Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Ron Burgundy]

Just now, Footballfirst said:

The main impact is that those who haven't been double jabbed will have to self isolate on their return

Cheers.

How do they enforce that?

[Footballfirst]

Just now, Ron Burgundy said:

Cheers.

How do they enforce that?

They same way as they enforce self isolation for infected folks and their close contacts.  You might get a phone call about your whereabouts, or you might not.  

 

Fines can be levied if you are caught.

[scott herbertson]

Down to 6.6% positivity but 19 deaths and hospitalisations still rising.

 

 

[Ron Burgundy]

3 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

They same way as they enforce self isolation for infected folks and their close contacts.  You might get a phone call about your whereabouts, or you might not.  

 

Fines can be levied if you are caught.

It's not me that's going, unfortunately. I'm double jabbed anyway.

[DETTY29]

6.6% positivity rate.

[Enzo Chiefo]

19 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Cheers.

How do they enforce that?

Same as they do with masks - avoid confrontation and say nothing. 

[redjambo]

Scottish numbers: 15 July 2021

Summary

• 2,086 new cases of COVID-19 reported [-550; down from 2,802 a week ago]
• 34,773 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [-1,076]
  • 6.6% of these were positive [-1.5%]
• 19 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [+8]
• 47 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+1]
• 543 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+28]
• 3,956,549 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 2,927,130 have received their second dose [+8,103; +12,226]

[redjambo]

Today's trend stats. The most noticeable stat today was the daily death figure of 19, significantly greater than we've been seeing lately. Hospitalisations and ICU patients still on the up. Otherwise, the overall case rate is still declining, as is the 7-day positivity rate. I've noticed that I had an error in the 7-day test figure in yesterday's table (18,812 instead of 28,812, now corrected).

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	WHO	Today	Yesterday			13 Jul	12 Jul	11 Jul	10 Jul	9 Jul	...	1 May
Scotland			308	321	-13		343	340	344	356	373	...	22
Midlothian	2	4	586	624	-38		660	647	653	708	715	...	10
Dundee City	2	4	495	527	-32		584	589	614	668	721	...	13
Angus	1	4	427	445	-18		473	448	458	453	497	...	7
Inverclyde	1	4	415	443	-28		446	451	442	479	487	...	15
East Lothian	1	4	408	429	-21		474	463	486	512	523	...	5
Edinburgh City	2	4	405	428	-23		465	451	468	487	507	...	27
East Renfrewshire	2	4	371	395	-24		412	425	423	425	426	...	24
North Lanarkshire	2	4	363	369	-6		370	356	351	350	363	...	40
Glasgow City	2	4	361	376	-15		397	405	415	424	438	...	33
Renfrewshire	2	4	350	355	-5		355	347	353	382	410	...	20
Fife	1	4	323	336	-13		366	372	375	381	406	...	32
West Lothian	1	4	321	335	-14		366	368	356	368	383	...	26
West Dunbartonshire	1	4	320	351	-31		387	380	382	401	442	...	28
Aberdeen City	1	4	296	314	-18		350	348	362	376	391	...	13
Falkirk	1	4	295	323	-28		344	344	334	341	339	...	23
Perth & Kinross	1	4	294	328	-34		360	359	367	384	439	...	22
East Dunbartonshire	2	4	264	282	-18		328	337	354	369	399	...	51
South Lanarkshire	2	4	255	251	+4		253	250	256	266	279	...	18
Stirling	2	4	219	226	-7		242	248	230	238	240	...	11
Scottish Borders	1	4	202	229	-27		230	237	246	268	292	...	6
Highland	1 / 0	4	201	199	+2		209	218	219	234	234	...	9
Aberdeenshire	1	4	200	201	-1		212	202	206	199	211	...	8
North Ayrshire	2	4	194	211	-17		251	251	256	263	272	...	17
South Ayrshire	2	4	194	186	+8		206	201	202	224	237	...	25
Shetland Islands	0	4	183	144	+39		109	74	65	52	44	...	0
East Ayrshire	2	4	179	199	-20		219	211	222	248	279	...	45
Moray	1	4	160	148	+12		125	106	96	83	86	...	65
Clackmannanshire	2	3	146	167	-21		192	196	192	210	210	...	14
Argyll & Bute	1 / 0	3	140	151	-11		172	169	158	168	184	...	7
Dumfries & Galloway	1	3	132	111	+21		124	117	112	104	109	...	19
Orkney Islands	0	3	85	117	-32		126	126	112	112	108	...	0
Na h-Eileanan Siar	0	2	41	45	-4		64	64	52	41	49	...	0
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			13 Jul	12 Jul	11 Jul	10 Jul	9 Jul	...	1 May
Tests			28304	28812	-508		29577	29766	29608	30380	31438	...	18484
Cases			2406	2508	-102		2674	2650	2684	2781	2912	...	171
Positivity rate %			9.3	9.5	-0.2		9.9	9.7	9.9	9.9	10.0	...	1.1
Deaths			6.7	4.6	+2.1		3.7	4.0	4.0	4.0	3.4	...	1.3
All Vaccinations			22418	23467	-1049		24942	26331	26571	26787	26573	...	45346
1st Dose			7955	8324	-369		8873	9312	10118	10825	11346	...	6677
2nd Dose			14463	15143	-680		16069	17019	16453	15962	15227	...	38669
Daily data
All in hospital			543	515	+28		506	469	444	435	427	...	65
Non-ICU			496	469	+27		465	429	404	393	388	...	54
ICU			47	46	+1		41	40	40	42	39	...	11

