Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[The Mighty Thor]

5 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Yes I think Enzo and myself have argued that from the beginning . Making a “ Personal risk assessment” taking responsibility 

Does your responsibility consider others? Such as following mandated requirements such as wearing a mask in an indoor shopping centre?

 

I seem to recall you were fair proud of yourself the day you stormed into the St James centre without a mask. What about everyone else?

 

there's a difference between a personal risk assessment and a selfish risk assessment.

[ri Alban]

[SuperstarSteve]

1 hour ago, Victorian said:

 

I suggested this many months ago and was rounded on.  But you're spot on.  

Government keeping flights open and allowing country’s with high level cases in. Surely they are massively to blame. More so than the public who can’t control the virus coming into the country. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

8 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

*My condolences.

It’s probably way out of your cultural experiences 😎

[JudyJudyJudy]

7 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Does your responsibility consider others? Such as following mandated requirements such as wearing a mask in an indoor shopping centre?

 

I seem to recall you were fair proud of yourself the day you stormed into the St James centre without a mask. What about everyone else?

 

there's a difference between a personal risk assessment and a selfish risk assessment.

A massively ventilated indoor shopping centre you mean ? And I didn’t “ storm “ In . Drama queen ! 

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

58 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Some scientists would appear to be right. It does look like one would do very well to dodge Covid the way it is going. 

 

I can't comment on whether plan A has worked or not. My opinion is that it was necessary, if sometimes poorly executed, to get us to the point of having a vaccine solution which is keeping the current hospitalisations and ICU levels relatively low despite the virus apparently ripping though the community at present. 

Would that be a measure of some success?

 

The flaw in the plan for me has been the rhetoric that having two jabs makes you bullet proof. It has meant a lot of people have just stopped thinking about the other stuff, the hand washing, face covering in certain situations and personal space. 

 

At the end of the day, we can only really control what we do personally and be aware of what the impacts of those actions has on ourselves or others.

yes I generally agree - social distancing / restrictions etc and now vaccine all necessary and a qualified success 

 

but as part of that plan we were always likely to fundamentally reach this stage irrespective of how people behaved if they returned to anything like normal (which they are allowed to do)

 

the aus / nz opening-up issues also totally predicted which again doesn’t mean that their overall strategy hadn’t worked just that this was always going to be part of it

 

i agree to a point about the bullet-proof thing but almost any daily activity is causing risk short of us all continuing to social distance even although it’s not enforced anymore

 

a couple of statements from the dentist and chief mammy in the distant past are hard to argue with :

 

- cases rise when people mix together

 

- just because you are allowed to do something doesn’t mean you necessarily should (think that was during the proposed Xmas opening up fiasco)

 

I think the current (better than pre-vaccine etc) state was inevitable assuming realistic opening-up behaviour

 

even outside - the game on Sunday / the public transport use / crowded ? pubs etc surely going to spark a few cases some of which will spark further etc - inevitable unfortunately

 

 

[redjambo]

Scottish numbers: 10 September 2021

Summary

• 6,815 new cases of COVID-19 reported [-21; up from 6,711 a week ago]
• 65,183 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [-2,518]
  • 11.1% of these were positive [+0.3%]
• 22 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [+10]
• 82 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-5]
• 977 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+49]
• 4,135,329 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 3,762,367 have received their second dose [+1,723; +5,030]

[The Mighty Thor]

2 minutes ago, jonesy said:

A very eloquent and convincing post.

 

But you're missing a fundamental point. We have been culturally raised to make personal value judgements as to how we live our lives. One man's comfortable level of risk is another's step too far. It might even be suggested that such diversity of thought would have been celebrated given its association with freedom of thought and expression. To then, suddenly, and with only the precedent of an authoritarian state like the PRC to follow, apply the blunt instrument of mandated collective responsibility, loss of personal freedom and adherence to top-down guidance when we witness on a daily basis and in the most public forums the petty squabbles of politicians attempting to demean and undermine each other's arguments, is it little wonder that some people might bristle at being told what to do by the here-today-gone-tomorrow gaggle of incompetent self-interested ghouls that haunt the corridors of power, no matter which rosette they happen to pin on their jackets?

