Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[JimmyCant]

12 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Folk can still get a dose of the horn in Dubai 

As far as I am aware there is no offence committed by getting the horn in Dubai. Importuning prostitutes is definitely jail time though, as well as being pretty fecking sad and loser type behaviour 

[DETTY29]

53 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Arghhh what is it with clary bass ! On buses who cough and don’t put hand over their mouth ??? I mean those with masks on !! Really boils my piss 

One of our new normals needs to be sneezing in to our elbows, shoulders.

 

Even raking around for a hanky takes for too long.

Edited July 16, 2021 by DETTY29

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 hour ago, redjambo said:

Today's trend stats. A nice drop in the 7-day case rate, with some noticeably large decreases in a number of local areas, particularly towards the top of the table. Good to see a drop today in the overall number of hospitalised Covid patients but we'll have to run a few days to see if this represents a turning point or is just a blip. Positivity rate still declining (disappointing that there were no Brucie players today).

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	WHO	Today	Yesterday			14 Jul	13 Jul	12 Jul	11 Jul	10 Jul	...	1 May
Scotland			287	308	-21		321	343	340	344	356	...	22
Midlothian	2	4	525	586	-61		624	660	647	653	708	...	10
Dundee City	2	4	441	495	-54		527	584	589	614	668	...	13
Edinburgh City	2	4	383	405	-22		428	465	451	468	487	...	27
Angus	1	4	372	427	-55		445	473	448	458	453	...	7
Inverclyde	1	4	364	415	-51		443	446	451	442	479	...	15
East Lothian	1	4	356	408	-52		429	474	463	486	512	...	5
Renfrewshire	2	4	341	350	-9		355	355	347	353	382	...	20
North Lanarkshire	2	4	337	363	-26		369	370	356	351	350	...	40
Glasgow City	2	4	332	361	-29		376	397	405	415	424	...	33
East Renfrewshire	2	4	327	371	-44		395	412	425	423	425	...	24
Fife	1	4	312	323	-11		336	366	372	375	381	...	32
West Dunbartonshire	1	4	289	320	-31		351	387	380	382	401	...	28
Perth & Kinross	1	4	283	294	-11		328	360	359	367	384	...	22
West Lothian	1	4	282	321	-39		335	366	368	356	368	...	26
Aberdeen City	1	4	279	296	-17		314	350	348	362	376	...	13
East Dunbartonshire	2	4	249	264	-15		282	328	337	354	369	...	51
Falkirk	1	4	247	295	-48		323	344	344	334	341	...	23
South Lanarkshire	2	4	237	255	-18		251	253	250	256	266	...	18
Scottish Borders	1	4	207	202	+5		229	230	237	246	268	...	6
Shetland Islands	0	4	201	183	+18		144	109	74	65	52	...	0
Highland	1 / 0	4	197	201	-4		199	209	218	219	234	...	9
Stirling	2	4	196	219	-23		226	242	248	230	238	...	11
Aberdeenshire	1	4	194	200	-6		201	212	202	206	199	...	8
South Ayrshire	2	4	178	194	-16		186	206	201	202	224	...	25
North Ayrshire	2	4	177	194	-17		211	251	251	256	263	...	17
East Ayrshire	2	4	174	179	-5		199	219	211	222	248	...	45
Moray	1	4	164	160	+4		148	125	106	96	83	...	65
Clackmannanshire	2	4	161	146	+15		167	192	196	192	210	...	14
Dumfries & Galloway	1	3	142	132	+10		111	124	117	112	104	...	19
Argyll & Bute	1 / 0	3	134	140	-6		151	172	169	158	168	...	7
Orkney Islands	0	3	81	85	-4		117	126	126	112	112	...	0
Na h-Eileanan Siar	0	2	34	41	-7		45	64	64	52	41	...	0
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			14 Jul	13 Jul	12 Jul	11 Jul	10 Jul	...	1 May
Tests			27095	28304	-1209		28812	29577	29766	29608	30380	...	18484
Cases			2239	2406	-167		2508	2674	2650	2684	2781	...	171
Positivity rate %			9.1	9.3	-0.2		9.5	9.9	9.7	9.9	9.9	...	1.1
Deaths			6.6	6.7	-0.1		4.6	3.7	4.0	4.0	4.0	...	1.3
All Vaccinations			21225	22418	-1193		23467	24942	26331	26571	26787	...	45346
1st Dose			7473	7955	-482		8324	8873	9312	10118	10825	...	6677
2nd Dose			13752	14463	-711		15143	16069	17019	16453	15962	...	38669
Daily data
All in hospital			532	543	-11		515	506	469	444	435	...	65
Non-ICU			484	496	-12		469	465	429	404	393	...	54
ICU			48	47	+1		46	41	40	40	42	...	11

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[scott herbertson]

36 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Had to read that twice. I thought there was someone called Clary Bass.