Edited July 15, 2021 by redjambo

[Victorian]

Hospital and deaths numbers will probably be a bit sore for a couple of weeks due to the well documented time lag.  They could be very high in fact.  But if that positivity rate keeps on declining then this wave is more or less done in about 4-6 weeks.  Then we'll have our 4th.  The so-called exit wave.  Vaccine coverage should suppress that quite well. 

[Horatio Caine]

3 minutes ago, redjambo said:

Today's trend stats. The most noticeable stat today was the daily death figure of 19, significantly greater than we've been seeing lately. Hospitalisations and ICU patients still on the up. Otherwise, the overall case rate is still declining, as is the 7-day positivity rate. I've noticed that I had an error in the 7-day test figure in yesterday's table (18,812 instead of 28,812, now corrected).

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	WHO	Today	Yesterday			13 Jul	12 Jul	11 Jul	10 Jul	9 Jul	...	1 May
Scotland			308	321	-13		343	340	344	356	373	...	22
Midlothian	2	4	586	624	-38		660	647	653	708	715	...	10
Dundee City	2	4	495	527	-32		584	589	614	668	721	...	13
Angus	1	4	427	445	-18		473	448	458	453	497	...	7
Inverclyde	1	4	415	443	-28		446	451	442	479	487	...	15
East Lothian	1	4	408	429	-21		474	463	486	512	523	...	5
Edinburgh City	2	4	405	428	-23		465	451	468	487	507	...	27
East Renfrewshire	2	4	371	395	-24		412	425	423	425	426	...	24
North Lanarkshire	2	4	363	369	-6		370	356	351	350	363	...	40
Glasgow City	2	4	361	376	-15		397	405	415	424	438	...	33
Renfrewshire	2	4	350	355	-5		355	347	353	382	410	...	20
Fife	1	4	323	336	-13		366	372	375	381	406	...	32
West Lothian	1	4	321	335	-14		366	368	356	368	383	...	26
West Dunbartonshire	1	4	320	351	-31		387	380	382	401	442	...	28
Aberdeen City	1	4	296	314	-18		350	348	362	376	391	...	13
Falkirk	1	4	295	323	-28		344	344	334	341	339	...	23
Perth & Kinross	1	4	294	328	-34		360	359	367	384	439	...	22
East Dunbartonshire	2	4	264	282	-18		328	337	354	369	399	...	51
South Lanarkshire	2	4	255	251	+4		253	250	256	266	279	...	18
Stirling	2	4	219	226	-7		242	248	230	238	240	...	11
Scottish Borders	1	4	202	229	-27		230	237	246	268	292	...	6
Highland	1 / 0	4	201	199	+2		209	218	219	234	234	...	9
Aberdeenshire	1	4	200	201	-1		212	202	206	199	211	...	8
North Ayrshire	2	4	194	211	-17		251	251	256	263	272	...	17
South Ayrshire	2	4	194	186	+8		206	201	202	224	237	...	25
Shetland Islands	0	4	183	144	+39		109	74	65	52	44	...	0
East Ayrshire	2	4	179	199	-20		219	211	222	248	279	...	45
Moray	1	4	160	148	+12		125	106	96	83	86	...	65
Clackmannanshire	2	3	146	167	-21		192	196	192	210	210	...	14
Argyll & Bute	1 / 0	3	140	151	-11		172	169	158	168	184	...	7
Dumfries & Galloway	1	3	132	111	+21		124	117	112	104	109	...	19
Orkney Islands	0	3	85	117	-32		126	126	112	112	108	...	0
Na h-Eileanan Siar	0	2	41	45	-4		64	64	52	41	49	...	0
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			13 Jul	12 Jul	11 Jul	10 Jul	9 Jul	...	1 May
Tests			28304	28812	-508		29577	29766	29608	30380	31438	...	18484