 

Which brings us back to personal responsibility. Well, as you rightly imply, those who make decisions must own the consequences of those decisions. But what is missing, IMO, from your understanding of this is that there was nothing that forced those consequences to be lockdown, loss of liberty, loss of livelihood, and in some cases - more than one in my own context - loss of life. It must be very nice to be able to look at folk who, through exercising their - possibly but not always well-intentioned - personal responsibility and judge them to be the ones causing the awful situation that we can all agree living under government restrictions is. But no, I disagree. There is a step in the process between James' sashaying and 'making it go sideways'. And that is the decision making process of government who, under pressure and expectation from a variety of interested parties, will make what they feel to be the most expedient decision from their perspective, just as James did with his. Your conflation of non adherence to at-times arbitrary and conflicting guidance and exercising of personal responsibility leading to punishing outcomes for the majority of society is completely understandable, but still, in my view flawed.

 

 

You're right. We constantly make personal value judgements within a moral and often legal framework and I agree with you that the charlatans that rattle around the halls of Westminster and Holyrood cannot be trusted but in this particular situation you have to add in a layer of expert opinion and science (I accept not everyone believes in what they say either). The advice from Government was really the advice from those who understood how a virus works, and often in this case, didn't understand how a virus worked. 

 

Do you honestly think that lockdowns were not necessary? Do you think that people would have had the level of knowledge and understanding of epidemiology to navigate a rapidly evolving virus pandemic and make the right choices or do you not think that most people would have carried on regardless as 'rules are for fools'?

 

You're right there is a step between one individual sashaying into St James centre without a mask doesn't end the world but then if they do that then why can I not do this and so on and so on and so on and then nobody is wearing a mask or washing their hands and social distancing and a highly transmissible variant like Delta is running amok and some poor bugger or their family is losing a dad or a brother or a son. Is that personal judgement?

 

Again I'll ask where does what's right for you become what's right for everyone else because the world ain't all about you. 

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

31 minutes ago, jonesy said:

A very eloquent and convincing post.

 

But you're missing a fundamental point. We have been culturally raised to make personal value judgements as to how we live our lives. One man's comfortable level of risk is another's step too far. It might even be suggested that such diversity of thought would have been celebrated given its association with freedom of thought and expression. To then, suddenly, and with only the precedent of an authoritarian state like the PRC to follow, apply the blunt instrument of mandated collective responsibility, loss of personal freedom and adherence to top-down guidance when we witness on a daily basis and in the most public forums the petty squabbles of politicians attempting to demean and undermine each other's arguments, is it little wonder that some people might bristle at being told what to do by the here-today-gone-tomorrow gaggle of incompetent self-interested ghouls that haunt the corridors of power, no matter which rosette they happen to pin on their jackets?

 

Which brings us back to personal responsibility. Well, as you rightly imply, those who make decisions must own the consequences of those decisions. But what is missing, IMO, from your understanding of this is that there was nothing that forced those consequences to be lockdown, loss of liberty, loss of livelihood, and in some cases - more than one in my own context - loss of life. It must be very nice to be able to look at folk who, through exercising their - possibly but not always well-intentioned - personal responsibility and judge them to be the ones causing the awful situation that we can all agree living under government restrictions is. But no, I disagree. There is a step in the process between James' sashaying and 'making it go sideways'. And that is the decision making process of government who, under pressure and expectation from a variety of interested parties, will make what they feel to be the most expedient decision from their perspective, just as James did with his. Your conflation of non adherence to at-times arbitrary and conflicting guidance and exercising of personal responsibility leading to punishing outcomes for the majority of society is completely understandable, but still, in my view flawed.