 

 

New name for Clerry Jambo? (Though to be accurate he would probably be County Bass)

 

 

[Sawdust Caesar]

43 minutes ago, willie wallace said:

I take it the Delta variant hasn't reached the USA as their numbers are lower than ours right now.

My son lives lives in Amsterdam and he said the young team went mental when restrictions were lifted hence the tenfold increase in cases in only 2 weeks.

Half of the cases In the 20- 29 age bracket.

Are the nightclubs reopening here on Aug. 9?

The Delta variant is in the US and spreading rapidly I believe. Some counties in California are reintroducing mask mandates because of the variant.

[Don Dan]

51 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Better rush home and bleach yourself, James. Can't be too careful.

😊

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 hour ago, pablo said:

 

Sorry Mate. I meant the transport situation. The UK driver market is actually 60 thousand drivers short. But there's a driver shortage throughout Europe, it's not confined to the UK only. Brexit has certainly made this situation worse, but it's not the root cause as such. There's loads of factors behind the shortage in the market. As this is the Covid thread, the pandemic as well as causing a surge in demand for retail also stopped the training and testing of new HGV drivers entering the market. 

 

Also heard there was an issue with drivers not being able to renew their licence's due to DVLA offices being shut/reduced working during the lockdowns, DVLA automatically renewed licences by 11 months or something, that grace period has come to an end, but there is a huge backlog of cases to sort through, seemingly.

 

As you rightly say, brexit is but one of several contributing factors, the age of the drivers and the lack of young drivers replacing those who are retiring has been by far the most serious concern for the last decade or more with many in the industry warning that the shit was going to hit the fan soon.  Brexit, Covid & retirements have all come into play at the same time to create a perfect storm.

[Don Dan]

Just heard from the wife that 4 colleagues of hers had met in one of their back gardens for a social get together. They All caught Covid and are self isolating. All had the Pfizer had too, two doses. 
It just shows how infectious the Delta variant is. 
 

[Footballfirst]

The UK has hit the 50k mark a few days earlier than expected with 51,870 reported today.

[Gizmo]

2 hours ago, pablo said:

 

Sorry Mate. I meant the transport situation. The UK driver market is actually 60 thousand drivers short. But there's a driver shortage throughout Europe, it's not confined to the UK only. Brexit has certainly made this situation worse, but it's not the root cause as such. There's loads of factors behind the shortage in the market. As this is the Covid thread, the pandemic as well as causing a surge in demand for retail also stopped the training and testing of new HGV drivers entering the market. 

Fair mate, adding more expansive understanding of the situation is appreciated. I was going basically on the reports from the sources I read/watched. I'm no fan of Brexit and it's clearly exacerbated the situation but I'm not so ideologically driven that I need to pin everything on that alone. 👍 

It's bad timing to be sure, as it will likely hammer the poorest in society, again. Local food bank was on a major drive to restock this week so they clearly see what's coming and are already seeing shortages in certain areas. It also bears reinforcing that if we do unlock safely and it goes well, we can't simply think the job is done when huge swathes of the world are still up shit creek. 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

That's it now being reported on Sky News that the government is considering moving France onto the red list.

 

I fear this Delta variant is going to hit mainland Europe hard in the coming months, largely due to that mainland Europe isn't as far along with their vaccination's compared to the UK, therefore a larger proportion of their populations remain unvaccinated.

 

[milky_26]

1 minute ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

That's it now being reported on Sky News that the government is considering moving France onto the red list.

 

I fear this Delta variant is going to hit mainland Europe hard in the coming months, largely due to that mainland Europe isn't as far along with their vaccination's compared to the UK, therefore a larger proportion of their populations remain unvaccinated.