Cases			2406	2508	-102		2674	2650	2684	2781	2912	...	171
Positivity rate %			9.3	9.5	-0.2		9.9	9.7	9.9	9.9	10.0	...	1.1
Deaths			6.7	4.6	+2.1		3.7	4.0	4.0	4.0	3.4	...	1.3
All Vaccinations			22418	23467	-1049		24942	26331	26571	26787	26573	...	45346
1st Dose			7955	8324	-369		8873	9312	10118	10825	11346	...	6677
2nd Dose			14463	15143	-680		16069	17019	16453	15962	15227	...	38669
Daily data
All in hospital			543	515	+28		506	469	444	435	427	...	65
Non-ICU			496	469	+27		Show Reply465	429	404	393	388	...	54
ICU			47	46	+1		41	40	40	42	39	...	11

Pardon my ignorance RJ, but the table above shows a test positivity of 9.3% whereas your previous post stated it as 6.6%.  What is it I am missing?

[redjambo]

1 minute ago, Horatio Caine said:

Pardon my ignorance RJ, but the table above shows a test positivity of 9.3% whereas your previous post stated it as 6.6%.  What is it I am missing?

 

Today's reported test positivity figure was 6.6%. However my table shows the 7-day average test positivity figure which smooths out the jumps and falls that the figure endures throughout the week (it is considerably variant). If you read back along the table, it allows a better view of where the rate is going (slowly declining in this case - 9.3, 9.5, 9.9, 9.7, 9.9, 9.9, 10.0) than the actual figures for the past week would give (6.6, 8.1, 11.5, 11.1, 11.2, 9, 9.9).

 

Let me know if that hasn't explained it.

[Gizmo]

Travelling Tabby's trend graphs might also help show where we are heading.
 

 

[scott herbertson]

Good to see vaccinations creeping up a bit again too

[JudyJudyJudy]

I can never find that age of deaths stats on travelling tabby ? 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Same as they do with masks - avoid confrontation and say nothing. 

Or like I did today in st James quarter when a “ guard “ asked me Where my mask was ? In a very impolite manner . I just ignored him . 

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

One of the good things about the retention of masks and some self-isolation rules is that it’ll help to provide an extra layer of protection for those who can’t get the vaccination

 

i think up until Christmas was mentioned for masks but it wouldn’t surprise me if they’re retained for jan and feb too to help out the unvaccinated and more vulnerable 

 

 

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

40 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

I can never find that age of deaths stats on travelling tabby ? 

 

must be there mate seems like they have an extensive range of data - maybe ask one of the regular users to point you to the right place - never used it myself I just look at the second-hand stuff on here

[Robbo-Jambo]

3 hours ago, jonesy said:

Off-topic, but can't imagine they'd be permitted in 2021  

 

Didn't Formula 1 get rid of the sexy models holding umbrellas for the drivers? And are there still bikini-clad lassies walking about with the round numbers in the boxing? Have they allowed blokes into the NFL cheerleading squads?

