Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, Lord BJ said:

In fairness they are provisional dates based on certain tasks being completed and data. 

Just like the 3 week “ circuit breaker “

last October 2020 ? 

[Gards]

3 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

I wonder if those who trot out the "...aaah but long Covid" line were/are as concerned about thousands that have suffered with ME, glandular fever or numerous other debilitating conditions that can last for weeks, months or years. Post-viral conditions are nothing new but giving it a label - all the rage these days are labels - has just fed exacerbated the national paranoia with Covid. 

You know you can do both - it doesn't have to be an either or....you can comment on the concern about long covid (which is quite new and relatively unknown for the future) AS WELL AS the other areas you mention which are just as tragic and cause suffering.

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, jonesy said:

Quite sure the BBC will run stories for years to come on Muslim transgender BAME folk with long covid.

😂😂😂

[Enzo Chiefo]

1 hour ago, jonesy said:

Quite sure the BBC will run stories for years to come on Muslim transgender BAME folk with long covid.

Yes, right up their street😂

[Enzo Chiefo]

31 minutes ago, Gards said:

You know you can do both - it doesn't have to be an either or....you can comment on the concern about long covid (which is quite new and relatively unknown for the future) AS WELL AS the other areas you mention which are just as tragic and cause suffering.

Yes, I agree but we DON'T hear anything about the other debilitating conditions. Just Covid, Covid, long Covid, Covid.....

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

Hold everything!

 

https://amp-news-com-au.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/indian-authorities-declare-delta-plus-mutation-as-new-coronavirus-variant-of-concern/news-story/70855d56ec3d10dccc61040fb34b3995?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a6&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#amp_tf=From %1%24s&aoh=16244029981314&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.news.com.au%2Fworld%2Fcoronavirus%2Fglobal%2Findian-authorities-declare-delta-plus-mutation-as-new-coronavirus-variant-of-concern%2Fnews-story%2F70855d56ec3d10dccc61040fb34b3995

[XB52]

Another few weeks and it should be over. Hopefully by the time our schools go back there will be no more disruption to classes and everyone can get back to almost normality. 

[theshed]

10 minutes ago, XB52 said:

Another few weeks and it should be over. Hopefully by the time our schools go back there will be no more disruption to classes and everyone can get back to almost normality. 

How are they going to approach schools regards Covid? 
As was said yesterday half the pupils are off due to Covid or isolating and those kids aren’t going to be vaccinated any time soon if ever 

 

Do we treat it like the cold shortly in schools and just let them get on with it🤷‍♀️

[JudyJudyJudy]

4 minutes ago, theshed said:

How are they going to approach schools regards Covid? 
As was said yesterday half the pupils are off due to Covid or isolating and those kids aren’t going to be vaccinated any time soon if ever 

 

Do we treat it like the cold shortly in schools and just let them get on with it🤷‍♀️

Yes to your last paragraph . 

[Ray Gin]

14 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

I wonder if those who trot out the "...aaah but long Covid" line were/are as concerned about thousands that have suffered with ME, glandular fever or numerous other debilitating conditions that can last for weeks, months or years. Post-viral conditions are nothing new but giving it a label - all the rage these days are labels - has just fed exacerbated the national paranoia with Covid. 

 

I'd be concerned if we had outbreaks of those as large as the numbers we are seeing for Covid. My brother had glandular fever and it looked horrendous. 

[XB52]

52 minutes ago, theshed said:

How are they going to approach schools regards Covid? 
As was said yesterday half the pupils are off due to Covid or isolating and those kids aren’t going to be vaccinated any time soon if ever 

 

Do we treat it like the cold shortly in schools and just let them get on with it🤷‍♀️

Once the vast majority of the adult population have been double dosed then we should be in a position to more or less ignore asymptomatic cases. Treat any kids that get ill but no more isolating a whole class. 

