Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[willie wallace]

4 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

I vaguely remember that, it was like the f word, right?

Never missed a daily briefing waiting for it to drop below 1.

Compulsive viewing.

[redjambo]

28 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Correct Red. 

I'm not going to name him, but there will be a few who know who I'm talking about

 

18 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

It doesn't look like it's turning out the way that you had hoped

 

 

Very subtle, Nucky.

[redjambo]

14 minutes ago, willie wallace said:

Whatever happened to the r number?

Is it still still a thing.Never heard it mentioned for a while now.

 

Just for you. Updated regularly on https://www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/. Don't pay any heed to it myself, mind, although I'm sure it has its use.

 

 

 

[Nucky Thompson]

4 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

 

Very subtle, Nucky.

[JudyJudyJudy]

38 minutes ago, willie wallace said:

Whatever happened to the r number?

Is it still still a thing.Never heard it mentioned for a while now.

Oh it get ditched when it lost its potency to scare the shit out of people when it went the “ wrong way” 

28 minutes ago, willie wallace said:

Never missed a daily briefing waiting for it to drop below 1.

Compulsive viewing.

Lol 😂 

[JudyJudyJudy]

22 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Oh no I was hoping it might be like an Agatha Christie whodunnit ? But it was “ whosaidit “ ! Spoiler 😂😂 

[willie wallace]

48 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

I vaguely remember that, it was like the f word, right?

Think the f word is still going though 😀

[willie wallace]

22 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Oh it get ditched when it lost its potency to scare the shit out of people when it went the “ wrong way” 

Lol 😂 

I bet you never missed an episode🤗

[HartleyLegend3]

 

[Gizmo]

1 hour ago, redjambo said:

 

Just for you. Updated regularly on https://www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/. Don't pay any heed to it myself, mind, although I'm sure it has its use.

 

 

 

If that stays heading in that direction as we get cooler weather, that would be most welcome. 

[Footballfirst]

My plans to go to Amsterdam in 10 days time have had a bit of a spanner thrown into the works.  While it is ok to travel there if double vaccinated and with a pre departure test, the restrictions on access to hospitality and other venues is proving problematic.

 

The NL governemnt has adopted the EU Digital Covid Certificate, basically a covid passport for access to various venues including hospitality. However the NHS vaccination certificate is not compatible with their system so is not acceptable. The UK has asked to link the NHS systems to the EU-DCC system, but the EU hasn't approved it as yet.

 

If you think the Scottish restrictions are bizarre, then try a couple of Dutch examples.  I can book into my hotel ok, but I can't go for breakfast into the dining room without a pass.  I can sit eating and drinking outside a bar or restaurant without a pass, but if I need to go inside to use the toilet, then I need a pass.

 

The only workable solution (barring going to places that ignore the rules) is to get daily antigen tests and upload the result to the NL Coronacheck App.  A negative test is valid for 24 hours.  I've already checked with a couple of bars where I go regularly and they will let me in ok with my Vaccination certificate, however the inconvenience of testing is a bit of a bind.  The one piece of good news is that you can be tested for free, with the NL government picking up the tab, so all is not lost yet.

Edited September 28, 2021 by Footballfirst

[ri Alban]

10 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said:

It doesn't look like it's turning out the way that you had hoped

 

 

Hoped? I still expect it to go up, rapid. It's inevitable. Then you can stop your smug celebration of the Scottish numbers and attack of the Scottish Government. 👍 

 

 

Anyway, how's the caravan, how many lives do you think you cost with your wee 'i must go' holidays. 10, 100, 1000?

[ri Alban]

@Nucky Thompson Have you had it yet?

[Governor Tarkin]

1 hour ago, Lord BJ said:

I’m off to Portugal next week

 

Murdering *******.

[Nucky Thompson]

2 hours ago, ri Alban said:

Hoped? I still expect it to go up, rapid. It's inevitable. Then you can stop your smug celebration of the Scottish numbers and attack of the Scottish Government. 👍 

 

 

Anyway, how's the caravan, how many lives do you think you cost with your wee 'i must go' holidays. 10, 100, 1000?

FFS Get a grip. This isn't Scotland v England.

I live in Scotland and the only time I 'celebrate' is when the numbers go down.