Binned the darts walk on girls as well.

 

Where will it all end 🙁.

[JudyJudyJudy]

10 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

 

must be there mate seems like they have an extensive range of data - maybe ask one of the regular users to point you to the right place - never used it myself I just look at the second-hand stuff on here

It’s one stat which is always hard to find in any outlet . I do wonder why ‘ 

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 hour ago, redjambo said:

Today's trend stats. The most noticeable stat today was the daily death figure of 19, significantly greater than we've been seeing lately. Hospitalisations and ICU patients still on the up. Otherwise, the overall case rate is still declining, as is the 7-day positivity rate. I've noticed that I had an error in the 7-day test figure in yesterday's table (18,812 instead of 28,812, now corrected).

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	WHO	Today	Yesterday			13 Jul	12 Jul	11 Jul	10 Jul	9 Jul	...	1 May
Scotland			308	321	-13		343	340	344	356	373	...	22
Midlothian	2	4	586	624	-38		660	647	653	708	715	...	10
Dundee City	2	4	495	527	-32		584	589	614	668	721	...	13
Angus	1	4	427	445	-18		473	448	458	453	497	...	7
Inverclyde	1	4	415	443	-28		446	451	442	479	487	...	15
East Lothian	1	4	408	429	-21		474	463	486	512	523	...	5
Edinburgh City	2	4	405	428	-23		465	451	468	487	507	...	27
East Renfrewshire	2	4	371	395	-24		412	425	423	425	426	...	24
North Lanarkshire	2	4	363	369	-6		370	356	351	350	363	...	40
Glasgow City	2	4	361	376	-15		397	405	415	424	438	...	33
Renfrewshire	2	4	350	355	-5		355	347	353	382	410	...	20
Fife	1	4	323	336	-13		366	372	375	381	406	...	32
West Lothian	1	4	321	335	-14		366	368	356	368	383	...	26
West Dunbartonshire	1	4	320	351	-31		387	380	382	401	442	...	28
Aberdeen City	1	4	296	314	-18		350	348	362	376	391	...	13
Falkirk	1	4	295	323	-28		344	344	334	341	339	...	23
Perth & Kinross	1	4	294	328	-34		360	359	367	384	439	...	22
East Dunbartonshire	2	4	264	282	-18		328	337	354	369	399	...	51
South Lanarkshire	2	4	255	251	+4		253	250	256	266	279	...	18
Stirling	2	4	219	226	-7		242	248	230	238	240	...	11
Scottish Borders	1	4	202	229	-27		230	237	246	268	292	...	6
Highland	1 / 0	4	201	199	+2		209	218	219	234	234	...	9
Aberdeenshire	1	4	200	201	-1		212	202	206	199	211	...	8
North Ayrshire	2	4	194	211	-17		251	251	256	263	272	...	17
South Ayrshire	2	4	194	186	+8		206	201	202	224	237	...	25
Shetland Islands	0	4	183	144	+39		109	74	65	52	44	...	0
East Ayrshire	2	4	179	199	-20		219	211	222	248	279	...	45
Moray	1	4	160	148	+12		125	106	96	83	86	...	65
Clackmannanshire	2	3	146	167	-21		192	196	192	210	210	...	14
Argyll & Bute	1 / 0	3	140	151	-11		172	169	158	168	184	...	7
Dumfries & Galloway	1	3	132	111	+21		124	117	112	104	109	...	19
Orkney Islands	0	3	85	117	-32		126	126	112	112	108	...	0
Na h-Eileanan Siar	0	2	41	45	-4		64	64	52	41	49	...	0
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			13 Jul	12 Jul	11 Jul	10 Jul	9 Jul	...	1 May
Tests			28304	28812	-508		29577	29766	29608	30380	31438	...	18484
Cases			2406	2508	-102		2674	2650	2684	2781	2912	...	171
Positivity rate %			9.3	9.5	-0.2		9.9	9.7	9.9	9.9	10.0	...	1.1
Deaths			6.7	4.6	+2.1		3.7	4.0	4.0	4.0	3.4	...	1.3
All Vaccinations			22418	23467	-1049		24942	26331	26571	26787	26573	...	45346
1st Dose			7955	8324	-369		8873	9312	10118	10825	11346	...	6677
2nd Dose			14463	15143	-680		16069	17019	16453	15962	15227	...	38669
Daily data
All in hospital			543	515	+28		506	469	444	435	427	...	65
Non-ICU			496	469	+27		465	429	404	393	388	...	54
ICU			47	46	+1		41	40	40	42	39	...	11

