Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Boab]

33 minutes ago, Dazo said:

 

The £50 antigen test at the airport with cover you for going and coming back. Randox do a day 2 for around £40. Still a few quit on a short trip. 

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[TheOak88]

1 hour ago, Dazo said:

Any reasons given why ? 

 

Vaccine side effects pose larger risk to that age group than CV does. 

[TheOak88]

1 hour ago, Victorian said:

They have to balance and assess the potential risks of covid,  potential risks of the vaccine,  as well as some thought given towards the potential benefit to wider society.  How do you assess that?  You could credibly argue that children would benefit in a whole host of ways from the rest of society returning to stability or normality sooner rather than later.  It's a bit of a shot in the dark.  There's also the much more easy to assess moral case for and against using more vaccine in a wealthy country whilst others have very little.

 

For me,  if that worldwide moral case is for donating as much vaccine as possible then it should go hand in hand with a complete cooperation worldwide on vaccine production.  Removal of all I.P. rights,  etc.

 

Could be wrong but I don’t think the JCVI consider wider benefits to society in their decision making. I think it is just purely the benefit v risk to individuals in that age group. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

Nice heart warming item on STV news regarding an organised outdoor rave / concert type event in Glasgow for people with a learning disability . Nice to see a group of people enjoying weekend out , as many probably had to shield quite a lot due to physical health issues I assume . It was organised by the charity of “ Enable “ 

[Victorian]

12 minutes ago, TheOak88 said:

 

Could be wrong but I don’t think the JCVI consider wider benefits to society in their decision making. I think it is just purely the benefit v risk to individuals in that age group. 

 

Probably right but my point is that,  if they're being expansive,  they perhaps could assess the child's benefit/risk to include the wide range of things that can affect a child's physical and mental health from overall society being in a good position and bad position with covid.  Potential future lockdowns,  educational stability,  association with friends and peers and relatives,  access to activities,  even financial considerations via their parents being in work or out of work or severely ill or worse.  You could be there all year trying to calculate the equations.

 

These people know their business so if they say no vaccinations for kids then they're probably right according to their remit.  

Edited September 3, 2021 by Victorian

[TheOak88]

4 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Probably right but my point is that,  if they're being expansive,  they perhaps could assess the child's benefit/risk to include the wide range of things that can affect a child's physical and mental health from overall society being in a good position and bad position with covid.  Potential future lockdowns,  educational stability,  association with friends and peers and relatives,  access to activities,  even financial considerations via their parents being in work or out of work or severely ill or worse.  You could be there all year trying to calculate the equations.

 

These people know their business so if they say no vaccinations for kids then they're probably right according to their remit.  

 

It is probably best JCVI don’t take that sort of stuff into consideration. Like you say it would be nearly impossible to work out all the different permutations, and what level of positive or negative effect they have. 

[DETTY29]

Chris Smith was on R Scotland saying JCVI have abdicated responsibility to the 4 CMOs to take into account the health, social and economic impacts of Covid continuing to spread through society.  He can't understand why it has taken them so long to say nothing as such but recognises the JCVI are a purely scientific based group.

 

Yep he agrees on the high level data that there is not much in it in numbers when it comes to save a life from Covid v. the potential of what for now is short term serious side effects of say an inflamed heart for a day or so.

 

However recent research suggest 1 in 7 kids catching covid get long term covid.  As with adults, having the vaccine reduces the impacts by 2/3rds.

 

And in his opinion if the kids aren't vaccinated, fully expect kids education to be seriously affected for a 3rd (and no doubt 4th and 5th and so on) year.

 

 

Edited September 3, 2021 by DETTY29

[The Real Maroonblood]

4 hours ago, redjambo said:

Today's trend stats. Cases tentatively showing green cells of recovery.