[Dazo]

1 hour ago, Lord BJ said:

Watching the BBC news this morning, it is interesting noting the change of tone from the docs they use. Their GP this morning was stating we need to stop fearing COVID and learn to live with it. They even advocating leaving asymptomatic children in school as the impact on them is so low 

 

It was very much we can’t live with unreasonable levels of fear around COVID, we have a vaccine and must trust the science. 
 

Also stated in England absence of school kids has trebled in the last week due to COVID cases and isolations, 

The reporting of this has to change and it has to start at government level. As long as hospitals are easily coping like they are currently and we continue to batter through the vaccination program the daily obsession with cases needs to stop.  The schools are a shambles, people’s life’s are a mess with track n trace isolation. life has to return to this new normal. 

Edited June 23, 2021 by Dazo

[Jambo-Jimbo]

14 minutes ago, Dazo said:

The reporting of this has to change and it has to start at government level. As long as hospitals are easily coping like they are currently and we continue to batter through the vaccination program the daily obsession with cases needs to stop.  The schools are a shambles, people’s life’s are a mess with track n trace isolation. life has to return to this new normal. 

 

And the media, Sky News was banging on about yet another new variant this morning the 'Delta Plus' variant, which they said is even more transmissible than the Delta variant.  Now how they can say that it's more transmissible is beyond me, especially when there is only 22 reported cases of it in India thus far.

 

 

 

[Enzo Chiefo]

1 hour ago, Ray Gin said:

 

I'd be concerned if we had outbreaks of those as large as the numbers we are seeing for Covid. My brother had glandular fever and it looked horrendous. 

I had glandular fever as a 13 yr old, so I can empathise with your brother.

[mrmarkus1981]

I also had it when i was 13/14, was horrific

[Bindy Badgy]

6 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Now how they can say that it's more transmissible is beyond me, especially when there is only 22 reported cases of it in India thus far.

 

 

Genetic analysis seems likely.

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01390-4

 

Quote

“I look at individual mutations because they each have individual properties that we think might confer higher transmissibility,” says Julian Tang, a consultant virologist at the Leicester Royal Infirmary, UK. Increased transmissibility — a measure of how quickly variants can spread from person to person — could accelerate outbreaks, which could put more pressure on health-care systems and counter-measures such as vaccination programmes. For example, the B.1.617.2 variant has mutations called 452R and 478K, which Tang says are both linked to increased transmissibility. Both mutations alter the spike protein, which the virus uses to enter human cells.

 

Researchers have also been able to rapidly track the spread of B.1.617.2 because its genome contains a marker that the dominant B.1.1.7 variant lacks. The presence of this marker — known as the ‘S gene target’ — can be seen in the results of some of the PCR tests used to confirm cases of COVID-19, so researchers can use positive S-target hits as a proxy to quickly map the spread of B.1.617.2, without needing to sequence samples fully. Both S-gene tests and more detailed sequencing data from UK virus samples indicate that B.1.617.2 is outcompeting the two other B.1.617 subtypes, and replacing B.1.1.7 — a variant identified in southeast England in late 2020 — as the most common variant driving new infections in the country.

 

This is the first link that comes up when I type "how do scientists work out how transmissible a disease variant is" into Google.

[Savage Vince]

12 hours ago, jonesy said:

Quite sure the BBC will run stories for years to come on Muslim transgender BAME folk with long covid.

 

Sad. 

[Dazo]

28 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Yes, think your right and think that’s what we’re beginning to see. The U.K. govts, especially the likes of Whitty, have been very much about us having to learn to live with it and that means consequences which are avoidable to return to life. 
 

The message from the fish at FMQ was very much a focus of we need to return to normal and when vaccine reach x level that triggers to easing of restrictions. 
 

Fundamentally, I think they are the stages where restrictions are much more damaging to a largely vaccinated/unaffected population. That seems to be reflected in their communications now and ability to accept certain consequences. 

 

The schools are a shambles and the govts need a plan around maintaining education in the new normal. Isolating whole, classes, year groups every time there is a positive test isn’t practicable. Not only does it impact their education but it has a larger impact on the economic recovery. 
 

