Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[JudyJudyJudy]

17 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

I personally believe that it was useful before mass vaccinations took a hold, and may have continued doing as long as cases were reducing towards zero, but due to the current surge (paging @JamesM48 since he adores this term), it's meaningless at the moment. All those 1's and 2's were decided according to the conditions on a specific date and were in fact outdated very quickly as the conditions changed. In my view, the SG had decided by then to no longer place a local authority upwards into a higher tier, unless in extenuating circumstances, so they were rapidly left with tiers which didn't reflect the reality on the ground and nothing much they could do about it. I suppose they could have moved almost everyone up to tier 2 but that would have engendered a backlash and as they had by then decided, imo, to ride the wave of herd immunity by infection (they didn't have much choice once control of the virus was lost), it made no sense to do anything to the tiers. So, the tiers have been effectively locked away in a cupboard and forgotten about at the moment until the storm abates and the picture is clearer.

Arghhhhh 😂😂

[SE16 3LN]

11 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

I'm not joking at all.

 

London is and was the jumping off point for every variant to hit these shores. This particular variant could have been delayed (it was unlikely to ever prevent it landing in this country eventually) which would have allowed more time for the excellent vaccination programme to get to even more adults and young people vaccinated, which in itself would have had less of an impact on the communities you mention. 

I'm concerned about those that travelled to London uninfected and came back infected accelerating the spread in communities up here. 

There's failures of governments here and a naivete/willful ignorance that people were going to travel to the football either from Scotland or indeed other parts of England. 

You can trace the line all the way back to not closing the border to India in a timely manner.

The first point is factually incorrect and I assume motivated by Political dogma rather than science. The second point was my worry too. A few guys from Edinburgh, Dundee or Glasgow who were infected when they came to London will have spread the virus among thousands of others who then took it back to Scotland. Obviously you don't care about the impact in London because of your far right political views. The third point may have some substance although if they'd have had to close the border in December last year to halt a meaningful spread and I didn't hear anyone advocating for that.

 

As usual, Scots born supremacists are stoking the "blame Westminster" fire and its not a good look.

 

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

16 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

No, I appreciate that but my point is that a lot of the PCR tests are simply reaffirming the lateral flow results. Therefore a lot of the testing is among those who are likely to be positive rather than being spread evenly across the population. 

We used to see higher percentages at weekends too, possibly because only those with symptoms would be tested with fewer randomised tests. 

 

some not understanding independence or selection Enzo

 

 

 

 

 

 

[The Mighty Thor]

5 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said:

The first point is factually incorrect and I assume motivated by Political dogma rather than science. The second point was my worry too. A few guys from Edinburgh, Dundee or Glasgow who were infected when they came to London will have spread the virus among thousands of others who then took it back to Scotland. Obviously you don't care about the impact in London because of your far right political views. The third point may have some substance although if they'd have had to close the border in December last year to halt a meaningful spread and I didn't hear anyone advocating for that.

 

As usual, Scots born supremacists are stoking the "blame Westminster" fire and its not a good look.

 

another swing and a miss there sparky!

 

Heathrow Airport. The jumping off point for the virus from day one back in February 2020.

Viruses can't swim and last I checked we're an island. The Indian variant was allowed to seed in this country because we didn't close the borders (despite the far right party of power telling us for the last 5 years how they were going to take back control of our borders. Funny that!) and in fact the Westminster government gave an extra period of free pass to thousands to enter the UK when they'd already shut down access to India's neighbours, Pakistan & Bangladesh, both of whom had lower virus infection rates.

The whole who brought the virus to London to then take it away again will never be answered and I suspect your assertion it was the scots is driven by the huge chip on your shoulder, it's almost as if someone shat on the floor of your local.  

As usual your anti-scots agenda clouds your ability to see the woods from the trees. 