 

Another who thinks attacking the Scottish government is an attack on Scotland 

[communist]

10 hours ago, Footballfirst said:

My plans to go to Amsterdam in 10 days time have had a bit of a spanner thrown into the works.  While it is ok to travel there if double vaccinated and with a pre departure test, the restrictions on access to hospitality and other venues is proving problematic.

 

The NL governemnt has adopted the EU Digital Covid Certificate, basically a covid passport for access to various venues including hospitality. However the NHS vaccination certificate is not compatible with their system so is not acceptable. The UK has asked to link the NHS systems to the EU-DCC system, but the EU hasn't approved it as yet.

 

If you think the Scottish restrictions are bizarre, then try a couple of Dutch examples.  I can book into my hotel ok, but I can't go for breakfast into the dining room without a pass.  I can sit eating and drinking outside a bar or restaurant without a pass, but if I need to go inside to use the toilet, then I need a pass.

 

The only workable solution (barring going to places that ignore the rules) is to get daily antigen tests and upload the result to the NL Coronacheck App.  A negative test is valid for 24 hours.  I've already checked with a couple of bars where I go regularly and they will let me in ok with my Vaccination certificate, however the inconvenience of testing is a bit of a bind.  The one piece of good news is that you can be tested for free, with the NL government picking up the tab, so all is not lost yet.

Sounds similar to what France has introduced, I was in Paris last weekend and didn’t get asked to produce anything to enter bars or restaurants.

[Footballfirst]

3 hours ago, Lord BJ said:

I’ve heard of people suffering similar in other EU countries. 
 

I’m unsure why it appears so difficult to link our vaccine certificates to their system; especially as in everyone interest to get sorted out. 
 

I’m off to Portugal next week and they utilise similar rules, albeit not quite as severe as the Dutch. Part of the problem we will have is the wife and I are doubled jabbed but the kids are singled jabbed, and I’m unsure if they will get a second jag and from a EU perspective they won’t comply, possibly ever. 

 

 Now in Portugal it’s a bit easier to sit outside at eat and drink due to the weather. however, it is a little bit of concern. 
 

I appreciate this is still relatively new but to support tourism etc it’s essential the UK/Scot/EI govts to get reciprocal agreements. I’m surprised it hasn’t been sorted yet as they have been working on it for a while 

 

I assume your still planning to go and will just test daily?  Could you take LFT from UK and use or need to be Dutch system. 
 

Ohh and apologies for triggering people with fragile egos for discussing holidays 😂 

I don't think that it is difficult to link the systems, as the EU has done similar links for other non EU countries like Switzerland and Ukraine. I think they are just being a bit slow to meet the UK's requests which was entirely predictable after Brexit.  Other countries such as Spain, Portugal, and Greece, while part of the EU-DCC scheme, have taken a more pragmatic approach that if they want UK visitors then they will adapt their rules.

 

Re my Amsterdam trip, I am going ahead with it.  It's the NL government that is providing the free tests through a number of clinics. Their system is hooked up to the EU-DCC scheme in that, along with the test result, they provide you with a code that you key into the NL Coronacheck app which generates the QR code you need to access venues.  I've just booked tests for each day of my stay.

 

I've also checked with my hotel and they say that they don't do any checks in the hotel and their view was that most bars and restaurants will accept non EU visitors regardless.

[willie wallace]

15 hours ago, redjambo said:

 

Just for you. Updated regularly on https://www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/. Don't pay any heed to it myself, mind, although I'm sure it has its use.

 

 

 

Thanks for the link Red.I see it is still hovering around the 1 mark.

[Governor Tarkin]

39 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

 

I've also checked with my hotel and they say that they don't do any checks in the hotel and their view was that most bars and restaurants will accept non EU visitors regardless.

 

I was in 'quarantine' in Amsterdam a couple of months ago and can confirm that bars were not asking for proof of anything.

[Gulpener]

3 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

I was in 'quarantine' in Amsterdam a couple of months ago and can confirm that bars were not asking for proof of anything.

The "vaccination passport" check for hospitality only started in NL last Saturday.

[JudyJudyJudy]

17 minutes ago, Gulpener said:

The "vaccination passport" check for hospitality only started in NL last Saturday.