Thankfully, the finishing line is in sight. 
 

if you don’t mind me asking did your daughter get vaccinated? 

 

Yep agree with all of that. It was especially good to here a change of direction in the way Nicola was talking  of living with this 

 

Yes she had her first 2 or 3 weeks ago. The virus seems rife among the kids at the moment and felt the known risk of the vaccine outweighed the potential risk if she caught covid. I couldn’t live with myself if we didn’t do anything to be honest but above that she wanted to take the vaccine so a fairly straightforward decision. 

Edited June 23, 2021 by Dazo

[Jambo-Jimbo]

4 minutes ago, Bindy Badgy said:

 

Genetic analysis seems likely.

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01390-4

 

 

This is the first link that comes up when I type "how do scientists work out how transmissible a disease variant is" into Google.

 

It now appears that this new 'Delta Plus' variant has been around for some time as it's been identified in at least 9 countries including the UK and is also known as the AY.1 variant.  This information wasn't contained in the Sky News report on it, in their report it came over as this was a newly discovered variant and they didn't mention anything about it being outside of India.

 

The BBC report contains much more information than Sky News was reporting.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-57564560

[Dazo]

1 minute ago, Lord BJ said:

Ahh good news, glad all sorted 👍

Are you in a position where you have that decision to make yet ? It was easier to be honest when under 18’s weren’t a consideration. 

[SectionDJambo]

29 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

I haven’t been in a boozer just for drinks yet, are we still needing to book. 
 

Out for lunch on Saturday and was planning a few drinks after, will I need to book something or can we just play by ear. 

You need to book to be certain of getting in. You can, however, just roll up and take a chance on the pub not being full. You'll have to register as having been in the pub either way, which is simple using a smartphone.

[Dazo]

2 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

My daughter is 14, so approval isn’t granted for that age group yet. We’ve already had the conversation with her specialist and told she will be priority group for the under 16’s when/if approved.

 

We’ll go with what the specialist recommendation, so she’ll be getting it. She at that age where she gets a bunch of vaccines, albeit some of them delayed, due to COVID so what’s another jab that protects her 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

Getting stage where just want her to get it, for similar reasons to yourself. 

Yeah the not knowing wasn’t great. Hope it all works out for the best. 👍

[jack D and coke]

20 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

Yep ! I think she was flabbergasted by Andy Burnhams response to it ! He didn’t pull any punches . She must have thought she was dealing with her colleagues in the shortbread senate 

Really? Andy Burnham is going for the Labour leadership here and is trying to tell us what’s what. No wonder Labour are broon breed here now. 
The BBC actually found someone in Manchester who wanted to come north to scatter ashes too. Or made them up. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, Dazo said:

The reporting of this has to change and it has to start at government level. As long as hospitals are easily coping like they are currently and we continue to batter through the vaccination program the daily obsession with cases needs to stop.  The schools are a shambles, people’s life’s are a mess with track n trace isolation. life has to return to this new normal. 

What happened to track and trace ? Never hear about it now . 

1 hour ago, Lord BJ said:

Yes, think your right and think that’s what we’re beginning to see. The U.K. govts, especially the likes of Whitty, have been very much about us having to learn to live with it and that means consequences which are avoidable to return to life. 
 

The message from the fish at FMQ was very much a focus of we need to return to normal and when vaccine reach x level that triggers to easing of restrictions. 
 

Fundamentally, I think they are the stages where restrictions are much more damaging to a largely vaccinated/unaffected population. That seems to be reflected in their communications now and ability to accept certain consequences. 

 

The schools are a shambles and the govts need a plan around maintaining education in the new normal. Isolating whole, classes, year groups every time there is a positive test isn’t practicable. Not only does it impact their education but it has a larger impact on the economic recovery. 
 

Thankfully, the finishing line is in sight. 
 

if you don’t mind me asking did your daughter get vaccinated? 