👍

[Footballfirst]

37 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

It’s one stat which is always hard to find in any outlet . I do wonder why ‘ 

Here's the last 7 days figures

 

and the new cases for comparison

 

Edited July 15, 2021 by Footballfirst

[Nucky Thompson]

I've went from checking stats and googling UK coronavirus everyday to not bothering my erse anymore.

 

Can't wait until 19th July. Freedom... well only at the weekends in England 

 

[DETTY29]

FF putting up data.  Delete.

Edited July 15, 2021 by DETTY29

[Nucky Thompson]

4 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Here's the last 7 days figures

 

10 deaths in the under 65's. So it's still mostly killing the elderly and infirm 

[DETTY29]

FF putting up data.

Edited July 15, 2021 by DETTY29

[Governor Tarkin]

2 hours ago, Victorian said:

 But if that positivity rate keeps on declining then this wave is more or less done in about 4-6 weeks.  Then we'll have our 4th.  

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

25 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Here's the last 7 days figures

 

and the new cases for comparison

 

Thanks for that info so still cast majority over 65 ? With 1 under the 45 bracket . 

[JudyJudyJudy]

20 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

10 deaths in the under 65's. So it's still mostly killing the elderly and infirm 

Yes like it always has . 

[JudyJudyJudy]

27 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Here's the last 7 days figures

 

and the new cases for comparison

 

The lower stats also evidence the vaccine is doing the biz which is good news 

[JudyJudyJudy]

A bit of humour isn’t always a bad thing on this thread at times 

 

!  On “ the. Chase “ just now a lassie is asked “ which biblical character did Charlton Heston play in  a classic 1956  film ? 
 

answer from her “Lawrence of Arabia “ 😂😂😂

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, Lord BJ said:

I posted this earlier but a double jabbed 60 year old is at a greater risk of COVID than a healthy unvaccinated 30 year old. 
 

According to govt statistician🤷🏻‍♂️ 

I gie up 😎

[Nucky Thompson]

41 deaths in Scotland in fully vaccinated people. Works out at 0.001% of people who have been jabbed 

 

 

[Taffin]

54 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Here's the last 7 days figures

 

and the new cases for comparison

 

 

1 death in the age group that potentially wouldn't be fully vaccinated? Wow. I can't see the worry about the cases looking at that.

[Taffin]

21 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

I posted this earlier but a double jabbed 60 year old is at a greater risk of COVID than a healthy unvaccinated 30 year old. 
 

According to govt statistician🤷🏻‍♂️ 

 

Which begs the question, why doing people keep saying things like "we shouldn't remove restrictions until more people are double jagged?". Those who are dying (bar potentially 1 person's sadly in those charts) will have been offered both by now.

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

1 death in the age group that potentially wouldn't be fully vaccinated? Wow. I can't see the worry about the cases looking at that.

Yep . The SG has to hold tight and recognise that these stats were inevitable and may continue upwards for a few weeks and then level out and drop . It’s important they don’t feel pressure from restrictions / lockdown zealots . They need to ge realistic in their approach in the future . To be fair they don’t seem be panicking , it’s only Some of the influencers ( scientists ) who seem to be . 

[theshed]

5 hours ago, GBJambo said:

That’s two music festivals cancelled in Scotland. Party at the Palace and Party in the Park. 
The events and entertainment industry in Scotland is on its knees. 

