529 ... 668
North Lanarkshire 4   442 462 -20   486 498 521 558 587 ... 1261
North Ayrshire 4   441 459 -18   469 492 480 498 524 ... 772
East Ayrshire 4   440 510 -70   562 586 602 623 650 ... 627
West Dunbartonshire 4   437 453 -16   530 588 609 674 726 ... 1105
Dundee City 4   427 469 -42   495 514 508 513 542 ... 697
Falkirk 4   421 432 -11   459 471 458 471 522 ... 690
Fife 4   407 435 -28   470 469 484 488 513 ... 597
East Dunbartonshire 4   382 375 +7   404 429 477 492 513 ... 1150
South Lanarkshire 4   382 398 -16   396 406 434 461 481 ... 1013
Renfrewshire 4   371 393 -22   413 421 438 475 511 ... 1041
Stirling 4   366 377 -11   389 374 386 401 419 ... 628
Inverclyde 4   365 379 -14   388 387 384 405 437 ... 1238
Dumfries & Galloway 4   361 370 -9   372 358 351 361 355 ... 620
East Renfrewshire 4   354 373 -19   372 389 385 398 430 ... 1080
Aberdeenshire 4   339 347 -8   380 387 394 403 417 ... 424
Clackmannanshire 4   328 365 -37   427 458 468 507 528 ... 704
Glasgow City 4   328 347 -19   368 384 401 432 471 ... 989
Midlothian 4   327 369 -42   395 392 393 413 425 ... 754
Argyll & Bute 4   304 298 +6   307 335 350 363 387 ... 712
Perth & Kinross 4   304 334 -30   369 405 407 403 436 ... 297
Aberdeen City 4   292 288 +4   312 322 336 353 362 ... 414
East Lothian 4   265 272 -7   272 263 272 274 273 ... 604
Edinburgh City 4   238 255 -17   282 286 292 300 313 ... 722
Angus 4   234 259 -25   274 305 302 295 291 ... 430
Na h-Eileanan Siar 4   234 234 0   200 185 174 158 174 ... 170
Moray 4   231 226 +5   228 218 223 224 228 ... 183
Scottish Borders 4   188 216 -28   211 223 228 233 267 ... 430
Highland 4   168 169 -1   187 194 203 220 243 ... 531
Orkney Islands 3   85 85 0   63 80 85 98 112 ... 67
Shetland Islands 3   70 57 +13   52 57 57 61 57 ... 262
                           
                           
7-day averages     Today Yesterday     29 Sep 28 Sep 27 Sep 26 Sep 25 Sep ... 1 Sep
Tests     35457 36268 -811   37270 38304 38689 39481 41671 ... 46368
Cases     2694 2833 -139   2992 3078 3149 3270 3453 ... 5832
Positivity rate %     8.2 8.4 -0.2   8.6 8.6 8.8 8.9 8.9 ... 13.3
Deaths     19.1 21.4 -2.3   21.7 22.1 22.4 22.3 22.3 ... 6.0
                           
All Vaccinations     6572 6130 +442   6087 6098 6158 5988 6104 ... 15364
1st Dose     3705 3378 +327   3358 3391 3429 3112 2977 ... 2844
2nd Dose     2867 2752 +115   2729 2707 2729 2876 3127 ... 12520
                           
All in hospital     1009 1013 -4   1021 1029 1040 1050 1060 ... 524
Non-ICU     935 937 -2   944 950 958 965 972 ... 473
ICU     74 76 -2   77 79 82 85 88 ... 51
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21 minutes ago, redjambo said:

Scottish numbers: 1 October 2021

Summary

  • 2,693 new cases of COVID-19 reported [+218; down from 3,667 a week ago]
  • 40,540 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [-6,253]
    • 7.2% of these were positive [+0.5%]
  • 34 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [-1]
  • 65 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-9]
  • 983 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-15]
  • 4,194,212 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination and 3,840,251 have received their second dose [+4,511; +2,562]

Deaths still really high but they should follow the downward trend of other figures soon

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10 minutes ago, XB52 said:

Deaths still really high but they should follow the downward trend of other figures soon

They are but although covid is on death certificate they still could have died of natural causes 

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Some potential good news.

https://www.statnews.com/2021/10/01/mercks-antiviral-pill-reduces-hospitalization-of-covid-patients-a-possible-game-changer-for-treatment/

 

 

An investigational antiviral pill reduced the chances that patients newly diagnosed with Covid-19 would be hospitalized by about 50%, a finding that could give doctors a desperately needed new way to treat the sick, the drug maker Merck announced Friday.

 

A five-day course of molnupiravir, developed by Merck and Ridgeback Biotherapeutics, reduced both hospitalization and death compared to a placebo. In the placebo group, 53 patients, or 14.1%, were hospitalized or died. For those who received the drug, 28, or 7.3%, were hospitalized or died.

A simple oral medication to help treat Covid-19 has been an elusive goal since the start of the pandemic. Other drugs, including Gilead’s remdesivir, have also been shown to reduce hospitalizations if given early in the course of disease, but must be given intravenously.

“If this pans out, it will change the landscape,” said Andy Pavia, chief of the Division of Pediatric Infectious Diseases at University of Utah. “There’s still a lot we need to know. What does the side effect profile look like? Do we know how to dose it in populations that are different such as children and the obese? But as a top-line result, this is definitely exciting.”

 

Related: 

Scientists work toward an elusive dream: a simple pill to treat Covid-19

If approved, molnupiravir could have a dramatic impact on efforts to fight the pandemic. Merck and Ridgeback said they would seek an emergency use authorization from the Food and Drug Administration “as soon as possible” and would submit it to regulatory agencies worldwide.

The data from the study were made public in a press release and have not yet been peer-reviewed. But even top-line figures were encouraging. In the first 29 days of the study, there were no deaths reported in the group treated with molnupiravir and eight deaths reported among patients who received placebo.

 

Patients in the study had mild-to-moderate Covid-19, were within five days of symptom onset when dosed, and had at least one risk factor associated with poor disease outcomes.

The study was stopped early on the recommendation of an independent data monitoring committee and in consultation with the FDA, Merck said. Such committees are charged with making sure studies are in the best interest of patients, and recommend they be stopped if it is clear a drug is effective.

 

Only limited information on side effects was made public in the press release, but the companies said rates were similar between the placebo group and the treated group. An adverse event, or bad outcome, occurred in 35% of those who received molnupiravir and 40% of those who received placebo. Only 1.3% of molnupiravir-treated subjects discontinued the drug because of an adverse event, compared to 3.4% who discontinued placebo.

 

“When people talk about endemic Covid and the future of Covid, they don’t spend as much time talking about the value of intervening early to reduce severity of disease and that’s a very valuable tool,” said Natalie Dean, an assistant professor of biostatistics at Emory University who studies infectious disease. “The more accessible that can be, the more effective it can be.”

In an interview, Dean Li, Merck’s head of research and development, said that no particular side effect stood out as being more common with the drug, but more complete data will be available at a later date.

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