Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 minute ago, redjambo said:

The latest trend stats:

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	WHO		Today	Yesterday			2 Oct	1 Oct	30 Sep	29 Sep	28 Sep	...	1 Sep
Scotland	4		316	322	-6		331	345	363	383	394	...	747
West Lothian	4		467	479	-12		489	504	527	521	532	...	668
North Lanarkshire	4		433	432	+1		434	442	462	486	498	...	1261
Falkirk	4		411	415	-4		409	421	432	459	471	...	690
Dundee City	4		402	407	-5		407	427	469	495	514	...	697
South Ayrshire	4		399	430	-31		467	541	572	593	608	...	658
East Ayrshire	4		387	388	-1		404	440	510	562	586	...	627
North Ayrshire	4		384	409	-25		428	441	459	469	492	...	772
East Dunbartonshire	4		367	365	+2		383	382	375	404	429	...	1150
Fife	4		363	375	-12		386	407	435	470	469	...	597
South Lanarkshire	4		358	364	-6		378	382	398	396	406	...	1013
West Dunbartonshire	4		353	369	-16		393	437	453	530	588	...	1105
East Renfrewshire	4		338	332	+6		335	354	373	372	389	...	1080
Aberdeenshire	4		335	330	+5		336	339	347	380	387	...	424
Dumfries & Galloway	4		328	328	0		351	361	370	372	358	...	620
Stirling	4		328	327	+1		338	366	377	389	374	...	628
Renfrewshire	4		327	331	-4		341	371	393	413	421	...	1041
Na h-Eileanan Siar	4		321	317	+4		260	234	234	200	185	...	170
Inverclyde	4		308	328	-20		345	365	379	388	387	...	1238
Glasgow City	4		302	303	-1		312	328	347	368	384	...	989
Midlothian	4		298	294	+4		312	327	369	395	392	...	754
Moray	4		295	260	+35		250	231	226	228	218	...	183
Clackmannanshire	4		292	281	+11		300	328	365	427	458	...	704
Aberdeen City	4		266	266	0		284	292	288	312	322	...	414
Argyll & Bute	4		261	280	-19		283	304	298	307	335	...	712
Perth & Kinross	4		253	276	-23		280	304	334	369	405	...	297
East Lothian	4		228	244	-16		252	265	272	272	263	...	604
Scottish Borders	4		225	215	+10		200	188	216	211	223	...	430
Edinburgh City	4		208	218	-10		231	238	255	282	286	...	722
Angus	4		192	207	-15		220	234	259	274	305	...	430
Highland	4		175	168	+7		170	168	169	187	194	...	531
Shetland Islands	3		105	83	+22		74	70	57	52	57	...	262
Orkney Islands	3		58	49	+9		49	85	85	63	80	...	67
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			2 Oct	1 Oct	30 Sep	29 Sep	28 Sep	...	1 Sep
Tests			34194	34707	-513		34990	35457	36268	37270	38304	...	46368
Cases			2469	2514	-45		2587	2694	2833	2992	3078	...	5832
Positivity rate %			7.8	7.8	0.0		8.0	8.2	8.4	8.6	8.6	...	13.3
Deaths			19	19	0		19	19	21	22	22	...	6
All Vaccinations			7651	7112	+539		6583	6572	6130	6087	6098	...	15364
1st Dose			5189	4531	+658		3879	3705	3378	3358	3391	...	2844
2nd Dose			2462	2581	-119		2704	2867	2752	2729	2707	...	12520
All in hospital			995	997	-2		1003	1009	1013	1021	1029	...	524
Non-ICU			925	926	-1		931	935	937	944	950	...	473
ICU			70	71	-1		72	74	76	77	79	...	51

👍

[Fxxx the SPFL]

1 hour ago, redjambo said:

The latest trend stats:

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	WHO		Today	Yesterday			2 Oct	1 Oct	30 Sep	29 Sep	28 Sep	...	1 Sep
Scotland	4		316	322	-6		331	345	363	383	394	...	747
West Lothian	4		467	479	-12		489	504	527	521	532	...	668
North Lanarkshire	4		433	432	+1		434	442	462	486	498	...	1261
Falkirk	4		411	415	-4		409	421	432	459	471	...	690
Dundee City	4		402	407	-5		407	427	469	495	514	...	697
South Ayrshire	4		399	430	-31		467	541	572	593	608	...	658
East Ayrshire	4		387	388	-1		404	440	510	562	586	...	627
North Ayrshire	4		384	409	-25		428	441	459	469	492	...	772
East Dunbartonshire	4		367	365	+2		383	382	375	404	429	...	1150
Fife	4		363	375	-12		386	407	435	470	469	...	597
South Lanarkshire	4		358	364	-6		378	382	398	396	406	...	1013
West Dunbartonshire	4		353	369	-16		393	437	453	530	588	...	1105
East Renfrewshire	4		338	332	+6		335	354	373	372	389	...	1080
Aberdeenshire	4		335	330	+5		336	339	347	380	387	...	424
Dumfries & Galloway	4		328	328	0		351	361	370	372	358	...	620
Stirling	4		328	327	+1		338	366	377	389	374	...	628
Renfrewshire	4		327	331	-4		341	371	393	413	421	...	1041
Na h-Eileanan Siar	4		321	317	+4		260	234	234	200	185	...	170
Inverclyde	4		308	328	-20		345	365	379	388	387	...	1238
Glasgow City	4		302	303	-1		312	328	347	368	384	...	989
Midlothian	4		298	294	+4		312	327	369	395	392	...	754
Moray	4		295	260	+35		250	231	226	228	218	...	183
Clackmannanshire	4		292	281	+11		300	328	365	427	458	...	704
Aberdeen City	4		266	266	0		284	292	288	312	322	...	414
Argyll & Bute	4		261	280	-19		283	304	298	307	335	...	712
Perth & Kinross	4		253	276	-23		280	304	334	369	405	...	297
East Lothian	4		228	244	-16		252	265	272	272	263	...	604
Scottish Borders	4		225	215	+10		200	188	216	211	223	...	430
Edinburgh City	4		208	218	-10		231	238	255	282	286	...	722
Angus	4		192	207	-15		220	234	259	274	305	...	430
Highland	4		175	168	+7		170	168	169	187	194	...	531
Shetland Islands	3		105	83	+22		74	70	57	52	57	...	262
Orkney Islands	3		58	49	+9		49	85	85	63	80	...	67
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			2 Oct	1 Oct	30 Sep	29 Sep	28 Sep	...	1 Sep
Tests			34194	34707	-513		34990	35457	36268	37270	38304	...	46368
Cases			2469	2514	-45		2587	2694	2833	2992	3078	...	5832
Positivity rate %			7.8	7.8	0.0		8.0	8.2	8.4	8.6	8.6	...	13.3
Deaths			19	19	0		19	19	21	22	22	...	6
All Vaccinations			7651	7112	+539		6583	6572	6130	6087	6098	...	15364
1st Dose			5189	4531	+658		3879	3705	3378	3358	3391	...	2844
2nd Dose			2462	2581	-119		2704	2867	2752	2729	2707	...	12520
All in hospital			995	997	-2		1003	1009	1013	1021	1029	...	524
Non-ICU			925	926	-1		931	935	937	944	950	...	473
ICU			70	71	-1		72	74	76	77	79	...	51

Cheers Red Auld Reekie fifth lowest even better than the kids and grandkids in Scottish Borders not sure if we should be down there this weekend 😂 

[connlach]

Cases still pretty high in the North East. I know more people now with covid than during the whole pandemic. A few of them not great but just bad cold like symptoms.  

[Footballfirst]

2 hours ago, redjambo said:

Scottish numbers: 4 October 2021

Summary

• 1,760 new cases of COVID-19 reported [-280; down from 2,069 a week ago]
• 19,959 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [-8,714]
  • 9.4% of these were positive [+1.7%]
• 0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends) [-1]
• 67 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-4]
• 1,001 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+36]
• 4,217,940 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 3,847,118 have received their second dose [+9,394; +1,938]

Good to see an increase in the rate of first vaccinations over the past few days.  Appears to mostly accounted for by 12-15 year olds (24% uptake so far). I know that they started with drop in centres but have moved to invites by letter.  It's unusual to see the weekend numbers being higher than the weekday figures but that may be deliberate scheduling of appointments for Saturday/Sunday.

[JimmyCant]

3 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Thanks for clarifying, JC.

 

Why do you think the headline figures are using 'with' rather than 'of' - is it simply sensationalist 'journalism'?

Call me cynical but the more ‘Covid deaths’ there appears to be, the more likely folk are to get vaccinated. It’s also very difficult for a clinician or pathologists to say ‘This man died of Covid’ because actually quite a lot of people who died, did so because Covid made existing conditions far worse, so the primary cause of death would be say CPD but Covid sealed the early fate (of someone who would have died of it eventually anyway)

[JimmyCant]

8 hours ago, Footballfirst said:

The NRS guidance is fairly clear in respect of the recording of deaths (not the daily announcements which only records deaths of patients who have tested positive within the last 28 days, i.e. potentially not the cause).