[mrmarkus1981]

Ooooft, East Lothian is loupin with the Covid

 

I know that 2 of my local pubs have closed due to staff testing positive

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 hour ago, redjambo said:

Today's trend stats:

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	WHO	Today	Yesterday			22 Jun	21 Jun	20 Jun	19 Jun	18 Jun	...	1 May
Scotland			233	203	+30		169	147	138	135	132	...	22
East Lothian	1	4	489	408	+81		316	225	216	186	169	...	5
Dundee City	2	4	470	419	+51		334	301	298	325	326	...	13
Edinburgh City	2	4	408	342	+66		285	248	227	220	220	...	27
Midlothian	2	4	388	334	+54		238	176	176	161	156	...	10
East Ayrshire	2	4	321	299	+22		244	229	211	210	194	...	45
West Dunbartonshire	1	4	313	270	+43		224	192	169	141	123	...	28
East Dunbartonshire	2	4	265	237	+28		226	211	200	181	172	...	51
Glasgow City	2	4	250	227	+23		193	179	167	167	160	...	33
Perth & Kinross	1	4	249	240	+9		193	164	157	153	161	...	22
Renfrewshire	2	4	247	215	+32		175	143	146	154	145	...	20
East Renfrewshire	2	4	242	203	+39		189	183	170	170	169	...	24
South Lanarkshire	2	4	227	199	+28		160	132	119	118	118	...	18
West Lothian	1	4	217	174	+43		147	134	126	121	116	...	26
North Ayrshire	2	4	216	209	+7		200	177	160	149	159	...	17
Scottish Borders	1	4	216	201	+15		152	104	89	89	87	...	6
North Lanarkshire	2	4	215	188	+27		169	158	153	149	149	...	40
Aberdeen City	1	4	209	172	+37		146	130	126	122	110	...	13
Angus	1	4	206	154	+52		112	77	79	86	100	...	7
Argyll & Bute	1 / 0	4	193	191	+2		191	168	156	142	115	...	7
South Ayrshire	2	4	182	170	+12		172	194	205	228	247	...	25
Inverclyde	1	4	177	153	+24		127	89	77	62	60	...	15
Clackmannanshire	2	4	167	163	+4		153	140	147	159	182	...	14
Fife	1	4	163	128	+35		100	81	72	73	72	...	32
Falkirk	1	4	159	134	+25		110	90	88	88	75	...	23
Stirling	2	3	143	122	+21		97	89	80	83	77	...	11
Aberdeenshire	1	3	112	99	+13		79	64	55	45	38	...	8
Dumfries & Galloway	1	3	98	80	+18		65	48	44	34	35	...	19
Highland	1 / 0	3	70	54	+16		35	28	25	23	20	...	9
Shetland Islands	0	3	61	57	+4		57	52	31	22	4	...	0
Orkney Islands	0	2	40	27	+13		22	18	18	18	4	...	0
Moray	1	2	31	22	+9		20	15	13	10	10	...	65
Na h-Eileanan Siar	0	1	4	4	0		4	4	7	7	7	...	0
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			22 Jun	21 Jun	20 Jun	19 Jun	18 Jun	...	1 May
Tests			29577	28154	+1423		27201	26590	26190	26298	25990	...	18484
Cases			1821	1581	+240		1318	1148	1078	1054	1028	...	171
Positivity rate %			6.5	6.0	+0.5		5.2	4.6	4.4	4.3	4.3	...	1.1
Deaths			2.6	2.4	+0.2		1.9	1.6	1.6	1.6	1.6	...	1.3
All Vaccinations			34149	36281	-2132		37955	38557	39873	40928	41876	...	45346
1st Dose			17654	18554	-900		19016	18538	19043	19127	18939	...	6677
2nd Dose			16495	17727	-1232		18939	20019	20830	21801	22937	...	38669
Daily data
All in hospital			177	170	+7		171	158	149	145	128	...	65
Non-ICU			160	152	+8		153	144	137	135	116	...	54
ICU			17	18	-1		18	14	12	10	12	...	11

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[The Mighty Thor]

3 minutes ago, mrmarkus1981 said:

Ooooft, East Lothian is loupin with the Covid

 

I know that 2 of my local pubs have closed due to staff testing positive

from 5 per 100,000 on 1st of May to now is some shift. 

