Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[redjambo]

Scottish numbers: 14 April 2021

Summary

• 278 new cases of COVID-19 reported [+57; down from 289 a week ago]
• 24,794 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results – 1.3% of these were positive [+9,440; -0.3%]
• 3 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [=]
• 20 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [=]
• 119 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-14]
• 2,694,971* people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 634,422* have received their second dose [+12,265; +29,296]

*Please note that today’s vaccination figures include a backlog of GP system data that was not included in yesterday's totals. This includes 886 records from the 11th of April and around 5,700 from the days prior to the 11th.

[Pasquale for King]

2 minutes ago, LMc said:

 

Tbf the headline once again seems to go completely against what was actually in the article.

 

What he said was that there may be an uptick in infections over the winter but nothing like last winter and we'll just have to live with it 

 

THIRD WAVE PREDICTED OVER WINTER 🙄 

 

The media do my nut in.

There’s third waves all over Europe so it’s likely to happen. 
The good thing is if the majority are vaccinated cases will rise but deaths will be far lower so as you say we will have to live with it. 
 

[Jamboross]

18 minutes ago, heartstastic said:

So from the request i asked for someone (because i've looked myself and cannot find it..) no one can produce evidence of isolated purified samples of the virus everyone's losing there shit over (very important if you stop to think about it)....and instead offer up ad hominem hit piece's from 'fact checkers' (note ANYONE can be a fact checker)....some of you are so brainwashed by the official narrative i'll leave you to it..lol

 

You can't have looked very hard. 

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7045880/

 

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/6/20-0516_article

 

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.23.056309v1

[Taffin]

29 minutes ago, gjcc said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55602007

 

Bit worrying. 

 

I wonder if deaths of people who've been vaccinated are recorded as 'with' vaccine?

[heartstastic]

4 minutes ago, Jamboross said:

 

You can't have looked very hard. 

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7045880/

 

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/6/20-0516_article

 

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.23.056309v1

These are all cell cultures....produced in a petri dish along with other things in there. This is not isolation as defined by  Koch's postulates. There is no pure isolation of the virus.

[redjambo]

Today's 7-day case stats around the councils:

 

(7-day per-100,000 cases)		Pre-
Council Area	Tier	Lockdown	Today	Yesterday			...	8 Apr	...	1 Apr
Scotland			34	35	-1		...	42	...	59
Clackmannanshire	4	3	70	87	-17		...	157	...	233
North Lanarkshire	4	3	61	62	-1		...	75	...	117
Renfrewshire	4	3	60	60	0		...	70	...	103
Glasgow City	4	3	59	59	0		...	71	...	81
Moray	4	1	52	48	+4		...	33	...	56
Fife	4	3	49	45	+4		...	56	...	42
West Lothian	4	3	49	53	-4		...	81	...	129
Falkirk	4	2	48	47	+1		...	49	...	90
East Renfrewshire	4	3	43	42	+1		...	42	...	45
Bonnie Dundee	4	3	42	38	+4		...	41	...	64
Stirling	4	3	42	38	+4		...	52	...	58
South Lanarkshire	4	3	40	42	-2		...	37	...	62
Aberdeen City	4	3	32	32	0		...	22	...	44
East Ayrshire	4	3	29	34	-5		...	56	...	72
West Dunbartonshire	4	3	24	27	-3		...	26	...	66
Perth & Kinross	4	3	22	21	+1		...	37	...	36
North Ayrshire	4	3	21	19	+2		...	20	...	71
Edinburgh City	4	3	19	20	-1		...	26	...	50
East Dunbartonshire	4	3	19	25	-6		...	38	...	56
Aberdeenshire	4	3	18	19	-1		...	25	...	28
Inverclyde	4	2	18	18	0		...	10	...	21
Highland	4/3	1	13	10	+3		...	19	...	7
Shetland Islands	3	1	13	13	0		...	0	...	9
South Ayrshire	4	3	12	12	0		...	17	...	19
East Lothian	4	3	11	16	-5		...	47	...	37
Angus	4	2	10	13	-3		...	35	...	42
Midlothian	4	3	9	9	0		...	18	...	57
Argyll & Bute	4/3	2	7	8	-1		...	9	...	7
Dumfries & Galloway	4	1	4	3	+1		...	0	...	5
Scottish Borders	4	1	3	3	0		...	3	...	11
Na h-Eileanan Siar	3	1	0	0	0		...	0	...	0
Orkney Islands	3	1	0	0	0		...	0	...	0

