Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[frankblack]

1 minute ago, indianajones said:

 

Would they? 

 

Not so sure myself. 

 

In what way?  If the government introduces vaccination passports tomorrow then what are you going to do about it?

[frankblack]

7 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Wake up its 2021 who reads newspapers or magazines anymore...dinosaurs ...if the cap fits and all

 

People still read newspapers and buy magazines, granted newspaper circulation is a fraction of what it used to be.

Edited April 15, 2021 by frankblack

[kila]

14 minutes ago, frankblack said:

Don't know if its been mentioned but a study by Oxford University has claimed that the blood clots are as prevalent in Pfizer and Moderna vaccines as AZ.

 

Of course, I don't know if a study from Oxford University counts as independent...

 

It's getting murky and I think there probably is some agenda for the more expensive vaccines to be deemed the best whether they can be linked somewhat to blood clots or not.

 

There's been two cases out of 10 million in the UK from the Pfizer one, but apparently they didn't have low platelet levels unlike the AZ.

 

I do think the actual vaccines are honest, but the sometimes toxic business involved in distributing and selling these when in competition with other pharmas is nothing new.

 

[redjambo]

Scottish numbers: 15 April 2021

Summary

• 237 new cases of COVID-19 reported [-51; down from 364 a week ago]
• 23,580 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results – 1.2% of these were positive [-1,214; -0.1%]
• 1 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [-2]
• 16 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-4]
• 115 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-4]
• 2,708,691 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 661,975 have received their second dose [+13,720; +27,553]

[indianajones]

22 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

In what way?  If the government introduces vaccination passports tomorrow then what are you going to do about it?

 

Me personally? Nothing. 

 

If its suggested as unlawful then I bet numerous other people would though. For a vaccine that doesn't stop you from spreading the virus or becoming infected with the virus it all seems a bit odd and premature if you ask me. 

 

 

[scott herbertson]

9 minutes ago, redjambo said:

Scottish numbers: 15 April 2021

Summary

• 237 new cases of COVID-19 reported [-51; down from 364 a week ago]
• 23,580 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results – 1.2% of these were positive [-1,214; -0.1%]
• 1 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [-2]
• 16 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-4]
• 115 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-4]
• 2,708,691 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 661,975 have received their second dose [+13,720; +27,553]

 

 

All looking very positive, sorry, good...

[redjambo]

The latest stats round the councils:

 

(7-day per-100,000 cases)		Pre-
Council Area	Tier	Lockdown	Today	Yesterday			13 Apr	...	1 Apr
Scotland			32	34	-2		35	...	59
Glasgow City	4	3	58	59	-1		59	...	81
Renfrewshire	4	3	56	60	-4		60	...	103
North Lanarkshire	4	3	54	61	-7		62	...	117
Clackmannanshire	4	3	52	70	-18		87	...	233
West Lothian	4	3	49	49	0		53	...	129
Moray	4	1	48	52	-4		48	...	56
Fife	4	3	44	49	-5		45	...	42
Dundee City	4	3	43	42	+1		38	...	64
South Lanarkshire	4	3	41	40	+1		42	...	62
East Renfrewshire	4	3	40	43	-3		42	...	45
Falkirk	4	2	40	48	-8		47	...	90
Stirling	4	3	35	42	-7		38	...	58
Granite City	4	3	31	32	-1		32	...	44
East Ayrshire	4	3	25	29	-4		34	...	72
West Dunbartonshire	4	3	25	24	+1		27	...	66
Inverclyde	4	2	22	18	+4		18	...	21
North Ayrshire	4	3	19	21	-2		19	...	71
East Dunbartonshire	4	3	18	19	-1		25	...	56
Perth & Kinross	4	3	18	22	-4		21	...	36
Edinburgh City	4	3	17	19	-2		20	...	50
Highland	4/3	1	17	13	+4		10	...	7
Aberdeenshire	4	3	13	18	-5		19	...	28
Shetland Islands	3	1	13	13	0		13	...	9
East Lothian	4	3	10	11	-1		16	...	37
Midlothian	4	3	10	9	+1		9	...	57
South Ayrshire	4	3	10	12	-2		12	...	19
Angus	4	2	8	10	-2		13	...	42
Argyll & Bute	4/3	2	6	7	-1		8	...	7
Dumfries & Galloway	4	1	4	4	0		3	...	5
Scottish Borders	4	1	3	3	0		3	...	11
Na h-Eileanan Siar	3	1	0	0	0		0	...	0
Orkney Islands	3	1	0	0	0		0	...	0