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	WHO		Today	Yesterday			2 Sep	1 Sep	30 Aug	29 Aug	28 Aug	...	1 Aug
Scotland	4		772	774	-2		747	726	695	682	610	...	149
North Lanarkshire	4		1278	1292	-14		1261	1214	1184	1157	1015	...	192
Inverclyde	4		1220	1235	-15		1238	1132	1076	1001	875	...	225
West Dunbartonshire	4		1138	1115	+23		1105	1149	1118	1149	1043	...	221
East Dunbartonshire	4		1131	1196	-65		1150	1171	1186	1161	1052	...	131
East Renfrewshire	4		1112	1130	-18		1080	997	966	956	842	...	122
Renfrewshire	4		1098	1067	+31		1041	1037	989	961	865	...	135
Glasgow City	4		1030	1007	+23		989	954	911	877	774	...	169
South Lanarkshire	4		1009	1035	-26		1013	964	956	948	839	...	208
Clackmannanshire	4		860	788	+72		704	706	649	684	657	...	174
Midlothian	4		808	831	-23		754	681	668	647	570	...	160
North Ayrshire	4		784	787	-3		772	724	719	658	568	...	165
Argyll & Bute	4		768	766	+2		712	756	760	746	702	...	107
Dundee City	4		746	735	+11		697	672	607	619	559	...	155
Falkirk	4		741	733	+8		690	653	598	589	520	...	131
South Ayrshire	4		713	701	+12		658	629	603	595	500	...	143
Edinburgh City	4		708	758	-50		722	710	696	684	623	...	140
West Lothian	4		704	709	-5		668	690	634	603	567	...	187
East Lothian	4		687	689	-2		604	602	571	549	500	...	157
East Ayrshire	4		657	645	+12		627	609	590	549	442	...	122
Fife	4		642	635	+7		597	563	522	524	466	...	154
Stirling	4		641	628	+13		628	596	563	559	529	...	163
Dumfries & Galloway	4		585	615	-30		620	635	606	622	619	...	140
Highland	4		549	546	+3		531	517	471	478	412	...	105
Angus	4		479	469	+10		430	401	352	358	319	...	113
Aberdeenshire	4		456	442	+14		424	411	356	346	304	...	93
Scottish Borders	4		436	442	-6		430	445	429	440	418	...	107
Aberdeen City	4		421	411	+10		414	392	370	365	335	...	141
Perth & Kinross	4		310	306	+4		297	313	303	311	289	...	95
Shetland Islands	4		284	284	0		262	227	179	179	127	...	74
Moray	4		200	184	+16		183	194	185	187	171	...	96
Na h-Eileanan Siar	4		177	170	+7		170	192	200	204	196	...	208
Orkney Islands	3		71	67	+4		67	54	40	49	36	...	9
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			2 Sep	1 Sep	30 Aug	29 Aug	28 Aug	...	1 Aug
Tests			49858	48710	+1148		46368	45041	43265	42982	39541	...	23705
Cases			6025	6043	-18		5832	5668	5424	5323	4763	...	1161
Positivity rate %			12.8	13.2	-0.4		13.3	13.3	13.2	13.0	12.7	...	5.4
Deaths			7.3	6.4	+0.9		6.0	5.4	5.9	5.9	5.9	...	6.7
All Vaccinations			14134	14397	-263		15364	16353	16712	17165	17383	...	18909
1st Dose			2727	2745	-18		2844	2979	2998	3116	3218	...	1994
2nd Dose			11407	11652	-245		12520	13374	13714	14049	14165	...	16915
All in hospital			577	553	+24		524	490	459	431	407	...	464
Non-ICU			523	500	+23		473	441	411	385	363	...	402
ICU			54	53	+1		51	49	48	46	44	...	62

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[redjambo]

15 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

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That was some sesh, TRM.

[Auldbenches]

Does anyone know if their ade plans to reintroduce face to face gp appointments rather than just speaking to them on the phone?  I've not seen a gp or a consultant for another illness for two years.  

Hate gp phone appointments and wondering if we will get back to seeing them in person soon.  

