Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[JudyJudyJudy]

Spoiler

 

Anyway must dash it’s frantic Friday . Other half is over soon , I can’t allow any negative vibes to permeate . The food nearly ready . Super Saturday tomorrow then knackered Sunday ! A good night to you all , yes even you , yes you ! 😎😎

Edited October 1, 2021 by JamesM48

[NANOJAMBO]

8 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

No it isn’t ! 

Don't come on here saying people aren't being refused medical treatment because of their choices (when it suits you to say so) and five minutes later contradict yourself with an "oh , hang on , there was that woman " patter. You make assertions that are plain wrong and don't have the good grace to admit it when called out on it. 

Edit : I see you've bailed early. 

Edited October 1, 2021 by NANOJAMBO

[Victorian]

The boy just needs to be in a permanent battle with something,  anything.  Armed with a blunderbuss of pick'n'mix,  upside down and back to front arguments.  ****ing wild tbh.

[Auldbenches]

1 hour ago, JamesM48 said:

What ! 

See post further up by JWL..

[NANOJAMBO]

1 minute ago, Victorian said:

The boy just needs to be in a permanent battle with something,  anything.  Armed with a blunderbuss of pick'n'mix,  upside down and back to front arguments.  ****ing wild tbh.

🤣

[Jambo-Jimbo]

25 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

I presume the guys who are happy to take coke and other drugs do so with full confidence that these drugs are fully tested and safe.

You are right though, it's a desperation to look cool and clever, no more, no less.

 

Of course they do, because that guy they met 5 minutes ago said so, said he had some really good stuff, he wouldn't lie to them, would he?

[Jambof3tornado]

1 hour ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Most likely because they don't have a choice.  I said I would give them that choice.

It just doesn't work that way. Nobody would choose to not treat someone because of decisions they have made.

[NANOJAMBO]

4 minutes ago, Jambof3tornado said:

It just doesn't work that way. Nobody would choose to not treat someone because of decisions they have made.

It does and I know of two specific cases as I've said already.

One involved a morbidly obese  patient and the other an alcoholic who was refused a liver transplant. 

[The Mighty Thor]

1 hour ago, NANOJAMBO said:

This is what I don't get. This idea that it isn't proven/isn't safe/isn't tested enough.

Do these people apply this test/these tests to EVERY medication/treatment they could possibly exeperience ? No, they don't. The current noise on Covid vaccines is simply "look at me" narcissism. 

Indeed.

 

These anti vax/pro choice blowhards would absolutely shite it if they started coughing themselves inside out and would be off to burden the poor feckers at the NHS toute de suite.

 

You can put your life savings on that. 

 

[Fxxx the SPFL]

7 hours ago, Footballfirst said:

Covid isn't put on a death certificate simply because someone has tested positive.  It is listed either as a primary cause of death or a contributory factor, e.g. someone may have had a history of pulmonary disease (say chronic bronchitis) and been admitted to hospital on previous occasions but recovered after treatment (oxygen etc). If they are admitted to hospital with similar symtoms, but are also confirmed to have Covid, however don't recover this time, then the primary cause of death may still be recorded as pulmonary disease with Covid as a contributory factor.  It's all down to the doctor's assessment.

Sorry FF I don’t ever disagree with you but on this occasion I will my wife’s manager’s brother died from a brain haemorrhage after falling in Abbeyhill feck all to do with covid but because he’d tested positive in the 28 days prior Covid was put on his death certificate his sister is still arguing the case 

[Seymour M Hersh]

Are autopsies being carried out on those allegedly dying of CoVid to confirm cause of death? 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 hour ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

Are autopsies being carried out on those allegedly dying of CoVid to confirm cause of death? 

 

I'm pretty sure that if you die in hospital/care home and have been seen by a doctor and or have been an in-patient, then no PM is needed as there will have already been a diagnosis made.

[redjambo]

Scottish numbers: 2 October 2021

Summary

• 2,515 new cases of COVID-19 reported [-178; down from 3,261 a week ago]
• 37,128 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [-3,412]
  • 7.3% of these were positive [+0.1%]
• 17 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [-17]
• 66 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+1]
• 965 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-18]
• 4,199,724 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination and 3,843,000 have received their second dose [+5,512; +2,749]

[NANOJAMBO]

14 hours ago, **** the SPFL said:

Sorry FF I don’t ever disagree with you but on this occasion I will my wife’s manager’s brother died from a brain haemorrhage after falling in Abbeyhill feck all to do with covid but because he’d tested positive in the 28 days prior Covid was put on his death certificate his sister is still arguing the case 

Was Covid a contributory factor in his death or,  had he contracted Covid and recovered from it prior to his fall ? 

[redjambo]

The latest trend stats:

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	WHO		Today	Yesterday			30 Sep	29 Sep	28 Sep	27 Sep	26 Sep	...	1 Sep
Scotland	4		331	345	-14		363	383	394	403	419	...	747
West Lothian	4		489	504	-15		527	521	532	520	519	...	668
South Ayrshire	4		467	541	-74		572	593	608	575	589	...	658
North Lanarkshire	4		434	442	-8		462	486	498	521	558	...	1261
North Ayrshire	4		428	441	-13		459	469	492	480	498	...	772
Falkirk	4		409	421	-12		432	459	471	458	471	...	690
Dundee City	4		407	427	-20		469	495	514	508	513	...	697
East Ayrshire	4		404	440	-36		510	562	586	602	623	...	627
West Dunbartonshire	4		393	437	-44		453	530	588	609	674	...	1105
Fife	4		386	407	-21		435	470	469	484	488	...	597
East Dunbartonshire	4		383	382	+1		375	404	429	477	492	...	1150
South Lanarkshire	4		378	382	-4		398	396	406	434	461	...	1013
Dumfries & Galloway	4		351	361	-10		370	372	358	351	361	...	620
Inverclyde	4		345	365	-20		379	388	387	384	405	...	1238
Renfrewshire	4		341	371	-30		393	413	421	438	475	...	1041
Stirling	4		338	366	-28		377	389	374	386	401	...	628
Aberdeenshire	4		336	339	-3		347	380	387	394	403	...	424
East Renfrewshire	4		335	354	-19		373	372	389	385	398	...	1080
Glasgow City	4		312	328	-16		347	368	384	401	432	...	989
Midlothian	4		312	327	-15		369	395	392	393	413	...	754
Clackmannanshire	4		300	328	-28		365	427	458	468	507	...	704
Aberdeen City	4		284	292	-8		288	312	322	336	353	...	414
Argyll & Bute	4		283	304	-21		298	307	335	350	363	...	712
Perth & Kinross	4		280	304	-24		334	369	405	407	403	...	297
Na h-Eileanan Siar	4		260	234	+26		234	200	185	174	158	...	170
East Lothian	4		252	265	-13		272	272	263	272	274	...	604
Moray	4		250	231	+19		226	228	218	223	224	...	183
Edinburgh City	4		231	238	-7		255	282	286	292	300	...	722
Angus	4		220	234	-14		259	274	305	302	295	...	430
Scottish Borders	4		200	188	+12		216	211	223	228	233	...	430
Highland	4		170	168	+2		169	187	194	203	220	...	531
Shetland Islands	3		74	70	+4		57	52	57	57	61	...	262
Orkney Islands	2		49	85	-36		85	63	80	85	98	...	67
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			30 Sep	29 Sep	28 Sep	27 Sep	26 Sep	...	1 Sep
Tests			34990	35457	-467		36268	37270	38304	38689	39481	...	46368
Cases			2587	2694	-107		2833	2992	3078	3149	3270	...	5832
Positivity rate %			8.0	8.2	-0.2		8.4	8.6	8.6	8.8	8.9	...	13.3
Deaths			19.0	19.1	-0.1		21.4	21.7	22.1	22.4	22.3	...	6.0
All Vaccinations			6583	6572	+11		6130	6087	6098	6158	5988	...	15364
1st Dose			3879	3705	+174		3378	3358	3391	3429	3112	...	2844
2nd Dose			2704	2867	-163		2752	2729	2707	2729	2876	...	12520
All in hospital			1003	1009	-6		1013	1021	1029	1040	1050	...	524
Non-ICU			931	935	-4		937	944	950	958	965	...	473
ICU			72	74	-2		76	77	79	82	85	...	51

[ScotsAndy]

19 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

I've just watched the video of this, and poor man indeed, he's terrified, he's scared, could well have been in fight or flight mode whereby just wanting to get out of the fearful & stressful situation he finds himself in, and along comes a 'friend' who gives him that option to flee.

 

Whilst Mr. McCarron did choose to leave the hospital, I do wonder what his state of mind was when he made that decision and how much his fear and the prompting from his 'friend' played in the making of that decision.

 

As a little more context worthwhile examining the background of the so called pro choice 'friend' of this poor man.  Can't corroborate everything but it does appear he may not be the most wise or informed individual to take advice from. He should be arrested and charged with 'assisted suicide' to be honest.

 

  Antonio Mureddu, aka Antonio Gravegliu, is a member of the Freeman on the Land Movement (FOTL), previously came to the attention of activists in Galway in December 2018. At the time he organised a meeting in support of Italian far-right party Lega Nord.The party takes a tough stance on crime, illegal immigration,[286] especially from Muslim countries, and terrorism. It supports the promotion of immigration from non-Muslim countries in order to protect the "Christian identity" of Italy and Europe, which according to party officials should be based on "Judeo-Christian heritage". The party has been labeled as "nationalist", "xenophobic"[] and "anti-immigration". In 1992, the League was compared by Le Nouvel Observateur to some national populist parties of the European far-right, including France's National Front, the Freedom Party of Austria and the Vlaams Blok, claiming that "the League rejects any association with neo-fascists but plays on themes of xenophobia regionalism and trivial racism"

 

 

19 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

 

 

 

[The Real Maroonblood]

2 hours ago, redjambo said:

The latest trend stats:

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	WHO		Today	Yesterday			30 Sep	29 Sep	28 Sep	27 Sep	26 Sep	...	1 Sep
Scotland	4		331	345	-14		363	383	394	403	419	...	747
West Lothian	4		489	504	-15		527	521	532	520	519	...	668
South Ayrshire	4		467	541	-74		572	593	608	575	589	...	658
North Lanarkshire	4		434	442	-8		462	486	498	521	558	...	1261
North Ayrshire	4		428	441	-13		459	469	492	480	498	...	772
Falkirk	4		409	421	-12		432	459	471	458	471	...	690
Dundee City	4		407	427	-20		469	495	514	508	513	...	697
East Ayrshire	4		404	440	-36		510	562	586	602	623	...	627
West Dunbartonshire	4		393	437	-44		453	530	588	609	674	...	1105
Fife	4		386	407	-21		435	470	469	484	488	...	597
East Dunbartonshire	4		383	382	+1		375	404	429	477	492	...	1150
South Lanarkshire	4		378	382	-4		398	396	406	434	461	...	1013
Dumfries & Galloway	4		351	361	-10		370	372	358	351	361	...	620
Inverclyde	4		345	365	-20		379	388	387	384	405	...	1238
Renfrewshire	4		341	371	-30		393	413	421	438	475	...	1041
Stirling	4		338	366	-28		377	389	374	386	401	...	628
Aberdeenshire	4		336	339	-3		347	380	387	394	403	...	424
East Renfrewshire	4		335	354	-19		373	372	389	385	398	...	1080
Glasgow City	4		312	328	-16		347	368	384	401	432	...	989
Midlothian	4		312	327	-15		369	395	392	393	413	...	754
Clackmannanshire	4		300	328	-28		365	427	458	468	507	...	704
Aberdeen City	4		284	292	-8		288	312	322	336	353	...	414
Argyll & Bute	4		283	304	-21		298	307	335	350	363	...	712
Perth & Kinross	4		280	304	-24		334	369	405	407	403	...	297
Na h-Eileanan Siar	4		260	234	+26		234	200	185	174	158	...	170
East Lothian	4		252	265	-13		272	272	263	272	274	...	604
Moray	4		250	231	+19		226	228	218	223	224	...	183
Edinburgh City	4		231	238	-7		255	282	286	292	300	...	722
Angus	4		220	234	-14		259	274	305	302	295	...	430
Scottish Borders	4		200	188	+12		216	211	223	228	233	...	430
Highland	4		170	168	+2		169	187	194	203	220	...	531
Shetland Islands	3		74	70	+4		57	52	57	57	61	...	262
Orkney Islands	2		49	85	-36		85	63	80	85	98	...	67
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			30 Sep	29 Sep	28 Sep	27 Sep	26 Sep	...	1 Sep
Tests			34990	35457	-467		36268	37270	38304	38689	39481	...	46368
Cases			2587	2694	-107		2833	2992	3078	3149	3270	...	5832
Positivity rate %			8.0	8.2	-0.2		8.4	8.6	8.6	8.8	8.9	...	13.3
Deaths			19.0	19.1	-0.1		21.4	21.7	22.1	22.4	22.3	...	6.0
All Vaccinations			6583	6572	+11		6130	6087	6098	6158	5988	...	15364
1st Dose			3879	3705	+174		3378	3358	3391	3429	3112	...	2844
2nd Dose			2704	2867	-163		2752	2729	2707	2729	2876	...	12520
All in hospital			1003	1009	-6		1013	1021	1029	1040	1050	...	524
Non-ICU			931	935	-4		937	944	950	958	965	...	473
ICU			72	74	-2		76	77	79	82	85	...	51

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[Fxxx the SPFL]

5 hours ago, NANOJAMBO said:

Was Covid a contributory factor in his death or,  had he contracted Covid and recovered from it prior to his fall ? 

Nope all he had was a tickly cough 

[Gordon Zola]

20 hours ago, **** the SPFL said:

Sorry FF I don’t ever disagree with you but on this occasion I will my wife’s manager’s brother died from a brain haemorrhage after falling in Abbeyhill feck all to do with covid but because he’d tested positive in the 28 days prior Covid was put on his death certificate his sister is still arguing the case 

My neighbours 85 year old dad died last year. He had been in and out of the hospital for months. During this time of going in and out of hospital he got tested for covid twice and both times he was negative. The last time he went in just before he died he was too sick to test for covid. He died of pneumonia which was put as the cause of death on his death certificate, he also had cancer and diabetes put on his death certificate. At the bottom the of the certificate the doctor also wrote 'presumed covid'. Even though he wasn't tested they still put it on his death certificate. This is medical fraud by the NHS.

 

And why even test them for it if thats not what killed him. As far as i'm aware they never used to test you for flu when you were dying of cancer or heart disease or pneumonia. So why now?

 

He then became one of the numbers you hear about in the media.

 

When you see these 'numbers' in the media you have to bear in my mind that (if the test positive) dying 'with' covid is different from dying 'from' covid.

 

If my friends dad had indeed tested positive for covid, it would still have been pneumonia that killed him, so why bother testing him? Also, his death would be recorded as covid on the ONS website, when he actually died of pneumonia. That's why you are not seeing a massive difference in 'total' deaths from previous years. They are just rebranding deaths to suit their agenda. And yes, they do have an agenda.

Edited October 2, 2021 by Gordon Zola

[escobri]

20 minutes ago, Gordon Zola said:

My neighbours 85 year old dad died last year. He had been in and out of the hospital for months. During this time of going in and out of hospital he got tested for covid twice and both times he was negative. The last time he went in just before he died he was too sick to test for covid. He died of pneumonia which was put as the cause of death on his death certificate, he also had cancer and diabetes put on his death certificate. At the bottom the of the certificate the doctor also wrote 'presumed covid'. Even though he wasn't tested they still put it on his death certificate. This is medical fraud by the NHS.

 

And why even test them for it if thats not what killed him. As far as i'm aware they never used to test you for flu when you were dying of cancer or heart disease or pneumonia. So why now?

 

He then became one of the numbers you hear about in the media.

 

When you see these 'numbers' in the media you have to bear in my mind that (if the test positive) dying 'with' covid is different from dying 'from' covid.

 

If my friends dad had indeed tested positive for covid, it would still have been pneumonia that killed him, so why bother testing him? Also, his death would be recorded as covid on the ONS website, when he actually died of pneumonia. That's why you are not seeing a massive difference in 'total' deaths from previous years. They are just rebranding deaths to suit their agenda. And yes, they do have an agenda.

Go to the corner and put your tinfoil hat on please, you are not allowed to question anything 🙈 .sorry for you loss. We are run by maniacs. Only going to get worse.