Yes even I was pleasantly surprised about her tone yesterday . I still wish they would just make a real statement saying that no matter what there will be no more full Lockdowns ? I know nothing is ever certain but surely they recognise that the vaccines are working therefore there will be no real pressure on the nhs and sadly we need to just be honest and recognise a certain level of deaths will have to be accepted , as the longer term damage of lockdowns are far more concerning . We have still to see this in the next few years sadly . 

33 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

My daughter is 14, so approval isn’t granted for that age group yet. We’ve already had the conversation with her specialist and told she will be priority group for the under 16’s when/if approved.

 

We’ll go with what the specialist recommendation, so she’ll be getting it. She at that age where she gets a bunch of vaccines, albeit some of them delayed, due to COVID so what’s another jab that protects her 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

Getting stage where just want her to get it, for similar reasons to yourself. 

👍

[The Real Maroonblood]

48 minutes ago, SectionDJambo said:

You need to book to be certain of getting in. You can, however, just roll up and take a chance on the pub not being full. You'll have to register as having been in the pub either way, which is simple using a smartphone.

Spot on.

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, jack D and coke said:

Really? Andy Burnham is going for the Labour leadership here and is trying to tell us what’s what. No wonder Labour are broon breed here now. 
The BBC actually found someone in Manchester who wanted to come north to scatter ashes too. Or made them up. 

I never said I supported him ! I just admire his response to NS . I can’t stand most politicians apart from the real old school ones I admired . Men and women with principles likes Michael Foot , Tony Benn , Dennis Skinner and Jeremy Corbyn . All Labour . Old Labour . Used to admire Salmond when I was a fervent Nat supporter but went off him with all the sleaze stuff . On the American front never could stand Obama or Hilary sorry Kilary Clinton , both war mongerers and rabid Zionists . I liked old Bernie Sanders . A terrific guy 

[The Real Maroonblood]

6 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Really? Andy Burnham is going for the Labour leadership here and is trying to tell us what’s what. No wonder Labour are broon breed here now. 
The BBC actually found someone in Manchester who wanted to come north to scatter ashes too. Or made them up. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

41 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Cheers, I’ll just book somewhere to avoid having to piss about finding somewhere. 

Still walk ins in plenty pubs but maybe still all busy due to Euros but less busy now I’m guessing after last night 😮

[Gizmo]

5 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

 

Ad hominem 

 

Someone's voting record clearly displaying their political outlook isn't an ad hom.   

[jack D and coke]

21 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

 

Edited June 23, 2021 by jack D and coke

[Enzo Chiefo]

1 hour ago, mrmarkus1981 said:

I also had it when i was 13/14, was horrific

Yes, it was. Apparently it stays in your system and lies dormant. As long as it stays like that😂

[JudyJudyJudy]

Oh well sorry to be the barer of bad news ! “ Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water “ and all 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/23/nhs-alarm-rise-number-uk-covid-patients-ventilators?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1624439087

[Don Dan]

36 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

What happened to track and trace ? Never hear about it now . 

It got lost!

[JudyJudyJudy]

4 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

It got lost!

😂 it seems so . Even when I’ve been in some places they don’t ask you to or check you have . But I suppose it’s one of those things which will end in due course and quite rightly too 

[JudyJudyJudy]

What’s the script about self isolation if you test positive ? Do you self isolate for 10 days after the test or from when you had symptoms ? My friend had his symptoms last Monday / Tuesday . I think it’s from when you had symptoms so his 10 days are over by Friday ? He’s not online so not sure 

[jack D and coke]

41 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

I never said I supported him ! I just admire his response to NS . I can’t stand most politicians apart from the real old school ones I admired . Men and women with principles likes Michael Foot , Tony Benn , Dennis Skinner and Jeremy Corbyn . All Labour . Old Labour . Used to admire Salmond when I was a fervent Nat supporter but went off him with all the sleaze stuff . On the American front never could stand Obama or Hilary sorry Kilary Clinton , both war mongerers and rabid Zionists . I liked old Bernie Sanders . A terrific guy 

So the mayor of Manchester wasn’t playing a game here you don’t think? He most definitely is. Imo anyway. You can’t really ban anyone from doing anything but maybe it’s to make people aware of the infection rates in that area. If you had to travel there what is to stop you? Or vice versa? Idiots like Murdo Fraser who is rejected time and again at the polls but gets airtime to gob off
I never asked about all the rest but fair enough. And really what was the shortbread senate thing all about? Just to get kickback points from enzo?  
 

