Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Footballfirst]

3 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

This is an interesting read:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9979131/Top-medic-STEPHEN-SMITH-says-NHS-never-improve-entire-radical-surgery.html

The article is devoid of any indicative solutions. A root and branch review? Different funding model?

No indicative costs, or it a reassignment of existing funds.

 

I was more taken by the first "comment" I read in response to the article.

John Naylor USA, Austin Texas, United States, about 11 hours ago

As an American I find your NHS to be exceptionally efficient and exceptionally good value for money - and I'm VERY conservative when it comes to fiscal matters! Here in America we have a Government programme called Medicaid. It provides free healthcare to around 70 million people, mostly children and the disabled. It is funded entirely by the American taxpayer and its budget is FOUR times the size of the budget of your NHS! Look it up if you don't believe me.

[redjambo]

Scottish numbers: 12 September 2021

Summary

• 5,912 new cases of COVID-19 reported [+1,614; down from 6,368 a week ago]
• 55,646 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [+13,117]
  • 11.5% of these were positive [+0.6%]
• 0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends) [-10]
• 88 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+5]
• 1,019 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+34]
• 4,140,616 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 3,777,461 have received their second dose [+2,906; +8,141]

[redjambo]

The latest trend stats. I'm not sure if I can reconstruct the missing local authority data.

 

7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			10 Sep	9 Sep	8 Sep	7 Sep	6 Sep	...	1 Sep
Tests			55218	54130	+1088		55345	54395	53496	53518	53142	...	46368
Cases			6061	6126	-65		6391	6376	6314	6365	6414	...	5832
Positivity rate %			11.7	12.1	-0.4		12.3	12.5	12.6	12.7	12.9	...	13.3
Deaths			11.0	11.0	0.0		11.1	9.4	10.1	9.0	7.7	...	6.0
All Vaccinations			9949	10370	-421		10587	11496	11576	12093	13042	...	15364
1st Dose			2737	3010	-273		3040	3228	3220	3227	3225	...	2844
2nd Dose			7212	7360	-148		7547	8268	8356	8866	9817	...	12520
All in hospital			909	867	+42		822	776	732	696	665	...	524
Non-ICU			828	789	+39		748	705	666	633	605	...	473
ICU			81	78	+3		74	71	66	63	60	...	51

[XB52]

2 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

Oh dear Wee Sturgeon will be losing more popularity now it seems Scotland will issuing vaccine passports whilst England won’t . How’s she gonna argue that one ? What about English tourists visiting here who won’t get access to places ? She needs to take a leaf out of BJ book and bin in . But she’s a stubborn tattie hied so doubt she will . Anything to be different from England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 

 

Another pile of shite from you but I'll try and reply. Firstly your last sentence. WM have decided to do anything to be different from Scotland (and Ireland, loads of European countries). English tourists need to abide by the rules in place, just like they have to abide by the rules in any country they visit. It really is that simple

[redjambo]

And the local authority trend stats.

