Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[JudyJudyJudy]

13 minutes ago, Dazo said:

 

We will live with it. The contingency plan leaks are the continual comfort blankets for the poor souls and shop assistants that need it to get through the day. 

I agree . I don’t think there will be anything near a full lockdown again . The SG are “letting “ us get used to a certain level of daily deaths , whereas before it was shock / horror  when 2/3 died . We are geting to a more realistic state of Affairs now ( living with it not in fear of it ) 

[Dennis Reynolds]

3 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

I don’t think many on jkb understand what contingency planning is. It would be utter negligence by govts not to have contingency planning for a variety of scenarios that may occur. Some of those scenario’s will be good, some will be bad but it is important to be prepared as possible for whatever occurs. 
 

No one in any govts wants to introduce more restrictions. However, they need to be prepared for it. Good, bad or planned. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

The days of lockdowns are gone imo. The vaccine seems to be successful at reducing the greatest effects of the virus. You hope improving vaccines and natural immunity continue that trend. Might be a few bumps along the way but I think the plan is broadly on track. 

 

Completely agree! The last paragraph is absolutely spot on.

[The Mighty Thor]

1 hour ago, Victorian said:

Maybe the virus will behave like the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal from The Hitckhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and think that it can no longer see us if we can't see it.

What virus?

 

 

[Enzo Chiefo]

2 hours ago, jonesy said:

I remember an Eddie Izzard bit where he was talking about how there are different classes of murder, but over a certain number the human brain just can't comprehend and just kind of shuts down or dismisses it. Something like: You killed 100 people? You must get up very early in the morning! Feels quite similar here. 

 

Perhaps a weekly 'infections are up/down' would have been enough for general public consumption. 

Yes, spot on. The problem with the headline 100, 200, 1000 deaths a day was the lack of context.

The general public tend to read that in the same way they would a terrorist massacre.

It's far more nuanced; deaths WITH rather than of Covid, those who are already terminally ill etc and, yes, a very small number, with no underlying health conditions  

 

[Victorian]

Shop assistant bantz from Dazo.  Lol.  

[Enzo Chiefo]

1 hour ago, Victorian said:

Maybe the virus will behave like the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal from The Hitckhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and think that it can no longer see us if we can't see it.

You've described lockdown perfectly.  If we hide in here, Jacinda Ahern-style, it won't know we're here.

Unfortunately,  the virus isn't the Child Catcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang which is why we are back out on the streets building a wall of immunity that sees us living alongside an endemic virus.

[Victorian]

44 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

I don’t think many on jkb understand what contingency planning is. It would be utter negligence by govts not to have contingency planning for a variety of scenarios that may occur. Some of those scenario’s will be good, some will be bad but it is important to be prepared as possible for whatever occurs. 
 

No one in any govts wants to introduce more restrictions. However, they need to be prepared for it. Good, bad or planned. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

The days of lockdowns are gone imo. The vaccine seems to be successful at reducing the greatest effects of the virus. You hope improving vaccines and natural immunity continue that trend. Might be a few bumps along the way but I think the plan is broadly on track. 
 

 

 

 

 

Well put.

[Enzo Chiefo]

1 hour ago, JamesM48 said:

I agree . I don’t think there will be anything near a full lockdown again . The SG are “letting “ us get used to a certain level of daily deaths , whereas before it was shock / horror  when 2/3 died . We are geting to a more realistic state of Affairs now ( living with it not in fear of it ) 

Yes. That's the truth of it, James. 

[Victorian]

Just now, Enzo Chiefo said:

You've described lockdown perfectly.  If we hide in here, Jacinda Ahern-style, it won't know we're here.

Unfortunately,  the virus isn't the Child Catcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang which is why we are back out on the streets building a wall of immunity that sees us living alongside an endemic virus.

 

Critical thought malfunction alert.  That's not what lockdown was for.  Certainly not here.  Lockdown was all about suppression and spreading out harm over time to never over-top resources.  Any future return of targeted measures will be the same.  We've never attempted to live separately from this virus.

[JudyJudyJudy]

4 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Yes. That's the truth of it, James. 