I know lots through a voluntary job I do that people with mental health problems also haven't had any fave to face appointments for the same period any it is really affecting them. 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, TheOak88 said:

 

It is probably best JCVI don’t take that sort of stuff into consideration. Like you say it would be nearly impossible to work out all the different permutations, and what level of positive or negative effect they have. 

It’s plain and simple health reasons . Do they need it or not . They believe they don’t . 

[JudyJudyJudy]

57 minutes ago, Auldbenches said:

Does anyone know if their ade plans to reintroduce face to face gp appointments rather than just speaking to them on the phone?  I've not seen a gp or a consultant for another illness for two years.  

Hate gp phone appointments and wondering if we will get back to seeing them in person soon.  

I know lots through a voluntary job I do that people with mental health problems also haven't had any fave to face appointments for the same period any it is really affecting them. 

 

Depends on why you are calling them . Reel of your symptoms to Maggie the receptionist who has one health and safety certificate , she then liaisons with the GP who then decides to call you for more info . Most GPS will call back . However whether they see u well that’s another matter . As far as I know amd in my experience it has to be pretty serious for them to see you . Something which may necessitate further investigation at hospital level . Long gone are the days of seeing a GP face to face if u have anything “ minor” 

[Auldbenches]

6 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Depends on why you are calling them . Reel of your symptoms to Maggie the receptionist who has one health and safety certificate , she then liaisons with the GP who then decides to call you for more info . Most GPS will call back . However whether they see u well that’s another matter . As far as I know amd in my experience it has to be pretty serious for them to see you . Something which may necessitate further investigation at hospital level . Long gone are the days of seeing a GP face to face if u have anything “ minor” 

Sometimes I hate receptionists.   Phone about a year ago because I pulled a stomach muscle exercising and it was aggravating my back pain.  The receptionist in her wisdom told me that back pain is like that.   Where the **** fo they get right to give a medical opinion?  

I'm sure I read a couple of weeks ago that they are looking to keep what appointments they can to phone calls.  

I'd rather see a doctor. 

Were doctors not going daft about having to treat women with burkas because it isn't easy treating someone without really seeing them?  

It's the lack of face to face appointments for mental health issues that are having the biggest impact.  

I'm hearing it weekly about people not seeing consultants or CPNs.  

That has to change soon

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

7 minutes ago, Auldbenches said:

Sometimes I hate receptionists.   Phone about a year ago because I pulled a stomach muscle exercising and it was aggravating my back pain.  The receptionist in her wisdom told me that back pain is like that.   Where the **** fo they get right to give a medical opinion?  

I'm sure I read a couple of weeks ago that they are looking to keep what appointments they can to phone calls.  

I'd rather see a doctor. 

Were doctors not going daft about having to treat women with burkas because it isn't easy treating someone without really seeing them?  

It's the lack of face to face appointments for mental health issues that are having the biggest impact.  

I'm hearing it weekly about people not seeing consultants or CPNs.  

That has to change soon

 

Yes face to face can be really helpful For GPs to assess not only the “ presenting problem” but gives the Patient to discuss any other issues which may be bothering them

.a shoulder to cry on if need be . 

[The Real Maroonblood]

2 hours ago, redjambo said:

 

That was some sesh, TRM.

Sadly not.

It was a food lunch with the family. 

Enjoyable but missed the liquid side of it.☺️

[escobri]

De La Hoya in hospital with covid. Double jagged aswell, just shows you even if your super fit and had the vaccines you are vulnerable. We're doomed.

[Enzo Chiefo]

5 hours ago, DETTY29 said:

Chris Smith was on R Scotland saying JCVI have abdicated responsibility to the 4 CMOs to take into account the health, social and economic impacts of Covid continuing to spread through society.  He can't understand why it has taken them so long to say nothing as such but recognises the JCVI are a purely scientific based group.

 

Yep he agrees on the high level data that there is not much in it in numbers when it comes to save a life from Covid v. the potential of what for now is short term serious side effects of say an inflamed heart for a day or so.