[Fxxx the SPFL]

30 minutes ago, Gordon Zola said:

My neighbours 85 year old dad died last year. He had been in and out of the hospital for months. During this time of going in and out of hospital he got tested for covid twice and both times he was negative. The last time he went in just before he died he was too sick to test for covid. He died of pneumonia which was put as the cause of death on his death certificate, he also had cancer and diabetes put on his death certificate. At the bottom the of the certificate the doctor also wrote 'presumed covid'. Even though he wasn't tested they still put it on his death certificate. This is medical fraud by the NHS.

 

And why even test them for it if thats not what killed him. As far as i'm aware they never used to test you for flu when you were dying of cancer or heart disease or pneumonia. So why now?

 

He then became one of the numbers you hear about in the media.

 

When you see these 'numbers' in the media you have to bear in my mind that (if the test positive) dying 'with' covid is different from dying 'from' covid.

 

If my friends dad had indeed tested positive for covid, it would still have been pneumonia that killed him, so why bother testing him? Also, his death would be recorded as covid on the ONS website, when he actually died of pneumonia. That's why you are not seeing a massive difference in 'total' deaths from previous years. They are just rebranding deaths to suit their agenda. And yes, they do have an agenda.

Totally agree sorry for your loss 

[redjambo]

Just a note that the principal deaths figures reported by PHS each day, the ones included in my stats, are those where an individual dies within 28 days of their first positive COVID-19 laboratory report. Deaths where Covid is reported on the death certificate is a different metric. Of course we can argue until we're blue in the face about both definitions but as far as I personally am concerned, the "reported on the death certificate" metric doesn't hold much sway with me and I think that in the end, data scientists will concentrate on the "confirmed deaths" and "excess deaths" figures, not the "mentioned on the death certificate" metric. Hopefully whoever compiles the death certificate stats automatically ignores any that say "presumed" (or similar wording) in any case - I certainly would if I were in that position.

[Gordon Zola]

23 minutes ago, redjambo said:

Just a note that the principal deaths figures reported by PHS each day, the ones included in my stats, are those where an individual dies within 28 days of their first positive COVID-19 laboratory report. Deaths where Covid is reported on the death certificate is a different metric. Of course we can argue until we're blue in the face about both definitions but as far as I personally am concerned, the "reported on the death certificate" metric doesn't hold much sway with me and I think that in the end, data scientists will concentrate on the "confirmed deaths" and "excess deaths" figures, not the "mentioned on the death certificate" metric. Hopefully whoever compiles the death certificate stats automatically ignores any that say "presumed" (or similar wording) in any case - I certainly would if I were in that position.

My mums, friends daughter died a few weeks ago. She had cancer it had spread throughout her body and into her brain. She was admitted to the western 3 days before she died as she was having funny turns. On the day she was admitted they tested her for covid (for whatever reason) and she was positive. As she died 3 days after testing positive (from cancer) i assume she would be included in your PHS stats? Do your PHS stats show that someone died 'of' covid or 'with' covid?

[Gordon Zola]

53 minutes ago, **** the SPFL said:

Totally agree sorry for your loss 

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[Gordon Zola]

1 hour ago, escobri said:

Go to the corner and put your tinfoil hat on please, you are not allowed to question anything 🙈 .sorry for you loss. We are run by maniacs. Only going to get worse.

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[redjambo]

23 minutes ago, Gordon Zola said:

My mums, friends daughter died a few weeks ago. She had cancer it had spread throughout her body and into her brain. She was admitted to the western 3 days before she died as she was having funny turns. On the day she was admitted they tested her for covid (for whatever reason) and she was positive. As she died 3 days after testing positive (from cancer) i assume she would be included in your PHS stats? Do your PHS stats show that someone died 'of' covid or 'with' covid?

 

Yes, that would have counted as an official Covid death. They test folk on entry so that they can try to prevent the virus from spreading within the hospital if someone is found to be positive. I would have thought that was a reasonable precaution to take.

 

Over to you. What metric would you create to keep track of Covid-caused deaths, one that is fairly easily measurable and also as objective as possible so that the metric can be applied in a standard way? It's not easy. I don't think the metric was ever meant to 100% accurately mirror deaths caused by Covid. It was however meant as a metric that was as objective and standardised as possible, and reflect the situation, so that it could be compared in different time periods and localities.

 

Also to mention of course are those who enter hospital as a result of Covid and hang on for more than 28 days after their positive test before succumbing. They don't count as Covid deaths, but are also removed from the statistics to try to obtain more signal than noise.

[NANOJAMBO]

2 hours ago, Gordon Zola said:

My mums, friends daughter died a few weeks ago. She had cancer it had spread throughout her body and into her brain. She was admitted to the western 3 days before she died as she was having funny turns. On the day she was admitted they tested her for covid (for whatever reason) and she was positive. As she died 3 days after testing positive (from cancer) i assume she would be included in your PHS stats? Do your PHS stats show that someone died 'of' covid or 'with' covid?

It's not as simple as that - a death certificate has 4 possible entries for the inclusion of covid (as far as I can make out from the pdf file I'm looking at - I've copied it verbatim below  ) - 

 

I A    disease or condition leading directly to death

I B    other disease or condition - if any - leading to I A

I C    other disease  or condition - if any - leading to I B

 

II Other significant conditions contributing to death but not related to the disease or condition casuing it 

 

Maybe this is where there is possible confusion as to why Covid is  listed on a death certificate . It seems to boil down to where on the form Covid is mentioned (if it is mentioned). 

 

There are the guidelines for completion -

 

"You are asked to start with the immediate, direct cause of death on line Ia, then to go back through the sequence of events or conditions that led to death on subsequent lines, until you reach the one that started the fatal sequence. If the certificate has been completed properly, the condition on the lowest completed line of part I will have caused all of the conditions on the lines above it. This initiating condition, on the lowest line of part I will usually be selected as the underlying cause of death,..."

