Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[The Real Maroonblood]

2 hours ago, redjambo said:

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	WHO		Today	Yesterday			29 Sep	28 Sep	27 Sep	26 Sep	25 Sep	...	1 Sep
Scotland	4		345	363	-18		383	394	403	419	442	...	747
South Ayrshire	4		541	572	-31		593	608	575	589	629	...	658
West Lothian	4		504	527	-23		521	532	520	519	529	...	668
North Lanarkshire	4		442	462	-20		486	498	521	558	587	...	1261
North Ayrshire	4		441	459	-18		469	492	480	498	524	...	772
East Ayrshire	4		440	510	-70		562	586	602	623	650	...	627
West Dunbartonshire	4		437	453	-16		530	588	609	674	726	...	1105
Dundee City	4		427	469	-42		495	514	508	513	542	...	697
Falkirk	4		421	432	-11		459	471	458	471	522	...	690
Fife	4		407	435	-28		470	469	484	488	513	...	597
East Dunbartonshire	4		382	375	+7		404	429	477	492	513	...	1150
South Lanarkshire	4		382	398	-16		396	406	434	461	481	...	1013
Renfrewshire	4		371	393	-22		413	421	438	475	511	...	1041
Stirling	4		366	377	-11		389	374	386	401	419	...	628
Inverclyde	4		365	379	-14		388	387	384	405	437	...	1238
Dumfries & Galloway	4		361	370	-9		372	358	351	361	355	...	620
East Renfrewshire	4		354	373	-19		372	389	385	398	430	...	1080
Aberdeenshire	4		339	347	-8		380	387	394	403	417	...	424
Clackmannanshire	4		328	365	-37		427	458	468	507	528	...	704
Glasgow City	4		328	347	-19		368	384	401	432	471	...	989
Midlothian	4		327	369	-42		395	392	393	413	425	...	754
Argyll & Bute	4		304	298	+6		307	335	350	363	387	...	712
Perth & Kinross	4		304	334	-30		369	405	407	403	436	...	297
Aberdeen City	4		292	288	+4		312	322	336	353	362	...	414
East Lothian	4		265	272	-7		272	263	272	274	273	...	604
Edinburgh City	4		238	255	-17		282	286	292	300	313	...	722
Angus	4		234	259	-25		274	305	302	295	291	...	430
Na h-Eileanan Siar	4		234	234	0		200	185	174	158	174	...	170
Moray	4		231	226	+5		228	218	223	224	228	...	183
Scottish Borders	4		188	216	-28		211	223	228	233	267	...	430
Highland	4		168	169	-1		187	194	203	220	243	...	531
Orkney Islands	3		85	85	0		63	80	85	98	112	...	67
Shetland Islands	3		70	57	+13		52	57	57	61	57	...	262
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			29 Sep	28 Sep	27 Sep	26 Sep	25 Sep	...	1 Sep
Tests			35457	36268	-811		37270	38304	38689	39481	41671	...	46368
Cases			2694	2833	-139		2992	3078	3149	3270	3453	...	5832
Positivity rate %			8.2	8.4	-0.2		8.6	8.6	8.8	8.9	8.9	...	13.3
Deaths			19.1	21.4	-2.3		21.7	22.1	22.4	22.3	22.3	...	6.0
All Vaccinations			6572	6130	+442		6087	6098	6158	5988	6104	...	15364
1st Dose			3705	3378	+327		3358	3391	3429	3112	2977	...	2844
2nd Dose			2867	2752	+115		2729	2707	2729	2876	3127	...	12520
All in hospital			1009	1013	-4		1021	1029	1040	1050	1060	...	524
Non-ICU			935	937	-2		944	950	958	965	972	...	473
ICU			74	76	-2		77	79	82	85	88	...	51

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[Footballfirst]

1 hour ago, **** the SPFL said:

They are but although covid is on death certificate they still could have died of natural causes 

Covid isn't put on a death certificate simply because someone has tested positive.  It is listed either as a primary cause of death or a contributory factor, e.g. someone may have had a history of pulmonary disease (say chronic bronchitis) and been admitted to hospital on previous occasions but recovered after treatment (oxygen etc). If they are admitted to hospital with similar symtoms, but are also confirmed to have Covid, however don't recover this time, then the primary cause of death may still be recorded as pulmonary disease with Covid as a contributory factor.  It's all down to the doctor's assessment.