 

• Deaths involving COVID-19 are defined as those where COVID-19 is mentioned on the death certificate, either as the underlying cause of death or as a contributory cause. Cause of death is coded according to the International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Conditions 10th Revision (ICD-10). The relevant codes included in this publication are U07.1, U07.2, U09.9 and U10.9.

• Figures include deaths where ‘suspected’ or ‘probable’ COVID-19 appears on the death certificate.

 

From the latest weekly NRS stats for 2021 (Week 1-38), Covid was mentioned on the death certificate 4,289 times. Of those, 3,592 had Covid as the underlying cause.  The excess deaths figure for the year to date is 3,213, when compared to the pre covid five year period from 2015-19.

 

The year to date figure for the daily announcements (positive with 28 days of death) was 3748.

 

I don't believe that those figures back up the claim in your last sentence.  

Agreed. I should have used ‘THE significant cause’ rather than ‘A significant cause’

[Captain Canada]

23 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

I don't think many will be surprised by this tbh. There is a lot we haven't been told and the reaction to the "emergence" of Covid, the modelling,  the restrictions, the stats; all have left more questions than answers. Forget the forecasts of miserable winters,  we're in the home straight now and nearly done.  But questions still linger about our approach. 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10052689/Government-condemned-refusing-release-details-key-email-conversations-Covid-origins.html

 

This article suggests it may have been around in May 2019. I've no idea what to believe these days! 

 

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/China-PCR-test-orders-soared-before-first-reported-COVID-case

Edited October 4, 2021 by Captain Canada

[JudyJudyJudy]

11 hours ago, JimmyCant said:

Call me cynical but the more ‘Covid deaths’ there appears to be, the more likely folk are to get vaccinated. It’s also very difficult for a clinician or pathologists to say ‘This man died of Covid’ because actually quite a lot of people who died, did so because Covid made existing conditions far worse, so the primary cause of death would be say CPD but Covid sealed the early fate (of someone who would have died of it eventually anyway)

My friend still insists his dad died of covid . Even though his dad had terminal cancer when admitted to hospital and caught covid in the hospital . He was 98 ! 

1 hour ago, Lord BJ said:

Reading that New Zealand have abandoned their elimination strategy, after accepting it wasn’t possible. They’ have concerns New Zealand is going to get hit very hard now as vaccination levels are so low, little back ground immunity and the delta variant. 
 

Concerns about ability of health services to cope as they transition between plans. 
 

Whilst, Arden seem to be getting a bit of backlash for her approach, recently.  

 

Edited October 5, 2021 by JamesM48

[JudyJudyJudy]

7 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Only thing getting eliminated there will be Ardern’s job whenever they next have an election.

 

To organise is to destroy

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

Well played Dokey 

 

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/16319666/novak-djokovic-banned-australian-open-anti-vaxx/

[The Real Maroonblood]

8 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Well played Dokey 

 

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/16319666/novak-djokovic-banned-australian-open-anti-vaxx/

Top bloke.

[Ray Gin]

9 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Well played Dokey 

 

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/16319666/novak-djokovic-banned-australian-open-anti-vaxx/

 

Great news.

 

[XB52]

1 hour ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Great news.

 

Hopefully the Aussies don't back down but I suspect they will. 

[Victorian]

If you had to guess at a high profile anti-vaxxer,  you would tend to pick an utter fud like Djokovic.  

[Unknown user]

3 hours ago, Lord BJ said:

Reading that New Zealand have abandoned their elimination strategy, after accepting it wasn’t possible. They’ have concerns New Zealand is going to get hit very hard now as vaccination levels are so low, little back ground immunity and the delta variant. 
 

Concerns about ability of health services to cope as they transition between plans. 
 

Whilst, Arden seem to be getting a bit of backlash for her approach, recently. 

 

1 hour ago, jonesy said:

Only thing getting eliminated there will be Ardern’s job whenever they next have an election.

 

To organise is to destroy

 

27 covid deaths in New Zealand.

[The Mighty Thor]

20 minutes ago, Victorian said:

If you had to guess at a high profile anti-vaxxer,  you would tend to pick an utter fud like Djokovic.  

This

[Footballfirst]

8 minutes ago, jonesy said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/long-reads/new-zealand-covid-borders-locked-b1923258.html

 

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/covid-new-zealand-australia-latest-looking-home-frustrated-1107701

 

It's not just about CV19 deaths, though, izzit, Smiffy?