 

 

 

 

Edited October 2, 2021 by NANOJAMBO

[Footballfirst]

The best measure of Covid deaths is probably the excess deaths number. In the first wave (March-April 2020) the excess deaths exceeded those recorded as Covid related, suggesting an underreporting of Covid deaths.  Since then the Covid recorded deaths have largely matched the excess death figures. While it will be possible to point out individual cases where there is an incorrect allocation of cause to Covid, the overall picture suggests that the excess deaths are mainly Covid related rather than any actual increase in other causes, such as cancers, heart disease or strokes.  

 

Check the excess deaths section of this report that was published a few days ago.

https://data.gov.scot/coronavirus-covid-19/detail.html

 

[redjambo]

11 hours ago, jonesy said:

Right, I'm too far into this bottle of wine and you're far too smart compared to me for this to end well, but I'm not having that.

 

When the death stats are regularly wheeled out as justification for certain government actions - some of which have detrimental, even fatal effects on its citizens - then they bloody well better be as accurate as possible. Lobbing a 'CV19' onto a death certificate when it was clearly not a contributing factor is an absolute nonsense.

 

Your "as accurate as possible" and my "not 100%" are in accordance, jonesy.

 

It has been eloquently expressed on many occasions in this thread that it is not in some cases clear-cut whether a death was caused by Covid or not - it may be a contributing factor but *how much* of a contributing factor? That's where we start to get into subjective judgement. One clinician's opinion might (and probably will) differ from another's for certain cases. It's difficult to employ a metric based on that - it's too variable.

 

You're also confusing, imo, the "death certificates" and the "death stats as justification" issues. Forget the death certificates metric - it's not the main deaths metric and I think we can all agree that it's not very good because it can be open to subjective judgement whether or not Covid was the cause of death in some cases.

 

We could of course all give up and declare "We can't find a perfect metric that 100% mirrors the deaths that wouldn't have happened if the person hadn't caught Covid!". But we can't. We have to track deaths and we find the best way we can to do so, perfect or not.

 

And, by the way, I'm not that smart.

[redjambo]

Scottish numbers: 3 October 2021

Summary

• 2,040 new cases of COVID-19 reported [-475; down from 2,556 a week ago]
• 28,673 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [-8,455]
  • 7.7% of these were positive [+0.4%]
• 1 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends) [-16]
• 71 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+5]
• 965 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [=]
• 4,208,546 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 3,845,180 have received their second dose [+8,822; +2,180]

[redjambo]

Trend stats, the latest thereof. Cases reducing fairly slowly but steadily. Aberdeen City mimicking their football team by being quite low in the table. 7-day positivity rate and numbers of hospitalised Covid patients also declining. High number of first vaccinations today, presumably reflecting the young team stepping up to the plate.

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	WHO		Today	Yesterday			1 Oct	30 Sep	29 Sep	28 Sep	27 Sep	...	1 Sep
Scotland	4		322	331	-9		345	363	383	394	403	...	747
West Lothian	4		479	489	-10		504	527	521	532	520	...	668
North Lanarkshire	4		432	434	-2		442	462	486	498	521	...	1261
South Ayrshire	4		430	467	-37		541	572	593	608	575	...	658
Falkirk	4		415	409	+6		421	432	459	471	458	...	690
North Ayrshire	4		409	428	-19		441	459	469	492	480	...	772
Dundee City	4		407	407	0		427	469	495	514	508	...	697
East Ayrshire	4		388	404	-16		440	510	562	586	602	...	627
Fife	4		375	386	-11		407	435	470	469	484	...	597
West Dunbartonshire	4		369	393	-24		437	453	530	588	609	...	1105
East Dunbartonshire	4		365	383	-18		382	375	404	429	477	...	1150
South Lanarkshire	4		364	378	-14		382	398	396	406	434	...	1013
East Renfrewshire	4		332	335	-3		354	373	372	389	385	...	1080
Renfrewshire	4		331	341	-10		371	393	413	421	438	...	1041
Aberdeenshire	4		330	336	-6		339	347	380	387	394	...	424
Dumfries & Galloway	4		328	351	-23		361	370	372	358	351	...	620
Inverclyde	4		328	345	-17		365	379	388	387	384	...	1238
Stirling	4		327	338	-11		366	377	389	374	386	...	628
Na h-Eileanan Siar	4		317	260	+57		234	234	200	185	174	...	170
Glasgow City	4		303	312	-9		328	347	368	384	401	...	989
Midlothian	4		294	312	-18		327	369	395	392	393	...	754
Clackmannanshire	4		281	300	-19		328	365	427	458	468	...	704
Argyll & Bute	4		280	283	-3		304	298	307	335	350	...	712
Perth & Kinross	4		276	280	-4		304	334	369	405	407	...	297
Aberdeen City	4		266	284	-18		292	288	312	322	336	...	414
Moray	4		260	250	+10		231	226	228	218	223	...	183
East Lothian	4		244	252	-8		265	272	272	263	272	...	604
Edinburgh City	4		218	231	-13		238	255	282	286	292	...	722
Scottish Borders	4		215	200	+15		188	216	211	223	228	...	430
Angus	4		207	220	-13		234	259	274	305	302	...	430
Highland	4		168	170	-2		168	169	187	194	203	...	531
Shetland Islands	3		83	74	+9		70	57	52	57	57	...	262
Orkney Islands	2		49	49	0		85	85	63	80	85	...	67
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			1 Oct	30 Sep	29 Sep	28 Sep	27 Sep	...	1 Sep
Tests			34707	34990	-283		35457	36268	37270	38304	38689	...	46368
Cases			2514	2587	-73		2694	2833	2992	3078	3149	...	5832
Positivity rate %			7.8	8.0	-0.2		8.2	8.4	8.6	8.6	8.8	...	13.3
Deaths			18.9	19.0	-0.1		19.1	21.4	21.7	22.1	22.4	...	6.0
All Vaccinations			7112	6583	+529		6572	6130	6087	6098	6158	...	15364
1st Dose			4531	3879	+652		3705	3378	3358	3391	3429	...	2844
2nd Dose			2581	2704	-123		2867	2752	2729	2707	2729	...	12520
All in hospital			997	1003	-6		1009	1013	1021	1029	1040	...	524
Non-ICU			926	931	-5		935	937	944	950	958	...	473
ICU			71	72	-1		74	76	77	79	82	...	51