 

I knew no one who had tested positive until the last fortnight and there must be about 20 people i know who are now positive or isolating. 

 

We dodged that bullet the first two variants but this one is ripping through the community, albeit with little serious illness or hospitalisation thankfully.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

2 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

I don't think (and rightly so imo) that there ever has been a choice. I certainly wasn't offered a choice and would not have thought about asking for one. 

 

Exactly, no choice given nor was expected, which makes it all the more baffling why some people either thought or expected to be given a choice, as was reported in another post.

[Ron Burgundy]

1 hour ago, theshed said:

Said on news that 4 of those deaths were people over 75.  I know that doesn’t matter to the people’s family’s but makes you think they might have had other conditions 

 

If you get to 75 you've done not too bad in my book.

 

Suddenly it's tragic when old people die???

 

It's sad for the family but that's the way things work.

 

[redjambo]

7 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

 

If you get to 75 you've done not too bad in my book.

 

Suddenly it's tragic when old people die???

 

It's sad for the family but that's the way things work.

 

 

Except that the deaths are not limited to those over 75. Here, from Travelling Tabby, are the deaths from the last 7 days. Expect these figures to ramp up when the currently high and increasing rate of infections inevitably translates into hospitalisations and deaths. I'm not being dramatic here, by the way, this is just the way things are.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

1 minute ago, redjambo said:

 

Except that the deaths are not limited to those over 75. Here, from Travelling Tabby, are the deaths from the last 7 days. Expect these figures to ramp up when the currently high and increasing rate of infections inevitably translates into hospitalisations and deaths. I'm not being dramatic here, by the way, this is just the way things are.

 

Genuine question but are those people that have died with covid from heart attacks for example or actually from covid itself?

[westbow]

32 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

 

Heathrow Airport. The jumping off point for the virus from day one back in February 2020.

 

No it wasn't. We have international airports all over the UK. Infections were brought back from people holidaying in Europe.

[Ray Gin]

4 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Genuine question but are those people that have died with covid from heart attacks for example or actually from covid itself?

 

Covid-19 causes heart damage. If someone with Covid-19 dies of a heart attack, it's likely to have been a contributory factor. I'm not sure how they could predict if and when they would have had a heart attack regardless.

 

[redjambo]

1 minute ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Genuine question but are those people that have died with covid from heart attacks for example or actually from covid itself?

 

It's not a genuine question at all, Ron. You know as well as I do that the precise details of the causes of deaths of individuals is not information that is released, and therefore my response that I don't know will prompt you to move on from your "People over 75 are expendable", through "They must all have underlying illnesses anyway" to "They've all died of other things, they just happen to have been infected with Covid at the same time". It's drearily predictable. Your mind has been made up before the arguing even begins and you'll come up with any argument you can in order to back up those opinions.

 

But who am I to stop you? I don't know the answer to your question.

[Enzo Chiefo]

1 hour ago, The Mighty Thor said:

I'm not joking at all.

 

London is and was the jumping off point for every variant to hit these shores. This particular variant could have been delayed (it was unlikely to ever prevent it landing in this country eventually) which would have allowed more time for the excellent vaccination programme to get to even more adults and young people vaccinated, which in itself would have had less of an impact on the communities you mention. 

I'm concerned about those that travelled to London uninfected and came back infected accelerating the spread in communities up here. 

There's failures of governments here and a naivete/willful ignorance that people were going to travel to the football either from Scotland or indeed other parts of England. 

You can trace the line all the way back to not closing the border to India in a timely manner.

But if they became infected on their trip south, it was far more likely that they would catch it from and spread it to other Scots. The rates in London are far lower than in Scotland and most of the weekend would have been spent bevvying with other Scots or spreading germs amongst themselves in fountains.  