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	WHO		Today	Yesterday			10 Sep	9 Sep	8 Sep	7 Sep	6 Sep	...	1 Sep
Scotland	4		776	785	-9		818	817	809	815	821	...	747
West Dunbartonshire	4		1228	1245	-17		1321	1296	1227	1199	1235	...	1105
East Renfrewshire	4		1055	1048	+7		1091	1075	1073	1091	1093	...	1080
Inverclyde	4		1054	1095	-41		1151	1168	1135	1243	1257	...	1238
North Lanarkshire	4		1034	1085	-51		1155	1196	1236	1250	1284	...	1261
Renfrewshire	4		981	1033	-52		1078	1102	1123	1132	1156	...	1041
Glasgow City	4		937	956	-19		1014	1036	1032	1046	1062	...	989
North Ayrshire	4		899	891	+8		892	837	857	836	833	...	772
South Lanarkshire	4		893	909	-16		966	987	981	1006	1015	...	1013
Midlothian	4		875	877	-2		890	888	905	895	872	...	754
East Dunbartonshire	4		868	874	-6		913	956	1006	997	1023	...	1150
Dundee City	4		851	858	-7		859	845	792	827	824	...	697
East Ayrshire	4		834	811	+23		813	781	747	722	698	...	627
Clackmannanshire	4		833	909	-76		944	975	990	990	1020	...	704
West Lothian	4		832	781	+51		817	822	778	765	773	...	668
Fife	4		813	820	-7		849	830	795	784	770	...	597
Falkirk	4		801	782	+19		845	848	838	843	844	...	690
South Ayrshire	4		734	697	+37		715	721	706	721	706	...	658
Stirling	4		717	696	+21		699	695	651	664	689	...	628
Edinburgh City	4		704	705	-1		744	723	726	753	753	...	722
Argyll & Bute	4		681	748	-67		763	784	809	826	824	...	712
Aberdeenshire	4		660	666	-6		670	621	568	552	559	...	424
Highland	4		584	609	-25		632	611	614	612	619	...	531
Aberdeen City	4		580	590	-10		607	588	542	549	525	...	414
East Lothian	4		573	558	+15		584	608	606	652	678	...	604
Dumfries & Galloway	4		533	541	-8		589	566	576	573	584	...	620
Angus	4		515	533	-18		551	544	540	567	577	...	430
Scottish Borders	4		464	440	+24		453	462	495	463	471	...	430
Perth & Kinross	4		405	400	+5		394	384	358	352	363	...	297
Moray	4		281	247	+34		260	254	259	244	225	...	183
Shetland Islands	4		249	280	-31		337	310	306	289	302	...	262
Orkney Islands	4		228	223	+5		147	147	129	89	80	...	67
Na h-Eileanan Siar	3		136	147	-11		166	189	223	181	185	...	170

[ri Alban]

4 hours ago, Marvin said:

 

Just about to post. Quite right too. They are discriminatory. Anyone who can't have the vaccine will be punished. Also people have the right to choose. I feel sorry for anyone who are going to be effected by this. 

No they don't have right to choose. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

41 minutes ago, XB52 said:

Another pile of shite from you but I'll try and reply. Firstly your last sentence. WM have decided to do anything to be different from Scotland (and Ireland, loads of European countries). English tourists need to abide by the rules in place, just like they have to abide by the rules in any country they visit. It really is that simple

 

[ri Alban]

When does England's schools go back.

Tick Tock!!!

[Governor Tarkin]

1 minute ago, ri Alban said:

When does England's schools go back.

Tick Tock!!!

 

Oh goody, lots of English people are going to catch covid.

[Nucky Thompson]

4 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

When does England's schools go back.

Tick Tock!!!

Most of them last Monday, a few the week before.

 

It's a bit silly wishing Covid on them, just so that they look worse than Scotland

[XB52]

11 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

 

Another intelligent come back from the u turn champion. Though wm are giving you a good run for your money. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

7 minutes ago, XB52 said:

Another intelligent come back from the u turn champion. Though wm are giving you a good run for your money. 

“ another pile of shite “ ? What an eloquent opening line in your original comment ! Pot kettle black 

[JudyJudyJudy]

9 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Most of them last Monday, a few the week before.

 

It's a bit silly wishing Covid on them, just so that they look worse than Scotland

15 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Jawohl mein obergruppenführer

 

😂 she suits it sir 

14 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Oh goody, lots of English people are going to catch covid.

I know . Awful really 

[Nucky Thompson]

Sturgeon thought she was getting one over on Boris by jumping in before him to introduce vaccine passports.

Boris changes his mind 

 

Lets sit back with the popcorn and watch the shit show unfold 

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Sturgeon thought she was getting one over on Boris by jumping in before him to introduce vaccine passports.

Boris changes his mind 

 

Lets sit back with the popcorn and watch the shit show unfold 

I know it’s wonderful 😂

[Nucky Thompson]

Sadjit Javid also said this morning that WM will be doing away with PCR tests for travel and they're not considering more lockdowns in Winter

[Victorian]

It's amazing how much politically motivated point scoring is indulged in by people who moan about the SG doing everything for political motives.  Amirite?