[Victorian]

1 hour ago, NANOJAMBO said:

Some potential good news.

https://www.statnews.com/2021/10/01/mercks-antiviral-pill-reduces-hospitalization-of-covid-patients-a-possible-game-changer-for-treatment/

 

 

An investigational antiviral pill reduced the chances that patients newly diagnosed with Covid-19 would be hospitalized by about 50%, a finding that could give doctors a desperately needed new way to treat the sick, the drug maker Merck announced Friday.

 

A five-day course of molnupiravir, developed by Merck and Ridgeback Biotherapeutics, reduced both hospitalization and death compared to a placebo. In the placebo group, 53 patients, or 14.1%, were hospitalized or died. For those who received the drug, 28, or 7.3%, were hospitalized or died.

A simple oral medication to help treat Covid-19 has been an elusive goal since the start of the pandemic. Other drugs, including Gilead’s remdesivir, have also been shown to reduce hospitalizations if given early in the course of disease, but must be given intravenously.

“If this pans out, it will change the landscape,” said Andy Pavia, chief of the Division of Pediatric Infectious Diseases at University of Utah. “There’s still a lot we need to know. What does the side effect profile look like? Do we know how to dose it in populations that are different such as children and the obese? But as a top-line result, this is definitely exciting.”

 

Related: 

Scientists work toward an elusive dream: a simple pill to treat Covid-19

If approved, molnupiravir could have a dramatic impact on efforts to fight the pandemic. Merck and Ridgeback said they would seek an emergency use authorization from the Food and Drug Administration “as soon as possible” and would submit it to regulatory agencies worldwide.

The data from the study were made public in a press release and have not yet been peer-reviewed. But even top-line figures were encouraging. In the first 29 days of the study, there were no deaths reported in the group treated with molnupiravir and eight deaths reported among patients who received placebo.

 

Patients in the study had mild-to-moderate Covid-19, were within five days of symptom onset when dosed, and had at least one risk factor associated with poor disease outcomes.

The study was stopped early on the recommendation of an independent data monitoring committee and in consultation with the FDA, Merck said. Such committees are charged with making sure studies are in the best interest of patients, and recommend they be stopped if it is clear a drug is effective.

 

Only limited information on side effects was made public in the press release, but the companies said rates were similar between the placebo group and the treated group. An adverse event, or bad outcome, occurred in 35% of those who received molnupiravir and 40% of those who received placebo. Only 1.3% of molnupiravir-treated subjects discontinued the drug because of an adverse event, compared to 3.4% who discontinued placebo.

 

“When people talk about endemic Covid and the future of Covid, they don’t spend as much time talking about the value of intervening early to reduce severity of disease and that’s a very valuable tool,” said Natalie Dean, an assistant professor of biostatistics at Emory University who studies infectious disease. “The more accessible that can be, the more effective it can be.”

In an interview, Dean Li, Merck’s head of research and development, said that no particular side effect stood out as being more common with the drug, but more complete data will be available at a later date.

 

That would be a powerful tool.  Possibly 50% protection against hospitalisations + a future herd immunity controlled endemic virus would massively insure against the NHS being too burdened by covid.  Potentially that kind of range of protections will enable an absolute return to normal.

[Auldbenches]

5 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

“ Conned “ a man ? Nope .

 

Advised him or supported him to Make his own decision about his health ?

 

Maybe

 

 It’s clear That he was able to make that choice as the hospital could easily have stopped him if they believed he did not have the capacity to make his own decision about his treatment . He was  able to .