 

However recent research suggest 1 in 7 kids catching covid get long term covid.  As with adults, having the vaccine reduces the impacts by 2/3rds.

 

And in his opinion if the kids aren't vaccinated, fully expect kids education to be seriously affected for a 3rd (and no doubt 4th and 5th and so on) year.

 

 

But "long Covid ", as we know, covers a whole range of standard post viral symptoms, the vast majority temporary and minor.  The numbers affected probably won't justify recommending a mass vaccination programme of healthy children. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

15 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

But "long Covid ", as we know, covers a whole range of standard post viral symptoms, the vast majority temporary and minor.  The numbers affected probably won't justify recommending a mass vaccination programme of healthy children. 

Oh all very true Enzo but they have to grasp on to something to ensure kids are vaccinated . 

[JudyJudyJudy]

16 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

But "long Covid ", as we know, covers a whole range of standard post viral symptoms, the vast majority temporary and minor.  The numbers affected probably won't justify recommending a mass vaccination programme of healthy children. 

Also kids education is only affected due to the responses to covid . Self isolation and such like . Ludicrous really . Time to be realistic here . No use closes down whole classes when one kid is infected etc 

[magic roundabout]

10 hours ago, Boab said:

Question, guys.

Anyone been abroad lately for a short visit ?

Getting myself in a muddle, trying to decipher the rules !

I’m fully vaxxed, but it’s the PCR test thing that’s confusing me. Can I book and go for one 48 hours before for free ? And as I’m only going to be away for 48 hrs, I’m not there long enough to do one before I return.

Any advice appreciated. 

 

I travelled at the end of June and could not use the free NHS PCR test. I got a private test at the airport cost about £80 result back next day. Also, check the airline requirements as well as the country you are visiting the two can differ. In terms of travelling back it will depend on what zone the country is in (red/amber/green). 

[JudyJudyJudy]

Boom 💥 long covid and children  “nowhere near scale feared “ 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58410584

[The Mighty Thor]

Japan's Prime Minister doing the honorable thing by resigning after failing to control the country's Covid outbreak.

 

 

 

They had 16,000 deaths. 

[DETTY29]

8 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

Also kids education is only affected due to the responses to covid . Self isolation and such like . Ludicrous really . Time to be realistic here . No use closes down whole classes when one kid is infected etc 

The current guidelines in Scotland.

 

Last Friday's (I'd need to check if it was 27 or 20 August) weekly data showed a rate of 190.1 cases per 100,000 in two to four-year-olds; 401.6 cases per 100,000 in five to 11-year-olds; 672.3 per 100,000 among 12 to 15-year-olds; and 1,198.5 cases per 100,000 in 16 to 17-year-olds.

To put that in perspective, the rate of cases per 100,000 of the general population was 435.9.

• Record number of cases as NHS faces 'perfect storm'
• Where are the latest Covid cases?

But with the virus ripping through schools, parents are confused when children are not being identified as close contacts to their classmates.

Many are unclear when, and for how long, children need to self-isolate - and who can ask them to. So what are the rules?

Who has to self-isolate?

IMAGE SOURCE,PA MEDIA

 

Image caption,

Secondary pupils must wear face coverings at all times while in school

Everyone must self-isolate in line with NHS Inform guidelines if they have had a positive Covid test or virus symptoms.

But from 9 August, the rules changed for close contacts of a positive Covid case if they are under 18.

If you are aged between five and 18, you are a close contact if you live in the same household as a positive case, or if you have been identified by NHS Test and Protect as a close contact.

If this happens, you have to:

• Self-isolate immediately and book a PCR test
• If the PCR test is negative and you remain without symptoms, you can end self-isolation and return to school
• If the PCR test is positive, stay in self-isolation in line with NHS guidance
• If symptoms start at any time, go back to the self-isolation stage and book a PCR test

Under-fives do not have to self-isolate if they are a close contact if they stay symptom-free. They do not have to take PCR test, but it is encouraged if possible before returning to childcare and usual activities.