[theshed]

20 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Sadjit Javid also said this morning that WM will be doing away with PCR tests for travel and they're not considering more lockdowns in Winter

 

Thank god....hopefully get away now for a week in Tenerife in November 

[Enzo Chiefo]

4 hours ago, Victorian said:

 

Another bogus argument.  It's absolutely priceless that you're using the absence of highly restrictive practice to justify not having less restrictive practice.  If there was zero tolerance no entry mandates and instant fines then yoh would have been shrieking from the rooftops.  

 

Provide personal responsibility you've always insisted.  The public have been granted that under the light touch mask mandate.  Treating people as able to participate in an effort without absolute power coming to bear on them.  

 

Your position on this is utterly absurd.

I'm a great believer in good legislation rather than the hashed together, badly worded, flawed laws - normally repealed due to being unworkable- that regularly emanate from Holyrood.

I'm glad you agree though;  if a law is worth it's place on the statute book, it's worth enforcing.

 

 

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 hour ago, redjambo said:

And the local authority trend stats.

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	WHO		Today	Yesterday			10 Sep	9 Sep	8 Sep	7 Sep	6 Sep	...	1 Sep
Scotland	4		776	785	-9		818	817	809	815	821	...	747
West Dunbartonshire	4		1228	1245	-17		1321	1296	1227	1199	1235	...	1105
East Renfrewshire	4		1055	1048	+7		1091	1075	1073	1091	1093	...	1080
Inverclyde	4		1054	1095	-41		1151	1168	1135	1243	1257	...	1238
North Lanarkshire	4		1034	1085	-51		1155	1196	1236	1250	1284	...	1261
Renfrewshire	4		981	1033	-52		1078	1102	1123	1132	1156	...	1041
Glasgow City	4		937	956	-19		1014	1036	1032	1046	1062	...	989
North Ayrshire	4		899	891	+8		892	837	857	836	833	...	772
South Lanarkshire	4		893	909	-16		966	987	981	1006	1015	...	1013
Midlothian	4		875	877	-2		890	888	905	895	872	...	754
East Dunbartonshire	4		868	874	-6		913	956	1006	997	1023	...	1150
Dundee City	4		851	858	-7		859	845	792	827	824	...	697
East Ayrshire	4		834	811	+23		813	781	747	722	698	...	627
Clackmannanshire	4		833	909	-76		944	975	990	990	1020	...	704
West Lothian	4		832	781	+51		817	822	778	765	773	...	668
Fife	4		813	820	-7		849	830	795	784	770	...	597
Falkirk	4		801	782	+19		845	848	838	843	844	...	690
South Ayrshire	4		734	697	+37		715	721	706	721	706	...	658
Stirling	4		717	696	+21		699	695	651	664	689	...	628
Edinburgh City	4		704	705	-1		744	723	726	753	753	...	722
Argyll & Bute	4		681	748	-67		763	784	809	826	824	...	712
Aberdeenshire	4		660	666	-6		670	621	568	552	559	...	424
Highland	4		584	609	-25		632	611	614	612	619	...	531
Aberdeen City	4		580	590	-10		607	588	542	549	525	...	414
East Lothian	4		573	558	+15		584	608	606	652	678	...	604
Dumfries & Galloway	4		533	541	-8		589	566	576	573	584	...	620
Angus	4		515	533	-18		551	544	540	567	577	...	430
Scottish Borders	4		464	440	+24		453	462	495	463	471	...	430
Perth & Kinross	4		405	400	+5		394	384	358	352	363	...	297
Moray	4		281	247	+34		260	254	259	244	225	...	183
Shetland Islands	4		249	280	-31		337	310	306	289	302	...	262
Orkney Islands	4		228	223	+5		147	147	129	89	80	...	67
Na h-Eileanan Siar	3		136	147	-11		166	189	223	181	185	...	170

👍

[Enzo Chiefo]

35 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Sturgeon thought she was getting one over on Boris by jumping in before him to introduce vaccine passports.