 

Morally it’s not a pleasant story at all really but we can only assume that the man was not vulnerable enough to be stopped from leaving the hospital . We don’t know the conversations he had or his wishes . It’s a half story . 
 

if his family were so concerned where were they ? Shouldn’t they have been there to stop it. ? Again they would not have been able to since the patient must have been deemed To be able to make his own decisions about his health . 
 

Your clearly looking for a “ rise “ as usual due to your crusade against people who are Making choices about their own body , pro choices but more known by their negative label of “  anti vaxxer” .   
 

The patient made a choice which turned out to be a very bad one . 

 

 

Confirmation bias at it's ignorant worse.  He was persuaded by a philistine. 

With hindsight, would you still think it's ok to persuade someone to make the same decision? 

[JudyJudyJudy]

Just now, Auldbenches said:

Confirmation bias at it's ignorant worse.  He was persuaded by a philistine. 

With hindsight, would you still think it's ok to persuade someone to make the same decision? 

How the hell do you know he was persuaded by a “ philistine “ ? Tell me where it says that or is it just yout confirmation bias ! Your making inferences which May not be there.  There’s also a horrible element of ageism about your view . Just because he was 67 it doesn’t mean to say he was senile or demented . 

[Auldbenches]

2 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

How the hell do you know he was persuaded by a “ philistine “ ? Tell me where it says that or is it just yout confirmation bias ! Your making inferences which May not be there.  There’s also a horrible element of ageism about your view . Just because he was 67 it doesn’t mean to say he was senile or demented . 

The guy died that's why.  What more do you need? 

The guy obviously didn't know what he was talking about and it led to a death.  

Just stop it...

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, Auldbenches said:

The guy died that's why.  What more do you need? 

The guy obviously didn't know what he was talking about and it led to a death.  

Just stop it...

 

You don’t know that . Stop it . 

[Auldbenches]

1 minute ago, JamesM48 said:

You don’t know that . Stop it . 

With hindsight would you advocate that the anti vaxxer give the same advice?  

We do know that as he lost his life.

If you are going this far to argue about 'choice' I can't be bothered. 

I thought the 1936 German stuff was bad but this a different level of goo goo.  

 

 

[NANOJAMBO]

29 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

That would be a powerful tool.  Possibly 50% protection against hospitalisations + a future herd immunity controlled endemic virus would massively insure against the NHS being too burdened by covid.  Potentially that kind of range of protections will enable an absolute return to normal.

What I was thinking. Early days yet, clearly but the strides made in less than 2 years are remarkable. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

5 minutes ago, Auldbenches said:

With hindsight would you advocate that the anti vaxxer give the same advice?  

We do know that as he lost his life.

If you are going this far to argue about 'choice' I can't be bothered. 

I thought the 1936 German stuff was bad but this a different level of goo goo.  

 

 

Do you not think a 67 years old person can make up his own mind about medical treatment ? If you had read my earlier comments you will know I said that the guy made the wrong choice by leaving the hospital but it was his choice to make and I strongly assume he was competent enough to make it as medical staff would have assessed his capacity to mans this decision. Whether he was swayed by his pro choice mates ? Well that’s not clear at all from the article .

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 hour ago, NANOJAMBO said:

Some potential good news.

https://www.statnews.com/2021/10/01/mercks-antiviral-pill-reduces-hospitalization-of-covid-patients-a-possible-game-changer-for-treatment/

 

 

An investigational antiviral pill reduced the chances that patients newly diagnosed with Covid-19 would be hospitalized by about 50%, a finding that could give doctors a desperately needed new way to treat the sick, the drug maker Merck announced Friday.

 

A five-day course of molnupiravir, developed by Merck and Ridgeback Biotherapeutics, reduced both hospitalization and death compared to a placebo. In the placebo group, 53 patients, or 14.1%, were hospitalized or died. For those who received the drug, 28, or 7.3%, were hospitalized or died.