👍

[Jambo-Jimbo]

51 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

I don’t think many on jkb understand what contingency planning is. It would be utter negligence by govts not to have contingency planning for a variety of scenarios that may occur. Some of those scenario’s will be good, some will be bad but it is important to be prepared as possible for whatever occurs. 
 

No one in any govts wants to introduce more restrictions. However, they need to be prepared for it. Good, bad or planned. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

The days of lockdowns are gone imo. The vaccine seems to be successful at reducing the greatest effects of the virus. You hope improving vaccines and natural immunity continue that trend. Might be a few bumps along the way but I think the plan is broadly on track. 
 

 

 

 

 

Not just national government, but local government and the NHS have contingency plans.

At the BGH as all hospitals will have, they have contingency plans for major events/disasters, bus, rail & plane crashes, but also plans in case there is another rise in hospitalisations due to covid, which wards will need to be used, what other wards do those patients get transfered to etc etc, you need to plan for these events in advance.

[Enzo Chiefo]

4 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Critical thought malfunction alert.  That's not what lockdown was for.  Certainly not here.  Lockdown was all about suppression and spreading out harm over time to never over-top resources.  Any future return of targeted measures will be the same.  We've never attempted to live separately from this virus.

Critical thinking faculties checked and it's full power ahead.

If the truth be told, lockdown wasn't really a scientific response,  more a wtf can we, or do we, do now. It was a panic measure but, back then, excusable due to lack of knowledge.  Chris Whitty, if you recall, was still assuring us that mass outdoor sporting events were perfectly safe and Jason Leitch was even encouraging his "trouble and strife " to go to a Stereophonics gig.

 

Don't know about living separately from but , in Scotland at least, the Govt  were pursuing an elimination strategy.  NZ are still on that lonely road.

[ri Alban]

3 hours ago, Taffin said:

A - "Look, look, look the Fish is bringing back restrictions!"

 

B- "Its sensible to have contingency plans" 

 

B - "Look, look, look Boris is bringing back restrictions!" 

 

 

 

 

Don't see a problem with it, whomever does it. 

 

But it's usually the dafties giving the FM a hard time, then on their when their overlords have spoken.

Edited September 7, 2021 by ri Alban

[Taffin]

6 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Don't see a problem with it, whomever does it. 

 

But it's usually the dafties giving the FM a hard time, then on their when their overlords have spoken.

 

Nor do I, I just find it funny.

 

"You just hate Sturgeon"

 

"You just hate Boris"

 

Blah, blah as nauseum.

 

 

Sturgeon does have a tendency to give them ammo though by saying one thing then doing another whilst also trying (and usually succeeding) in taking the high ground whilst Boris, well we all know Boris...he's no interest in the high ground.

 

Let's be honest, they've both overseen a spectacular mishandling of the pandemic.

Edited September 7, 2021 by Taffin

[Victorian]

2 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Critical thinking faculties checked and it's full power ahead.

If the truth be told, lockdown wasn't really a scientific response,  more a wtf can we, or do we, do now. It was a panic measure but, back then, excusable due to lack of knowledge.  Chris Whitty, if you recall, was still assuring us that mass outdoor sporting events were perfectly safe and Jason Leitch was even encouraging his "trouble and strife " to go to a Stereophonics gig.

 

Don't know about living separately from but , in Scotland at least, the Govt  were pursuing an elimination strategy.  NZ are still on that lonely road.

 

Last paragraph.. 

 

Sort of.  Scotland tried an elimination policy to attempt to reduce prevalence to micro levels.  But that was also in response to old science and without the knowledge that has since come.  Therefore excusable by the same logic.

 

Back then the belief was that the first large wave was over and that the coming vaccine stage would ensure there wouldn't be any more waves like it.  Science has been taken for surprise and kept on the back foot ever since by the effects of some of the epidemiological traits of this virus plus the transmissibility of newer variants.

[Gizmo]

3 hours ago, Victorian said:

Maybe the virus will behave like the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal from The Hitckhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and think that it can no longer see us if we can't see it.