Can schools ask pupils to self-isolate?

No. Whole classes or groups are no longer routinely asked to stay at home.

The school should be contacted by Test and Protect to identify any potential close contacts and will then send out a "warn and inform" letter to let parents know there has been a case in the school.

Some schools have decided to inform parents if there has been a case in individual classes. Parents will be asked to remain vigilant for symptoms and to continue home testing for secondary pupils, but they will not ask people to isolate.

What is a close contact?

Sitting next to someone in class is no longer a guarantee of being deemed a close contact.

The Scottish government guidance says that close contacts are likely to be parents and siblings, those who have stayed overnight, and those who have had "clear, prolonged contact".

A close contact will now only be formally notified by local public health teams.

How long is self-isolation?

Self-isolation now only lasts as long as the wait for a negative PCR test result. This could be as little as one or two days.

[Taffin]

After going most of the pandemic without knowing anyone (bar 2 via work I vaguely know) two of my friends caught it a couple of weeks back.

[Nucky Thompson]

1 hour ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Japan's Prime Minister doing the honorable thing by resigning after failing to control the country's Covid outbreak.

 

 

 

They had 16,000 deaths. 

Will Sturgeon do the honorable thing though after killing all those old folk in care homes?

[manaliveits105]

1 hour ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Japan's Prime Minister doing the honorable thing by resigning after failing to control the country's Covid outbreak.

 

 

 

They had 16,000 deaths. 

Japan - 126M population 16k deaths 

Scotland 6M population 8k deaths 

 

Chief Mammy will hopefully do the right thing too 

Edited September 4, 2021 by manaliveits105

[doctor jambo]

12 hours ago, Auldbenches said:

Sometimes I hate receptionists.   Phone about a year ago because I pulled a stomach muscle exercising and it was aggravating my back pain.  The receptionist in her wisdom told me that back pain is like that.   Where the **** fo they get right to give a medical opinion?  

I'm sure I read a couple of weeks ago that they are looking to keep what appointments they can to phone calls.  

I'd rather see a doctor. 

Were doctors not going daft about having to treat women with burkas because it isn't easy treating someone without really seeing them?  

It's the lack of face to face appointments for mental health issues that are having the biggest impact.  

I'm hearing it weekly about people not seeing consultants or CPNs.  

That has to change soon

 

Think the point is- why on earth were you wasting a Dr’s time with a pulled muscle?

You wonder why there are no appointments?

There are loads.

The issue is they are full.

When the hospitals downed tools 18 months ago, who do you think took up the slack and continues to do so?

Apart from the start of the pandemic we have been busier than ever before ( and it was insufferably busy even then).

Dont believe the govt BS about face to face- they are happening and always were - when appropriate.

We are not “closed” and never were. Ever.

What we are not, is somewhere you can walk in and mill around for a chat , a seat and a long chat with thhe receptionist.

Appointments only- in and out , no hanging about.

Yoi think the phone lines are busy?

Imagine how busy we are for that to be the case.

All out phone lines ring constantly from open to close .

All our staff are knackered and spend all day taking shit from people the hospital should be dealing with, but aren’t .

Hospitals are working below pre pandemic levels. As are the mental health services.

GP’ s are working above prepandemic levels as we are holding the fort for the entire health service.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

9 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

But "long Covid ", as we know, covers a whole range of standard post viral symptoms, the vast majority temporary and minor.  The numbers affected probably won't justify recommending a mass vaccination programme of healthy children. 

Mind when you went to the doctors and they didn't have a clue so you got told it was probably a virus and given anti biotics? Well now it'll be long covid not a virus.

[Dennis Reynolds]

15 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

Think the point is- why on earth were you wasting a Dr’s time with a pulled muscle?

You wonder why there are no appointments?

There are loads.

The issue is they are full.