A simple oral medication to help treat Covid-19 has been an elusive goal since the start of the pandemic. Other drugs, including Gilead’s remdesivir, have also been shown to reduce hospitalizations if given early in the course of disease, but must be given intravenously.

“If this pans out, it will change the landscape,” said Andy Pavia, chief of the Division of Pediatric Infectious Diseases at University of Utah. “There’s still a lot we need to know. What does the side effect profile look like? Do we know how to dose it in populations that are different such as children and the obese? But as a top-line result, this is definitely exciting.”

 

Related: 

Scientists work toward an elusive dream: a simple pill to treat Covid-19

If approved, molnupiravir could have a dramatic impact on efforts to fight the pandemic. Merck and Ridgeback said they would seek an emergency use authorization from the Food and Drug Administration “as soon as possible” and would submit it to regulatory agencies worldwide.

The data from the study were made public in a press release and have not yet been peer-reviewed. But even top-line figures were encouraging. In the first 29 days of the study, there were no deaths reported in the group treated with molnupiravir and eight deaths reported among patients who received placebo.

 

Patients in the study had mild-to-moderate Covid-19, were within five days of symptom onset when dosed, and had at least one risk factor associated with poor disease outcomes.

The study was stopped early on the recommendation of an independent data monitoring committee and in consultation with the FDA, Merck said. Such committees are charged with making sure studies are in the best interest of patients, and recommend they be stopped if it is clear a drug is effective.

 

Only limited information on side effects was made public in the press release, but the companies said rates were similar between the placebo group and the treated group. An adverse event, or bad outcome, occurred in 35% of those who received molnupiravir and 40% of those who received placebo. Only 1.3% of molnupiravir-treated subjects discontinued the drug because of an adverse event, compared to 3.4% who discontinued placebo.

 

“When people talk about endemic Covid and the future of Covid, they don’t spend as much time talking about the value of intervening early to reduce severity of disease and that’s a very valuable tool,” said Natalie Dean, an assistant professor of biostatistics at Emory University who studies infectious disease. “The more accessible that can be, the more effective it can be.”

In an interview, Dean Li, Merck’s head of research and development, said that no particular side effect stood out as being more common with the drug, but more complete data will be available at a later date.

 

But, but, but it's big pharma and it hasn't been tested for 25 years, so we don't know about any long term side-effects. 

 

Hopefully, one more weapon in the arsenal against covid-19, excellent.

[Nucky Thompson]

3 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

But, but, but it's big pharma and it hasn't been tested for 25 years, so we don't know about any long term side-effects. 

 

Hopefully, one more weapon in the arsenal against covid-19, excellent.

I can't understand this 'it's not been tested enough' shite.

I wonder how many diabetics knocked back insulin when it was discovered in 1921?

[Auldbenches]

17 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Do you not think a 67 years old person can make up his own mind about medical treatment ? If you had read my earlier comments you will know I said that the guy made the wrong choice by leaving the hospital but it was his choice to make and I strongly assume he was competent enough to make it as medical staff would have assessed his capacity to mans this decision. Whether he was swayed by his pro choice mates ? Well that’s not clear at all from the article .

So if the guy was responsible for him making that decision he was wrong? 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, Auldbenches said:

So if the guy was responsible for him making that decision he was wrong? 

How can someone be responsible for someone else making their own decision ? He may have advised him or gave his opinion about it but it was up the patient to make that decision 

[Auldbenches]

1 minute ago, JamesM48 said:

How can someone be responsible for someone else making their own decision ? He may have advised him or gave his opinion about it but it was up the patient to make that decision 

You never answered...

What if it was known that it was the advice given that made him take that decision, would it have been wrong? 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, Auldbenches said:

You never answered...

What if it was known that it was the advice given that made him take that decision, would it have been wrong? 