 

[Victorian]

Vaccine vs variants should maybe be viewed as a race of sorts.  Basically a case of keeping variants down to as low a level as possible while vaccine 1.0 is being completed and to enable a decent amount of freedom and also to await vaccine 2.0 to come along to deal with the variants.  

 

We don't need to be in lockdown while this progresses.  But we can't **** up and cause a lockdown.  We **** up now and we could end up in a long term cycle of them.

[redjambo]

And the national stats. Nice drop in hospitalisations for the second day running. 7-day vaccination figures will no doubt be a bit askew for a few days due to the GP reporting issue.

 

			Today	Yesterday			12 Apr	11 Apr	10 Apr	9 Apr	8 Apr	...	1 Apr
Scotland (7-day per-100,000 cases)			34	35	-1		35	36	38	40	42	...	59
7-day averages
Tests			19335	18949	+386		18794	19019	18769	18680	19123	...	21722
Positivity rate %			1.6	1.6	0.0		1.7	1.7	1.8	1.9	2.0	...	2.4
Deaths			2	3	-1		2	2	2	2	1	...	5
All Vaccinations			36603	35176	+1427		33892	31651	32056	31443	30974	...	49063
1st Dose			14434	14984	-550		14778	14820	15376	15690	16501	...	29659
2nd Dose			22169	20192	+1977		19114	16831	16680	15753	14473	...	19404
Daily data
Hospital (non-ICU)			99	113	-14		133	N/A	N/A	148	153	...	194
ICU			20	20	0		21	N/A	N/A	20	21	...	21

[The Real Maroonblood]

10 minutes ago, redjambo said:

Today's 7-day case stats around the councils:

 

(7-day per-100,000 cases)		Pre-
Council Area	Tier	Lockdown	Today	Yesterday			...	8 Apr	...	1 Apr
Scotland			34	35	-1		...	42	...	59
Clackmannanshire	4	3	70	87	-17		...	157	...	233
North Lanarkshire	4	3	61	62	-1		...	75	...	117
Renfrewshire	4	3	60	60	0		...	70	...	103
Glasgow City	4	3	59	59	0		...	71	...	81
Moray	4	1	52	48	+4		...	33	...	56
Fife	4	3	49	45	+4		...	56	...	42
West Lothian	4	3	49	53	-4		...	81	...	129
Falkirk	4	2	48	47	+1		...	49	...	90
East Renfrewshire	4	3	43	42	+1		...	42	...	45
Bonnie Dundee	4	3	42	38	+4		...	41	...	64
Stirling	4	3	42	38	+4		...	52	...	58
South Lanarkshire	4	3	40	42	-2		...	37	...	62
Aberdeen City	4	3	32	32	0		...	22	...	44
East Ayrshire	4	3	29	34	-5		...	56	...	72
West Dunbartonshire	4	3	24	27	-3		...	26	...	66
Perth & Kinross	4	3	22	21	+1		...	37	...	36
North Ayrshire	4	3	21	19	+2		...	20	...	71
Edinburgh City	4	3	19	20	-1		...	26	...	50
East Dunbartonshire	4	3	19	25	-6		...	38	...	56
Aberdeenshire	4	3	18	19	-1		...	25	...	28
Inverclyde	4	2	18	18	0		...	10	...	21
Highland	4/3	1	13	10	+3		...	19	...	7
Shetland Islands	3	1	13	13	0		...	0	...	9
South Ayrshire	4	3	12	12	0		...	17	...	19
East Lothian	4	3	11	16	-5		...	47	...	37
Angus	4	2	10	13	-3		...	35	...	42
Midlothian	4	3	9	9	0		...	18	...	57
Argyll & Bute	4/3	2	7	8	-1		...	9	...	7
Dumfries & Galloway	4	1	4	3	+1		...	0	...	5
Scottish Borders	4	1	3	3	0		...	3	...	11
Na h-Eileanan Siar	3	1	0	0	0		...	0	...	0
Orkney Islands	3	1	0	0	0		...	0	...	0

 

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[Jamboross]

12 minutes ago, heartstastic said:

These are all cell cultures....produced in a petri dish along with other things in there. This is not isolation as defined by  Koch's postulates. There is no pure isolation of the virus.