[The Real Maroonblood]

5 minutes ago, redjambo said:

Trend stats, the latest thereof. Cases reducing fairly slowly but steadily. Aberdeen City mimicking their football team by being quite low in the table. 7-day positivity rate and numbers of hospitalised Covid patients also declining. High number of first vaccinations today, presumably reflecting the young team stepping up to the plate.

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	WHO		Today	Yesterday			1 Oct	30 Sep	29 Sep	28 Sep	27 Sep	...	1 Sep
Scotland	4		322	331	-9		345	363	383	394	403	...	747
West Lothian	4		479	489	-10		504	527	521	532	520	...	668
North Lanarkshire	4		432	434	-2		442	462	486	498	521	...	1261
South Ayrshire	4		430	467	-37		541	572	593	608	575	...	658
Falkirk	4		415	409	+6		421	432	459	471	458	...	690
North Ayrshire	4		409	428	-19		441	459	469	492	480	...	772
Dundee City	4		407	407	0		427	469	495	514	508	...	697
East Ayrshire	4		388	404	-16		440	510	562	586	602	...	627
Fife	4		375	386	-11		407	435	470	469	484	...	597
West Dunbartonshire	4		369	393	-24		437	453	530	588	609	...	1105
East Dunbartonshire	4		365	383	-18		382	375	404	429	477	...	1150
South Lanarkshire	4		364	378	-14		382	398	396	406	434	...	1013
East Renfrewshire	4		332	335	-3		354	373	372	389	385	...	1080
Renfrewshire	4		331	341	-10		371	393	413	421	438	...	1041
Aberdeenshire	4		330	336	-6		339	347	380	387	394	...	424
Dumfries & Galloway	4		328	351	-23		361	370	372	358	351	...	620
Inverclyde	4		328	345	-17		365	379	388	387	384	...	1238
Stirling	4		327	338	-11		366	377	389	374	386	...	628
Na h-Eileanan Siar	4		317	260	+57		234	234	200	185	174	...	170
Glasgow City	4		303	312	-9		328	347	368	384	401	...	989
Midlothian	4		294	312	-18		327	369	395	392	393	...	754
Clackmannanshire	4		281	300	-19		328	365	427	458	468	...	704
Argyll & Bute	4		280	283	-3		304	298	307	335	350	...	712
Perth & Kinross	4		276	280	-4		304	334	369	405	407	...	297
Aberdeen City	4		266	284	-18		292	288	312	322	336	...	414
Moray	4		260	250	+10		231	226	228	218	223	...	183
East Lothian	4		244	252	-8		265	272	272	263	272	...	604
Edinburgh City	4		218	231	-13		238	255	282	286	292	...	722
Scottish Borders	4		215	200	+15		188	216	211	223	228	...	430
Angus	4		207	220	-13		234	259	274	305	302	...	430
Highland	4		168	170	-2		168	169	187	194	203	...	531
Shetland Islands	3		83	74	+9		70	57	52	57	57	...	262
Orkney Islands	2		49	49	0		85	85	63	80	85	...	67
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			1 Oct	30 Sep	29 Sep	28 Sep	27 Sep	...	1 Sep
Tests			34707	34990	-283		35457	36268	37270	38304	38689	...	46368
Cases			2514	2587	-73		2694	2833	2992	3078	3149	...	5832
Positivity rate %			7.8	8.0	-0.2		8.2	8.4	8.6	8.6	8.8	...	13.3
Deaths			18.9	19.0	-0.1		19.1	21.4	21.7	22.1	22.4	...	6.0
All Vaccinations			7112	6583	+529		6572	6130	6087	6098	6158	...	15364
1st Dose			4531	3879	+652		3705	3378	3358	3391	3429	...	2844
2nd Dose			2581	2704	-123		2867	2752	2729	2707	2729	...	12520
All in hospital			997	1003	-6		1009	1013	1021	1029	1040	...	524
Non-ICU			926	931	-5		935	937	944	950	958	...	473
ICU			71	72	-1		74	76	77	79	82	...	51

👍

[Savage Vince]

On 01/10/2021 at 19:44, Victorian said:

The boy just needs to be in a permanent battle with something,  anything.  Armed with a blunderbuss of pick'n'mix,  upside down and back to front arguments. 

 

Beautiful. 

[Enzo Chiefo]

I don't think many will be surprised by this tbh. There is a lot we haven't been told and the reaction to the "emergence" of Covid, the modelling,  the restrictions, the stats; all have left more questions than answers. Forget the forecasts of miserable winters,  we're in the home straight now and nearly done.  But questions still linger about our approach. 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10052689/Government-condemned-refusing-release-details-key-email-conversations-Covid-origins.html

[Enzo Chiefo]

Anyone know where the drop off boxes for Randox Day 2 tests are in Edinburgh? The only one I could find is in Craigentinny. Are there any others??