And your not understanding my reply . The patient made his own mind up

about his medical needs . He got advice from the medical team which he listened to But chose to not adhere to . Also he may have died in hospital regardless of his chose . His life his chose . Not yours or mine 

[Auldbenches]

Just now, JamesM48 said:

And your not understanding my reply . The patient made his own mind up

about his medical needs . He got advice from the medical team which he listened to But chose to not adhere to . Also he may have died in hospital regardless of his chose . His life his chose . Not yours or mine 

Take it as a hypothetical question. 

Wrong? 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

14 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

I can't understand this 'it's not been tested enough' shite.

I wonder how many diabetics knocked back insulin when it was discovered in 1921?

 

Exactly, I'd guess most of them don't have a clue the amount of testing which goes on during these trials.

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

9 minutes ago, Auldbenches said:

Take it as a hypothetical question. 

Wrong? 

As I said “ the patient made a choice which turned out to be a bad choice “

[JudyJudyJudy]

10 minutes ago, Auldbenches said:

Take it as a hypothetical question. 

Wrong? 

Since you need something to watch us recommend

 

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083326/

[Auldbenches]

1 minute ago, JamesM48 said:

As I said “ the patient made a choice which turned out to be a bad choice “

Happy Friday. 

[Auldbenches]

3 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Since you need something to watch us recommend

 

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083326/

I'll try again...

With hindsight, would you advise the guy to do the same thing?  Still his decision  

Hypothetical question...

[FWJ]

1 hour ago, JamesM48 said:

How the hell do you know he was persuaded by a “ philistine “ ? Tell me where it says that or is it just yout confirmation bias ! Your making inferences which May not be there.  There’s also a horrible element of ageism about your view . Just because he was 67 it doesn’t mean to say he was senile or demented . 

 

On 21/09/2021 at 13:18, JamesM48 said:

He was 74 years old !!! 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, Auldbenches said:

I'll try again...

With hindsight, would you advise the guy to do the same thing?  Still his decision  

Hypothetical question...

If I had been in that hospital I would have advised the patient to stay there . However he has the right to completely ignore my advise and leave hospital 

[Malinga the Swinga]

42 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

But, but, but it's big pharma and it hasn't been tested for 25 years, so we don't know about any long term side-effects. 

 

Hopefully, one more weapon in the arsenal against covid-19, excellent.

Presumably the people refusing the vaccine would refuse any pill/treatment that would reduce the effects of Covid anyway.

If adults haven't accepted vaccination for any reason other then medical, then hospital staff should be given option as to whether or not they want to care for them. Why should they risk their lives and help people who won't help themselves.

[Auldbenches]

Just now, JamesM48 said:

If I had been in that hospital I would have advised the patient to stay there . However he has the right to completely ignore my advise and leave hospital 

Piss off ageist...

[JudyJudyJudy]

8 minutes ago, FWJ said:

 

 

Yes and that comment was a positive comment about a guy of 74 making his own decision . How tedious to take up old postings . Utterly tragic . Egg on your mush with that one though 

[JudyJudyJudy]

7 minutes ago, Auldbenches said:

Piss off ageist...

What ! 

[JudyJudyJudy]

9 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Presumably the people refusing the vaccine would refuse any pill/treatment that would reduce the effects of Covid anyway.

If adults haven't accepted vaccination for any reason other then medical, then hospital staff should be given option as to whether or not they want to care for them. Why should they risk their lives and help people who won't help themselves.

What about obese people , this who smoke  or drink to excess ? Your argument would also extent to them ! 

[NANOJAMBO]

1 hour ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

But, but, but it's big pharma and it hasn't been tested for 25 years, so we don't know about any long term side-effects. 

 

Hopefully, one more weapon in the arsenal against covid-19, excellent.

😄

 

and also

 

👍

[Malinga the Swinga]

1 minute ago, JamesM48 said:

What about obese people , this who smoke  or drink to excess ? Your argument would also extent to them ! 

Why? They can reduce risk of Covid by taking Covid vaccine. They choose not to, yet expect nursing staff to treat them should they become ill. 