 Koch's postulates were written in 1884, 10-15 years before we even knew viruses existed. They are of more importance to bacterial infections and have, at best, limited relevance to viruses. 

 

‘It is unfortunate that so many workers blindly followed the rules, because Koch himself quickly realized that in certain instances all the conditions could not be met. . . . Thus, in regard to certain diseases, particularly those caused by viruses, the blind adherence to Koch’s postulates may act as a hindrance instead of an aid.’’

 

Thomas Milton Rivers - the 'father of virology'. 

 

 

Edited April 14, 2021 by Jamboross

[heartstastic]

16 minutes ago, Jamboross said:

 Koch's postulates were written in 1884, 10-15 years before we even knew viruses existed. They are of more importance to bacterial infections and have, at best, limited relevance to viruses. 

 

‘It is unfortunate that so many workers blindly followed the rules, because Koch himself quickly realized that in certain instances all the conditions could not be met. . . . Thus, in regard to certain diseases, particularly those caused by viruses, the blind adherence to Koch’s postulates may act as a hindrance instead of an aid.’’

 

Thomas Milton Rivers - the 'father of virology'. 

 

 

Point still stands...cell cultured experiments do not stand as virus isolation when there's is other things in there and they haven't as still isolated 100% pure sample....from your first link.

 

Results

The virus replicated in Vero cells and cytopathic effects were observed. Full genome sequencing showed that the virus genome exhibited sequence homology of more than 99.9% with SARS-CoV-2 which was isolated from patients from other countries, for instance China. Sequence homology of SARS-CoV-2 with SARS-CoV, and MERS-CoV was 77.5% and 50%, respectively. Coronavirus-specific morphology was observed by electron microscopy in virus-infected Vero cells.

99.9% similar is not a match...especially when it comes to cellular and dna identification.

 

Koch's postulates is basically..get a sample from an infected human being....isolate the thing you think is causing the infection...put that isolated purified single thing into a healthly human...not a frankenstien labrortory rat that has been injected with human cells....and then if that person has the same symptoms as the infected person then it reasonable to assume that it was the isolated thing that caused it...seems pretty reasonable but has never been done or proven.

Edited April 14, 2021 by heartstastic

[Footballfirst]

Here's an indication of how each Local Authority has progressed in terms of the WHO criteria for case numbers and positivity rates over the last 4 weeks (14 Mar to 11 Apr).

 

 

Edited April 14, 2021 by Footballfirst

[The Real Maroonblood]

6 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Here's an indication of how each Local Authority has progressed in terms of the WHO criteria for case numbers and positivity rates over the last 4 weeks (14 Mar to 11 Apr).

 

 

Thanks for that. 

[Footballfirst]

6 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Thanks for that. 

I've updated the original post as a couple of cells were incorrectly coloured.

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 minute ago, Footballfirst said:

I've updated the original post as a couple of cells were incorrectly coloured.

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[Enzo Chiefo]

32 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Vaccine vs variants should maybe be viewed as a race of sorts.  Basically a case of keeping variants down to as low a level as possible while vaccine 1.0 is being completed and to enable a decent amount of freedom and also to await vaccine 2.0 to come along to deal with the variants.  

 

We don't need to be in lockdown while this progresses.  But we can't **** up and cause a lockdown.  We **** up now and we could end up in a long term cycle of them.

The "variants" argument is all about fears and assumptions.  We've heard it said about Kent, SA, Brazil etc. They don't actually know whether any will actually evade the vaccine response, it's still not proven. Anyway, antibodies are not the only immune defence against the virus.  