 

 

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[redjambo]

The latest trend stats:

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	WHO		Today	Yesterday			9 Sep	8 Sep	7 Sep	6 Sep	5 Sep	...	1 Sep
Scotland	4		818	817	+1		809	815	821	763	777	...	726
West Dunbartonshire	4		1321	1296	+25		1227	1199	1235	1126	1130	...	1149
North Lanarkshire	4		1155	1196	-41		1236	1250	1284	1219	1260	...	1214
Inverclyde	4		1151	1168	-17		1135	1243	1257	1215	1244	...	1132
East Renfrewshire	4		1091	1075	+16		1073	1091	1093	1008	1117	...	997
Renfrewshire	4		1078	1102	-24		1123	1132	1156	1108	1122	...	1037
Glasgow City	4		1014	1036	-22		1032	1046	1062	999	1035	...	954
South Lanarkshire	4		966	987	-21		981	1006	1015	947	992	...	964
Clackmannanshire	4		944	975	-31		990	990	1020	901	815	...	706
East Dunbartonshire	4		913	956	-43		1006	997	1023	984	1071	...	1171
North Ayrshire	4		892	837	+55		857	836	833	775	801	...	724
Midlothian	4		890	888	+2		905	895	872	794	787	...	681
Dundee City	4		859	845	+14		792	827	824	751	764	...	672
Fife	4		849	830	+19		795	784	770	707	667	...	563
Falkirk	4		845	848	-3		838	843	844	749	752	...	653
West Lothian	4		817	822	-5		778	765	773	729	722	...	690
East Ayrshire	4		813	781	+32		747	722	698	655	711	...	609
Argyll & Bute	4		763	784	-21		809	826	824	770	760	...	756
Edinburgh City	4		744	723	+21		726	753	753	691	706	...	710
South Ayrshire	4		715	721	-6		706	721	706	646	719	...	629
Stirling	4		699	695	+4		651	664	689	619	608	...	596
Aberdeenshire	4		670	621	+49		568	552	559	497	471	...	411
Highland	4		632	611	+21		614	612	619	567	559	...	517
Aberdeen City	4		607	588	+19		542	549	525	465	450	...	392
Dumfries & Galloway	4		589	566	+23		576	573	584	585	610	...	635
East Lothian	4		584	608	-24		606	652	678	620	641	...	602
Angus	4		551	544	+7		540	567	577	508	509	...	401
Scottish Borders	4		453	462	-9		495	463	471	445	448	...	445
Perth & Kinross	4		394	384	+10		358	352	363	321	325	...	313
Shetland Islands	4		337	310	+27		306	289	302	306	345	...	227
Moray	4		260	254	+6		259	244	225	203	209	...	194
Na h-Eileanan Siar	4		166	189	-23		223	181	185	185	174	...	192
Orkney Islands	3		147	147	0		129	89	80	67	71	...	54
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			9 Sep	8 Sep	7 Sep	6 Sep	5 Sep	...	1 Sep
Tests			55345	54395	+950		53496	53518	53142	49869	50941	...	45041
Cases			6391	6376	+15		6314	6365	6414	5960	6067	...	5668
Positivity rate %			12.3	12.5	-0.2		12.6	12.7	12.9	12.7	12.7	...	13.3
Deaths			11.1	9.4	+1.7		10.1	9.0	7.7	7.7	7.7	...	5.4
All Vaccinations			10587	11496	-909		11576	12093	13042	13162	13684	...	16353
1st Dose			3040	3228	-188		3220	3227	3225	2950	2724	...	2979
2nd Dose			7547	8268	-721		8356	8866	9817	10212	10960	...	13374
All in hospital			822	776	+46		732	696	665	633	603	...	490
Non-ICU			748	705	+43		666	633	605	576	547	...	441
ICU			74	71	+3		66	63	60	57	56	...	49

[scott herbertson]

14 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

You're right. We constantly make personal value judgements within a moral and often legal framework and I agree with you that the charlatans that rattle around the halls of Westminster and Holyrood cannot be trusted but in this particular situation you have to add in a layer of expert opinion and science (I accept not everyone believes in what they say either). The advice from Government was really the advice from those who understood how a virus works, and often in this case, didn't understand how a virus worked. 

 

Do you honestly think that lockdowns were not necessary? Do you think that people would have had the level of knowledge and understanding of epidemiology to navigate a rapidly evolving virus pandemic and make the right choices or do you not think that most people would have carried on regardless as 'rules are for fools'?

 

You're right there is a step between one individual sashaying into St James centre without a mask doesn't end the world but then if they do that then why can I not do this and so on and so on and so on and then nobody is wearing a mask or washing their hands and social distancing and a highly transmissible variant like Delta is running amok and some poor bugger or their family is losing a dad or a brother or a son. Is that personal judgement?