[highlandjambo3]

Took a couple out on a guided tour yesterday……picked them up, cleaned bags, masks on, gave them complimentary mini hand sanitiser and face masks.  After about 10 minutes in the car we decided that we were comfortable not wearing masks, we all had 2 jabs and, it’s a fairly large car so the two back seats are quite far behind me……………..felt like a bit of back to normality.

 

Went up Applecross then through torridon……they were desperate to see a stag and guess what, at the foot of Ben Eighe there is a small car park the walkers use and, there is often a stag lurking around waiting for a feed….guess what, there is a picture I took of the fella below, he was not scared in the slightest.  I was about 3 meters from him…….great day.

 

[SE16 3LN]

51 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Really? Andy Burnham is going for the Labour leadership here and is trying to tell us what’s what. No wonder Labour are broon breed here now. 
The BBC actually found someone in Manchester who wanted to come north to scatter ashes too. Or made them up. 

Just a reminder that Nicola Sturgeon banned all non essential travel to and from parts of Greater Manchester on a day that Scotland had the highest infection rates in Europe and 40000 drunk Scots descended on London. She's a Xenophobic Hypocrite with the morals of a sewer rat. She's shitting all over the Scottish flag shaggers and you're gobbling it up. As the infection rates in London increase in the coming days and weeks, and among the Celtic Covid carriers and their friends and family, it will of course be all Westminster's fault. What a bunch of ****ing morons.

[JudyJudyJudy]

10 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

So the mayor of Manchester wasn’t playing a game here you don’t think? He most definitely is. Imo anyway. You can’t really ban anyone from doing anything but maybe it’s to make people aware of the infection rates in that area. If you had to travel there what is to stop you? Or vice versa? Idiots like Murdo Fraser who is rejected time and again at the polls but gets airtime to gob off
I never asked about all the rest but fair enough. And really what was the shortbread senate thing all about? Just to get kickback points from enzo?  
 

Yes I shouldn’t have said that comment about shortbread it was not like me really as I’m fully supportive of the Scottish Parliament . I just had the usual anxiety when NS does her 3 weekly briefing . I was pleasantly surprised though and almost complimentary . Well Andy was playing politics as they all do

[manaliveits105]

Hopefully no face masks outside here in Spain from this weekend - not that many people are adhering now they just put them on properly when going into shops or until they sit at bar/ restaurant tables 

you can even dance now with a mask on - beaches busy but socially distanced  - water warm - beer cold - live music 

lack of brits a bonus and compensated by the Scandies ❤️

[JudyJudyJudy]

17 minutes ago, highlandjambo3 said:

Took a couple out on a guided tour yesterday……picked them up, cleaned bags, masks on, gave them complimentary mini hand sanitiser and face masks.  After about 10 minutes in the car we decided that we were comfortable not wearing masks, we all had 2 jabs and, it’s a fairly large car so the two back seats are quite far behind me……………..felt like a bit of back to normality.

 

Went up Applecross then through torridon……they were desperate to see a stag and guess what, at the foot of Ben Eighe there is a small car park the walkers use and, there is often a stag lurking around waiting for a feed….guess what, there is a picture I took of the fella below, he was not scared in the slightest.  I was about 3 meters from him…….great day.