Analogies about "races against vaccines/variants" are not helpful and I think the country, the people,  the economy would benefit from less of a running commentary and daily case updates about Covid. As the vaccine programme continues and lockdown eases, confidence would be restored by punting scientists and politicians into the background to monitor, sample and test as they wish. We know that viruses vary and of course they should monitor them but we also know that they usually mutate away to a weaker version of their former self

[Don Dan]

In the mean time many thanks to @redjambo and @Footballfirst for the work they do keeping updated with the stats I personally would be lost with out their work. 👍👍

[The Real Maroonblood]

7 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

In the mean time many thanks to @redjambo and @Footballfirst for the work they do keeping updated with the stats I personally would be lost with out their work. 👍👍

This.

[Nookie Bear]

2 hours ago, heartstastic said:

If any of you are on Telegram there are now countless groups of vaccine adverse reaction groups (you'll not see them getting reported on the likes of the bbc that's for sure) showing some horrific outcomes of these things. Some may be ok that have it but it is disengenious to say that these things are extremely safe..when there is significant mounting evidence to say there not.

Chances of dying under general anaesthetic for a routine operation are 1 in 100,000

 

Quite why everyone is fixated on something so unlikely is utterly bonkers and strikes me as media led to stir up negativity around vaccines, which have been a success. 
 

Apologies if already covered!

[Victorian]

Model of efficiency at EICC.  In, chipped, oot and half way home and it's still 15 mins before my appointment time. 

 

Edited April 14, 2021 by Victorian

[ri Alban]

11 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

Chances of dying under general anaesthetic for a routine operation are 1 in 100,000

 

Quite why everyone is fixated on something so unlikely is utterly bonkers and strikes me as media led to stir up negativity around vaccines, which have been a success. 
 

Apologies if already covered!

Yes they've been successful roll out. But the proof is in the pudding.

Let's see what happens post lock down, before we get the bunting out. 🤞

Edited April 14, 2021 by ri Alban

[milky_26]

14 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Model of efficiency at EICC.  In, chipped, oot and half way home and it's still 15 mins before my appointment time. 

 

confirming efficiency is the first test they do to check the chip is working correctly

[heartstastic]

29 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

Chances of dying under general anaesthetic for a routine operation are 1 in 100,000

 

Quite why everyone is fixated on something so unlikely is utterly bonkers and strikes me as media led to stir up negativity around vaccines, which have been a success. 
 

Apologies if already covered!

Safe as houses Nookie

 

It's also estimated that only 10% reactions are reported to this system as many aren't even aware it exists.

 

Edited April 14, 2021 by heartstastic

[Gizmo]

3 hours ago, heartstastic said:

So from the request i asked for someone (because i've looked myself and cannot find it..) no one can produce evidence of isolated purified samples of the virus everyone's losing there shit over (very important if you stop to think about it)....and instead offer up ad hominem hit piece's from 'fact checkers' (note ANYONE can be a fact checker)....some of you are so brainwashed by the official narrative i'll leave you to it..lol

You asked what was in the vaccines, which I produced. Stop moving the goalposts.

Also I said she made bogus claims, an ad hominem would have attacked the person, not her message. 

Anything else you need clarified..lol

 

[Governor Tarkin]

Have we got some real medical experts giving us the low-down here, or paranoid stoners with a keen interest?

[Tazio]

14 minutes ago, heartstastic said:

Safe as houses Nookie

 

It's also estimated that only 10% reactions are reported to this system as many aren't even aware it exists.

 

Is that really claiming close to 600 people have been killed by the vaccine? 

[Nookie Bear]

34 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Yes they've been successful roll out. But the proof is in the pudding.

Let's see what happens post lock down, before we get the bunting out. 🤞

No bunting but I assume we are pausing Caesarean sections until we can make them 100% safe?

 

Its ridiculous. 

[Gizmo]

3 hours ago, heartstastic said:

If any of you are on Telegram there are now countless groups of vaccine adverse reaction groups (you'll not see them getting reported on the likes of the bbc that's for sure) showing some horrific outcomes of these things. Some may be ok that have it but it is disengenious to say that these things are extremely safe..when there is significant mounting evidence to say there not.