[The Real Maroonblood]

4 minutes ago, redjambo said:

The latest stats round the councils:

 

(7-day per-100,000 cases)		Pre-
Council Area	Tier	Lockdown	Today	Yesterday			13 Apr	...	1 Apr
Scotland			32	34	-2		35	...	59
Glasgow City	4	3	58	59	-1		59	...	81
Renfrewshire	4	3	56	60	-4		60	...	103
North Lanarkshire	4	3	54	61	-7		62	...	117
Clackmannanshire	4	3	52	70	-18		87	...	233
West Lothian	4	3	49	49	0		53	...	129
Moray	4	1	48	52	-4		48	...	56
Fife	4	3	44	49	-5		45	...	42
Dundee City	4	3	43	42	+1		38	...	64
South Lanarkshire	4	3	41	40	+1		42	...	62
East Renfrewshire	4	3	40	43	-3		42	...	45
Falkirk	4	2	40	48	-8		47	...	90
Stirling	4	3	35	42	-7		38	...	58
Granite City	4	3	31	32	-1		32	...	44
East Ayrshire	4	3	25	29	-4		34	...	72
West Dunbartonshire	4	3	25	24	+1		27	...	66
Inverclyde	4	2	22	18	+4		18	...	21
North Ayrshire	4	3	19	21	-2		19	...	71
East Dunbartonshire	4	3	18	19	-1		25	...	56
Perth & Kinross	4	3	18	22	-4		21	...	36
Edinburgh City	4	3	17	19	-2		20	...	50
Highland	4/3	1	17	13	+4		10	...	7
Aberdeenshire	4	3	13	18	-5		19	...	28
Shetland Islands	3	1	13	13	0		13	...	9
East Lothian	4	3	10	11	-1		16	...	37
Midlothian	4	3	10	9	+1		9	...	57
South Ayrshire	4	3	10	12	-2		12	...	19
Angus	4	2	8	10	-2		13	...	42
Argyll & Bute	4/3	2	6	7	-1		8	...	7
Dumfries & Galloway	4	1	4	4	0		3	...	5
Scottish Borders	4	1	3	3	0		3	...	11
Na h-Eileanan Siar	3	1	0	0	0		0	...	0
Orkney Islands	3	1	0	0	0		0	...	0

👍

[redjambo]

And the national stats:

 

			Today	Yesterday			13 Apr	12 Apr	11 Apr	10 Apr	9 Apr	...	1 Apr
Scotland (7-day per-100,000 cases)			32	34	-2		35	35	36	38	40	...	59
7-day averages
Tests			18906	19335	-429		18949	18794	19019	18769	18680	...	21722
Positivity rate %			1.5	1.6	-0.1		1.6	1.7	1.7	1.8	1.9	...	2.4
Deaths			2	2	0		3	2	2	2	2	...	5
All Vaccinations			37352	36603	+749		35176	33892	31651	32056	31443	...	49063
1st Dose			14266	14434	-168		14984	14778	14820	15376	15690	...	29659
2nd Dose			23086	22169	+917		20192	19114	16831	16680	15753	...	19404
Daily data
Hospital (non-ICU)			99	99	0		113	133	N/A	N/A	148	...	194
ICU			16	20	-4		20	21	N/A	N/A	20	...	21

[scott herbertson]

3 minutes ago, Barack said:

Anyone who likes a bet fancy guessing at these odds?

 

I got my vaccination letter today, for the 26th of April, down here in Wales. I'm 41 in May.

 

My brother, who's 47 in August & lives in Nottinghamshire, also has been given the same date.

 

Bit weird.

 

Are they doing it alphabetically or something?!

 

 

They're doing it by DNA matches?

[Footballfirst]

4 minutes ago, Barack said:

Anyone who likes a bet fancy guessing at these odds?

 

I got my vaccination letter today, for the 26th of April, down here in Wales. I'm 41 in May.

 

My brother, who's 47 in August & lives in Nottinghamshire, also has been given the same date.

 

Bit weird.

 

Are they doing it alphabetically or something?!

I know when I got mine, there were maybe 10 neighbours from my own street attending on the same day and around the same time. It suggested that the appointments were being done by age group within postcode.  (that at least seems to be NHS Scotland's approach). 

[Taffin]

Positive cases down 34% in England according to the BBC.

 

Has there been a drop off in testing?

 

Otherwise is seems a bit odd for there to have been a drop off the week restrictions were eased seeing as it's lockdown and not the vaccine that is driving the improvement.