 

Again I'll ask where does what's right for you become what's right for everyone else because the world ain't all about you. 

 

 

 

 

I have consistently (for the last 40 years) blamed this song and all it stands for as the root of all evil

 

 

Edited September 10, 2021 by scott herbertson

[JudyJudyJudy]

11 minutes ago, jonesy said:

I honestly believe lockdowns are morally wrong. Whether they were necessary probably depends on your view of what government is for. For me, governments are not there to 'save lives' (to use their own rather nebulous term) but rather not to harm us as an entity in themselves. Applying that value set would, and I appreciate that many people will strongly disagree with it, mean that lockdowns were not, and probably will not ever be, justified.

 

Anyway, I guess it's all very abstract which is difficult to maintain when we likely all know people who have suffered or died because of situation around the pandemic - both the virus itself and the consequences of the government's actions.

👍👍

[The Mighty Thor]

31 minutes ago, jonesy said:

I honestly believe lockdowns are morally wrong. Whether they were necessary probably depends on your view of what government is for. For me, governments are not there to 'save lives' (to use their own rather nebulous term) but rather not to harm us as an entity in themselves. Applying that value set would, and I appreciate that many people will strongly disagree with it, mean that lockdowns were not, and probably will not ever be, justified.

 

Anyway, I guess it's all very abstract which is difficult to maintain when we likely all know people who have suffered or died because of situation around the pandemic - both the virus itself and the consequences of the government's actions.

I totally understand your first point and genuinely respect it and your belief in it.

 

I personally think, and it's probably a big statement on my cynicism and lack of faith in human nature, that had we followed a model of personal judgement, as you would rather the government had, then the number of those people we know who would have suffered or died would be greater by order of magnitude. 

[Victorian]

Numbers are hovering quite annoyingly.  This is going to drag on a bit.  Maybe this level of infection is our equilibrium (not adjusted for seasonal forcing).  Input the seasonal forcing and the winter months look mighty hazardous.  Unless things change.

 

People remembering they're still part of the epidemic would help but hey... personal risk assessment blah rhubarb.

[XB52]

10 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

I totally understand your first point and genuinely respect it and your belief in it.

 

I personally think, and it's probably a big statement on my cynicism and lack of faith in human nature, that had we followed a model of personal judgement, as you would rather the government had, then the number of those people we know who would have suffered or died would be greater by order of magnitude. 

There is zero doubt that lockdowns saved lives and prevented the NHS being totally overwhelmed. There are arguments about how long and how stringent these lockdowns should have been but they worked. 

[XB52]

I see vaccination rates are tumbling but, apart from going full Chinese and dragging people out their houses and into vaccination centres, not sure what more can be done

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

20 minutes ago, XB52 said:

There is zero doubt that lockdowns saved lives and prevented the NHS being totally overwhelmed. There are arguments about how long and how stringent these lockdowns should have been but they worked. 

“zero doubt” that lockdown saved (or probably more accurately extended - which is very important too) mostly covid lives

 

the net affect of lockdown on ‘saved’ all lives cannot be properly quantified at a local/country level yet with a great deal of confidence far less a global level eg we save one life 2 die of hunger out of sight - we have a vaccine booster program and save x lives and 2x lives die out of sight due to vaccine shortages on the other side of the world etc

 

there is pretty much “zero doubt” about “zero” to do with this pandemic when it comes to quantifying numbers/approaches

 

 

Edited September 10, 2021 by MoncurMacdonaldMercer

[XB52]

40 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

“zero doubt” that lockdown saved (or probably more accurately extended - which is very important too) mostly covid lives

 

the net affect of lockdown on ‘saved’ all lives cannot be properly quantified at a local/country level yet with a great deal of confidence far less a global level eg we save one life 2 die of hunger out of sight - we have a vaccine booster program and save x lives and 2x lives die out of sight due to vaccine shortages on the other side of the world etc

 

there is pretty much “zero doubt” about “zero” to do with this pandemic when it comes to quantifying numbers/approaches

 

 

No argument about lack of vaccines shortages causing loss of lives in other countries. However I was talking about our strategy and how it affected our country(Scotland/uk) and lockdowns worked 