Boris changes his mind 

 

Lets sit back with the popcorn and watch the shit show unfold 

Haha. Yes, he does run her a bit ragged. 

Sturgeon nor her wee Green, industrial revolution hating, Hamas supporting political pygmies are no more able to define what a "nightclub" is than they are define a "woman"

Holyrood is a national laughing stock and talking shop, in equal measure.

[Enzo Chiefo]

52 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Most of them last Monday, a few the week before.

 

It's a bit silly wishing Covid on them, just so that they look worse than Scotland

That's what the Nationalism disease does to you, I'm afraid, NT.

[Enzo Chiefo]

5 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Football First spanked you up and down on this already. Twice.

 

You posted an article from the Daily Mail. Did you critically think what agenda they might have?

 

 

I posted a FACTUAL account of NHS waste, ideology and bureaucracy. 

[Boab]

31 minutes ago, Victorian said:

It's amazing how much politically motivated point scoring is indulged in by people who moan about the SG doing everything for political motives.  Amirite?

There’s an irony there for sure !

[Taffin]

52 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Sadjit Javid also said this morning that WM will be doing away with PCR tests for travel and they're not considering more lockdowns in Winter

 

Lovely stuff!

 

😎

[Footballfirst]

5 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

I posted a FACTUAL account of NHS waste, ideology and bureaucracy. 

FACTUAL account?

 

"So I’ve had a view of our healthcare system from many perspectives and, in my opinion, today’s NHS is simply not fit for purpose."

 

"But, astonishingly, two-thirds of that went unused, perhaps for ideological reasons, as many NHS staff have an aversion to private medicine."

 

For an apparently "FACTUAL account" it is basically an opinion piece by someone who advocates a change to the fundamental structure and funding of the NHS.

 

As I have posted in response to you previously, I have no issue with those who hold that view and I would welcome more information on how such a strategy would work and the benefits that would accrue.  All I ask that they do some work first to identify the changes they want to see, quantify the costs involved, how it will be funded, implemented and the impact on individual contributions.

 

[The Mighty Thor]

22 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

I posted a FACTUAL account of NHS waste, ideology and bureaucracy. 

You posted a hysterical Daily Mail article devoid of any kind of evidence of NHS waste or indeed the 'top heavy bureaucracy' you and others have been banging on about. 

 

Hysteria and lack of evidence. 

 

Bit of a theme isn't it? 🤔

[Ray Gin]

Over 1000 in hospital now. Something needs done to halt the rise.

 

The SG are trying not to reintroduce restrictions on everyone and close anything back down again. That's the alternative to vaccine IDs.

Who is moaning about this the most? The same people who were moaning incessantly about lockdowns and restrictions. 

 

 

 

 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

4 hours ago, JFK-1 said:

 

I'm not on some platform of slating the wealthy countries for hogging vast quantities of vaccine. We have to take care of our own first and it might even be argued that it's in the interests of the less developed nations that we, the highly developed world, take care of our own interests first. Since if we didn't our ability to help them may be greatly reduced.

I get the problems with vaccinating Africa, hell it was sometimes hard just to transport the vaccine even in the wealthy nations. Given the super low temperatures some of them required.

My point is that given so many will be unvaccinated so close to Europe it's an absolutely certainty it's going to be mutating like crazy there and will create many more variants. How many variants are there since it started? That's not going to stop.

And I see no way to keep it out of Europe when these mutations occur. 

 

Sorry that I didn't make it clearer, but we're both on the same page, even if Africa had unlimited vaccine supplies they'd still face a multitude of other problems which would need to be overcome, meaning the prospect of variants appearing could be high.

Indeed there is another variant in South Africa which they are watching closely right now, might come to nothing, only time will tell.

 

[CF11JamTart]

1 hour ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Most of them last Monday, a few the week before.

 

It's a bit silly wishing Covid on them, just so that they look worse than Scotland

Well it looks like it's rattling though Welsh schools. 

 

My daughter's school, at least. 

 

End of week 1, loads of positive PCR tests amongst the children. My wife has tested positive (and is feeling like shit). I tested negative (surprisingly) and just feel a bit rubbish.