 

i heard on the radio earlier it is the beta variant (south africa) that is the worry about france

[Costanza]

2 hours ago, Brighton Jambo said:

The only real alternative strategy other than what is being implemented is to wait until everyone has two vaccinations then ease restrictions (September)  This simply isn’t viable for a number of reason:

 

1.  People would not adhere to the rules over a whole summer anyway and then you have lost public support

2.  You are then removing restrictions at a time when schools are back

3.  You are then easing restrictions just as we move into winter.

 

Short of ruling out nearly all of this year, given where cases numbers were a couple of months ago and given the current vaccination levels this approach is the right one.  

This is a conference with international scientists disagreeing with the UK approach. Now this might be an echo chamber of like minded scientists but it would be good to hear an opposite point of view. Other than this thread, I'm struggling to see a visible and significant scientific view that what the UK is doing, is the correct approach. Is there one because I'm genuinely interested to see an alternative point of view other than the same tired tropes on this thread?

(not aimed at you btw)

 

 

[willie wallace]

37 minutes ago, Sawdust Caesar said:

The Delta variant is in the US and spreading rapidly I believe. Some counties in California are reintroducing mask mandates because of the variant.

Cheers for that.Hope they can get a lid on that quickly.

[willie wallace]

1 hour ago, Footballfirst said:

The spread of the Delta variant in the Netherlands is also a factor and will probably be demonstrated further when more recent data is added.

 

In the week to 4 July, the Delta variant accounted for 66.9% of cases (up 30.7% on the previous week).

The Alpha variant (Kent) accounted for 29.6% (down 31.3%), so pretty well a reverse of the variant split within a week.

Hope they get it sorted.Was hoping to get over there for my

sons 40th(just typing that makes me feel old😢)

Haven't seen my grandkids for 18months now.

Not sure how it will go.

 

 

[Footballfirst]

1 minute ago, willie wallace said:

Hope they get it sorted.Was hoping to get over there for my

sons 40th(just typing that makes me feel old😢)

Haven't seen my grandkids for 18months now.

Not sure how it will go.

I've got a trip booked for October.  I'm hoping that the UK will be off their red list (very high risk) by then.

 

Their vaccination programme seems to be picking up though. The are probably only 3 or 4 weeks behind the UK now.  A friend of mine there, who is 42, is due to get their second jab on Monday, which is comparable with the UK, although they have not progressed so far among the younger age groups.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

17 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

i heard on the radio earlier it is the beta variant (south africa) that is the worry about france

 

Hadn't heard that, but that'll be just great, the Beta variant predominantly in France and the Delta variant predominately everywhere next to France, what possibly could happen here................ 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

Hearing that members of the Brazilian Judo team are having to isolate after a covid outbreak amongst hotel staff at their Tokyo hotel.

 

I think the whole games could go pear shapped very very quickly.

 

[willie wallace]

14 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

I've got a trip booked for October.  I'm hoping that the UK will be off their red list (very high risk) by then.

 

Their vaccination programme seems to be picking up though. The are probably only 3 or 4 weeks behind the UK now.  A friend of mine there, who is 42, is due to get their second jab on Monday, which is comparable with the UK, although they have not progressed so far among the younger age groups.

Yes,they have caught up well.Think you you should be ok for October.Unfortunately I want to go in 3 weeks.

[Nucky Thompson]

21 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Hadn't heard that, but that'll be just great, the Beta variant predominantly in France and the Delta variant predominately everywhere next to France, what possibly could happen here................ 

A fight to the death by both variants, wiping each other out in the process 

[Nucky Thompson]

21 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Hadn't heard that, but that'll be just great, the Beta variant predominantly in France and the Delta variant predominately everywhere next to France, what possibly could happen here................ 

A fight to the death by both variants, wiping each other out in the process 

[Governor Tarkin]

1 hour ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Folk can still get a dose of the horn in Dubai 

 

Correct, Nucky.

 

Us sailor types have fat libidos, fat wallets, and fatter boabies.

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

5 hours ago, Taffin said:

 

That's the crux of it for me. Putting my ideological beliefs around what I'd have like to see happen...what else can we actually do? What do people want to happen?