Tbh, it's the Londoners that should have the grievance not the marauding tartan clad hordes. 

[Enzo Chiefo]

1 hour ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

 

some not understanding independence or selection Enzo

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, it's a "bang your head against the wall" type of discussion for sure, MMM. 😒

[The Mighty Thor]

17 minutes ago, westbow said:

No it wasn't. We have international airports all over the UK. Infections were brought back from people holidaying in Europe.

Patient A & Patient B, a mother and adult son, were the first UK cases. Both had flown to the UK from Wuhan, China and transited through Heathrow Airport before travelling onto York where they both became unwell.

 

Heathrow was the initial jumping off point for that variant. The Indian (Delta) variant again through Heathrow (Manchester has 2 direct flights a week)

 

 

[redjambo]

Right, so here is the definition used by PHS:

 

Public Health Scotland [...] defines a confirmed COVID-19 death as an individual who dies within 28 days of their first positive COVID-19 laboratory report. This is shown on the webpage as the daily number of new deaths and the total number of people who have died in Scotland having tested positive.  

 

https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-data-definitions-and-sources/

 

It is by no means a perfect definition, but given points raised by Ray Gin above, for example, I can't see how they could come up with a better definition.

[redjambo]

8 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Tbh, it's the Londoners that should have the grievance not the marauding tartan clad hordes. 

 

Given the different infection rates in Scotland and in London lately plus the nature of the mixing, I agree Enzo that it would have been more likely that net transmission was from Scots fans to locals and the greatest share of transmission would have been between fellow Scots. In my opinion, of course.

Edited June 24, 2021 by redjambo

[The Mighty Thor]

3 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

But if they became infected on their trip south, it was far more likely that they would catch it from and spread it to other Scots. The rates in London are far lower than in Scotland and most of the weekend would have been spent bevvying with other Scots or spreading germs amongst themselves in fountains.  

Tbh, it's the Londoners that should have the grievance not the marauding tartan clad hordes. 

I don't disagree with you. That's why I said it was a failure of Governments plural to not address the absolute certainty that people would be travelling from all over the UK to a major international football tournament with the obvious potential for the transmission of the virus. 

[westbow]

21 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Patient A & Patient B, a mother and adult son, were the first UK cases. Both had flown to the UK from Wuhan, China and transited through Heathrow Airport before travelling onto York where they both became unwell.

 

Heathrow was the initial jumping off point for that variant. The Indian (Delta) variant again through Heathrow (Manchester has 2 direct flights a week)

 

 

Might have been the first documented cases but there many traceable cases flown in from different parts of Europe to different parts of the country. That is how the pandemic started. There was no patient zero. There were 1300 separate cases brought into the UK. Mainly brought from Italy then Spain then France in March 2020.

[The Mighty Thor]

8 minutes ago, westbow said:

Might have been the first documented cases but there many traceable cases flown in from different parts of Europe to different parts of the country. That is how the pandemic started. There was no patient zero. There were 1300 separate cases brought into the UK. Mainly brought from Italy then Spain then France in March 2020.

The initial cases came directly from China, through Heathrow. It seeded into London very early, hence the reason London took a battering in the early stages of the initial wave. 

Delta variant?

[Savage Vince]

46 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

But if they became infected on their trip south, it was far more likely that they would catch it from and spread it to other Scots. The rates in London are far lower than in Scotland and most of the weekend would have been spent bevvying with other Scots or spreading germs amongst themselves in fountains.  

Tbh, it's the Londoners that should have the grievance not the marauding tartan clad hordes. 

 

Just clarifying with you that it can spread in big outdoor fountains in London but not in restaurants in Edinburgh? Thanks 😁

[highlandjambo3]

Dear All,

Just for clarity and everyone’s mental health, when/if you mention the “third wave” can you also mention it’s in reference to infections and not deaths…….there will NOT be a third wave of deaths……let’s move along here as the flat earthers are going bonkers.