Do you check the veracity of these claims - I doubt it. Do these claims match the reported adverse effects database? If there is significant evidence it absolutely would have escaped the confines of the lunatics on social media.  
 

2 hours ago, heartstastic said:

These are all cell cultures....produced in a petri dish along with other things in there. This is not isolation as defined by  Koch's postulates. There is no pure isolation of the virus.

Kochs Postulates relates to BACTERIA not viruses and were recognized by Koch himself as limited. This is a long standing deliberate obfuscation of the intent of Koch's Postulates - often peddled by evolution deniers trying to undermine germ theory as part of their zealous drive to establish biblical history as fact. 

To quote, from Thomas Rivers (an early virologist):
 

Quote

‘‘It is unfortunate that so many workers blindly followed the rules, because Koch himself quickly realized that in certain instances all the conditions could not be met. . . . Thus, in regard to certain diseases, particularly those caused by viruses, the blind adherence to Koch’s postulates may act as a hindrance instead of an aid.’’

Considering we have the entire genetic sequence for SARS-CoV-2 and had it very quickly, what relevance is Koch's Postulates? Answer - none whatsoever. 

Forget the first question - there is absolutely no chance at all you do any checking of any sources whatsoever. 

Edited April 14, 2021 by Gizmo
following up post

[ri Alban]

3 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

No bunting but I assume we are pausing Caesarean sections until we can make them 100% safe?

 

Its ridiculous. 

Didn’t realise we all could catch caesareans and pass it on. Ma bad. 

[heartstastic]

10 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

Do you check the veracity of these claims - I doubt it. Do these claims match the reported adverse effects database? If there is significant evidence it absolutely would have escaped the confines of the lunatics on social media.  
 

Kochs Postulates relates to BACTERIA not viruses and were recognized by Koch himself as limited. This is a long standing deliberate obfuscation of the intent of Koch's Postulates - often peddled by evolution deniers trying to undermine germ theory as part of their zealous drive to establish biblical history as fact. 

To quote, from Thomas Rivers (an early virologist):
 

Forget the first question - there is absolutely no chance at all you do any checking of any sources whatsoever. 
 

If Koch postulates is not the way to define virus identification...could you point me to what the method is. I'd be interested in checking it out for myself as i can't find any info on it and you seem VERY knowledgeable on the subject...thanks in advance.

Edited April 14, 2021 by heartstastic

[heartstastic]

15 minutes ago, Tazio said:

Is that really claiming close to 600 people have been killed by the vaccine? 

It's the governments own system so  make of it what you will.

[Victorian]

37 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

confirming efficiency is the first test they do to check the chip is working correctly

 

It was Bill Gates who did the jabbing.  

[Tazio]

8 minutes ago, heartstastic said:

It's the governments own system so  make of it what you will.

From Annex 1 

 Usage of the AstraZeneca has increased rapidly and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported. Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccine played a role in the death.

[milky_26]

8 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

It was Bill Gates who did the jabbing.  

i hate to imagine how he restarted you

[Malinga the Swinga]

32 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

Have we got some real medical experts giving us the low-down here, or paranoid stoners with a keen interest?

It's JKB. What do you think? I'll go for later. 

[Jeffros Furios]

[Governor Tarkin]

1 minute ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

It's JKB. What do you think? I'll go for later. 

 

I dunno, some folk genuinely seem quite stable and clued up.

 

 

[Malinga the Swinga]

Just now, Governor Tarkin said:

 

I dunno, some folk genuinely seem quite stable and clued up.

 

 

I reckon some folk seem quite good at copying and pasting from Internet articles they have looked for and found. 

 

[heartstastic]

13 minutes ago, Tazio said:

From Annex 1 

 Usage of the AstraZeneca has increased rapidly and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported. Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccine played a role in the death.

Nice one case closed.

[Tazio]

Just now, heartstastic said:

Nice one case closed.

Indeed. The vaccine hasn’t killed 100’s. 

[heartstastic]

1 minute ago, Tazio said:

Indeed. The vaccine hasn’t killed 100’s. 