When the hospitals downed tools 18 months ago, who do you think took up the slack and continues to do so?

Apart from the start of the pandemic we have been busier than ever before ( and it was insufferably busy even then).

Dont believe the govt BS about face to face- they are happening and always were - when appropriate.

We are not “closed” and never were. Ever.

What we are not, is somewhere you can walk in and mill around for a chat , a seat and a long chat with thhe receptionist.

Appointments only- in and out , no hanging about.

Yoi think the phone lines are busy?

Imagine how busy we are for that to be the case.

All out phone lines ring constantly from open to close .

All our staff are knackered and spend all day taking shit from people the hospital should be dealing with, but aren’t .

Hospitals are working below pre pandemic levels. As are the mental health services.

GP’ s are working above prepandemic levels as we are holding the fort for the entire health service.

 

 

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Only thing I would add, is missed appointments. Something my local GP has always struggled with and continues to. 

[Taffin]

8 minutes ago, LMc said:

 

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Only thing I would add, is missed appointments. Something my local GP has always struggled with and continues to. 

 

Proper a***hole behaviour. Should be fined for it.

[The Real Maroonblood]

2 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Proper a***hole behaviour. Should be fined for it.

This.

[kila]

32 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

When the hospitals downed tools 18 months ago…

[Jambo_Gaz]

4 minutes ago, kila said:

They did. It's an indisputable fact they did in many areas of the health service. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

2 minutes ago, Jambo_Gaz said:

They did. It's an indisputable fact they did in many areas of the health service. 

[DETTY29]

50 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

Think the point is- why on earth were you wasting a Dr’s time with a pulled muscle?

You wonder why there are no appointments?

There are loads.

The issue is they are full.

When the hospitals downed tools 18 months ago, who do you think took up the slack and continues to do so?

Apart from the start of the pandemic we have been busier than ever before ( and it was insufferably busy even then).

Dont believe the govt BS about face to face- they are happening and always were - when appropriate.

We are not “closed” and never were. Ever.

What we are not, is somewhere you can walk in and mill around for a chat , a seat and a long chat with thhe receptionist.

Appointments only- in and out , no hanging about.

Yoi think the phone lines are busy?

Imagine how busy we are for that to be the case.

All out phone lines ring constantly from open to close .

All our staff are knackered and spend all day taking shit from people the hospital should be dealing with, but aren’t .

Hospitals are working below pre pandemic levels. As are the mental health services.

GP’ s are working above prepandemic levels as we are holding the fort for the entire health service.

 

Out of interest, a few weeks back I got a pain in my right side groin, as in a constant annoyance and sort of 'spasm-ed' up, but no lump of sorts.

 

What was really agony was when I tried to stand up and if I pushed my groin in, the pain temporarily went away, until I let my hand go.

 

Previously, I found a lump in my left side groin, but no pain.  GP couldn't find it but said if I wanted to insist, he would send me for a consultation.  At hospital I had 3 medics looking at my groin and couldn't find anything.  The senior consultant popped his head round corner  did the usual 'cough check' as my GP and the hospital doctor had (assumed other two were junior, student) and the hernia popped up.

 

What should I have done and who should I have referred myself to?

Edited September 4, 2021 by DETTY29

[Jambo_Gaz]

Just now, The Real Maroonblood said:

Nice detailed reply there. Jog on. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 minute ago, Jambo_Gaz said:

Nice detailed reply there. Jog on. 

For someone who rates GB news it must be true.

 

[JFK-1]

What's it like in Scotland right now regarding new cases driven by the delta variant? I'm in Oklahoma and at this time Oklahoma is one of the worst states in the country for rising cases and deaths.

Cases: 14 day change +19%, total reported cases 560,850
 

Hospitalised: +7%

Deaths: +130%

That's from a population just short of 4 million. Fewer than Scotland but close enough to be comparable.  have had the first shot of the moderna vaccine. Getting the second September 12th.