 

Under-rated post. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, Taffin said:

 

Nor do I, I just find it funny.

 

"You just hate Sturgeon"

 

"You just hate Boris"

 

Blah, blah as nauseum.

 

 

Sturgeon does have a tendency to give them ammo though by saying one thing then doing another whilst also trying (and usually succeeding) in taking the high ground whilst Boris, well we all know Boris...he's no interest in the high ground.

 

Let's be honest, they've both overseen a spectacular mishandling of the pandemic.

👍

[Victorian]

Almost stat time so it's time for the jellyfish among us to wrap a towel around their heads.  

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, Taffin said:

 

Nor do I, I just find it funny.

 

"You just hate Sturgeon"

 

"You just hate Boris"

 

Blah, blah as nauseum.

 

 

Sturgeon does have a tendency to give them ammo though by saying one thing then doing another whilst also trying (and usually succeeding) in taking the high ground whilst Boris, well we all know Boris...he's no interest in the high ground.

 

Let's be honest, they've both overseen a spectacular mishandling of the pandemic.

👍

[redjambo]

I couldn't be bothered doing the stats today, but the thought that @Enzo Chiefo would probably find it difficult to get through his day without them gave me the motivation to go ahead and get them done. These are for you, my friend.

 

Scottish numbers: 7 September 2021

Summary

• 5,692 new cases of COVID-19 reported [-1,373; down from 6,029 a week ago]
• 46,146 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [-6,047]
  • 13.2% of these were positive [-1.3%]
• 16 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [+16]
• 77 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+6]
• 805 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+34]
• 4,128,998 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 3,742,826 have received their second dose [+2,735; +6,064]

[Victorian]

Not bad.  Hopefully the start of a better pattern.  

[redjambo]

The latest trend stats.

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	WHO		Today	Yesterday			6 Sep	5 Sep	4 Sep	3 Sep	2 Sep	...	1 Sep
Scotland	4		815	821	-6		763	777	772	774	747	...	726
North Lanarkshire	4		1250	1284	-34		1219	1260	1278	1292	1261	...	1214
Inverclyde	4		1243	1257	-14		1215	1244	1220	1235	1238	...	1132
West Dunbartonshire	4		1199	1235	-36		1126	1130	1138	1115	1105	...	1149
Renfrewshire	4		1132	1156	-24		1108	1122	1098	1067	1041	...	1037
East Renfrewshire	4		1091	1093	-2		1008	1117	1112	1130	1080	...	997
Glasgow City	4		1046	1062	-16		999	1035	1030	1007	989	...	954
South Lanarkshire	4		1006	1015	-9		947	992	1009	1035	1013	...	964
East Dunbartonshire	4		997	1023	-26		984	1071	1131	1196	1150	...	1171
Clackmannanshire	4		990	1020	-30		901	815	860	788	704	...	706
Midlothian	4		895	872	+23		794	787	808	831	754	...	681
Falkirk	4		843	844	-1		749	752	741	733	690	...	653
North Ayrshire	4		836	833	+3		775	801	784	787	772	...	724
Dundee City	4		827	824	+3		751	764	746	735	697	...	672
Argyll & Bute	4		826	824	+2		770	760	768	766	712	...	756
Fife	4		784	770	+14		707	667	642	635	597	...	563
West Lothian	4		765	773	-8		729	722	704	709	668	...	690
Edinburgh City	4		753	753	0		691	706	708	758	722	...	710
East Ayrshire	4		722	698	+24		655	711	657	645	627	...	609
South Ayrshire	4		721	706	+15		646	719	713	701	658	...	629
Stirling	4		664	689	-25		619	608	641	628	628	...	596
East Lothian	4		652	678	-26		620	641	687	689	604	...	602
Highland	4		612	619	-7		567	559	549	546	531	...	517
Dumfries & Galloway	4		573	584	-11		585	610	585	615	620	...	635
Angus	4		567	577	-10		508	509	479	469	430	...	401
Aberdeenshire	4		552	559	-7		497	471	456	442	424	...	411
Aberdeen City	4		549	525	+24		465	450	421	411	414	...	392
Scottish Borders	4		463	471	-8		445	448	436	442	430	...	445
Perth & Kinross	4		352	363	-11		321	325	310	306	297	...	313
Shetland Islands	4		289	302	-13		306	345	284	284	262	...	227
Moray	4		244	225	+19		203	209	200	184	183	...	194
Na h-Eileanan Siar	4		181	185	-4		185	174	177	170	170	...	192
Orkney Islands	3		89	80	+9		67	71	71	67	67	...	54
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			6 Sep	5 Sep	4 Sep	3 Sep	2 Sep	...	1 Sep
Tests			53518	53142	+376		49869	50941	49858	48710	46368	...	45041
Cases			6365	6414	-49		5960	6067	6025	6043	5832	...	5668
Positivity rate %			12.7	12.9	-0.2		12.7	12.7	12.8	13.2	13.3	...	13.3
Deaths			9.0	7.7	+1.3		7.7	7.7	7.3	6.4	6.0	...	5.4
All Vaccinations			12093	13042	-949		13162	13684	14134	14397	15364	...	16353
1st Dose			3227	3225	+2		2950	2724	2727	2745	2844	...	2979
2nd Dose			8866	9817	-951		10212	10960	11407	11652	12520	...	13374
All in hospital			696	665	+31		633	603	577	553	524	...	490
Non-ICU			633	605	+28		576	547	523	500	473	...	441
ICU			63	60	+3		57	56	54	53	51	...	49