[The Real Maroonblood]

2 hours ago, redjambo said:

The latest trend stats:

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	WHO		Today	Yesterday			9 Sep	8 Sep	7 Sep	6 Sep	5 Sep	...	1 Sep
Scotland	4		818	817	+1		809	815	821	763	777	...	726
West Dunbartonshire	4		1321	1296	+25		1227	1199	1235	1126	1130	...	1149
North Lanarkshire	4		1155	1196	-41		1236	1250	1284	1219	1260	...	1214
Inverclyde	4		1151	1168	-17		1135	1243	1257	1215	1244	...	1132
East Renfrewshire	4		1091	1075	+16		1073	1091	1093	1008	1117	...	997
Renfrewshire	4		1078	1102	-24		1123	1132	1156	1108	1122	...	1037
Glasgow City	4		1014	1036	-22		1032	1046	1062	999	1035	...	954
South Lanarkshire	4		966	987	-21		981	1006	1015	947	992	...	964
Clackmannanshire	4		944	975	-31		990	990	1020	901	815	...	706
East Dunbartonshire	4		913	956	-43		1006	997	1023	984	1071	...	1171
North Ayrshire	4		892	837	+55		857	836	833	775	801	...	724
Midlothian	4		890	888	+2		905	895	872	794	787	...	681
Dundee City	4		859	845	+14		792	827	824	751	764	...	672
Fife	4		849	830	+19		795	784	770	707	667	...	563
Falkirk	4		845	848	-3		838	843	844	749	752	...	653
West Lothian	4		817	822	-5		778	765	773	729	722	...	690
East Ayrshire	4		813	781	+32		747	722	698	655	711	...	609
Argyll & Bute	4		763	784	-21		809	826	824	770	760	...	756
Edinburgh City	4		744	723	+21		726	753	753	691	706	...	710
South Ayrshire	4		715	721	-6		706	721	706	646	719	...	629
Stirling	4		699	695	+4		651	664	689	619	608	...	596
Aberdeenshire	4		670	621	+49		568	552	559	497	471	...	411
Highland	4		632	611	+21		614	612	619	567	559	...	517
Aberdeen City	4		607	588	+19		542	549	525	465	450	...	392
Dumfries & Galloway	4		589	566	+23		576	573	584	585	610	...	635
East Lothian	4		584	608	-24		606	652	678	620	641	...	602
Angus	4		551	544	+7		540	567	577	508	509	...	401
Scottish Borders	4		453	462	-9		495	463	471	445	448	...	445
Perth & Kinross	4		394	384	+10		358	352	363	321	325	...	313
Shetland Islands	4		337	310	+27		306	289	302	306	345	...	227
Moray	4		260	254	+6		259	244	225	203	209	...	194
Na h-Eileanan Siar	4		166	189	-23		223	181	185	185	174	...	192
Orkney Islands	3		147	147	0		129	89	80	67	71	...	54
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			9 Sep	8 Sep	7 Sep	6 Sep	5 Sep	...	1 Sep
Tests			55345	54395	+950		53496	53518	53142	49869	50941	...	45041
Cases			6391	6376	+15		6314	6365	6414	5960	6067	...	5668
Positivity rate %			12.3	12.5	-0.2		12.6	12.7	12.9	12.7	12.7	...	13.3
Deaths			11.1	9.4	+1.7		10.1	9.0	7.7	7.7	7.7	...	5.4
All Vaccinations			10587	11496	-909		11576	12093	13042	13162	13684	...	16353
1st Dose			3040	3228	-188		3220	3227	3225	2950	2724	...	2979
2nd Dose			7547	8268	-721		8356	8866	9817	10212	10960	...	13374
All in hospital			822	776	+46		732	696	665	633	603	...	490
Non-ICU			748	705	+43		666	633	605	576	547	...	441
ICU			74	71	+3		66	63	60	57	56	...	49

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[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

23 minutes ago, XB52 said:

No argument about lack of vaccines shortages causing loss of lives in other countries. However I was talking about our strategy and how it affected our country(Scotland/uk) and lockdowns worked 

It depends how tightly you define it - until we see excess deaths in the coming years it will be difficult to quantify whether there has been a net saving of lives or not

 

again depending on how that is then defined eg years saved rather than lives saved is an acceptable measure in some analysis so while a 85 year old is every bit as important as a 40 year old lockdown could save 3 years on the latter and maybe loses 30 on the latter

 

basically there is not (at this stage or likely ever) “zero doubt”

 

 

[Салатные палочки]

Visiting suspended in Crosshouse and Ayr hospitals. 