It’s mad they are cancelled when it’s outside and you look last week at a full  Wimbledon and the crowds at Wembley 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

[Victorian]

48 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

 

How about you go and do one mate?  

[Footballfirst]

2 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Which begs the question, why doing people keep saying things like "we shouldn't remove restrictions until more people are double jagged?". Those who are dying (bar potentially 1 person's sadly in those charts) will have been offered both by now.

No politician will come out and say it, but there is a level of deaths that is being deemed acceptable.

 

The stronger argument for the retention of some restrictions probably now relates more to hospitalisations, which will continue to rise while case numbers go up.  If that continues unabated, then those advocating no restrictions will return to complaining about rising hospital waiting lists for cancer screening and other illnesses.

[Taffin]

Just now, Footballfirst said:

No politician will come out and say it, but there is a level of deaths that is being deemed acceptable.

 

The stronger argument for the retention of some restrictions probably now relates more to hospitalisations, which will continue to rise while case numbers go up.  If that continues unabated, then those advocating no restrictions will return to complaining about rising hospital waiting lists for cancer screening and other illnesses.

 

 

The hospitalisations argument is a good one, but I'm sure I read we are currently under what the NHS deals with during a bad winter in terms of respiratory issues (someone please correct if that is wrong).

 

I'm also assuming, given it's been going 18 months now and we knew an 'opening up' was on the cards that things have been done to significantly increase capacity of the NHS and improve segregation of Covid patients and non-covid patients. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

No politician will come out and say it, but there is a level of deaths that is being deemed acceptable.

 

The stronger argument for the retention of some restrictions probably now relates more to hospitalisations, which will continue to rise while case numbers go up.  If that continues unabated, then those advocating no restrictions will return to complaining about rising hospital waiting lists for cancer screening and other illnesses.

Didn’t know it was wrong to complain about rising waiting lists and cancer screenings ? Covid isn’t the only game in town 

[Nucky Thompson]

6 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

How about you go and do one mate?  

Hardcore 

[Taffin]

5 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Didn’t know it was wrong to complain about rising waiting lists and cancer screenings ? Covid isn’t the only game in town 

 

Whilst it's not a competition, anyone who's been offered both jags and not taken them, or has not heeded the warnings regards the other clear controllable metrics of risk (weight mainly) and then needs hospitalisation due to contracting Covid should be lower priority than people waiting for other things.

 

I appreciate that's a can of worms and far more complicated than that but there you go. Also note I said controllable, I completely agree there are some people who's weight issues are due to other health issues.

Edited July 15, 2021 by Taffin

[Governor Tarkin]

44 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

I gie up 😎

 

 🤞

[Governor Tarkin]

15 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

How about you go and do one mate?  

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

6 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Whilst it's not a competition, anyone who's been offered both jags and not taken them, or has not heeded the warnings regards the other clear controllable metrics of risk (weight mainly) and then needs hospitalisation due to contracting Covid should be lower priority than people waiting for other things.

 

I appreciate that's a can of worms and far more complicated than that but there you go. Also note I said controllable, I completely agree there are some people who's weight issues are due to other health issues.

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[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

 🤞

 

[i8hibsh]

1 minute ago, JamesM48 said:

 

 

 

Did that not use to be your avator?   How do I know that person?

Edited July 15, 2021 by i8hibsh

[JudyJudyJudy]

4 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Did that not use to be your avator?   How do I know that person?

It’s the legendary Livia Soprano from “ The Sopranos “ ! She had a very bleak but realistic view of life which I share at times 😂! Dr Melfi diagnosed her as having a narcissistic personality disorder .   

3 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

 

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery 😂

[JudyJudyJudy]

10 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

 

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery 😂

Have a good night 👍👍

[i8hibsh]

Just now, JamesM48 said:

It’s the legendary Livia Soprano from “ The Sopranos “ ! She had a very bleak but realistic view of life which I share at times 😂! Dr Melfi diagnosed her as having a narcissistic personality disorder .   

 

 

 

Never even seen 1 second of the Sopranos