Well it’s happening here in Scotland . You can stay in a pub until 1159 pm sans vaccine passport but once 12 comes , “ papers or phones please “ Absolutely ludicrous . On par with horizontal drinking 

[JudyJudyJudy]

17 minutes ago, Gulpener said:

The "vaccination passport" check for hospitality only started in NL last Saturday.

Well it’s happening here in Scotland . You can stay in a pub until 1159 pm sans vaccine passport but once 12 comes , “ papers or phones please “ Absolutely ludicrous . On par with horizontal drinking 

[Governor Tarkin]

2 hours ago, Gulpener said:

The "vaccination passport" check for hospitality only started in NL last Saturday.

 

I doubt whether much will have changed.

[Boab]

1 minute ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

I doubt whether much will have changed.

I doubt it either, Gov.

Don’t know how other countries operate it but if it is like ours will be, a reasonable enforcement of it at places will suffice. 
Like the gatherings chicanery last year, the old bill let the vast majority off for having a few round for a piss up , only prosecuting those who really took the piss with mass rave-ups !

[willie wallace]

15 hours ago, Footballfirst said:

My plans to go to Amsterdam in 10 days time have had a bit of a spanner thrown into the works.  While it is ok to travel there if double vaccinated and with a pre departure test, the restrictions on access to hospitality and other venues is proving problematic.

 

The NL governemnt has adopted the EU Digital Covid Certificate, basically a covid passport for access to various venues including hospitality. However the NHS vaccination certificate is not compatible with their system so is not acceptable. The UK has asked to link the NHS systems to the EU-DCC system, but the EU hasn't approved it as yet.

 

If you think the Scottish restrictions are bizarre, then try a couple of Dutch examples.  I can book into my hotel ok, but I can't go for breakfast into the dining room without a pass.  I can sit eating and drinking outside a bar or restaurant without a pass, but if I need to go inside to use the toilet, then I need a pass.

 

The only workable solution (barring going to places that ignore the rules) is to get daily antigen tests and upload the result to the NL Coronacheck App.  A negative test is valid for 24 hours.  I've already checked with a couple of bars where I go regularly and they will let me in ok with my Vaccination certificate, however the inconvenience of testing is a bit of a bind.  The one piece of good news is that you can be tested for free, with the NL government picking up the tab, so all is not lost yet.

I am glad you are going before I do FF👍You can sort everything out.

I checked with my son and although they don't go out much  because they are looking after my grandchildren apparently.

He said he has been asked so be prepared.

I am hoping to go  around the 12th November.

My wife asked if Hearts don't have a game that weekend😊

I notice you planned your trip on the same basis.

[Auldbenches]

2 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

Well it’s happening here in Scotland . You can stay in a pub until 1159 pm sans vaccine passport but once 12 comes , “ papers or phones please “ Absolutely ludicrous . On par with horizontal drinking 

It's not exactly 1984 is it?  Might be an inconvenience but people are well aware of this before going to these places.  

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

14 minutes ago, Auldbenches said:

It's not exactly 1984 is it?  Might be an inconvenience but people are well aware of this before going to these places.  

 

No they have changed the goal posts . Initially if you were in the bar before 12 you could stay after 12 and not be asked for proof of vaccine . 

[redjambo]

Scottish numbers: 29 September 2021

Summary

• 2,997 new cases of COVID-19 reported [+627; down from 3,598 a week ago]
• 42,361 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [+18,460]
  • 7.6% of these were positive [-3.0%]
• 28 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [+12]
• 71 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-2]
• 1,020 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-7]
• 4,186,743 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination and 3,835,013 have received their second dose [+2,169; +2,515]

[Auldbenches]

31 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

No they have changed the goal posts . Initially if you were in the bar before 12 you could stay after 12 and not be asked for proof of vaccine . 

I don't understand why midnight changes anything but people now know what happens so easy to take what they need if they want to stay.  