 

It feels like it was inevitable when the weans went back. 

[Taffin]

10 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

Over 1000 in hospital now. Something needs done to halt the rise.

 

The SG are trying not to reintroduce restrictions on everyone and close anything back down again. That's the alternative to vaccine IDs.

Who is moaning about this the most? The same people who were moaning incessantly about lockdowns and restrictions. 

 

 

 

 

 

As a serial restrictions and lockdown moaner, I'm not moaning. I'm enjoying the passport free, mask free, zero restriction throwback to the pre-covid halcyon days in England. 

[Taffin]

8 minutes ago, CF11JamTart said:

Well it looks like it's rattling though Welsh schools. 

 

My daughter's school, at least. 

 

End of week 1, loads of positive PCR tests amongst the children. My wife has tested positive (and is feeling like shit). I tested negative (surprisingly) and just feel a bit rubbish.

 

It feels like it was inevitable when the weans went back. 

 

Always did feel that way, but they just fed everyone the nonsense that kids don't spread it and shut the pubs instead 😂 

 

Hope you all feel better soon 👍

Edited September 12, 2021 by Taffin

[Enzo Chiefo]

14 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

FACTUAL account?

 

"So I’ve had a view of our healthcare system from many perspectives and, in my opinion, today’s NHS is simply not fit for purpose."

 

"But, astonishingly, two-thirds of that went unused, perhaps for ideological reasons, as many NHS staff have an aversion to private medicine."

 

For an apparently "FACTUAL account" it is basically an opinion piece by someone who advocates a change to the fundamental structure and funding of the NHS.

 

As I have posted in response to you previously, I have no issue with those who hold that view and I would welcome more information on how such a strategy would work and the benefits that would accrue.  All I ask that they do some work first to identify the changes they want to see, quantify the costs involved, how it will be funded, implemented and the impact on individual contributions.

 

Which is all I am advocating too....a review of funding, care provision and outcomes.

Sticking with a decades old model, "because we've always done it that way" is the biggest failing.

Whether it's the BMA, politicians or the public, an aversion to change due to ideological reasons or having a privatisation phobia, there is undoubtedly a treacle of resistance to change that has to be cut through.

Anytime change is suggested, we are compared with the American system as if that is the only alternative to the NHS. The article references the Dutch system, while we already know that many other European countries have hybrid systems that provide far better patient outcomes than the NHS.

By outcomes, I don't mean treatment received but gaining access to treatment and procedures in the first place.

 

[Victorian]

12 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

Over 1000 in hospital now. Something needs done to halt the rise.

 

The SG are trying not to reintroduce restrictions on everyone and close anything back down again. That's the alternative to vaccine IDs.

Who is moaning about this the most? The same people who were moaning incessantly about lockdowns and restrictions. 

 

 

 

 

 

Indeed but of little surprise when you consider that at least one of them,  an ardent opponent of restrictive powers,  argues that only maximum enforcement powers legitimises any attempt to enfranchise people with the personal responsibility to adhere to minimum enforcement powers.

 

Hates being controlled.  Opposes and rejects controls.  Argues that much more control is needed if controls were ever needed.

 

Wibble.

[Enzo Chiefo]

23 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

You posted a hysterical Daily Mail article devoid of any kind of evidence of NHS waste or indeed the 'top heavy bureaucracy' you and others have been banging on about. 

 

Hysteria and lack of evidence. 

 

Bit of a theme isn't it? 🤔

You obviously have a blind spot about the Daily Mail which hinders any chance to critically think but

creating 42 additional managerial posts, each of them on circa £270k - double what the PM pockets - with a remit of "championing inclusion, diversity...pish, pish etc" IS EVIDENCE of monumental waste.

FFS what does it take for you to wake up and smell the coffee

[Victorian]

But M'Lud.  I reject your 5 year custodial sentence.  It's draconian.  If I'm as bad a lad as the law thinks then I should be given a life term.  