 

People's lives - the ones they are innocently trying to live - have been destroyed. The smug sanctimony of the swim-against-the-tide elimination policy was always going to come back to bite 'em. Videos showing how great life was in NZ because they could have concerts while other countries were having lockdowns forgot to take into account the fact that if someone as much as sneezed in Auckland they'd close the place down. Arbitrary nonsense from nonsensical arbiters.

 

All a bit Prince Prospero for my liking.

I would much rather have gone through New Zealand's experience of the last 18 months than that of the UK or Scotland specifically. They haven't tanked their economy and run up eye watering debts to be repaid by future generations.

 

Their only failing was their slow vaccine rollout. 

[Unknown user]

50 minutes ago, jonesy said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/long-reads/new-zealand-covid-borders-locked-b1923258.html

 

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/covid-new-zealand-australia-latest-looking-home-frustrated-1107701

 

It's not just about CV19 deaths, though, izzit, Smiffy?

 

 

 

Of course, but let's not pretend you'd rather your old mum was dead than stressed out.

[Unknown user]

18 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Depends what she gets me for Christmas.

 

Have you asked for an axe or a drum kit too?

[Unknown user]

36 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Depends what she gets me for Christmas.

 

Of course though, you have to feel for people who've got caught up in these things, but at least they've got the rest of their lives to get over it.

[Unknown user]

2 minutes ago, jonesy said:

I don't think it'll ever be possible to honestly compare, but there was an awful lot of lauding of NZ's approach from those who were in favour of a cautious approach in much the same way that those who advocated a more libertarian approach were wooed by Sweden's early stance. Ultimately, it has proven to be a mix of effective but flawed, much like everywhere else's.

 

Geography, domestic politics, economics and people's level of tolerance (and cultural traditions of obeying certain laws) all have a massive part to play in evaluating effectiveness, but that evaluation will always have a subjective element to it.

 

Sweden - 14,864 deaths

 

NZ - 27 deaths

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

2 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Of course though, you have to feel for people who've got caught up in these things, but at least they've got the rest of their lives to get over it.

 

not if they’re dead from something else 

 

a lot of people who succumbed to covid were on the spectrum of dying within 12 months or something so plenty will have died just not of covid and arguably lost out in ‘quality’ of life at the end

 

That’s  not say to nz got it right or wrong - it’s too complex for that now (if ever)

[Unknown user]

1 minute ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

 

not if they’re dead from something else 

 

a lot of people who succumbed to covid were on the spectrum of dying within 12 months or something so plenty will have died just not of covid and arguably lost out in ‘quality’ of life at the end

 

That’s  not say to nz got it right or wrong - it’s too complex for that now (if ever)

 

NZ got it right for me, seems pretty obvious if I was being honest with you.

[indianajones]

Folk still labeling people that chose not to have the covid jab anti-vaxxers? 

 

Jesus wept.

[Unknown user]

1 minute ago, indianajones said:

Folk still labeling people that chose not to have the covid jab anti-vaxxers? 

 

Jesus wept.

 

Aren't they referring to people who are anti vaccination?

 

BTW you should update your sig to also include this summer

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

15 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

NZ got it right for me, seems pretty obvious if I was being honest with you.

 

i wouldn’t be disagreeing with you necessarily

 

they did have some exceptional geographical advantages which they appeared to make very good use of

 

without reference to excess deaths / future potential excess deaths and various other factors i would say the “seems pretty obvious” is a bit P7 analysis to be honest

 

proper analysis might show that nz apparent rightness may turn out to be actual (however actual is defined) - definitely not saying that can’t be the case

[Unknown user]

2 minutes ago, jonesy said:

 

We've already had the discussion on here about the veracity of the lurid red-top death stats and their over/under reporting.

 

Hopefully long-term lessons can be learned about how to deal with this sort of situation that improves outcomes for all.

 

 

Of course, but this isn't close. No one's fudging that difference.

[indianajones]

Just now, Smithee said:

 

Aren't they referring to people who are anti vaccination?

 

BTW you should update your sig to also include this summer

 

I could be wrong with my thoughts Smithee but I think that 'anti-vaxxers' were around way before covid and are similar to the earth is flat mob/other conspiracy mobs.

 

It fairly seems like the people who chose not to take the C19 vaccine are being lumped into that category which doesn't seem right to be honest. From what i have read (could be wrong again), Djokovic isn't an anti-vaxxer. He just chose not to have the c19 jag. 