[The Real Maroonblood]

4 minutes ago, JFK-1 said:

What's it like in Scotland right now regarding new cases driven by the delta variant? I'm in Oklahoma and at this time Oklahoma is one of the worst states in the country for rising cases and deaths.

Cases: 14 day change +19%, total reported cases 560,850
 

Hospitalised: +7%

Deaths: +130%

That's from a population just short of 4 million. Fewer than Scotland but close enough to be comparable.  have had the first shot of the moderna vaccine. Getting the second September 12th.

Hope this helps.

https://www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/
 

[DETTY29]

9 minutes ago, JFK-1 said:

What's it like in Scotland right now regarding new cases driven by the delta variant? I'm in Oklahoma and at this time Oklahoma is one of the worst states in the country for rising cases and deaths.

Cases: 14 day change +19%, total reported cases 560,850
 

Hospitalised: +7%

Deaths: +130%

That's from a population just short of 4 million. Fewer than Scotland but close enough to be comparable.  have had the first shot of the moderna vaccine. Getting the second September 12th.

 

4 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Hope this helps.

https://www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/
 

Key graphs.

[JFK-1]

13 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Hope this helps.

https://www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/
 

 

Yeah that was enlightening. Oklahoma with a smaller population than Scotland, Scotland being around 5.5 million while Oklahoma is around 4 million, has 1,641 hospitalised in comparison to Scotland with 653.

Scotland also has 67.9% of the population fully vaccinated, Oklahoma 44%

Edited September 4, 2021 by JFK-1

[Savage Vince]

29 minutes ago, Jambo_Gaz said:

Nice detailed reply there. Jog on. 

 

It was an appropriate reply to an absurd post. 

[JFK-1]

Well there's something the good ol US of A beats Britain hands down for. Hospitals at reduced capacity you say? American hospitals would never do that.

This is a business not a 'health service'. They're not going to reduce capacity when there's a bundle of money to be made. Sickness is their business. If you get sick they make money,

Lots of money. They will hit you with a 5 grand bill just for the ambulance that took you to hospital. Then the real gouge begins, that was just the taxi, which will quickly soar into tens or even hundreds of thousands.

They're not going to derail that gravy train especially so right now. The pandemic is like Xmas every day for them. Coining it in. Rupert Murdoch should have sunk his money into that instead of that crazy Theranos woman.

[redjambo]

13 hours ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Sadly not.

It was a food lunch with the family. 

Enjoyable but missed the liquid side of it.☺️

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 hours ago, DETTY29 said:

The current guidelines in Scotland.

 

Last Friday's (I'd need to check if it was 27 or 20 August) weekly data showed a rate of 190.1 cases per 100,000 in two to four-year-olds; 401.6 cases per 100,000 in five to 11-year-olds; 672.3 per 100,000 among 12 to 15-year-olds; and 1,198.5 cases per 100,000 in 16 to 17-year-olds.

To put that in perspective, the rate of cases per 100,000 of the general population was 435.9.

• Record number of cases as NHS faces 'perfect storm'
• Where are the latest Covid cases?

But with the virus ripping through schools, parents are confused when children are not being identified as close contacts to their classmates.

Many are unclear when, and for how long, children need to self-isolate - and who can ask them to. So what are the rules?

Who has to self-isolate?

IMAGE SOURCE,PA MEDIA

 

Image caption,

Secondary pupils must wear face coverings at all times while in school

Everyone must self-isolate in line with NHS Inform guidelines if they have had a positive Covid test or virus symptoms.

But from 9 August, the rules changed for close contacts of a positive Covid case if they are under 18.

If you are aged between five and 18, you are a close contact if you live in the same household as a positive case, or if you have been identified by NHS Test and Protect as a close contact.

If this happens, you have to:

• Self-isolate immediately and book a PCR test
• If the PCR test is negative and you remain without symptoms, you can end self-isolation and return to school
• If the PCR test is positive, stay in self-isolation in line with NHS guidance
• If symptoms start at any time, go back to the self-isolation stage and book a PCR test

Under-fives do not have to self-isolate if they are a close contact if they stay symptom-free. They do not have to take PCR test, but it is encouraged if possible before returning to childcare and usual activities.