 

We either accept restrictions indefinitely or we remove them. With vaccinations offered to those at risk we're at a point now where waiting doesn't seem to bring us much more. What is it we'd be waiting for? What's the plan of those who are unhappy with the plan, and what's it based on?

 

Anyway, scorching hot down here. I've some work to do then I'll be working outside this afternoon. Enjoy everyone 👍👍

 

what happened to that lady who was the Scottish covid guru type who was pushing for an elimination strategy (or whatever the terminology is for maintaining very low covid levels) - has she been swept away by the politics or converted to this accept the (slightly worrying) risk ? Or something else?

 

the point you made a few days ago about the most vulnerable who got jagged first will be running out of protection the longer we wait unless the boosters turn up rapid

 

 

 

 

Edited July 16, 2021 by MoncurMacdonaldMercer

[Governor Tarkin]

1 hour ago, JimmyCant said:

Importuning prostitutes is definitely jail time though, as well as being pretty fecking sad and loser type behaviour 

 

There are literally hundreds of millions of men who disagree with your opinion, and hundreds of millions more who won't admit to it. 

[Governor Tarkin]

2 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

 

what happened to that lady who was the Scottish covid guru type who was pushing for an elimination strategy (or whatever the terminology is for maintaining very low covid levels) - has she been swept away by the politics or converted to this accept the (slightly worrying) risk ? Or something else?

 

 

 

 

 

In a cupboard somewhere at Edinburgh Uni.

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Blofeld Johnson 

Lol 

2 hours ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Better rush home and bleach yourself, James. Can't be too careful.

That’s old news 📰 

2 hours ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Had to read that twice. I thought there was someone called Clary Bass.

I meant “ clarty” a good old fashioned Scottish word 😂

2 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

 

what happened to that lady who was the Scottish covid guru type who was pushing for an elimination strategy (or whatever the terminology is for maintaining very low covid levels) - has she been swept away by the politics or converted to this accept the (slightly worrying) risk ? Or something else?

 

 

 

 

Devi Sindhar ?  Oh no she’s still a Govt stooge ! Tweeting most of the to encouraging young people and children to get the vaccination . She’s become an echo chamber now it seems . Like a few of them . 

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Yes, unfortunately we've been force fed a diet of daily updates of "cases", hospitalisations and deaths for 18months now. There has deliberately never been any context provided, in order to scare the public witless. 

Some in the scientific community are fighting like fury to maintain lockdown and are therefore continuing with their hospitalisation scaremongering,  apparently oblivious to the vaccination roll out and the fact that 90% of UK adults now have antibodies.

The public have now been brainwashed into seeing any level of hospitalisations or deaths as being a justification for restrictive measures and cowering away in the house.

Hundreds of thousands are hospitalised and tens of thousands die every winter with flu or pneumonia and no-one batted an eyelid.  Now, we seem to be searching for a cure for death.

 

For full transparency,  any future reporting of hospital/death figures should be published alongside non-Covid related figures. That will allow the public to see the bigger picture and move on from the Covid induced fear and paralysis that is gripping the country.

 

 

All very true Enzo . Now become a Nation of state sponsored hypochondriacs  

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

9 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Correct, Nucky.

 

Us sailor types have fat libidos, fat wallets, and fatter boabies.

 

[Governor Tarkin]

2 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Yes, unfortunately we've been force fed a diet of daily updates of "cases", hospitalisations and deaths for 18months now. There has deliberately never been any context provided, in order to scare the public witless. 

Some in the scientific community are fighting like fury to maintain lockdown and are therefore continuing with their hospitalisation scaremongering,  apparently oblivious to the vaccination roll out and the fact that 90% of UK adults now have antibodies.

The public have now been brainwashed into seeing any level of hospitalisations or deaths as being a justification for restrictive measures and cowering away in the house.

Hundreds of thousands are hospitalised and tens of thousands die every winter with flu or pneumonia and no-one batted an eyelid.  Now, we seem to be searching for a cure for death.

 

For full transparency,  any future reporting of hospital/death figures should be published alongside non-Covid related figures. That will allow the public to see the bigger picture and move on from the Covid induced fear and paralysis that is gripping the country.

 

 

 

Almost as moving as Churchill's 'Fight on the Beaches' speech, Enzo.