 

A quote from the video Gordon narrates would go well under the sig in fairness. Going to watch that tear jerker again. 

[indianajones]

1 minute ago, jonesy said:

If we can't apply derogatory labels to those with differing opinions, how can we accurately understand them and their views?

 

Good point Jonesy. 

 

Let the sheep vs anti-vaxxer battle commence. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 hours ago, jonesy said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/long-reads/new-zealand-covid-borders-locked-b1923258.html

 

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/covid-new-zealand-australia-latest-looking-home-frustrated-1107701

 

It's not just about CV19 deaths, though, izzit, Smiffy?

 

People's lives - the ones they are innocently trying to live - have been destroyed. The smug sanctimony of the swim-against-the-tide elimination policy was always going to come back to bite 'em. Videos showing how great life was in NZ because they could have concerts while other countries were having lockdowns forgot to take into account the fact that if someone as much as sneezed in Auckland they'd close the place down. Arbitrary nonsense from nonsensical arbiters.

 

All a bit Prince Prospero for my liking.

Well said . Their strategy was always going to go tits up , it was just a matter of time . 

27 minutes ago, indianajones said:

Folk still labeling people that chose not to have the covid jab anti-vaxxers? 

 

Jesus wept.

I know it’s pathetic really . Makes the one who call then it feel smug and superior I guess. 

4 minutes ago, jonesy said:

If we can't apply derogatory labels to those with differing opinions, how can we accurately understand them and their views?

They aren’t interested in their views . They mean nothing . They are invalid . 

[XB52]

33 minutes ago, indianajones said:

Folk still labeling people that chose not to have the covid jab anti-vaxxers? 

 

Jesus wept.

There's a big difference between the flat earth anti-vaxxers and those who had doubts about getting jagged. Having said that, if you choose not to have the vaccine then you choose not to have the same freedom to go places as the double jagged have. 

[Unknown user]

9 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Well said . Their strategy was always going to go tits up , it was just a matter of time . 

 

When do you reckon that will be?

[Beni]

26 minutes ago, indianajones said:

 

I could be wrong with my thoughts Smithee but I think that 'anti-vaxxers' were around way before covid and are similar to the earth is flat mob/other conspiracy mobs.

 

It fairly seems like the people who chose not to take the C19 vaccine are being lumped into that category which doesn't seem right to be honest. From what i have read (could be wrong again), Djokovic isn't an anti-vaxxer. He just chose not to have the c19 jag. 

 

A quote from the video Gordon narrates would go well under the sig in fairness. Going to watch that tear jerker again. 

 

Djokovic makes the flat earthers look like well researched empiricists.

 

“I’ve seen people and I know some people that, through that energetical (sic) transformation, through the power of prayer, through the power of gratitude, they manage to turn the most toxic food or the most polluted water, into the most healing water.

“Because water reacts and scientists have proven that, that molecules in the water react to our emotions, to what is being said.  

 

 

https://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis/novak-djokovic-criticised-for-dangerous-conspiracy-theory/news-story/e877371fb101f8abb36531153a9bb893?amp 

[Unknown user]

1 minute ago, Beni said:

 

Djokovic makes the flat earthers look like well researched empiricists.

 

“I’ve seen people and I know some people that, through that energetical (sic) transformation, through the power of prayer, through the power of gratitude, they manage to turn the most toxic food or the most polluted water, into the most healing water.

“Because water reacts and scientists have proven that, that molecules in the water react to our emotions, to what is being said.  

 

 

https://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis/novak-djokovic-criticised-for-dangerous-conspiracy-theory/news-story/e877371fb101f8abb36531153a9bb893?amp 

 

Are those words he actually said?

**** me!

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

33 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

 

Of course, but this isn't close. No one's fudging that difference.

The very size of the difference would be (in all sorts of analysis not just covid) an alarm bell to anyone relatively informed that the comparison might not be like-for-like

 

which of course it isn’t in this case on a number of fronts - once all that complex stuff is normalised and some allowance made for expected future outcomes may return a conclusion that nz approach was in fact ‘right’

 

as I said and Jonesy mentioned - P7 analysis won’t bother with any of that and just go with raw data and a bit of judgement

 

[Victorian]

Waited for his elbow to heal itself... before giving up on that to have medicine/surgery do it instead.

 

How long should one wait on the elbow to self heal?  Obviously not too long... ken like,  when there's tournaments to play in.

 

A charlatan and a tosser.

Edited October 5, 2021 by Victorian

[Ray Gin]

8 minutes ago, Beni said:

 

Djokovic makes the flat earthers look like well researched empiricists.