1984 etc is a bit much   

[Fxxx the SPFL]

2 minutes ago, redjambo said:

Scottish numbers: 29 September 2021

Summary

• 2,997 new cases of COVID-19 reported [+627; down from 3,598 a week ago]
• 42,361 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [+18,460]
  • 7.6% of these were positive [-3.0%]
• 28 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [+12]
• 71 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-2]
• 1,020 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-7]
• 4,186,743 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination and 3,835,013 have received their second dose [+2,169; +2,515]

hospital numbers down again slightly and percentage down as well cheers Red 

[Dennis Reynolds]

Things still going the right way, cheers Red 👍

[redjambo]

Today's trend stats:

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	WHO		Today	Yesterday			27 Sep	26 Sep	25 Sep	24 Sep	23 Sep	...	1 Sep
Scotland	4		383	394	-11		403	419	442	N/A	N/A	...	747
South Ayrshire	4		593	608	-15		575	589	629	N/A	N/A	...	658
East Ayrshire	4		562	586	-24		602	623	650	N/A	N/A	...	627
West Dunbartonshire	4		530	588	-58		609	674	726	N/A	N/A	...	1105
West Lothian	4		521	532	-11		520	519	529	N/A	N/A	...	668
Dundee City	4		495	514	-19		508	513	542	N/A	N/A	...	697
North Lanarkshire	4		486	498	-12		521	558	587	N/A	N/A	...	1261
Fife	4		470	469	+1		484	488	513	N/A	N/A	...	597
North Ayrshire	4		469	492	-23		480	498	524	N/A	N/A	...	772
Falkirk	4		459	471	-12		458	471	522	N/A	N/A	...	690
Clackmannanshire	4		427	458	-31		468	507	528	N/A	N/A	...	704
Renfrewshire	4		413	421	-8		438	475	511	N/A	N/A	...	1041
East Dunbartonshire	4		404	429	-25		477	492	513	N/A	N/A	...	1150
South Lanarkshire	4		396	406	-10		434	461	481	N/A	N/A	...	1013
Midlothian	4		395	392	+3		393	413	425	N/A	N/A	...	754
Stirling	4		389	374	+15		386	401	419	N/A	N/A	...	628
Inverclyde	4		388	387	+1		384	405	437	N/A	N/A	...	1238
Aberdeenshire	4		380	387	-7		394	403	417	N/A	N/A	...	424
Dumfries & Galloway	4		372	358	+14		351	361	355	N/A	N/A	...	620
East Renfrewshire	4		372	389	-17		385	398	430	N/A	N/A	...	1080
Perth & Kinross	4		369	405	-36		407	403	436	N/A	N/A	...	297
Glasgow City	4		368	384	-16		401	432	471	N/A	N/A	...	989
Aberdeen City	4		312	322	-10		336	353	362	N/A	N/A	...	414
Argyll & Bute	4		307	335	-28		350	363	387	N/A	N/A	...	712
Edinburgh City	4		282	286	-4		292	300	313	N/A	N/A	...	722
Angus	4		274	305	-31		302	295	291	N/A	N/A	...	430
East Lothian	4		272	263	+9		272	274	273	N/A	N/A	...	604
Moray	4		228	218	+10		223	224	228	N/A	N/A	...	183
Scottish Borders	4		211	223	-12		228	233	267	N/A	N/A	...	430
Na h-Eileanan Siar	4		200	185	+15		174	158	174	N/A	N/A	...	170
Highland	4		187	194	-7		203	220	243	N/A	N/A	...	531
Orkney Islands	3		63	80	-17		85	98	112	N/A	N/A	...	67
Shetland Islands	3		52	57	-5		57	61	57	N/A	N/A	...	262
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			27 Sep	26 Sep	25 Sep	24 Sep	23 Sep	...	1 Sep
Tests			37270	38304	-1034		38689	39481	41671	N/A	N/A	...	46368
Cases			2992	3078	-86		3149	3270	3453	N/A	N/A	...	5832
Positivity rate %			8.6	8.6	0.0		8.8	8.9	8.9	N/A	N/A	...	13.3
Deaths			21.7	22.1	-0.4		22.4	22.3	22.3	23.6	20.7	...	6.0
All Vaccinations			6087	6098	-11		6158	5988	6104	5624	N/A	...	15364
1st Dose			3358	3391	-33		3429	3112	2977	2589	N/A	...	2844
2nd Dose			2729	2707	+22		2729	2876	3127	3035	N/A	...	12520
All in hospital			1021	1029	-8		1040	1050	1060	1066	1070	...	524
Non-ICU			944	950	-6		958	965	972	975	978	...	473
ICU			77	79	-2		82	85	88	91	92	...	51

[The Real Maroonblood]

Just now, redjambo said:

Today's trend stats:

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	WHO		Today	Yesterday			27 Sep	26 Sep	25 Sep	24 Sep	23 Sep	...	1 Sep
Scotland	4		383	394	-11		403	419	442	N/A	N/A	...	747
South Ayrshire	4		593	608	-15		575	589	629	N/A	N/A	...	658
East Ayrshire	4		562	586	-24		602	623	650	N/A	N/A	...	627
West Dunbartonshire	4		530	588	-58		609	674	726	N/A	N/A	...	1105
West Lothian	4		521	532	-11		520	519	529	N/A	N/A	...	668
Dundee City	4		495	514	-19		508	513	542	N/A	N/A	...	697
North Lanarkshire	4		486	498	-12		521	558	587	N/A	N/A	...	1261
Fife	4		470	469	+1		484	488	513	N/A	N/A	...	597
North Ayrshire	4		469	492	-23		480	498	524	N/A	N/A	...	772
Falkirk	4		459	471	-12		458	471	522	N/A	N/A	...	690
Clackmannanshire	4		427	458	-31		468	507	528	N/A	N/A	...	704
Renfrewshire	4		413	421	-8		438	475	511	N/A	N/A	...	1041
East Dunbartonshire	4		404	429	-25		477	492	513	N/A	N/A	...	1150
South Lanarkshire	4		396	406	-10		434	461	481	N/A	N/A	...	1013
Midlothian	4		395	392	+3		393	413	425	N/A	N/A	...	754
Stirling	4		389	374	+15		386	401	419	N/A	N/A	...	628
Inverclyde	4		388	387	+1		384	405	437	N/A	N/A	...	1238
Aberdeenshire	4		380	387	-7		394	403	417	N/A	N/A	...	424
Dumfries & Galloway	4		372	358	+14		351	361	355	N/A	N/A	...	620
East Renfrewshire	4		372	389	-17		385	398	430	N/A	N/A	...	1080
Perth & Kinross	4		369	405	-36		407	403	436	N/A	N/A	...	297
Glasgow City	4		368	384	-16		401	432	471	N/A	N/A	...	989
Aberdeen City	4		312	322	-10		336	353	362	N/A	N/A	...	414
Argyll & Bute	4		307	335	-28		350	363	387	N/A	N/A	...	712
Edinburgh City	4		282	286	-4		292	300	313	N/A	N/A	...	722
Angus	4		274	305	-31		302	295	291	N/A	N/A	...	430
East Lothian	4		272	263	+9		272	274	273	N/A	N/A	...	604
Moray	4		228	218	+10		223	224	228	N/A	N/A	...	183
Scottish Borders	4		211	223	-12		228	233	267	N/A	N/A	...	430
Na h-Eileanan Siar	4		200	185	+15		174	158	174	N/A	N/A	...	170
Highland	4		187	194	-7		203	220	243	N/A	N/A	...	531
Orkney Islands	3		63	80	-17		85	98	112	N/A	N/A	...	67
Shetland Islands	3		52	57	-5		57	61	57	N/A	N/A	...	262
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			27 Sep	26 Sep	25 Sep	24 Sep	23 Sep	...	1 Sep
Tests			37270	38304	-1034		38689	39481	41671	N/A	N/A	...	46368
Cases			2992	3078	-86		3149	3270	3453	N/A	N/A	...	5832
Positivity rate %			8.6	8.6	0.0		8.8	8.9	8.9	N/A	N/A	...	13.3
Deaths			21.7	22.1	-0.4		22.4	22.3	22.3	23.6	20.7	...	6.0
All Vaccinations			6087	6098	-11		6158	5988	6104	5624	N/A	...	15364
1st Dose			3358	3391	-33		3429	3112	2977	2589	N/A	...	2844
2nd Dose			2729	2707	+22		2729	2876	3127	3035	N/A	...	12520
All in hospital			1021	1029	-8		1040	1050	1060	1066	1070	...	524
Non-ICU			944	950	-6		958	965	972	975	978	...	473
ICU			77	79	-2		82	85	88	91	92	...	51

👍

[redjambo]

17 minutes ago, Auldbenches said:

I don't understand why midnight changes anything but people now know what happens so easy to take what they need if they want to stay.  