 

kind regards

 

Jonny two jabs.

[SE16 3LN]

2 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

another swing and a miss there sparky!

 

Heathrow Airport. The jumping off point for the virus from day one back in February 2020.

Viruses can't swim and last I checked we're an island. The Indian variant was allowed to seed in this country because we didn't close the borders (despite the far right party of power telling us for the last 5 years how they were going to take back control of our borders. Funny that!) and in fact the Westminster government gave an extra period of free pass to thousands to enter the UK when they'd already shut down access to India's neighbours, Pakistan & Bangladesh, both of whom had lower virus infection rates.

The whole who brought the virus to London to then take it away again will never be answered and I suspect your assertion it was the scots is driven by the huge chip on your shoulder, it's almost as if someone shat on the floor of your local.  

As usual your anti-scots agenda clouds your ability to see the woods from the trees. 

More Nationalist rhetoric thrown about with no basis in fact. Everyone comes to the UK through Heathrow? 🤣 . What a parochial pile of shite. Other airports were available to bring the virus from Italian ski resorts in particular, through every part of the UK, including Edinburgh. 

 

The reason Nanny Nicola is fanning your racist and xenophobic hatred is because the Delta variant appeared early in her own back yard, her own constituency in fact, and she doesn't want her fan boys to see that. You're promoting destructive conspiracy theories to hide behind a far right Nationalist front. Clearly you've got a chip on your shoulder because deep down you know that multi cultural London exposes your narrow minded extremist views that don't have the science to back them up.

[redjambo]

27 minutes ago, highlandjambo3 said:

Dear All,

Just for clarity and everyone’s mental health, when/if you mention the “third wave” can you also mention it’s in reference to infections and not deaths…….there will NOT be a third wave of deaths……let’s move along here as the flat earthers are going bonkers.

 

kind regards

 

Jonny two jabs.

 

There will be indeed be a third wave of deaths (and we're just seeing the start of that). It just (probably) won't be a very big wave, certainly not on the scale of the first two. I think that almost everyone on here is aware of the much smaller correlation between infections and deaths as a result of mass vaccination (and other factors such as better treatment), so that fact doesn't need to be pointed out to them, imo.

[redjambo]

Just now, Barack said:

I for one, look forward to a wee wave. Equivalent to the Mariner Centre Wave Machine.

 

I look forward to no masks, less social distancing, watching cinema, travelling abroad, not seeing Hugh Pym every day...(probably should have an Underworld track playing along to this...)🤔

 

As do we all, Barack.

 

Your wish is my command. Here is my favourite Underworld track:

 

 

[Francis Albert]

2 hours ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Covid-19 causes heart damage. If someone with Covid-19 dies of a heart attack, it's likely to have been a contributory factor. I'm not sure how they could predict if and when they would have had a heart attack regardless.

 

There must be some way of assessing statistically how many have died with Covid would have died anyway but it is all a bit nitpicking. 

It is a wee bit surprising that "excess deaths" widely said at the beginning of this to be the best measure of fatalities in a pandemic have been negative for several months given that the impact on treatments for non-related illnesses must have resulted in more deaths than would otherwise have occurred.

[Taffin]

Are people banned from going to Manchester from Scotland? Or just to Scotland from Manchester?

 

[Konrad von Carstein]

What happened to all the posters who were vociferous in wanting us to be allowed to *ahem* "live our lives and open up" its funny now that some football fans adopted that attitude and had a jolly in London (I don't think they should have) they are just as vigorous in their condemnation of them as they were for opening up?

 

Its almost as if some folk just like a moan

🤔🙄

Edited June 24, 2021 by Konrad von Carstein

[Francis Albert]

It may in time deserve promotion but for the time being why not call it the third ripple? Or even first ripple.

[Francis Albert]

17 minutes ago, Taffin said:

Are people banned from going to Manchester from Scotland? Or just to Scotland from Manchester?