 

Smoking and drinking may play part in Covid, but that is up for debate. Taking the vaccine is proven to reduce your chance of requiring hospitalisation.

[kila]

Despite advising James to buy a vaporiser in another thread, it is probably best he doesn't as his brain is already completely mashed as it is

 

 

[Beni]

6 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

What about obese people , this who smoke  or drink to excess ? Your argument would also extent to them ! 

 

That's a very valid point...

as soon as these become transmissible, but until then

 

[NANOJAMBO]

6 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

What about obese people , this who smoke  or drink to excess ? Your argument would also extent to them ! 

Surgery can be  witheld in all sorts of cases for patients who refuse to help themselves*. 

 

*Their human right. 

[NANOJAMBO]

2 minutes ago, kila said:

Despite advising James to buy a vaporiser in another thread, it is probably best he doesn't as his brain is already completely mashed as it is

 

 

We all know he doesn't really believe it, it's just attention seeking. 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

7 hours ago, Ray Gin said:

Hope they find some sort of criminal charge to hit this cretin with. Conned a man who was being treated into leaving hospital, resulting in him dying days later.
 

Hospital patient, 67, 'saved' by anti-vaxxer dies from COVID
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-patient-saved-hospital-dies-074516908.html

 

Poor man.  

 

I've just watched the video of this, and poor man indeed, he's terrified, he's scared, could well have been in fight or flight mode whereby just wanting to get out of the fearful & stressful situation he finds himself in, and along comes a 'friend' who gives him that option to flee.

 

Whilst Mr. McCarron did choose to leave the hospital, I do wonder what his state of mind was when he made that decision and how much his fear and the prompting from his 'friend' played in the making of that decision.

 

 

 

 

 

[FWJ]

19 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Yes and that comment was a positive comment about a guy of 74 making his own decision . How tedious to take up old postings . Utterly tragic . Egg on your mush with that one though 

Only if we are to ignore all your previous posts and opinions.

Quite hard to keep up with them all TBH.

[NANOJAMBO]

1 hour ago, Nucky Thompson said:

I can't understand this 'it's not been tested enough' shite.

I wonder how many diabetics knocked back insulin when it was discovered in 1921?

When the polio vaccine was wideley available in the UK in the 1950s (and had been for years) the govt couldn't get adults to take up the vaccine, And then this happened ...

 

Jeffrey James Hall (7 September 1929 – 4 April 1959) was an English footballer who played as a right back for Birmingham City and England. It was the death of Hall – a young, fit, international footballer – from polio which helped to kick-start widespread public acceptance in Britain of the need for vaccination

 

So, reluctance on the part of some is understandable but after 70 years (in the case of the polio vaccine, which people now take as  a matter of course) you'd think people would be accustomed to the idea . But hey, the rest of us will do it so they don't have to. 

[Jambof3tornado]

30 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Presumably the people refusing the vaccine would refuse any pill/treatment that would reduce the effects of Covid anyway.

If adults haven't accepted vaccination for any reason other then medical, then hospital staff should be given option as to whether or not they want to care for them. Why should they risk their lives and help people who won't help themselves.

Because we do it everyday. It comes with the territory. Everyone should get treated equally. Might not agree with it but I've never heard any staff comment about treating covid patients whether vaccinated or not.

[NANOJAMBO]

36 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Presumably the people refusing the vaccine would refuse any pill/treatment that would reduce the effects of Covid anyway.

If adults haven't accepted vaccination for any reason other then medical, then hospital staff should be given option as to whether or not they want to care for them. Why should they risk their lives and help people who won't help themselves.

This is what I don't get. This idea that it isn't proven/isn't safe/isn't tested enough.

Do these people apply this test/these tests to EVERY medication/treatment they could possibly exeperience ? No, they don't. The current noise on Covid vaccines is simply "look at me" narcissism. 

[Malinga the Swinga]

7 minutes ago, Jambof3tornado said:

Because we do it everyday. It comes with the territory. Everyone should get treated equally. Might not agree with it but I've never heard any staff comment about treating covid patients whether vaccinated or not.