[The Real Maroonblood]

Just now, redjambo said:

The latest trend stats.

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	WHO		Today	Yesterday			6 Sep	5 Sep	4 Sep	3 Sep	2 Sep	...	1 Sep
Scotland	4		815	821	-6		763	777	772	774	747	...	726
North Lanarkshire	4		1250	1284	-34		1219	1260	1278	1292	1261	...	1214
Inverclyde	4		1243	1257	-14		1215	1244	1220	1235	1238	...	1132
West Dunbartonshire	4		1199	1235	-36		1126	1130	1138	1115	1105	...	1149
Renfrewshire	4		1132	1156	-24		1108	1122	1098	1067	1041	...	1037
East Renfrewshire	4		1091	1093	-2		1008	1117	1112	1130	1080	...	997
Glasgow City	4		1046	1062	-16		999	1035	1030	1007	989	...	954
South Lanarkshire	4		1006	1015	-9		947	992	1009	1035	1013	...	964
East Dunbartonshire	4		997	1023	-26		984	1071	1131	1196	1150	...	1171
Clackmannanshire	4		990	1020	-30		901	815	860	788	704	...	706
Midlothian	4		895	872	+23		794	787	808	831	754	...	681
Falkirk	4		843	844	-1		749	752	741	733	690	...	653
North Ayrshire	4		836	833	+3		775	801	784	787	772	...	724
Dundee City	4		827	824	+3		751	764	746	735	697	...	672
Argyll & Bute	4		826	824	+2		770	760	768	766	712	...	756
Fife	4		784	770	+14		707	667	642	635	597	...	563
West Lothian	4		765	773	-8		729	722	704	709	668	...	690
Edinburgh City	4		753	753	0		691	706	708	758	722	...	710
East Ayrshire	4		722	698	+24		655	711	657	645	627	...	609
South Ayrshire	4		721	706	+15		646	719	713	701	658	...	629
Stirling	4		664	689	-25		619	608	641	628	628	...	596
East Lothian	4		652	678	-26		620	641	687	689	604	...	602
Highland	4		612	619	-7		567	559	549	546	531	...	517
Dumfries & Galloway	4		573	584	-11		585	610	585	615	620	...	635
Angus	4		567	577	-10		508	509	479	469	430	...	401
Aberdeenshire	4		552	559	-7		497	471	456	442	424	...	411
Aberdeen City	4		549	525	+24		465	450	421	411	414	...	392
Scottish Borders	4		463	471	-8		445	448	436	442	430	...	445
Perth & Kinross	4		352	363	-11		321	325	310	306	297	...	313
Shetland Islands	4		289	302	-13		306	345	284	284	262	...	227
Moray	4		244	225	+19		203	209	200	184	183	...	194
Na h-Eileanan Siar	4		181	185	-4		185	174	177	170	170	...	192
Orkney Islands	3		89	80	+9		67	71	71	67	67	...	54
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			6 Sep	5 Sep	4 Sep	3 Sep	2 Sep	...	1 Sep
Tests			53518	53142	+376		49869	50941	49858	48710	46368	...	45041
Cases			6365	6414	-49		5960	6067	6025	6043	5832	...	5668
Positivity rate %			12.7	12.9	-0.2		12.7	12.7	12.8	13.2	13.3	...	13.3
Deaths			9.0	7.7	+1.3		7.7	7.7	7.3	6.4	6.0	...	5.4
All Vaccinations			12093	13042	-949		13162	13684	14134	14397	15364	...	16353
1st Dose			3227	3225	+2		2950	2724	2727	2745	2844	...	2979
2nd Dose			8866	9817	-951		10212	10960	11407	11652	12520	...	13374
All in hospital			696	665	+31		633	603	577	553	524	...	490
Non-ICU			633	605	+28		576	547	523	500	473	...	441
ICU			63	60	+3		57	56	54	53	51	...	49