Yes indeed that wall of text you posted removes all reasonable doubts or association with the vaccine as any cause of death or adverse reaction. I'll get jabbed up tomorrow.

[Governor Tarkin]

2 minutes ago, heartstastic said:

Yes indeed that wall of text you posted removes all reasonable doubts or association with the vaccine as any cause of death or adverse reaction. I'll get jabbed up tomorrow.

 

So what's the end game then?

Why are they forcing this shit into us?

[Gizmo]

16 minutes ago, Tazio said:

From Annex 1 

 Usage of the AstraZeneca has increased rapidly and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported. Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccine played a role in the death.

There's the rub. Same way the conspiritards will cite "died with covid not of" as refutation of how dangerous the virus is, they switch it round and of course they claim "died of vaccine not after". 

Strange eh?

In any event, doing a Heartstastic and taking the figures at face value, this produces a risk of death of:

0.00002265817

That's people with first doses of vaccine as at 26th March (26,215,707) with the number of deaths post-vaccination expressed as a percentage. Contrasted with the odds of death or long-covid, that is absolutely neglible. 

[Tazio]

Just now, heartstastic said:

Yes indeed that wall of text you posted removes all reasonable doubts or association with the vaccine as any cause of death or adverse reaction. I'll get jabbed up tomorrow.

That ‘wall of text’ is from the same report your supposed evidence is from. You can’t chose to use evidence how you want without posting all of it. Your posted image deliberately left out the part where it says reviews of cases sees no link to the vaccine being the cause of death. The same report also acknowledges that there have unfortunately been a few that could be linked but there’s no drama in quoting lower figures. 

[niblick1874]

5 hours ago, Chong said:

 

That's class hahaa I think it represents about 95% of the people whom I work with.

 

I seriously question people on the decision to blindly back pharmaceutical companies, companies immune from liability for deaths, injuries and complications resulting from their products. I doubt the validity of the data available being able to determine there will be no issues in the long term and I can't believe the arguments returned to me when I point out that anyone taking a jab is doing so as part of a clinical trial, whilst giving no informed consent to being so.

 

Four companies (they are certainly  not not for profit groups) are leading these vaccines. 3 are serial criminals, tried and proven as such in court. Pfizer has lost so many lawsuits it really is hard to count. Astra Zeneca are similar though less. Johnson and Johnson and Moderna (named as they are trying to modernise our RNA) have never had a vaccine brought to market prior to Covid, J & J has lost major lawsuits in 1995, 1996, 2001, 2010, 2011, 2016 and 2019. Moderna is the only company on the "wonderful" list who have not paid out billions in damages for other products they brought to market when they knew they would cause deaths and injuries. Might that be because they have NEVER successfully brought any product into market?

 

Where in the world would you back someone with that kind of reputation? I certainly do not trust them.

 

On top of that in the 60's an RSV vaccine for infants entered a clinical trial - skipping animal testing - and despite appearing immunogenic initially the RSV exhibited a paradoxical disease-strengthening effect. Off 20 infants who received the RSV vaccine, 16 required to be hospitalised 2 died. Since 2000, scientists made many many attempts at creating coronavirus vaccines. Notable failures in 2004 the vaccine produced hepatitis in ferrets, 2005 mice became ill and more susceptible to coronavirus after vaccination, 2012 ferrets became sick and died and in 2016 the vaccinated ferrets and mice either developed lung disease or died. All ending in failure because the animals in the trials got very ill but even in the studies when antibody responses were produced they found once exposed to the wild version of the virus the test subjects immune system would produce a cytokine storm and the test subjects also died.

So, never before has a coronavirus vaccine been successfully attempted nor has the gene-therapy technology that is mRNA vaccine ever been safely brought to market. 

 

Top it off with no data to suggest the efficiency or safety regarding long term effects, sterility, pregnancy, under 18s, autoimmune diseases/conditions, immunocompromised individuals, transmission, prevention or protection. We have no idea what these products will do in the months or years ahead but being unaware that you're part of the trial to find out is commendable and for the greater good? Do me a favour.