[Gards]

6 minutes ago, Taffin said:

Positive cases down 34% in England according to the BBC.

 

Has there been a drop off in testing?

 

Otherwise is seems a bit odd for there to have been a drop off the week restrictions were eased seeing as it's lockdown and not the vaccine that is driving the improvement.

I think you normally see the impact on infection rates a couple of weeks after a restriction being lifted.  So too early to tell what this week opening up means yet.

[Taffin]

1 minute ago, Gards said:

I think you normally see the impact on infection rates a couple of weeks after a restriction being lifted.  So too early to tell what this week opening up means yet.

 

Sorry I should have said further eased, really. The were relaxed on 29th March and then again on Monday. So we're getting gradually more and more open but cases are falling when you'd expect them to be going up.

 

But yes, you're right, the relaxations this week won't manifest themselves yet, I hadn't thought about that 👍

[Governor Tarkin]

1 hour ago, scott herbertson said:

 

 

They're doing it by DNA matches?

 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 hour ago, Footballfirst said:

I know when I got mine, there were maybe 10 neighbours from my own street attending on the same day and around the same time. It suggested that the appointments were being done by age group within postcode.  (that at least seems to be NHS Scotland's approach). 

 

Quite probable, when I got mine it was everybody within that group from Innerleithen in the afternoon, the same group from West Linton had been done that morning, so it certainly looked like it was being done by town/postcode.  In the city they could still do it by postcodes, a few at a time.

 

[DETTY29]

When you get your 2nd appointment letter be very careful to read which venue you are asked to go to, and don't assume the same as the first.

 

 

Edited April 15, 2021 by DETTY29

[The Real Maroonblood]

8 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

When you get your 2nd appointment letter be very careful to read which venue you are asked to go to, and don't assume the same as the 

 

 

I got my letter this morning for the appointment of my second jag.

It’s the same venue although I did double check it to make sure.

[niblick1874]

I fined it hard not to lighten the moment when there is an opportunity, so I will do so with something I have come up with, but first I have to have everyone watch and lister to the first video so as they get it. I give you a very clever and brave man. There is a good reason this man knows what he is confronting and he is brave enough to call it out. I think he had no choice. 

 

 

 

 

 

Now watch the video above with the audio off and at the same time have the audio playing from the video bellow over it having started both as close to the same time as you can. 🙂

 

 

 

 

 

 

[DETTY29]

59 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

I got my letter this morning for the appointment of my second jag.

It’s the same venue although I did double check it to make sure.

👍

 

 

 

 

[niblick1874]

23 hours ago, LMc said:

 

Why are you still banging on about people from WW2? These people are still alive, you know that right? 

 

https://metro.co.uk/2021/02/11/ww2-veteran-97-receives-covid-vaccine-from-his-nurse-grandson-14067829/

 

 

 

It's not that you missed the point. You missed the planet it was on. 

 

I wonder if that old man knew how lucky he was not living under Cuomo. He would know nothing about what that monster did to thousand of old people if all he had was a television for his news. 

[Jeffros Furios]

5 hours ago, Victorian said:

Absolutely savaged this morning.  Got very little sleep.  Feel like I've been run over by a bus.

The 2nd day after the vaccine i had the migrane from hell.

Couldn't even stand up , and then suddenly was back to normal .

[connlach]

3 hours ago, redjambo said:

The latest stats round the councils:

 

(7-day per-100,000 cases)		Pre-
Council Area	Tier	Lockdown	Today	Yesterday			13 Apr	...	1 Apr
Scotland			32	34	-2		35	...	59
Glasgow City	4	3	58	59	-1		59	...	81
Renfrewshire	4	3	56	60	-4		60	...	103
North Lanarkshire	4	3	54	61	-7		62	...	117
Clackmannanshire	4	3	52	70	-18		87	...	233
West Lothian	4	3	49	49	0		53	...	129
Moray	4	1	48	52	-4		48	...	56
Fife	4	3	44	49	-5		45	...	42
Dundee City	4	3	43	42	+1		38	...	64
South Lanarkshire	4	3	41	40	+1		42	...	62
East Renfrewshire	4	3	40	43	-3		42	...	45
Falkirk	4	2	40	48	-8		47	...	90
Stirling	4	3	35	42	-7		38	...	58
Granite City	4	3	31	32	-1		32	...	44
East Ayrshire	4	3	25	29	-4		34	...	72
West Dunbartonshire	4	3	25	24	+1		27	...	66
Inverclyde	4	2	22	18	+4		18	...	21
North Ayrshire	4	3	19	21	-2		19	...	71
East Dunbartonshire	4	3	18	19	-1		25	...	56
Perth & Kinross	4	3	18	22	-4		21	...	36
Edinburgh City	4	3	17	19	-2		20	...	50
Highland	4/3	1	17	13	+4		10	...	7
Aberdeenshire	4	3	13	18	-5		19	...	28
Shetland Islands	3	1	13	13	0		13	...	9
East Lothian	4	3	10	11	-1		16	...	37
Midlothian	4	3	10	9	+1		9	...	57
South Ayrshire	4	3	10	12	-2		12	...	19
Angus	4	2	8	10	-2		13	...	42
Argyll & Bute	4/3	2	6	7	-1		8	...	7
Dumfries & Galloway	4	1	4	4	0		3	...	5
Scottish Borders	4	1	3	3	0		3	...	11
Na h-Eileanan Siar	3	1	0	0	0		0	...	0
Orkney Islands	3	1	0	0	0		0	...	0