👍

[Enzo Chiefo]

16 minutes ago, redjambo said:

I couldn't be bothered doing the stats today, but the thought that @Enzo Chiefo would probably find it difficult to get through his day without them gave me the motivation to go ahead and get them done. These are for you, my friend.

 

Scottish numbers: 7 September 2021

Summary

• 5,692 new cases of COVID-19 reported [-1,373; down from 6,029 a week ago]
• 46,146 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [-6,047]
  • 13.2% of these were positive [-1.3%]
• 16 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [+16]
• 77 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+6]
• 805 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+34]
• 4,128,998 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 3,742,826 have received their second dose [+2,735; +6,064]

😂. I'm honoured and flattered, Red.  I'm quite prepared to come to some kinda ongoing "match ball sponsorship" type arrangement with the daily stats. 

Another poster may want to sponsor TRM's daily 👍 , post-liquid lunch.

[scott herbertson]

14 minutes ago, redjambo said:

The latest trend stats.

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	WHO		Today	Yesterday			6 Sep	5 Sep	4 Sep	3 Sep	2 Sep	...	1 Sep
Scotland	4		815	821	-6		763	777	772	774	747	...	726
North Lanarkshire	4		1250	1284	-34		1219	1260	1278	1292	1261	...	1214
Inverclyde	4		1243	1257	-14		1215	1244	1220	1235	1238	...	1132
West Dunbartonshire	4		1199	1235	-36		1126	1130	1138	1115	1105	...	1149
Renfrewshire	4		1132	1156	-24		1108	1122	1098	1067	1041	...	1037
East Renfrewshire	4		1091	1093	-2		1008	1117	1112	1130	1080	...	997
Glasgow City	4		1046	1062	-16		999	1035	1030	1007	989	...	954
South Lanarkshire	4		1006	1015	-9		947	992	1009	1035	1013	...	964
East Dunbartonshire	4		997	1023	-26		984	1071	1131	1196	1150	...	1171
Clackmannanshire	4		990	1020	-30		901	815	860	788	704	...	706
Midlothian	4		895	872	+23		794	787	808	831	754	...	681
Falkirk	4		843	844	-1		749	752	741	733	690	...	653
North Ayrshire	4		836	833	+3		775	801	784	787	772	...	724
Dundee City	4		827	824	+3		751	764	746	735	697	...	672
Argyll & Bute	4		826	824	+2		770	760	768	766	712	...	756
Fife	4		784	770	+14		707	667	642	635	597	...	563
West Lothian	4		765	773	-8		729	722	704	709	668	...	690
Edinburgh City	4		753	753	0		691	706	708	758	722	...	710
East Ayrshire	4		722	698	+24		655	711	657	645	627	...	609
South Ayrshire	4		721	706	+15		646	719	713	701	658	...	629
Stirling	4		664	689	-25		619	608	641	628	628	...	596
East Lothian	4		652	678	-26		620	641	687	689	604	...	602
Highland	4		612	619	-7		567	559	549	546	531	...	517
Dumfries & Galloway	4		573	584	-11		585	610	585	615	620	...	635
Angus	4		567	577	-10		508	509	479	469	430	...	401
Aberdeenshire	4		552	559	-7		497	471	456	442	424	...	411
Aberdeen City	4		549	525	+24		465	450	421	411	414	...	392
Scottish Borders	4		463	471	-8		445	448	436	442	430	...	445
Perth & Kinross	4		352	363	-11		321	325	310	306	297	...	313
Shetland Islands	4		289	302	-13		306	345	284	284	262	...	227
Moray	4		244	225	+19		203	209	200	184	183	...	194
Na h-Eileanan Siar	4		181	185	-4		185	174	177	170	170	...	192
Orkney Islands	3		89	80	+9		67	71	71	67	67	...	54
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			6 Sep	5 Sep	4 Sep	3 Sep	2 Sep	...	1 Sep
Tests			53518	53142	+376		49869	50941	49858	48710	46368	...	45041
Cases			6365	6414	-49		5960	6067	6025	6043	5832	...	5668
Positivity rate %			12.7	12.9	-0.2		12.7	12.7	12.8	13.2	13.3	...	13.3
Deaths			9.0	7.7	+1.3		7.7	7.7	7.3	6.4	6.0	...	5.4
All Vaccinations			12093	13042	-949		13162	13684	14134	14397	15364	...	16353
1st Dose			3227	3225	+2		2950	2724	2727	2745	2844	...	2979
2nd Dose			8866	9817	-951		10212	10960	11407	11652	12520	...	13374
All in hospital			696	665	+31		633	603	577	553	524	...	490
Non-ICU			633	605	+28		576	547	523	500	473	...	441
ICU			63	60	+3		57	56	54	53	51	...	49