[indianajones]

10 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

I don't think many will be surprised by this tbh. There is a lot we haven't been told and the reaction to the "emergence" of Covid, the modelling,  the restrictions, the stats; all have left more questions than answers. Forget the forecasts of miserable winters,  we're in the home straight now and nearly done.  But questions still linger about our approach. 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10052689/Government-condemned-refusing-release-details-key-email-conversations-Covid-origins.html

 

This is what we should be angry at. 

 

Dangerous gain of function research funded by governments throughout the globe has caused this disease. Constant lies from them regarding the origin of it and yet NO ONE seems to give a flying ****. More interested in ousting people that have concerns over vaccine programmes and govt mandates. There should be a focused push on ensuring people know how much they are/have been lied too and that its just not acceptable. 

 

Gain of function ffs. Its like the modern day Manhattan project. 

 

 

[jambo89]

On 03/10/2021 at 07:24, Lord BJ said:

The red list is to be significantly reduced, opening up more travel venues. Anticipated less than 10 countries will be on it, 
 

No doubt this will enrage some but I take it as a positive sign that we’re moving to the end stages of this and we’re becoming to return to normal, 

 

 

 

Where are you hearing / reading this and any ideas what the 10 countries would be. This is highly applicable to me, so any info would be appreciated.

Edited October 4, 2021 by jambo89

[Dazo]

43 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Anyone know where the drop off boxes for Randox Day 2 tests are in Edinburgh? The only one I could find is in Craigentinny. Are there any others??

Vivo clinic in Roseburn and Newington pharmacy. 

Edited October 4, 2021 by Dazo

[Enzo Chiefo]

1 hour ago, Dazo said:

Vivo clinic in Roseburn and Newington pharmacy. 

Cheers Dazo. I ended up going to Craigentinny but good to know about the other drop offs, for the next time. 👍

[Dazo]

8 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Cheers Dazo. I ended up going to Craigentinny but good to know about the other drop offs, for the next time. 👍

No probs Enzo. When did you have it in ? Can you let me know how long it takes to get your results back. 

[JimmyCant]

On 02/10/2021 at 22:27, jonesy said:

Right, I'm too far into this bottle of wine and you're far too smart compared to me for this to end well, but I'm not having that.

 

When the death stats are regularly wheeled out as justification for certain government actions - some of which have detrimental, even fatal effects on its citizens - then they bloody well better be as accurate as possible. Lobbing a 'CV19' onto a death certificate when it was clearly not a contributing factor is an absolute nonsense.

CV19 is a notifiable disease. If someone dies and coincidentally had Covid as a non contributor, it MUST go in the death certificate. It doesn’t go into the cause of death field. It goes in a box I forget the name of. Let’s say for arguements sake it’s called NOTES. Those deaths are appearing in what we know as the Covid death numbers but it’s a misleading thing because it’s simply noting that someone was positive for Covid in the period before they died. The actual deaths where Covid was a significant contributor is significantly less than the headline figure we’re being given. 

[Footballfirst]

45 minutes ago, Dazo said:

No probs Enzo. When did you have it in ? Can you let me know how long it takes to get your results back. 

It depends on the pick-up time from the drop box.  I dropped off my Randox test in one of the designated bins outside Newington Pharmacy on a Friday evening (it sounded as if the bin was empty).  I assume it was picked up sometime on the Saturday. I received an email confirming that it had been received by the lab around midnight and the result came through about 8am on the Sunday morning, It was therefore around 36 hours end to end, although if you time the pick-up well, it could be less than 24 hours.

Edited October 4, 2021 by Footballfirst

[Dazo]

14 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

It depends on the pick-up time from the drop box.  I dropped off my Randox test in one of the designated bins outside Newington Pharmacy on a Friday evening (it sounded as if the bin was empty).  I assume it was picked up sometime on the Saturday. I received an email confirming that it had been received by the lab around midnight and the result came through about 8am on the Sunday morning, It was therefore around 36 hours end to end, although if you time the pick-up well, it could be less than 24 hours.

 
Depends on the location but the 2 I mention are 4:30 Roseburn and 5pm Newington. So yeah yours woujd have been 5pm next day.  

[jambo89]

2 hours ago, Lord BJ said:

It been pretty widely reported in media the last couple of days. 
 

Anyway a link to help 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/02/uk-to-slash-international-travel-red-list-to-just-9-countries

 

 

Thanks for that! Not much exposure to british media out here.

[Footballfirst]

28 minutes ago, JimmyCant said:

CV19 is a notifiable disease. If someone dies and coincidentally had Covid as a non contributor, it MUST go in the death certificate. It doesn’t go into the cause of death field. It goes in a box I forget the name of. Let’s say for arguements sake it’s called NOTES. Those deaths are appearing in what we know as the Covid death numbers but it’s a misleading thing because it’s simply noting that someone was positive for Covid in the period before they died. The actual deaths where Covid was a significant contributor is significantly less than the headline figure we’re being given. 

The NRS guidance is fairly clear in respect of the recording of deaths (not the daily announcements which only records deaths of patients who have tested positive within the last 28 days, i.e. potentially not the cause).

 

• Deaths involving COVID-19 are defined as those where COVID-19 is mentioned on the death certificate, either as the underlying cause of death or as a contributory cause. Cause of death is coded according to the International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Conditions 10th Revision (ICD-10). The relevant codes included in this publication are U07.1, U07.2, U09.9 and U10.9.

• Figures include deaths where ‘suspected’ or ‘probable’ COVID-19 appears on the death certificate.

 

From the latest weekly NRS stats for 2021 (Week 1-38), Covid was mentioned on the death certificate 4,289 times. Of those, 3,592 had Covid as the underlying cause.  The excess deaths figure for the year to date is 3,213, when compared to the pre covid five year period from 2015-19.