1984 etc is a bit much   

 

My thoughts exactly. The midnight cut-off point is arbitrary and doesn't match the behaviour of the virus. However "1984"? Owning a mobile phone, using a debit/credit card, and accessing the internet are, to take just 3 examples, far more "1984" than having to show vaccination proof at a venue.

[Footballfirst]

1 hour ago, willie wallace said:

I am glad you are going before I do FF👍You can sort everything out.

I checked with my son and although they don't go out much  because they are looking after my grandchildren apparently.

He said he has been asked so be prepared.

I am hoping to go  around the 12th November.

My wife asked if Hearts don't have a game that weekend😊

I notice you planned your trip on the same basis.

It was booked six months ago after we had to cancel our last scheduled visit, but long before the fixtures were announced, although I did know that it was likely to be an international weekend.

[Boab]

14 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

My thoughts exactly. The midnight cut-off point is arbitrary and doesn't match the behaviour of the virus. However "1984"? Owning a mobile phone, using a debit/credit card, and accessing the internet are, to take just 3 examples, far more "1984" than having to show vaccination proof at a venue.

Yip.

Quoting 1984 while online is as bizarre as it comes !

 

[Auldbenches]

1 hour ago, redjambo said:

 

My thoughts exactly. The midnight cut-off point is arbitrary and doesn't match the behaviour of the virus. However "1984"? Owning a mobile phone, using a debit/credit card, and accessing the internet are, to take just 3 examples, far more "1984" than having to show vaccination proof at a venue.

Anything nowadays and it's a big brother society.   

[Dazo]

2 hours ago, Auldbenches said:

It's not exactly 1984 is it?  Might be an inconvenience but people are well aware of this before going to these places.  

 

Not sure it’s the inconvenience of it more the stupidity. Maybe it’s just me but asking someone to show their proof of vaccination after potentially having spend the entire day and evening in the place mixing with tens/hundreds of people seems pretty dumb. 

[Auldbenches]

5 minutes ago, Dazo said:

Not sure it’s the inconvenience of it more the stupidity. Maybe it’s just me but asking someone to show their proof of vaccination after potentially having spend the entire day and evening in the place mixing with tens/hundreds of people seems pretty dumb. 

I agree that I can't see the difference between pre and post midnight.  People know this now and should take what's required if they want to remain.  

[JudyJudyJudy]

8 minutes ago, Dazo said:

Not sure it’s the inconvenience of it more the stupidity. Maybe it’s just me but asking someone to show their proof of vaccination after potentially having spend the entire day and evening in the place mixing with tens/hundreds of people seems pretty dumb. 

Well that’s what is so ludicrous about it . It seems to have bypassed some on this 

[Dazo]

Just now, Auldbenches said:

I agree that I can't see the difference between pre and post midnight.  People know this now and should take what's required if they want to remain.  

Absolutely. Isn’t really achieving anything though is it ? It’s creates the impression she is just trying to be different with no benefit imo. 

[Auldbenches]

1 minute ago, Dazo said:

Absolutely. Isn’t really achieving anything though is it ? It’s creates the impression she is just trying to be different with no benefit imo. 

Sadly the whole uk has played politics with all this.  Pathetic from anyone trying to gain political advantage because of this.  I include opposition parties in this as well.  

[Dazo]

7 minutes ago, Auldbenches said:

Sadly the whole uk has played politics with all this.  Pathetic from anyone trying to gain political advantage because of this.  I include opposition parties in this as well.  

True, not all as stupid as this move appears to be though. 

[Auldbenches]

2 minutes ago, Dazo said:

True, not all as stupid as this move appears to be though. 

Things like these show that it isn't the medical experts making these decisions as there would be consistency.  

How can any politician know more than a scientist when it comes to this?  

 

[Don Dan]

When they change the travel regs it’s at 4am on a particular date. 
Anyone with a modicum of common sense would use the same time, 4 am, to implement the change. Unfortunately common sense and politicians are not common bedfellows. 

[CJGJ]

Sometimes you just shake your head at the logic used for non vaccination......what does not smoking or drinking have to do with catching Covid ?....just stupidity of thought but it seems he has come through it and pleased for that.

 

'One of those young people who has spent time in intensive care is George McLean. He's 32 and he's lucky to be alive.

He tested positive for the virus earlier this month after developing a "bit of a cough", but he was taken to Aberdeen Royal Infirmary by ambulance after he "got worse and worse and worse".