Can schools ask pupils to self-isolate?

No. Whole classes or groups are no longer routinely asked to stay at home.

The school should be contacted by Test and Protect to identify any potential close contacts and will then send out a "warn and inform" letter to let parents know there has been a case in the school.

Some schools have decided to inform parents if there has been a case in individual classes. Parents will be asked to remain vigilant for symptoms and to continue home testing for secondary pupils, but they will not ask people to isolate.

What is a close contact?

Sitting next to someone in class is no longer a guarantee of being deemed a close contact.

The Scottish government guidance says that close contacts are likely to be parents and siblings, those who have stayed overnight, and those who have had "clear, prolonged contact".

A close contact will now only be formally notified by local public health teams.

How long is self-isolation?

Self-isolation now only lasts as long as the wait for a negative PCR test result. This could be as little as one or two days.

Thanks for that info .

1 hour ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Will Sturgeon do the honorable thing though after killing all those old folk in care homes?

Doubt it

1 hour ago, manaliveits105 said:

Japan - 126M population 16k deaths 

Scotland 6M population 8k deaths 

 

Chief Mammy will hopefully do the right thing too 

As above 

[Enzo Chiefo]

1 hour ago, Taffin said:

 

Proper a***hole behaviour. Should be fined for it.

You should have to leave debit card details when you book an appt. £10 is held on account but not taken unless you don't show. 

I'm sick of society tip-toeing around the sensitivities of selfish people. Zero tolerance required.

 

I watched a documentary about the 2011 riots in the UK and several of the assorted low-life looters and rioters were complaining about the harsh prison sentences they were handed down. Claimed they wouldn't have got involved had they known the consequences.

Great example of the deterrent that being tough on crime has.

 

[Taffin]

5 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

You should have to leave debit card details when you book an appt. £10 is held on account but not taken unless you don't show. 

I'm sick of society tip-toeing around the sensitivities of selfish people. Zero tolerance required.

 

I watched a documentary about the 2011 riots in the UK and several of the assorted low-life looters and rioters were complaining about the harsh prison sentences they were handed down. Claimed they wouldn't have got involved had they known the consequences.

Great example of the deterrent that being tough on crime has.

 

 

A tenner? I'd make it £20 first time, £50 second, 3rd time you're out and it's private healthcare for you.

 

If you've got a genuine reason to have missed it then I'm sure that £20 pales into insignificance. 

 

[The Mighty Thor]

3 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Will Sturgeon do the honorable thing though after killing all those old folk in care homes?

 

3 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

Japan - 126M population 16k deaths 

Scotland 6M population 8k deaths 

 

Chief Mammy will hopefully do the right thing too 

I'm sure the Scottish Government announced a public inquiry into all aspects of the handling of the pandemic a few weeks back.

 

I'm sure it was to start ASAP.

 

100% the right thing to do. 

 

I'd hope the Westminster government will do the same with an immediate inquiry as huge elements of the response fell outwith SG remit.

 

For openness and transparency both need to happen quickly. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

20 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

 

I'm sure the Scottish Government announced a public inquiry into all aspects of the handling of the pandemic a few weeks back.

 

I'm sure it was to start ASAP.

 

100% the right thing to do. 

 

I'd hope the Westminster government will do the same with an immediate inquiry as huge elements of the response fell outwith SG remit.

 

For openness and transparency both need to happen quickly. 

You are sure it was start ASAP ? Lol come on ! 

[The Mighty Thor]

1 minute ago, JamesM48 said:

You are sure it was start ASAP ? Lol come on ! 

According to the announcement it is to start before the end of this year. 

 

Scope work is under way.

 

There's various sources including the SG website. 

 

Not sure if/when the Westminster one is due to start.