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

5 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Almost as moving as Churchill's 'Fight on the Beaches' speech, Enzo.

 

Yep this is even

 

"Johnson's "fake" freedom day is the latest political con trick to be played on a subservient and compliant population. Indoctrinated people are clamouring not to be given their freedoms back and this will be facilitated through state controlled and state compliant mass media, such as the BBC. The result will be that there will be little real change and a scared, compliant population will largely remain scared and compliant.

Your freedom is your right and a coercive government can no more legitimately, give you back your freedom, than it can take it away."

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

26 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Lol 

That’s old news 📰 

I meant “ clarty” a good old fashioned Scottish word 😂

Devi Sindhar ?  Oh no she’s still a Govt stooge ! Tweeting most of the to encouraging young people and children to get the vaccination . She’s become an echo chamber now it seems . Like a few of them . 

 

yes that lady - she seemed to be quite influential at one point but unless she’s done a massive u-turn sounds like she’s been all-but completely sidelined

[Jambo-Jimbo]

43 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

A fight to the death by both variants, wiping each other out in the process 

 

If only it worked that way.

[Enzo Chiefo]

26 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Almost as moving as Churchill's 'Fight on the Beaches' speech, Enzo.

 

Close, but no cigar, Guv...literally 😂

[JudyJudyJudy]

Stv news really upping the fear . Apparently under 50s are now as seriously ill as over 50s ! There was a woman, late 40s   on it taking about covid and how it impacted on her . I’m not sure if she meant herself or her son I wasn’t watching fully but I did notice was absolutely massive ! 

[JudyJudyJudy]

21 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

 

yes that lady - she seemed to be quite influential at one point but unless she’s done a massive u-turn sounds like she’s been all-but completely sidelined

Yes she seems to be sidelined more 

[Taffin]

53 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

 

what happened to that lady who was the Scottish covid guru type who was pushing for an elimination strategy (or whatever the terminology is for maintaining very low covid levels) - has she been swept away by the politics or converted to this accept the (slightly worrying) risk ? Or something else?

 

I'm not sure what happened to her. I've stopped reading much about it these days in honesty so no idea how prevalent she's been or not. A lot of what she said was interesting and we'll placed, I just had no time for her presenting a lot of opinion (even if commonly shared) as fact, when hindsight actually showed it to be wrong/she changed her mind.

 

53 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

the point you made a few days ago about the most vulnerable who got jagged first will be running out of protection the longer we wait unless the boosters turn up rapid

 

 

 

 

 

 

Regards that part, I've no idea if it's accurate or not. I could be wildly wrong...but if immunity (which isn't immunity but whatever it would be called) diminishes then we're in a never ending loop and as such the timing is irrelevant really in some respects

[Guest]

37 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Stv news really upping the fear . Apparently under 50s are now as seriously ill as over 50s ! There was a woman, late 40s   on it taking about covid and how it impacted on her . I’m not sure if she meant herself or her son I wasn’t watching fully but I did notice was absolutely massive ! 

Seen that too. Occurred to me that the scare stories have changed from deaths to long covid now 

[kila]

7 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

Actually , shock horror , I think the SG are pursuing the correct strategy

 

[Enzo Chiefo]

12 hours ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Most of Nucky's cash is tied up in South American agriculture, Enzo.

Obviously a shrewd investor, Guvnor 👍

[JudyJudyJudy]

16 minutes ago, Jonkel Hoon said:

Seen that too. Occurred to me that the scare stories have changed from deaths to long covid now 

Yes just watched it again and it was her who had covid , 51 years old and like I said massively obese . Ofcourse She would have long covid she would have “ long cold “ f she caught the cold due to her weight issues which impact on health outcomes all the time . 

[Don Dan]

2 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

Johnson's "fake" freedom day

Johnson to a tee. He a born liar and a chancer. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, kila said:

 

 

[theshed]

4 hours ago, Footballfirst said:

The UK has hit the 50k mark a few days earlier than expected with 51,870 reported today.