Interesting that its the more rural parts of Scotland where the rates are dropping quickly. That hasn't always been the case during the pandemic. It can only take a small outbreak in one of these areas to make a big impact so it suggests school and nursing homes are avoiding anything. 

[scott herbertson]

3 hours ago, Barack said:

That would be even more of a feat, and random, if true. Since we're not genetically related. 

 

 

It was a fair guess from the information you supplied!

 

But it was also a joke...

 

There does seem to be something of a postcode lottery going on,which is a bit daft.

[Dennis Reynolds]

2 hours ago, niblick1874 said:

 

It's not that you missed the point. You missed the planet it was on. 

 

I wonder if that old man knew how lucky he was not living under Cuomo. He would know nothing about what that monster did to thousand of old people if all he had was a television for his news. 

 

Right, well glad you cleared that up.

 

 

[Sidelight]

Pfizer 3rd vaccine now required. It's a scam.

[Footballfirst]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56760163

 

Extract:

The risk of developing a serious brain clot - known as a cerebral sinus vein thrombosis (CVST) - is 8 to 10 times higher in people with Covid than those who get a vaccine, a study suggests.

Based on US data, the Oxford research team says people being vaccinated should be reassured by the findings.

It follows investigations into links between the AstraZeneca vaccine and rare blood clots.

The study only looked at those who had had a Pfizer or Moderna vaccine.

The research, which involved electronic health records of 81 million people in the US, looked at the number of CVST cases seen in the two weeks following a diagnosis of coronavirus and the number of cases occurring in the two weeks after people had their first coronavirus vaccine.

It estimates that while these blood clots are uncommon after Covid - with 39 in every million people developing one within two weeks of being ill - they are much rarer still after a vaccine.

[Taffin]

22 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56760163

 

Extract:

The risk of developing a serious brain clot - known as a cerebral sinus vein thrombosis (CVST) - is 8 to 10 times higher in people with Covid than those who get a vaccine, a study suggests.

Based on US data, the Oxford research team says people being vaccinated should be reassured by the findings.

It follows investigations into links between the AstraZeneca vaccine and rare blood clots.

The study only looked at those who had had a Pfizer or Moderna vaccine.

The research, which involved electronic health records of 81 million people in the US, looked at the number of CVST cases seen in the two weeks following a diagnosis of coronavirus and the number of cases occurring in the two weeks after people had their first coronavirus vaccine.

It estimates that while these blood clots are uncommon after Covid - with 39 in every million people developing one within two weeks of being ill - they are much rarer still after a vaccine.

 

What is the comparative risk once you factor your odds of catching Covid?

 

 

[Footballfirst]

6 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

What is the comparative risk once you factor your odds of catching Covid?

 

The odds of catching Covid varies depending on factors like lockdown, other non medical precautions, vaccine take up and efficacy, so it is difficult to compute a comparative risk.  

 

 

[Footballfirst]

Some back of a fag packet calculations.

 

Population 50m all vaccinated - 200 deaths due to vaccine related clots at a rate of 4 in a million

 

Population 50m no-one vaccinated - few restrictions - 5% (2.5m) of population gets Covid over the course of a year.  97 deaths due to Covid related clots at 39 in a million.  However you have to add in the other 12,500 other Covid deaths at a low mortality rate of 0.5%.

Edited April 15, 2021 by Footballfirst

[Taffin]

10 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

The odds of catching Covid varies depending on factors like lockdown, other non medical precautions, vaccine take up and efficacy, so it is difficult to compute a comparative risk.  

 

 

 

So other than being a stat, is there much point in comparing the risk between the two?