Most likely because they don't have a choice.  I said I would give them that choice.

[JudyJudyJudy]

22 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Why? They can reduce risk of Covid by taking Covid vaccine. They choose not to, yet expect nursing staff to treat them should they become ill. 

 

Smoking and drinking may play part in Covid, but that is up for debate. Taking the vaccine is proven to reduce your chance of requiring hospitalisation.

I’m talking generally about those who smoke,  drink eat to excess anyway regardless of covid . Should hospitals help them ? 

21 minutes ago, kila said:

Despite advising James to buy a vaporiser in another thread, it is probably best he doesn't as his brain is already completely mashed as it is

 

 

How do u Ken I’m no mashed the night ? 

20 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said:

Surgery can be  witheld in all sorts of cases for patients who refuse to help themselves*. 

 

*Their human right. 

Really ? 

20 minutes ago, Beni said:

 

That's a very valid point...

as soon as these become transmissible, but until then

 

Stop Choring my gifs 😂

19 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said:

We all know he doesn't really believe it, it's just attention seeking. 

 

[NANOJAMBO]

Just now, JamesM48 said:

I’m talking generally about those who smoke,  drink eat to excess anyway regardless of covid . Should hospitals help them ? 

How do u Ken I’m no mashed the night ? 

Really ? 

Stop Choring my gifs 😂

 

Yes , James,  "really". 

I could give you two very different and very specific examples I know of from a personal experience but there isn't much point  because you're not "really" interested and will just move onto your  next shit post. 

[Malinga the Swinga]

2 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said:

This is what I don't get. This idea that it isn't proven/isn't safe/isn't tested enough.

Do these people apply this test/these tests to EVERY medication/treatment they could possibly exeperience ? No, they don't. The current noise on Covid vaccines is simply "look at me" narcissism. 

I presume the guys who are happy to take coke and other drugs do so with full confidence that these drugs are fully tested and safe.

You are right though, it's a desperation to look cool and clever, no more, no less.

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said:

Yes , James,  "really". 

I could give you two very different and very specific examples I know of from a personal experience but there isn't much point  because you're not "really" interested and will just move onto your  next shit post. 

Well come to think of it I met old school pal a month or so ago . She told me she’s got mouth cancer but they won’t op until She cuts down from 60” I said 60’  week isn’t that bad ? She said no 60 a day ! Bloody hell 

[Malinga the Swinga]

4 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

I’m talking generally about those who smoke,  drink eat to excess anyway regardless of covid . Should hospitals help them ? 

Stop Choring my gifs 😂

 

I know you are simply choosing to be difficult and fully understand the difference, but anyway, will give it a try.

You can't infect a nurse through being obese or drinking a lot.

You can infect someone with Covid though, as you are blatantly aware.

No-one is attacking you, despite your desperate attention seeking attempts to act put upon.

It's pity I feel free for you, nothing more, nothing less.

[NANOJAMBO]

Just now, JamesM48 said:

Well come to think of it I met old school pal a month or so ago . She told me she’s got mouth cancer but they won’t op until She cuts down from 60” I said 60’  week isn’t that bad ? She said no 60 a day ! Bloody hell 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

I know you are simply choosing to be difficult and fully understand the difference, but anyway, will give it a try.

You can't infect a nurse through being obese or drinking a lot.

You can infect someone with Covid though, as you are blatantly aware.

No-one is attacking you, despite your desperate attention seeking attempts to act put upon.

It's pity I feel free for you, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, NANOJAMBO said:

No it isn’t ! 

[NANOJAMBO]

2 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

I know you are simply choosing to be difficult and fully understand the difference, but anyway, will give it a try.

You can't infect a nurse through being obese or drinking a lot.

You can infect someone with Covid though, as you are blatantly aware.

No-one is attacking you, despite your desperate attention seeking attempts to act put upon.

It's pity I feel free for you, nothing more, nothing less.