 

 

Pleasant change to see so many coming down

 

....and especially PK playing a blinder

Edited September 7, 2021 by scott herbertson

[redjambo]

1 minute ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

😂. I'm honoured and flattered, Red.  I'm quite prepared to come to some kinda ongoing "match ball sponsorship" type arrangement with the daily stats. 

Another poster may want to sponsor TRM's daily 👍 , post-liquid lunch.

 

I'll consider changing them from "Scottish Numbers" to "Enzo's Scottish Numbers". We'll get a brewery firm to sponsor @The Real Maroonblood.

[redjambo]

The elephants in the room of course in today's stats are the significant jump in deaths and the continuing solid increases in hospitalisations. Much better than pre-vaccination of course, but not particularly sustainable if they continue like that.

[JudyJudyJudy]

4 minutes ago, scott herbertson said:

 

 

Pleasant change to see so many coming down

 

....and especially PK playing a blinder

1,2,3…..,,

 

. Queue the usual suspect “ yeah good numbers but the Universities are back soon “ ….. 

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, redjambo said:

The elephants in the room of course in today's stats are the significant jump in deaths and the continuing solid increases in hospitalisations. Much better than pre-vaccination of course, but not particularly sustainable if they continue like that.

 

Surely just the consequence of the recent times infections.  That will surely improve in line with infections dropping again,  whenever that happens.  

 

They used to say the link between infections and severe illness was broken.  Then it was that the link was disrupted.  No it's still there but in a less critical form.  

[manaliveits105]

They "just havent got a clue what to do" - to quote Sweet 

 

Lets get on with our lives

[ri Alban]

5 hours ago, Taffin said:

 

Nor do I, I just find it funny.

 

"You just hate Sturgeon"

 

"You just hate Boris"

 

Blah, blah as nauseum.

 

 

Sturgeon does have a tendency to give them ammo though by saying one thing then doing another whilst also trying (and usually succeeding) in taking the high ground whilst Boris, well we all know Boris...he's no interest in the high ground.

 

Let's be honest, they've both overseen a spectacular mishandling of the pandemic.

Have they. Scotland is bound by what England does.   An independent Scotland would have shut all borders and kept the Kent variant. Simple.