 

“I’ve seen people and I know some people that, through that energetical (sic) transformation, through the power of prayer, through the power of gratitude, they manage to turn the most toxic food or the most polluted water, into the most healing water.

“Because water reacts and scientists have proven that, that molecules in the water react to our emotions, to what is being said.  

 

 

https://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis/novak-djokovic-criticised-for-dangerous-conspiracy-theory/news-story/e877371fb101f8abb36531153a9bb893?amp 

 

 

 

 

 

[Unknown user]

1 minute ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

The very size of the difference would be (in all sorts of analysis not just covid) an alarm bell to anyone relatively informed that the comparison might not be like-for-like

 

which of course it isn’t in this case on a number of fronts - once all that complex stuff is normalised and some allowance made for expected future outcomes may return a conclusion that nz approach was in fact ‘right’

 

as I said and Jonesy mentioned - P7 analysis won’t bother with any of that and just go with raw data and a bit of judgement

 

 

One kept their borders airtight, the other let people do what they liked with some advice. That's the main reason behind the huge difference. Yeah, there will be other things going on in those numbers, but ffs, that difference isn't down to figure manipulation, and it's not a great look acting like it is.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

11 minutes ago, Beni said:

 

Djokovic makes the flat earthers look like well researched empiricists.

 

“I’ve seen people and I know some people that, through that energetical (sic) transformation, through the power of prayer, through the power of gratitude, they manage to turn the most toxic food or the most polluted water, into the most healing water.

“Because water reacts and scientists have proven that, that molecules in the water react to our emotions, to what is being said.  

 

 

https://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis/novak-djokovic-criticised-for-dangerous-conspiracy-theory/news-story/e877371fb101f8abb36531153a9bb893?amp 

 

Sure that last year he came out with some really bat shit mental stuff, which had many people fearing about his mental health, this was real loony tunes stuff, it was in the news around the time he held that tournament to show that covid was fake or not dangerious or something like that (can't remember what), and a lot of the players & officials ended up catching covid, including Djokovic himself.

[Taffin]

9 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Sure that last year he came out with some really bat shit mental stuff, which had many people fearing about his mental health, this was real loony tunes stuff, it was in the news around the time he held that tournament to show that covid was fake or not dangerious or something like that (can't remember what), and a lot of the players & officials ended up catching covid, including Djokovic himself.

 

The guy is certainly a bit odd in my opinion but regards the bit in bold; he then went on to win more grand slams and continues to compete at the absolute top level of sport...I can see why he maybe considers he doesn't need the vaccine given it didn't seem to cause him many issues.

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

The guy is certainly a bit odd in my opinion but regards the bit in bold; he then went on to win more grand slams and continues to compete at the absolute top level of sport...I can see why he maybe considers he doesn't need the vaccine given it didn't seem to cause him many issues.

He’s had covid . He’s fit as a fiddle . Slim to no chance of croaking it frok

covid with it without the vaccine . Here’s another death of a double vaccinated person 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/oct/04/bridgerton-emmy-winner-marc-pilcher-dies-covid?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3sQBgtNspjLbPBe9wbE0SGcOfba-JM436h49qmBbf7v3XJB81MDVnF7wc#Echobox=1633425510

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 hours ago, jonesy said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/long-reads/new-zealand-covid-borders-locked-b1923258.html

 

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/covid-new-zealand-australia-latest-looking-home-frustrated-1107701

 

It's not just about CV19 deaths, though, izzit, Smiffy?

 

People's lives - the ones they are innocently trying to live - have been destroyed. The smug sanctimony of the swim-against-the-tide elimination policy was always going to come back to bite 'em. Videos showing how great life was in NZ because they could have concerts while other countries were having lockdowns forgot to take into account the fact that if someone as much as sneezed in Auckland they'd close the place down. Arbitrary nonsense from nonsensical arbiters.

 

All a bit Prince Prospero for my liking.

 

2 hours ago, Smithee said:

 

Of course, but let's not pretend you'd rather your old mum was dead than stressed out.

looks like their economy has went tits up
 

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/business-54186359.amp

[redjambo]

Scottish numbers: 5 October 2021

Summary

• 2,056 new cases of COVID-19 reported [+296; down from 2,370 a week ago]
• 21,358 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [+1,399]
  • 10.3% of these were positive [+0.9%]
• 21 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [+21]
• 65 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-2]
• 998 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-3]
• 4,223,719 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 3,849,656 have received their second dose [+5,779; +2,538]

[Ray Gin]

11 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

He’s had covid . He’s fit as a fiddle . Slim to no chance of croaking it frok

covid with it without the vaccine . Here’s another death of a double vaccinated person 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/oct/04/bridgerton-emmy-winner-marc-pilcher-dies-covid?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3sQBgtNspjLbPBe9wbE0SGcOfba-JM436h49qmBbf7v3XJB81MDVnF7wc#Echobox=1633425510

 

You're using someone who died of Covid despite having had both doses as an example of how there's next to no chance of croaking it from Covid, with or without being vaccinated?