 

Almost all problems in the world can be traced to an assumption of knowledge, without evidence. That doesn't help shift the burden of proof from the government to their respondents to disprove their claims. Covid has become a totalitarian religion and you should know where those lead. Group think and mob mentality can get to ****, demand evidence before you allow injections into yourself not because the propaganda machine tells you it's your duty.

 

That is a very good post.  

 

People that went through the second world war never tiered of telling me that if people came along and told me it would be a good idea for me to give up my freedom for the safety they offer they will be lying through their teeth. They also told me it would never end well for anyone that takes their offering of safety. Yet here we are

 

Anyway. I have a little guessing game that everyone can try. 🙂 

 

I wonder how many people know that the very people that are telling them what to do have been wargaming this very scenario every year for twenty years. They have been involving all the kind of people and agencies that they need to do what they are now doing so as to weed out the week links, such as people with a conscience. I wonder how many on here know what they have called the wargaming. They have a name for it. I'm going to give everyone a clue to what they have been calling it. 

 

Here is Joe Biden trying to be subtle while telling everyone involved that it's not a trial run, they are going for it. Did I say they think you are stupid. They do.

 

See if you can guess what they have been calling it for twenty years. 

 

 

[Gizmo]

Just now, Tazio said:

That ‘wall of text’ is from the same report your supposed evidence is from. You can’t chose to use evidence how you want without posting all of it. Your posted image deliberately left out the part where it says reviews of cases sees no link to the vaccine being the cause of death. The same report also acknowledges that there have unfortunately been a few that could be linked but there’s no drama in quoting lower figures. 

Incase my post fell off the page, hope you don't mind me posting the risk value here, calculated from Heartastic's own figures:

Risk of death of:

0.00002265817

That's people with first doses of vaccine as at 26th March (26,215,707) with the number of deaths post-vaccination expressed as a percentage. Contrasted with the odds of death or long-covid, that is absolutely neglible. 

Of course, you can absolutely guarantee he didn't perform even this simple calculation. None of these conspiracy folk do. 

[Dennis Reynolds]

Just now, niblick1874 said:

 

That is a very good post.  

 

People that went through the second world war never tiered of telling me that if people came along and told me it would be a good idea for me to give up my freedom for the safety they offer they will be lying through their teeth. They also told me it would never end well for anyone that takes their offering of safety. Yet here we are

 

Anyway. I have a little guessing game that everyone can try. 🙂 

 

I wonder how many people know that the very people that are telling them what to do have been wargaming this very scenario every year for twenty years. They have been involving all the kind of people and agencies that they need to do what they are now doing so as to weed out the week links, such as people with a conscience. I wonder how many on here know what they have called the wargaming. They have a name for it. I'm going to give everyone a clue to what they have been calling it. 

 

Here is Joe Biden trying to be subtle while telling everyone involved that it's not a trial run, they are going for it. Did I say they think you are stupid. They do.

 

See if you can guess what they have been calling it for twenty years. 

 

 

 

Why are you still banging on about people from WW2? These people are still alive, you know that right? 

 

https://metro.co.uk/2021/02/11/ww2-veteran-97-receives-covid-vaccine-from-his-nurse-grandson-14067829/

 

 

[heartstastic]

Just now, Governor Tarkin said:

 

So what's the end game then?

Why are they forcing this shit into us?

Either knocking off some of the elderly generation to not have to pay the pensions they can't afford (goverments not pharma but they are all in bed together) and possibly some return customers with new conditons they never had pre vaccine for the multi multi billion dollar big pharma industry. The pharma industry never got rich  by having you as a one time customer...just like any other industry. They also covered there assses against liabilites. Enjoy your soon to be multiple booster shots a year for all the 'variants' you crazy cats.

[Tazio]

As soon as someone claims the vaccine is being used as some sort of state sponsored euthanasia campaign it’s time to bow out of a discussion. 

[Jeffros Furios]

4 minutes ago, Tazio said:

As soon as someone claims the vaccine is being used as some sort of state sponsored euthanasia campaign it’s time to bow out of a discussion. 

It goes from weird to downright idiotic .