 

As bad as it sounds I’ve just been reading the last time we hit the 50k mark the death rate that day was 1,139 today it was 49 

[Taffin]

7 minutes ago, theshed said:

 

As bad as it sounds I’ve just been reading the last time we hit the 50k mark the death rate that day was 1,139 today it was 49 

 

There was a really good Twitter post from a Dr in the NHS basically showing the same. Last time the cases were this high was January or something and he was then comparing admittance to hospital, those in hospital and deaths between now and then. And when I say comparing, there was no comparison. It was night and day between them

[Brighton Jambo]

4 hours ago, Costanza said:

This is a conference with international scientists disagreeing with the UK approach. Now this might be an echo chamber of like minded scientists but it would be good to hear an opposite point of view. Other than this thread, I'm struggling to see a visible and significant scientific view that what the UK is doing, is the correct approach. Is there one because I'm genuinely interested to see an alternative point of view other than the same tired tropes on this thread?

(not aimed at you btw)

 

 

I don’t think there would be a scientific view that does agree from an epidemiological perspective but this far into the pandemic both UK and Scottish governments are factoring in other things as well, both from a health perspective (mental health) but also economy and potentially educational (get the wave down now so that it is on the way down when schools go back)

 

A number of other counties are doing the same so I don’t think we are a total outlier.  US opened up months ago with cases rates not dissimilar.  
 

Personally I think it was inconceivable that given vaccination numbers we could have been kept under tight restrictions only to open up in Autumn.  Deaths today for example were only circa 3% of total daily deaths and not all them are ‘from’ Covid.  

Edited July 16, 2021 by Brighton Jambo

[milky_26]

even if you are double jabbed you will still have to quarantine for 10 days if you return from france from monday

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57869880

[Taffin]

1 minute ago, milky_26 said:

even if you are double jabbed you will still have to quarantine for 10 days if you return from france from monday

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57869880

 

 

Makes no sense really.

 

In going to Weston Super Mare tomorrow to experience a quintessential English summer time activity. It'll be utterly mobbed with far more cases than France yet come Sunday I can go wherever I want in the UK.

 

[Enzo Chiefo]

2 hours ago, Brighton Jambo said:

I don’t think there would be a scientific view that does agree from an epidemiological perspective but this far into the pandemic both UK and Scottish governments are factoring in other things as well, both from a health perspective (mental health) but also economy and potentially educational (get the wave down now so that it is on the way down when schools go back)

 

A number of other counties are doing the same so I don’t think we are a total outlier.  US opened up months ago with cases rates not dissimilar.  
 

Personally I think it was inconceivable that given vaccination numbers we could have been kept under tight restrictions only to open up in Autumn.  Deaths today for example were only circa 3% of total daily deaths and not all them are ‘from’ Covid.  

Until we receive a more detailed breakdown of cases/hospitalisations now compared to during the 2nd wave, how many "cases" are asymptomatic and how long  "hospitalisations " constitute compared to previously, we can disregard the continued scaremongering "experts" whose noses are now out of joint, thanks to Boris calling their bluff.

They've moved from the SA variant to Delta and now back to SA. It's an absolute sh*t show.

Viruses vary and we shouldn't concern ourselves with it. You can't keep variants out as we see with the complete and utter Antipodean mess that has been unfolding. 

 

[Enzo Chiefo]

6 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

All very true Enzo . Now become a Nation of state sponsored hypochondriacs  

 

 

Yes, some have, James.

And this nonsense about a great "experiment" in opening up that "the world is watching". We're not doing anything that hasn't been done around the world already. 

Spanish pubs have been open late for months, nightclubs have also been opened across various European countries and mask wearing has been mandated and then voluntary across many countries,  including the States.

We're simply taking the next step that having 90% of our adult population allows, nay, demands.

[JudyJudyJudy]

26 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Yes, some have, James.

And this nonsense about a great "experiment" in opening up that "the world is watching". We're not doing anything that hasn't been done around the world already. 

Spanish pubs have been open late for months, nightclubs have also been opened across various European countries and mask wearing has been mandated and then voluntary across many countries,  including the States.

We're simply taking the next step that having 90% of our adult population allows, nay, demands.

Yes the narrative coming from end mass media is scary and as per usual fear mongering nonsense . Painting the English opening up as some kind of completely irresponsible strategy without any science based support behind it . As you rightly say many countries have opened up and have been fine, in particular many states in the USA are back to complete normality but due to censorship from our main media ( television ) we hardly hear anything about it . Now that’s a worry ? Why ?