 

It is nice to see you sharing something with this message though: 
 

"“Please also use this as a reminder that Covid is still a very real and present danger, please get vaccinated and mask up to protect yourself and others.”"

 

Edited October 5, 2021 by Ray Gin

[Unknown user]

4 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

 

looks like their economy has went tits up
 

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/business-54186359.amp

 

Still got their old mum though

[redjambo]

The latest trend stats:

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	WHO		Today	Yesterday			3 Oct	2 Oct	1 Oct	30 Sep	29 Sep	...	1 Sep
Scotland	4		311	316	-5		322	331	345	363	383	...	747
West Lothian	4		469	467	+2		479	489	504	527	521	...	668
North Lanarkshire	4		414	433	-19		432	434	442	462	486	...	1261
Dundee City	4		396	402	-6		407	407	427	469	495	...	697
East Ayrshire	4		395	387	+8		388	404	440	510	562	...	627
Falkirk	4		395	411	-16		415	409	421	432	459	...	690
East Dunbartonshire	4		377	367	+10		365	383	382	375	404	...	1150
Stirling	4		361	328	+33		327	338	366	377	389	...	628
South Lanarkshire	4		358	358	0		364	378	382	398	396	...	1013
Fife	4		353	363	-10		375	386	407	435	470	...	597
North Ayrshire	4		353	384	-31		409	428	441	459	469	...	772
West Dunbartonshire	4		349	353	-4		369	393	437	453	530	...	1105
East Renfrewshire	4		341	338	+3		332	335	354	373	372	...	1080
South Ayrshire	4		334	399	-65		430	467	541	572	593	...	658
Aberdeenshire	4		331	335	-4		330	336	339	347	380	...	424
Dumfries & Galloway	4		324	328	-4		328	351	361	370	372	...	620
Renfrewshire	4		314	327	-13		331	341	371	393	413	...	1041
Na h-Eileanan Siar	4		309	321	-12		317	260	234	234	200	...	170
Moray	4		308	295	+13		260	250	231	226	228	...	183
Glasgow City	4		304	302	+2		303	312	328	347	368	...	989
Midlothian	4		286	298	-12		294	312	327	369	395	...	754
Clackmannanshire	4		283	292	-9		281	300	328	365	427	...	704
Inverclyde	4		279	308	-29		328	345	365	379	388	...	1238
Aberdeen City	4		270	266	+4		266	284	292	288	312	...	414
Argyll & Bute	4		256	261	-5		280	283	304	298	307	...	712
Perth & Kinross	4		251	253	-2		276	280	304	334	369	...	297
Scottish Borders	4		240	225	+15		215	200	188	216	211	...	430
East Lothian	4		231	228	+3		244	252	265	272	272	...	604
Edinburgh City	4		194	208	-14		218	231	238	255	282	...	722
Angus	4		191	192	-1		207	220	234	259	274	...	430
Highland	4		167	175	-8		168	170	168	169	187	...	531
Shetland Islands	3		118	105	+13		83	74	70	57	52	...	262
Orkney Islands	3		58	58	0		49	49	85	85	63	...	67
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			3 Oct	2 Oct	1 Oct	30 Sep	29 Sep	...	1 Sep
Tests			33830	34194	-364		34707	34990	35457	36268	37270	...	46368
Cases			2425	2469	-44		2514	2587	2694	2833	2992	...	5832
Positivity rate %			7.7	7.8	-0.1		7.8	8.0	8.2	8.4	8.6	...	13.3
Deaths			19	19	0		19	19	19	21	22	...	6
All Vaccinations			8043	7651	+392		7112	6583	6572	6130	6087	...	15364
1st Dose			5592	5189	+403		4531	3879	3705	3378	3358	...	2844
2nd Dose			2451	2462	-11		2581	2704	2867	2752	2729	...	12520
All in hospital			990	995	-5		997	1003	1009	1013	1021	...	524
Non-ICU			922	925	-3		926	931	935	937	944	...	473
ICU			68	70	-2		71	72	74	76	77	...	51

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

46 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

One kept their borders airtight, the other let people do what they liked with some advice. That's the main reason behind the huge difference. Yeah, there will be other things going on in those numbers, but ffs, that difference isn't down to figure manipulation, and it's not a great look acting like it is.