 

https://www.irvinetimes.com/news/19573394.nhs-ayrshire-arran-hospital-visits-suspended-essential/

[Unknown user]

6 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

He has overplayed it. He actually stated that one person sashaying through a shopping centre without a mask "was making the Govt strategy fail".

 

[XB52]

6 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

He's a critical thinker don't you know😁😁

[Enzo Chiefo]

14 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Yet another intellectual belly flop from you Smiff.

 

[Enzo Chiefo]

6 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

I cannot and will not argue the care home fiasco. Head should roll for that.

 

The NHS, through their clinical and public health people did what they could to put effective infection control procedures in place. They advised you to wash your hands, they advised you to wear a mask, to avoid gatherings, to socially distance and then the NHS played their trump card, they offered you a vaccine.  I'm not really sure what else they could do other than send someone round to bed bath your hands for you?

 

You've been chuntering on for 18 months about big government intervention and how you could critically think for yourself and yet lapse into the classic 'somebody (the NHS) should do something'. You're right somebody should and that somebody is you. If you take the precautions and mitigations and everyone else does then et voila the virus is under control. 

 

The virus is still running at high case levels. I'll tell you who has failed?

 

Us. 

I'm actually referring to infection control within their own buildings and amongst their own staff. Hospitals were one of the biggest infection sources and there is plenty anecdotal evidence of nurses working on Covid and non Covid wards  during the same shift,  gathering in staff bays without distancing and being provided with face coverings rather than medical grade masks etc etc. Basic common sense really.

[Unknown user]

2 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Yet another intellectual belly flop from you Smiff.

 

 

Hey you made an arse of yourself, don't turn it on me

[Konrad von Carstein]

5 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Hey you made an arse of yourself, don't turn it on me

[manaliveits105]

“I’ve been health minister for 5 years and First minister for 7 years (ooooooooh) and I’ve never known so much pressure on the NHS”  very insightful from the fish it’s a pandemic !

 

absolute failure for the love of God just go and take yer colleagues with you yer crap 

[Enzo Chiefo]

28 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Hey you made an arse of yourself, don't turn it on me

Heeeey! I was 100% correct. I quoted what Thor said, word for word.👍

[Unknown user]

5 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Heeeey! I was 100% correct. I quoted what Thor said, word for word.👍

 

You're either deliberately misrepresenting his point or you're thick as a Welshman's cock and don't understand.

 

Either way, a well earned facepalm.

 

Appeal dismissed.

[Don Dan]

2 hours ago, Salad Fingers said:

Visiting suspended in Crosshouse and Ayr hospitals. 

 

https://www.irvinetimes.com/news/19573394.nhs-ayrshire-arran-hospital-visits-suspended-essential/

 

My son who repaired, services and commissions medical equipment like ventilators was in Crosshouse earlier this week. I hope he hasn't caught Covid, he's had one Jab so far. I just checked with him and he was in the Medical Physics Dept. Thankfully was using the back door. 

[Nucky Thompson]

1 hour ago, Smithee said:

 

You're either deliberately misrepresenting his point or you're thick as a Welshman's cock and don't understand.

 

Either way, a well earned facepalm.

 

Appeal dismissed.

Welshmen's?? Really  

Is everything that PC that you can't even say who's renowned for having big willies now 

[JudyJudyJudy]

21 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Welshmen's?? Really  

Is everything that PC that you can't even say who's renowned for having big willies now 

 

[Unknown user]

35 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Welshmen's?? Really  

Is everything that PC that you can't even say who's renowned for having big willies now 

 

It's historic believe it or not, IIRC "short and thick, like a Welshman's prick" originally, with plenty of variations

[Nucky Thompson]

14 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

 

I had a feeling you be all over this James 

[Victorian]

2 hours ago, Smithee said:

 

You're either deliberately misrepresenting his point or you're thick as a Welshman's cock and don't understand.