 

👍👍👍

[jack D and coke]

14 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said:

Just a reminder that Nicola Sturgeon banned all non essential travel to and from parts of Greater Manchester on a day that Scotland had the highest infection rates in Europe and 40000 drunk Scots descended on London. She's a Xenophobic Hypocrite with the morals of a sewer rat. She's shitting all over the Scottish flag shaggers and you're gobbling it up. As the infection rates in London increase in the coming days and weeks, and among the Celtic Covid carriers and their friends and family, it will of course be all Westminster's fault. What a bunch of ****ing morons.

 

17 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said:

Just a reminder that Nicola Sturgeon banned all non essential travel to and from parts of Greater Manchester on a day that Scotland had the highest infection rates in Europe and 40000 drunk Scots descended on London. She's a Xenophobic Hypocrite with the morals of a sewer rat. She's shitting all over the Scottish flag shaggers and you're gobbling it up. As the infection rates in London increase in the coming days and weeks, and among the Celtic Covid carriers and their friends and family, it will of course be all Westminster's fault. What a bunch of ****ing morons.

You could say all that in reverse to the WM govt. 

Top rant tho👍🏼

[Francis Albert]

1 hour ago, SE16 3LN said:

Just a reminder that Nicola Sturgeon banned all non essential travel to and from parts of Greater Manchester on a day that Scotland had the highest infection rates in Europe and 40000 drunk Scots descended on London. She's a Xenophobic Hypocrite with the morals of a sewer rat. She's shitting all over the Scottish flag shaggers and you're gobbling it up. As the infection rates in London increase in the coming days and weeks, and among the Celtic Covid carriers and their friends and family, it will of course be all Westminster's fault. What a bunch of ****ing morons.

How did she intend to enforce this travel ban? 

Wasn't just more gesture politics was it?

[Francis Albert]

2 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

Oh well sorry to be the barer of bad news ! “ Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water “ and all 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/23/nhs-alarm-rise-number-uk-covid-patients-ventilators?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1624439087

Flu and pneumonia currently killing ten times as many as Covid, presumably with a proportionately greater  pressure on the NHS.

[felix]

2 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

What’s the script about self isolation if you test positive ? Do you self isolate for 10 days after the test or from when you had symptoms ? My friend had his symptoms last Monday / Tuesday . I think it’s from when you had symptoms so his 10 days are over by Friday ? He’s not online so not sure 

 

Isolation's from the day your symptoms started + 9 days after.

It's the same for those you live with .  Slightly longer period if in a care home.

[Victorian]

Add rank stupidity to the list of long covid symptoms because there seems to be a ****ing epidemic of it.  I've never seen such a time when so many people have got their heads up their arse.  Outstanding stuff.  

 

Help.

[Victorian]

A guy in my work seems to be on the verge of isolating depending on test results.  He's a chancing ***** who was talking about trying to milk a bit more time off.  He's had every one of his annual leave holidays over the last year and a half.  I've not had a single day for 20 months.   If this ***** off for another 10 days I think I'll be jacking it in. 

 

[SE16 3LN]

40 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

How did she intend to enforce this travel ban? 

Wasn't just more gesture politics was it?

Of course it was gesture politics, Nanny Nicola was Lap Dancing for the Nationalist party Zealots. They love it.

[JudyJudyJudy]

46 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

How did she intend to enforce this travel ban? 

Wasn't just more gesture politics was it?

I always thoughts rules / laws / regulations were only passed if enforceable ? Therefore as you said gesture politics 

41 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

Flu and pneumonia currently killing ten times as many as Covid, presumably with a proportionately greater  pressure on the NHS.

Yep 

13 minutes ago, felix said:

 

Isolation's from the day your symptoms started + 9 days after.

It's the same for those you live with .  Slightly longer period if in a care home.

Thank you . That’s what I thought . I’ll let him know . 

[Nookie Bear]

2 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

 

You could say all that in reverse to the WM govt. 

Top rant tho👍🏼

 

Difference is that the WM giovernment is having to justify their actions at an enquiry while Sturgeon is being lauded for her handling of the pandemic.