U don’t really appreciate the complexities - I get that (to use a well worn phrase)

 

we’ll agree to (partially) disagree 

[The Real Maroonblood]

Just now, redjambo said:

The latest trend stats:

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	WHO		Today	Yesterday			3 Oct	2 Oct	1 Oct	30 Sep	29 Sep	...	1 Sep
Scotland	4		311	316	-5		322	331	345	363	383	...	747
West Lothian	4		469	467	+2		479	489	504	527	521	...	668
North Lanarkshire	4		414	433	-19		432	434	442	462	486	...	1261
Dundee City	4		396	402	-6		407	407	427	469	495	...	697
East Ayrshire	4		395	387	+8		388	404	440	510	562	...	627
Falkirk	4		395	411	-16		415	409	421	432	459	...	690
East Dunbartonshire	4		377	367	+10		365	383	382	375	404	...	1150
Stirling	4		361	328	+33		327	338	366	377	389	...	628
South Lanarkshire	4		358	358	0		364	378	382	398	396	...	1013
Fife	4		353	363	-10		375	386	407	435	470	...	597
North Ayrshire	4		353	384	-31		409	428	441	459	469	...	772
West Dunbartonshire	4		349	353	-4		369	393	437	453	530	...	1105
East Renfrewshire	4		341	338	+3		332	335	354	373	372	...	1080
South Ayrshire	4		334	399	-65		430	467	541	572	593	...	658
Aberdeenshire	4		331	335	-4		330	336	339	347	380	...	424
Dumfries & Galloway	4		324	328	-4		328	351	361	370	372	...	620
Renfrewshire	4		314	327	-13		331	341	371	393	413	...	1041
Na h-Eileanan Siar	4		309	321	-12		317	260	234	234	200	...	170
Moray	4		308	295	+13		260	250	231	226	228	...	183
Glasgow City	4		304	302	+2		303	312	328	347	368	...	989
Midlothian	4		286	298	-12		294	312	327	369	395	...	754
Clackmannanshire	4		283	292	-9		281	300	328	365	427	...	704
Inverclyde	4		279	308	-29		328	345	365	379	388	...	1238
Aberdeen City	4		270	266	+4		266	284	292	288	312	...	414
Argyll & Bute	4		256	261	-5		280	283	304	298	307	...	712
Perth & Kinross	4		251	253	-2		276	280	304	334	369	...	297
Scottish Borders	4		240	225	+15		215	200	188	216	211	...	430
East Lothian	4		231	228	+3		244	252	265	272	272	...	604
Edinburgh City	4		194	208	-14		218	231	238	255	282	...	722
Angus	4		191	192	-1		207	220	234	259	274	...	430
Highland	4		167	175	-8		168	170	168	169	187	...	531
Shetland Islands	3		118	105	+13		83	74	70	57	52	...	262
Orkney Islands	3		58	58	0		49	49	85	85	63	...	67
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			3 Oct	2 Oct	1 Oct	30 Sep	29 Sep	...	1 Sep
Tests			33830	34194	-364		34707	34990	35457	36268	37270	...	46368
Cases			2425	2469	-44		2514	2587	2694	2833	2992	...	5832
Positivity rate %			7.7	7.8	-0.1		7.8	8.0	8.2	8.4	8.6	...	13.3
Deaths			19	19	0		19	19	19	21	22	...	6
All Vaccinations			8043	7651	+392		7112	6583	6572	6130	6087	...	15364
1st Dose			5592	5189	+403		4531	3879	3705	3378	3358	...	2844
2nd Dose			2451	2462	-11		2581	2704	2867	2752	2729	...	12520
All in hospital			990	995	-5		997	1003	1009	1013	1021	...	524
Non-ICU			922	925	-3		926	931	935	937	944	...	473
ICU			68	70	-2		71	72	74	76	77	...	51

👍

[Unknown user]

18 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

U don’t really appreciate the complexities - I get that (to use a well worn phrase)

 

we’ll agree to (partially) disagree 

 

Mon then, what do you appreciate about the complexities of these stats that I don't?

[Pasquale for King]

4 hours ago, Smithee said:

 

 

27 covid deaths in New Zealand.

I’m not sure how anyone can criticise NZ or Arden compared to 200k deaths in the U.K.?