 

If 100% of people got Covid then it would tell us you're 8-10x more likely to get CVST from that than the vaccine...but 100% of people don't get Covid.

 

Apologies if I'm missing the obvious.

 

[Taffin]

1 minute ago, Footballfirst said:

Some back of a fag packet calculations.

 

Population 50m all vaccinated - 200 deaths due to vaccine related clots at a rate of 4 in a million

 

Population 50m no-one vaccinated - few restrictions - 5% (2.5m) of population gets Covid over the course of a year.  97 deaths due to Covid related clots at 39 in a million.  However you have to add in the other 12,500 other Covid deaths at a low mortality rate of 0.5%.

 

 

Cheers, appreciate that. Guess it gets really complex too around variance by demographic etc too.

 

We've also no idea what the status are really in relation to the vaccine in young people as hardly any of them have had it.

[Governor Tarkin]

4 hours ago, Barack said:

Since we're not genetically related. 

 

That's what the msm want you to think. 

[redjambo]

@Footballfirst: I won't be able to update the Scottish stats at 2pm tomorrow. If you want to do so, that would be great. I'll post the trend stats when I get back.

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 hours ago, redjambo said:

@Footballfirst: I won't be able to update the Scottish stats at 2pm tomorrow. If you want to do so, that would be great. I'll post the trend stats when I get back.

I hope u applied through the appropriate channels to take the afternoon off ? We all rely on you Red ! Have a good time off 😂

[ri Alban]

6 hours ago, redjambo said:

@Footballfirst: I won't be able to update the Scottish stats at 2pm tomorrow. If you want to do so, that would be great. I'll post the trend stats when I get back.

Nae stats. 

 

 

[ri Alban]

Stay local scrapped. And we can meet even more arseholes from today. 12 days early because the SNP are class. 

[ri Alban]

Rapid testing, not worth a feck. Positive tests are 98% false. 

[frankblack]

1 hour ago, ri Alban said:

Stay local scrapped. And we can meet even more arseholes from today. 12 days early because the SNP are class. 

 

Nothing like an election coming to start loosening restrictions.

[Nucky Thompson]

1 hour ago, ri Alban said:

Stay local scrapped. And we can meet even more arseholes from today. 12 days early because the SNP are class. 

I've had a couple of nights away already. 

Weather is amazing.

Sitting outside in a sun trap in the afternoon with a few beers and cocktails because the Tories are class 

[Victorian]

27 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

Nothing like an election coming to start loosening restrictions.

 

Let us investigate this unique insight.  Just like the election coming up in England?... nut.  Oh well.  

[Nucky Thompson]

Snooker starts with fans at 20% capacity, going up to 100% for the final.

Hopefully all the spectator trials are a success and we can get fans into football again for next season

[Victorian]

Just now, Nucky Thompson said:

Snooker starts with fans at 20% capacity, going up to 100% for the final.

Hopefully all the spectator trials are a success and we can get fans into football again for next season

 

  This looks like an important trial.  About 900 spectators in a relatively compact theatre.  

[Victorian]

Just now, Lord BJ said:

@Victorian how you feeling today? Ill effects all behind you I hope. 👍

 

Cheers m'lud.  Still a bit buggered.

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 hours ago, ri Alban said:

Stay local scrapped. And we can meet even more arseholes from today. 12 days early because the SNP are class. 

Aye they were scrapped in officially long time ago where u been ? 

45 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

Nothing like an election coming to start loosening restrictions.

Really ? 

[frankblack]

16 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Let us investigate this unique insight.  Just like the election coming up in England?... nut.  Oh well.  

 

Just watch the restrictions loosen as polling day nears.  Panic must be setting in for their complete shitshow over the past 16 months.

[JudyJudyJudy]

One of my friends who is a Priest ( I have a wide variety of friends ) was telling me he was allowed to conduct a mass at an old folks home yesterday which gave lots of comfort to the old people . He had to get a lateral flow test first before going in and waited 30 minutes before going in to conduct it . Obviously it came back negative . Things certainly seem to be back to normal with church services it seems. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

50 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

Nothing like an election coming to start loosening restrictions.

[Victorian]

4 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

Just watch the restrictions loosen as polling day nears.  Panic must be setting in for their complete shitshow over the past 16 months.

 

Ok

[The Real Maroonblood]

36 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

I've had a couple of nights away already. 

Weather is amazing.

Sitting outside in a sun trap in the afternoon with a few beers and cocktails because the Tories are class 

Weather must be really beneficial for you just now with your work.