[Footballfirst]

3 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Which is all I am advocating too....a review of funding, care provision and outcomes.

Sticking with a decades old model, "because we've always done it that way" is the biggest failing.

Whether it's the BMA, politicians or the public, an aversion to change due to ideological reasons or having a privatisation phobia, there is undoubtedly a treacle of resistance to change that has to be cut through.

Anytime change is suggested, we are compared with the American system as if that is the only alternative to the NHS. The article references the Dutch system, while we already know that many other European countries have hybrid systems that provide far better patient outcomes than the NHS.

By outcomes, I don't mean treatment received but gaining access to treatment and procedures in the first place.

 

Well, get in touch with the author, ask him to get a group of like minded and qualified people to do an evaluation study, perhaps based on the Dutch or German models, then present it as a fully costed alternative strategy that can be put to the people, either by the government of the day or as a manifesto pledge of a "Brexit Party" equivalent.  

[HartleyLegend3]

No vaccine passports for England. Now they want to bin the pcr tests, next will be the lateral flow testing. 

http://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-sajid-javid-says-he-wants-to-ditch-pcr-tests-for-travellers-as-soon-as-i-possibly-can-12405782

 

Herd Immunity it is then.. 

[The Mighty Thor]

1 minute ago, Footballfirst said:

Well, get in touch with the author, ask him to get a group of like minded and qualified people to do an evaluation study, perhaps based on the Dutch or German models, then present it as a fully costed alternative strategy that can be put to the people, either by the government of the day or as a manifesto pledge of a "Brexit Party" equivalent.  

Or put it on the side of a big red bus

[milky_26]

11 minutes ago, HartleyLegend3 said:

No vaccine passports for England. Now they want to bin the pcr tests, next will be the lateral flow testing. 

http://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-sajid-javid-says-he-wants-to-ditch-pcr-tests-for-travellers-as-soon-as-i-possibly-can-12405782

 

Herd Immunity it is then.. 

did you actually read it, the pcr removal would be for travellers coming into the uk not if you show symptoms

[The Mighty Thor]

6 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

You obviously have a blind spot about the Daily Mail which hinders any chance to critically think but

creating 42 additional managerial posts, each of them on circa £270k - double what the PM pockets - with a remit of "championing inclusion, diversity...pish, pish etc" IS EVIDENCE of monumental waste.

FFS what does it take for you to wake up and smell the coffee

Au contraire my pedigree chum. 

The barrier to critical thought is to use the Daily Mail as a reliable news source or worse still to believe what it prints.

 

The 42 jobs are for Chief Executives of integrated care boards, who'll be responsible for the care of England's NHS users. I've no idea if that is wasteful or not as I don't know the going rate for such a job.  

 

What did the Mail write? 

About £9 million of the new money is already earmarked for salaries of up to £270,000 for executives who will be expected to ‘actively champion diversity, inclusion and equality of opportunity’.

bit of a difference from the Chief Executive role these individuals will carry out!

What will it take for you to read past the headline, do some research and not come on here half cocked thinking you're on a winner. 

[Ray Gin]

39 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

As a serial restrictions and lockdown moaner, I'm not moaning. I'm enjoying the passport free, mask free, zero restriction throwback to the pre-covid halcyon days in England. 

 

Good for you. The situation is different in Scotland.

Edited September 12, 2021 by Ray Gin

[Taffin]

13 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Good for you. The situation is different in Scotland.

 

So I hear. Just adding some balance that not all the moaners are still moaning 👍

 

Who'd have thought, no restrictions and better outcomes?!? Maybe give it a try, strong correlation between requiring mask wearing and high cases per 100,000 in a UK context.

 

Edit: just seen your edit with the graph included and it's no joking matter. I'm not going to remove the above though as I was being flippant and don't want to retrospectively censor it. What do we actually think is causing the divergence in outcomes? Is there a case for less government intervention and trusting people to be more sensible? Or does Scotland really need another lockdown?

Edited September 12, 2021 by Taffin

[HartleyLegend3]

18 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

did you actually read it, the pcr removal would be for travellers coming into the uk not if you show symptoms

That's cause they can't remove it for heading out. They have no control over that. 