 

Either way, a well earned facepalm.

 

Appeal dismissed.

 

[Nucky Thompson]

4 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

It's historic believe it or not, IIRC "short and thick, like a Welshman's prick" originally, with plenty of variations

Never heard the saying Smithee. You learn something everyday 

[Dazo]

1 minute ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Never heard the saying Smithee. You learn something everyday 

Never heard it either, sounds more like research. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

6 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Never heard the saying Smithee. You learn something everyday 

 

9 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

I had a feeling you be all over this James 

😂

[Unknown user]

19 minutes ago, Dazo said:

Never heard it either, sounds more like research. 

 

I have looked into it, it was even in Roger's profanisaurus in Viz many years ago. But I'm quite into swearing, interesting subject.

For example, did you know, in Holland swearing is based on disease rather than sexual organs?

You can call someone a Cancer dog, or Born with aids.

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

I have looked into it, it was even in Roger's profanisaurus in Viz many years ago. But I'm quite into swearing, interesting subject.

For example, did you know, in Holland swearing is based on disease rather than sexual organs?

You can call someone a Cancer dog, or Born with aids.

The origins and use of the ^^^^ word is really fascinating too . It can be used as a really mean insult or a term of endearment . Very unusual really . Germaine Greer feels it’s one of the last words in the English language which can still cause shock. 

[The Mighty Thor]

4 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

The origins and use of the ^^^^ word is really fascinating too . It can be used as a really mean insult or a term of endearment . Very unusual really . Germaine Greer feels it’s one of the last words in the English language which can still cause shock. 

I believe that the C bomb has a unique place in the Scottish vernacular where it has so many good uses. 

 

In my experience the yanks are probably the most shocked by its casual use. The ^^^^s 😎

 

 

[Nucky Thompson]

11 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

I have looked into it, it was even in Roger's profanisaurus in Viz many years ago. But I'm quite into swearing, interesting subject.

For example, did you know, in Holland swearing is based on disease rather than sexual organs?

You can call someone a Cancer dog, or Born with aids.

Is it you that lived in Holland Smithee?

 

I remember a poster with Dutch connections.

 

My 2 sisters married Dutch guys and lived in the Hague. Been there loads of times

[Taffin]

16 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

I have looked into it, it was even in Roger's profanisaurus in Viz many years ago. But I'm quite into swearing, interesting subject.

For example, did you know, in Holland swearing is based on disease rather than sexual organs?

You can call someone a Cancer dog, or Born with aids.

 

A couple of Dutch lads I met travelling taught me a song that went some like "insert name, have you a mask on? Oh no it's your cancer head"

 

😱 

 

 

[Unknown user]

3 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Is it you that lived in Holland Smithee?

 

I remember a poster with Dutch connections.

 

My 2 sisters married Dutch guys and lived in the Hague. Been there loads of times

Aye ten years over there, great country

[Unknown user]

1 minute ago, Taffin said:

 

A couple of Dutch lads I met travelling taught me a song that went some like "insert name, have you a mask on? Oh no it's your cancer head"

 

😱

 

 

don't know that one!

Edited September 10, 2021 by Smithee

[Nucky Thompson]

1 minute ago, Smithee said:

Aye ten years over there, great country

[Unknown user]

6 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

I believe that the C bomb has a unique place in the Scottish vernacular where it has so many good uses. 

 

In my experience the yanks are probably the most shocked by its casual use. The ^^^^s 😎

 

 

 

I think we have to give Australia some kudos here as well

[JudyJudyJudy]

10 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

I believe that the C bomb has a unique place in the Scottish vernacular where it has so many good uses. 

 

In my experience the yanks are probably the most shocked by its casual use. The ^^^^s 😎

 

 

Oh yes they are . I read a great story about Helen Mirren . She was on her first day of filming on an American set and walked on to the set and exclaimed “ Good morning ^^^^s” ( As in the endearment way ) apparently there was a stoner silence 😂

[Governor Tarkin]

4 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

 intellectual belly flop