 

No one is banned from either in anything but political gesturing by the First Minister.

 

As for the London jaunt London residents may have more concern than people in Scotland given the higher numbers of cases in Scotland.

Edited June 24, 2021 by Francis Albert

[Shanks said no]

140,000 being allowed into Silverstone on 18th July for British GP

[Francis Albert]

3 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

 

If you get to 75 you've done not too bad in my book.

 

Suddenly it's tragic when old people die???

 

It's sad for the family but that's the way things work.

 

I am still in the "anything over three score years and ten sn't a bad result" school despite getting close to that number.  In wordwide terms it is of course a brilliant result.

But the deaths of 80, 90, even 100 year olds are now tragedies whatever the quality of life in the last few decades may have been.

Edited June 24, 2021 by Francis Albert

[redjambo]

12 minutes ago, The Frenchman Returns said:

140,000 being allowed into Silverstone on 18th July for British GP

 

There's no pretence now that we're not going for herd immunity by both infection and vaccination.

[theshed]

22 minutes ago, The Frenchman Returns said:

140,000 being allowed into Silverstone on 18th July for British GP

 

Quite unbelievable but happy at the same time 

[escobri]

Swiss football to full capacity in July, need a COVID test certificate for entry

[Shanks said no]

11 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

There's no pretence now that we're not going for herd immunity by both infection and vaccination.

Agree, it appears to be an extraordinarily risky strategy unless they are certain about their data

 

Just now, theshed said:

 

Quite unbelievable but happy at the same time 

Its some shift in a matter of days.

[Enzo Chiefo]

2 hours ago, Savage Vince said:

 

Just clarifying with you that it can spread in big outdoor fountains in London but not in restaurants in Edinburgh? Thanks 😁

I think there is a far higher risk in sharing a communal fountain in London than sitting in a restaurant in Edinburgh. Multiple times more. 

Of course, if you're double jabbed you don't have to worry about either situation. 👍

[Enzo Chiefo]

24 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

I am still in the "anything over three score years and ten sn't a bad result" school despite getting close to that number.  In wordwide terms it is of course a brilliant result.

But the deaths of 80, 90, even 100 year olds are now tragedies whatever the quality of life in the last few decades may have been.

And quite how these tragedies sit with the hospitals and doctors who actively encourage, and even impose, DNR notices on otherwise healthy patients, is not clear.

Not quite sure if the policy is to "save lives" or not. 

[Konrad von Carstein]

2 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

And quite how these tragedies sit with the hospitals and doctors who actively encourage, and even impose, DNR notices on otherwise healthy patients, is not clear.

Not quite sure if the policy is to "save lives" or not. 

 

Is this happening in the "UK" EC? 

 

I detest "with every fibre of my being" the Conservatives*, however, your last sentence, to quote Tom Hardy, "That's bait"...

 

 

*Bold assumption on my part that you mean government policy!

[Footballfirst]

Updated "Green" list. (I assume all 4 home nations will have the same list).

 

 

If the UK was really concerned about the spread of new variants, it should put itself on a red list and ban all external travel.

Edited June 24, 2021 by Footballfirst

[XB52]

3 hours ago, redjambo said:

 

It's not a genuine question at all, Ron. You know as well as I do that the precise details of the causes of deaths of individuals is not information that is released, and therefore my response that I don't know will prompt you to move on from your "People over 75 are expendable", through "They must all have underlying illnesses anyway" to "They've all died of other things, they just happen to have been infected with Covid at the same time". It's drearily predictable. Your mind has been made up before the arguing even begins and you'll come up with any argument you can in order to back up those opinions.

 

But who am I to stop you? I don't know the answer to your question.

Well said Red but sad that you have to say it

[XB52]

1 hour ago, SE16 3LN said:

More Nationalist rhetoric thrown about with no basis in fact. Everyone comes to the UK through Heathrow? 🤣 . What a parochial pile of shite. Other airports were available to bring the virus from Italian ski resorts in particular, through every part of the UK, including Edinburgh. 