Do you think that a good/safe idea? 

 

 

[Enzo Chiefo]

21 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Au contraire my pedigree chum. 

The barrier to critical thought is to use the Daily Mail as a reliable news source or worse still to believe what it prints.

 

The 42 jobs are for Chief Executives of integrated care boards, who'll be responsible for the care of England's NHS users. I've no idea if that is wasteful or not as I don't know the going rate for such a job.  

 

What did the Mail write? 

About £9 million of the new money is already earmarked for salaries of up to £270,000 for executives who will be expected to ‘actively champion diversity, inclusion and equality of opportunity’.

bit of a difference from the Chief Executive role these individuals will carry out!

What will it take for you to read past the headline, do some research and not come on here half cocked thinking you're on a winner. 

I didn't say that was all they did, I was using that part of their remit to show where public service priorities lie. Certainly not with patients,  in the case of the NHS.

 

You don't really need to "know whether that is wasteful or not". It's a 100 more big 'uns a year than the PM earns. The PM effectively being the CEO of the entire country, the guy with whom the buck stops and responsibility lies. That answers the question. 

 

You are an example of the "resistant to change, ideas set in stone" brigade who are preventing being fit for purpose. 

I would encourage you to do a bit more research and seek alternative sources of information. 

 

[Enzo Chiefo]

Just now, Enzo Chiefo said:

I didn't say that was all they did, I was using that part of their remit to show where public service priorities lie. Certainly not with patients,  in the case of the NHS.

 

You don't really need to "know whether that is wasteful or not". It's a 100 more big 'uns a year than the PM earns. The PM effectively being the CEO of the entire country, the guy with whom the buck stops and responsibility lies. That answers the question. 

 

You are an example of the "resistant to change, ideas set in stone" brigade who are preventing being fit for purpose. 

I would encourage you to do a bit more research and seek alternative sources of information. 

 

* preventing the NHS being fit for purpose. 

[Ray Gin]

15 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

So I hear. Just adding some balance that not all the moaners are still moaning 👍

 

Who'd have thought, no restrictions and better outcomes?!? Maybe give it a try, strong correlation between requiring mask wearing and high cases per 100,000 in a UK context.

 

Edit: just seen your edit with the graph included and it's no joking matter. I'm not going to remove the above though as I was being flippant and don't want to retrospectively censor it. What do we actually think is causing the divergence in outcomes? Is there a case for less government intervention and trusting people to be more sensible? Or does Scotland really need another lockdown?

 

As complete guesses, I think to some degree Scotland is playing catch up. England had far higher cases back in the winter and all those people now have natural immunity.

 

Maybe also more indoor mixing up here too through crapper weather, plus our schools went back earlier.

[NANOJAMBO]

17 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

I didn't say that was all they did, I was using that part of their remit to show where public service priorities lie. Certainly not with patients,  in the case of the NHS.

 

You don't really need to "know whether that is wasteful or not". It's a 100 more big 'uns a year than the PM earns. The PM effectively being the CEO of the entire country, the guy with whom the buck stops and responsibility lies. That answers the question. 

 

You are an example of the "resistant to change, ideas set in stone" brigade who are preventing being fit for purpose. 

I would encourage you to do a bit more research and seek alternative sources of information. 

 

Says a guy who quotes the Daily Mail.  Hilarious. 

[The Mighty Thor]

17 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

I didn't say that was all they did, I was using that part of their remit to show where public service priorities lie. Certainly not with patients,  in the case of the NHS.

 

You don't really need to "know whether that is wasteful or not". It's a 100 more big 'uns a year than the PM earns. The PM effectively being the CEO of the entire country, the guy with whom the buck stops and responsibility lies. That answers the question. 

 

You are an example of the "resistant to change, ideas set in stone" brigade who are preventing being fit for purpose. 

I would encourage you to do a bit more research and seek alternative sources of information. 

 

When in hole, stop digging.

 

And for the second night in a row, we're done here. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

Oh dear