[Enzo Chiefo]

26 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Have they. Scotland is bound by what England does.   An independent Scotland would have shut all borders and kept the Kent variant. Simple.

The Indian variant was first discovered in Moray when a family returned from India and thought it would be a great idea not to isolate.  Sturgeon should have closed the border to protect England from the Indian variant. 

[Enzo Chiefo]

5 hours ago, Victorian said:

 

Last paragraph.. 

 

Sort of.  Scotland tried an elimination policy to attempt to reduce prevalence to micro levels.  But that was also in response to old science and without the knowledge that has since come.  Therefore excusable by the same logic.

 

Back then the belief was that the first large wave was over and that the coming vaccine stage would ensure there wouldn't be any more waves like it.  Science has been taken for surprise and kept on the back foot ever since by the effects of some of the epidemiological traits of this virus plus the transmissibility of newer variants.

Yes, a fair assessment. 

[Enzo Chiefo]

3 hours ago, redjambo said:

 

I'll consider changing them from "Scottish Numbers" to "Enzo's Scottish Numbers". We'll get a brewery firm to sponsor @The Real Maroonblood.

😂. As one of the anti-stats brigade, I, in no way, want to disparage the sterling work you do in deciphering the daily figures.👍

[Taffin]

48 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Have they. Scotland is bound by what England does.   An independent Scotland would have shut all borders and kept the Kent variant. Simple.

 

Maybe they would have, maybe they wouldn't. But it's not an independent Scotland...so yes, she's largely made a hash of it, including in things entirely within her remit.

 

Let's not go down the road again of where she found the legislative power to ban travel from England into Scotland yet supposedly has her hands tied in relation to border control.

 

We want the same thing in terms of independence, just have a different opinion of what needs done to deliver it.

[JudyJudyJudy]

4 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

They "just havent got a clue what to do" - to quote Sweet 

 

Lets get on with our lives

Yes 👍 

[weegranty]

My wife has covid,I'm negative,we are both double jagged.I don't have to self isolate and have to go to work.A work colleague's wife has covid and he is refusing the vaccine and he has to self isolate and not attend work,this doesn't seem right to me.

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

21 minutes ago, weegranty said:

My wife has covid,I'm negative,we are both double jagged.I don't have to self isolate and have to go to work.A work colleague's wife has covid and he is refusing the vaccine and he has to self isolate and not attend work,this doesn't seem right to me.

Does it seem like he’s getting a paid holiday ? 

[theshed]

24 minutes ago, weegranty said:

My wife has covid,I'm negative,we are both double jagged.I don't have to self isolate and have to go to work.A work colleague's wife has covid and he is refusing the vaccine and he has to self isolate and not attend work,this doesn't seem right to me.

Going by the rules in Scotland it’s right im afraid but it’s a joke. someone who won’t get the vaccine can sit in the house on full pay 🙈🙈

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

9 hours ago, Victorian said:

 

Last paragraph.. 

 

Sort of.  Scotland tried an elimination policy to attempt to reduce prevalence to micro levels.  But that was also in response to old science and without the knowledge that has since come.  Therefore excusable by the same logic.

 

Back then the belief was that the first large wave was over and that the coming vaccine stage would ensure there wouldn't be any more waves like it.  Science has been taken for surprise and kept on the back foot ever since by the effects of some of the epidemiological traits of this virus plus the transmissibility of newer variants.

some scientists have said from day 1 we would end up having to live with this and any lockdown or elimination strategy while very useful to a degree would eventually have to open up and the virus almost certainly would be there waiting even with a successful vaccine program

 

lots of trade-offs between different views and policies but the virus was very unlikely to be going anywhere - that’s not new findings

 

not old science just a different version of the science

 

 

 

 

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

some scientists have said from day 1 we would end up having to live with this and any lockdown or elimination strategy while very useful to a degree would eventually have to open up and the virus almost certainly would be there waiting even with a successful vaccine program

 

lots of trade-offs between different views and policies but the virus was very unlikely to be going anywhere - that’s not new findings

 

not old science just a different version of the science

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes the virus will always be here however potent it might be is another question but we have to acknowledge the reality of it . It’s here to stay like the flu 😷 

[DETTY29]

Travelling Tabby has completed a detailed stats view for the week.