 

The year to date figure for the daily announcements (positive with 28 days of death) was 3748.

 

I don't believe that those figures back up the claim in your last sentence.  

Edited October 4, 2021 by Footballfirst

[Enzo Chiefo]

2 hours ago, Dazo said:

No probs Enzo. When did you have it in ? Can you let me know how long it takes to get your results back. 

Handed it in today at about 9.30am. Will let you know when I get the result back, Dazo. .

What did you think of the whole process about registering and labelling the sample?

They're asking for the same info that was already provided when ordering the tests, flight number, passport etc. They even ask for your address again, despite them having sent the tests there😂

Surely they can match up the bar code with your details??

[Enzo Chiefo]

4 hours ago, indianajones said:

 

This is what we should be angry at. 

 

Dangerous gain of function research funded by governments throughout the globe has caused this disease. Constant lies from them regarding the origin of it and yet NO ONE seems to give a flying ****. More interested in ousting people that have concerns over vaccine programmes and govt mandates. There should be a focused push on ensuring people know how much they are/have been lied too and that its just not acceptable. 

 

Gain of function ffs. Its like the modern day Manhattan project. 

 

 

Yes, exactly, Indiana.

[Dazo]

30 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Handed it in today at about 9.30am. Will let you know when I get the result back, Dazo. .

What did you think of the whole process about registering and labelling the sample?

They're asking for the same info that was already provided when ordering the tests, flight number, passport etc. They even ask for your address again, despite them having sent the tests there😂

Surely they can match up the bar code with your details??

I haven’t ordered yet, I don’t go away for a couple of weeks. 

[redjambo]

Scottish numbers: 4 October 2021

Summary

• 1,760 new cases of COVID-19 reported [-280; down from 2,069 a week ago]
• 19,959 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [-8,714]
  • 9.4% of these were positive [+1.7%]
• 0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends) [-1]
• 67 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-4]
• 1,001 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+36]
• 4,217,940 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 3,847,118 have received their second dose [+9,394; +1,938]

[redjambo]

The latest trend stats:

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	WHO		Today	Yesterday			2 Oct	1 Oct	30 Sep	29 Sep	28 Sep	...	1 Sep
Scotland	4		316	322	-6		331	345	363	383	394	...	747
West Lothian	4		467	479	-12		489	504	527	521	532	...	668
North Lanarkshire	4		433	432	+1		434	442	462	486	498	...	1261
Falkirk	4		411	415	-4		409	421	432	459	471	...	690
Dundee City	4		402	407	-5		407	427	469	495	514	...	697
South Ayrshire	4		399	430	-31		467	541	572	593	608	...	658
East Ayrshire	4		387	388	-1		404	440	510	562	586	...	627
North Ayrshire	4		384	409	-25		428	441	459	469	492	...	772
East Dunbartonshire	4		367	365	+2		383	382	375	404	429	...	1150
Fife	4		363	375	-12		386	407	435	470	469	...	597
South Lanarkshire	4		358	364	-6		378	382	398	396	406	...	1013
West Dunbartonshire	4		353	369	-16		393	437	453	530	588	...	1105
East Renfrewshire	4		338	332	+6		335	354	373	372	389	...	1080
Aberdeenshire	4		335	330	+5		336	339	347	380	387	...	424
Dumfries & Galloway	4		328	328	0		351	361	370	372	358	...	620
Stirling	4		328	327	+1		338	366	377	389	374	...	628
Renfrewshire	4		327	331	-4		341	371	393	413	421	...	1041
Na h-Eileanan Siar	4		321	317	+4		260	234	234	200	185	...	170
Inverclyde	4		308	328	-20		345	365	379	388	387	...	1238
Glasgow City	4		302	303	-1		312	328	347	368	384	...	989
Midlothian	4		298	294	+4		312	327	369	395	392	...	754
Moray	4		295	260	+35		250	231	226	228	218	...	183
Clackmannanshire	4		292	281	+11		300	328	365	427	458	...	704
Aberdeen City	4		266	266	0		284	292	288	312	322	...	414
Argyll & Bute	4		261	280	-19		283	304	298	307	335	...	712
Perth & Kinross	4		253	276	-23		280	304	334	369	405	...	297
East Lothian	4		228	244	-16		252	265	272	272	263	...	604
Scottish Borders	4		225	215	+10		200	188	216	211	223	...	430
Edinburgh City	4		208	218	-10		231	238	255	282	286	...	722
Angus	4		192	207	-15		220	234	259	274	305	...	430
Highland	4		175	168	+7		170	168	169	187	194	...	531
Shetland Islands	3		105	83	+22		74	70	57	52	57	...	262
Orkney Islands	3		58	49	+9		49	85	85	63	80	...	67
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			2 Oct	1 Oct	30 Sep	29 Sep	28 Sep	...	1 Sep
Tests			34194	34707	-513		34990	35457	36268	37270	38304	...	46368
Cases			2469	2514	-45		2587	2694	2833	2992	3078	...	5832
Positivity rate %			7.8	7.8	0.0		8.0	8.2	8.4	8.6	8.6	...	13.3
Deaths			19	19	0		19	19	21	22	22	...	6
All Vaccinations			7651	7112	+539		6583	6572	6130	6087	6098	...	15364
1st Dose			5189	4531	+658		3879	3705	3378	3358	3391	...	2844
2nd Dose			2462	2581	-119		2704	2867	2752	2729	2707	...	12520
All in hospital			995	997	-2		1003	1009	1013	1021	1029	...	524
Non-ICU			925	926	-1		931	935	937	944	950	...	473
ICU			70	71	-1		72	74	76	77	79	...	51