Struggling to breathe properly, he was rushed to ICU while his family and partner were informed he might have to be put into an induced coma.

It was overwhelming. He admits he was petrified.

"I've got four kids, I'm 32 years old, work every day, don't drink, don't smoke - didn't think it would be me," he said.

He had missed his appointment for a Covid jab and didn't consider rearranging.

"I've known many people who have had Covid and they've been fine, not even been to hospital, been off work for a couple of days and they're fine. I didn't think it would be as bad as what it was," he said.

In ICU, he had to lie on his front for three days and have full-face ventilation. It was uncomfortable but he avoided having to be put into a coma.

"They were dead professional, I was well looked after," he said. "I'm glad I was in the right place".'

[Nucky Thompson]

3 minutes ago, CJGJ said:

Sometimes you just shake your head at the logic used for non vaccination......what does not smoking or drinking have to do with catching Covid ?....just stupidity of thought but it seems he has come through it and pleased for that.

 

'One of those young people who has spent time in intensive care is George McLean. He's 32 and he's lucky to be alive.

He tested positive for the virus earlier this month after developing a "bit of a cough", but he was taken to Aberdeen Royal Infirmary by ambulance after he "got worse and worse and worse".

Struggling to breathe properly, he was rushed to ICU while his family and partner were informed he might have to be put into an induced coma.

It was overwhelming. He admits he was petrified.

"I've got four kids, I'm 32 years old, work every day, don't drink, don't smoke - didn't think it would be me," he said.

He had missed his appointment for a Covid jab and didn't consider rearranging.

"I've known many people who have had Covid and they've been fine, not even been to hospital, been off work for a couple of days and they're fine. I didn't think it would be as bad as what it was," he said.

In ICU, he had to lie on his front for three days and have full-face ventilation. It was uncomfortable but he avoided having to be put into a coma.

"They were dead professional, I was well looked after," he said. "I'm glad I was in the right place".'

If you don't smoke or drink, most of the time you'll be healthier than those who do.

Maybe he thought if he caught it, he would just brush it off

[CJGJ]

4 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

If you don't smoke or drink, most of the time you'll be healthier than those who do.

Maybe he thought if he caught it, he would just brush it off

Ah the American theory

[Jambo-Jimbo]

6 minutes ago, CJGJ said:

Sometimes you just shake your head at the logic used for non vaccination......what does not smoking or drinking have to do with catching Covid ?....just stupidity of thought but it seems he has come through it and pleased for that.

 

'One of those young people who has spent time in intensive care is George McLean. He's 32 and he's lucky to be alive.

He tested positive for the virus earlier this month after developing a "bit of a cough", but he was taken to Aberdeen Royal Infirmary by ambulance after he "got worse and worse and worse".

Struggling to breathe properly, he was rushed to ICU while his family and partner were informed he might have to be put into an induced coma.

It was overwhelming. He admits he was petrified.

"I've got four kids, I'm 32 years old, work every day, don't drink, don't smoke - didn't think it would be me," he said.

He had missed his appointment for a Covid jab and didn't consider rearranging.

"I've known many people who have had Covid and they've been fine, not even been to hospital, been off work for a couple of days and they're fine. I didn't think it would be as bad as what it was," he said.

In ICU, he had to lie on his front for three days and have full-face ventilation. It was uncomfortable but he avoided having to be put into a coma.

"They were dead professional, I was well looked after," he said. "I'm glad I was in the right place".'

 

Seen that on Reporting Scotland tonight, they were saying that Aberdeen ICU is being filled with young fit healthy 20's 30's & 40 somethings, none of whom have had the vaccine.  There will no doubts be many reasons why they haven't had a covid vaccine.

I do wonder how many other hospitals are seeing the same thing, ICU's being filled up with young unvaccinated people.

[JudyJudyJudy]

28 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Seen that on Reporting Scotland tonight, they were saying that Aberdeen ICU is being filled with young fit healthy 20's 30's & 40 somethings, none of whom have had the vaccine.  There will no doubts be many reasons why they haven't had a covid vaccine.

I do wonder how many other hospitals are seeing the same thing, ICU's being filled up with young unvaccinated people.

Check that stats it’s still mainly over 65 years old dying