 

 

 

[Boab]

11 hours ago, weegranty said:

My wife has covid,I'm negative,we are both double jagged.I don't have to self isolate and have to go to work.A work colleague's wife has covid and he is refusing the vaccine and he has to self isolate and not attend work,this doesn't seem right to me.

If you don’t mind me asking, do you get sick pay in your work ?

 

[Taffin]

12 hours ago, weegranty said:

My wife has covid,I'm negative,we are both double jagged.I don't have to self isolate and have to go to work.A work colleague's wife has covid and he is refusing the vaccine and he has to self isolate and not attend work,this doesn't seem right to me.

 

Seems like he's doing the responsible thing. Anyone who's got a positive case in their household should isolate imo. I would, despite being double vaccinated. That's not a pop at you btw as I know your employer has likely given you no choice. Whilst it's less likely you're positive than him, there's still a good chance you are. My partner's brother caught Covid and spread it in his household despite the others who then caught it being double vaccinated.

[Dazo]

12 hours ago, weegranty said:

My wife has covid,I'm negative,we are both double jagged.I don't have to self isolate and have to go to work.A work colleague's wife has covid and he is refusing the vaccine and he has to self isolate and not attend work,this doesn't seem right to me.

Only thing not right with that imo is if he’s getting paid. Other than that I think the rules are right. 
 

Surely you’re delighted not to be stuck in the house for 10 days ? 

[Boab]

43 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Seems like he's doing the responsible thing. Anyone who's got a positive case in their household should isolate imo. I would, despite being double vaccinated. That's not a pop at you btw as I know your employer has likely given you no choice. Whilst it's less likely you're positive than him, there's still a good chance you are. My partner's brother caught Covid and spread it in his household despite the others who then caught it being double vaccinated.

As you say, you don’t get a choice.

My daughter was positive, I took a PCR and was back at my work the next day. Not through choice, I had to !

 

[weegranty]

1 hour ago, Boab said:

If you don’t mind me asking, do you get sick pay in your work ?

 

Yes,but at the manager's discretion.Always been paid for sick days,I'm not off work much.The other thing that bugged me was getting the PCR test on Sunday after work and was told I would have to go to work on the Monday even though I wouldn't have the results back.I told the boss that I wasn't coming in as I didn't feel comfortable with it incase I was positive.He told me that I would need to come in so I said that I would take it of as a holiday though.I will speak to HR when I'm back next week about this as it's  not fair using a holiday for this.

[Dazo]

23 minutes ago, weegranty said:

Yes,but at the manager's discretion.Always been paid for sick days,I'm not off work much.The other thing that bugged me was getting the PCR test on Sunday after work and was told I would have to go to work on the Monday even though I wouldn't have the results back.I told the boss that I wasn't coming in as I didn't feel comfortable with it incase I was positive.He told me that I would need to come in so I said that I would take it of as a holiday though.I will speak to HR when I'm back next week about this as it's  not fair using a holiday for this.

Not sure if it’s been made into law but your boss is certainly breaking the government guidelines. Completely unfair for you to use your holidays. 

[Boab]

39 minutes ago, weegranty said:

Yes,but at the manager's discretion.Always been paid for sick days,I'm not off work much.The other thing that bugged me was getting the PCR test on Sunday after work and was told I would have to go to work on the Monday even though I wouldn't have the results back.I told the boss that I wasn't coming in as I didn't feel comfortable with it incase I was positive.He told me that I would need to come in so I said that I would take it of as a holiday though.I will speak to HR when I'm back next week about this as it's  not fair using a holiday for this.

That is rough,mate.

I had to wait for my negative result to come through but was back at my work when it did( the next day )

Someone refusing to take the vax and getting 10 days off is one for HR and the union right enough.

[Nucky Thompson]

Rumours that the UK government are going to scrap the travel traffic light system on the 1st October.

 

That should make it a lot easier for people to travel abroad.

Good news as I'm going to Lanzarote in February