 

The reason Nanny Nicola is fanning your racist and xenophobic hatred is because the Delta variant appeared early in her own back yard, her own constituency in fact, and she doesn't want her fan boys to see that. You're promoting destructive conspiracy theories to hide behind a far right Nationalist front. Clearly you've got a chip on your shoulder because deep down you know that multi cultural London exposes your narrow minded extremist views that don't have the science to back them up.

Just dropped in for my daily laugh at the britnats, thank you so much for one of the best 😁😁😁😁

[Gizmo]

6 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

Says the guy who uses italics to express his points , now that’s patronising 

As a mimicking reply to his condescending style, dingus. 

 

5 hours ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

 

same region doesn’t necessarily mean same group but you should understand that 

 

you were speaking in general terms when exposing James perceived lack of knowledge and have again made the foolhardy statement in absolute terms that more testing does not - well it absolutely can and I’m not saying it has I’m saying it can

 

turning something into a percentage doesn’t make everything fine from all angles which again I thought you would have understood

 

not happy about the ‘style’ of my reply have a look at yours to James

Keep trying to drag the goalposts about all you want, the point remains until time itself ends - you're the one trying to finesse an absolute statement. Dicking about with datasets will never change the raw data - there are X cases out there and no amount of testing will ever change that, and you know fine well that is what the point was. 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, Gizmo said:

As a mimicking reply to his condescending style, dingus. 

 

Keep trying to drag the goalposts about all you want, the point remains until time itself ends - you're the one trying to finesse an absolute statement. Dicking about with datasets will never change the raw data - there are X cases out there and no amount of testing will ever change that, and you know fine well that is what the point was. 

 

 

[Gizmo]

1 hour ago, SE16 3LN said:

More Nationalist rhetoric thrown about with no basis in fact. Everyone comes to the UK through Heathrow? 🤣 . What a parochial pile of shite. Other airports were available to bring the virus from Italian ski resorts in particular, through every part of the UK, including Edinburgh. 

 

The reason Nanny Nicola is fanning your racist and xenophobic hatred is because the Delta variant appeared early in her own back yard, her own constituency in fact, and she doesn't want her fan boys to see that. You're promoting destructive conspiracy theories to hide behind a far right Nationalist front. Clearly you've got a chip on your shoulder because deep down you know that multi cultural London exposes your narrow minded extremist views that don't have the science to back them up.

Ultimately, the blame lies with the selfish ***** who decided they didn't need to isolate. Since we know people won't behave then that's why we should have enforced much tougher regulations at the border. I believe only one govt had control of that domain...

[The Real Maroonblood]

9 minutes ago, XB52 said:

Just dropped in for my daily laugh at the britnats, thank you so much for one of the best 😁😁😁😁

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

55 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

As a mimicking reply to his condescending style, dingus. 

 

Keep trying to drag the goalposts about all you want, the point remains until time itself ends - you're the one trying to finesse an absolute statement. Dicking about with datasets will never change the raw data - there are X cases out there and no amount of testing will ever change that, and you know fine well that is what the point was. 

 

 

yes but is X in-line with what we’ve got already - it needs to be for your absolute statement to hold true and it may not necessarily will be

 

i understand that you don’t understand this

 

 

[Savage Vince]

4 hours ago, redjambo said:

 

It's not a genuine question at all, Ron. You know as well as I do that the precise details of the causes of deaths of individuals is not information that is released, and therefore my response that I don't know will prompt you to move on from your "People over 75 are expendable", through "They must all have underlying illnesses anyway" to "They've all died of other things, they just happen to have been infected with Covid at the same time". It's drearily predictable. Your mind has been made up before the arguing even begins and you'll come up with any argument you can in order to back up those opinions.

 

But who am I to stop you? I don't know the answer to your question.

 

A very good post.