Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[redjambo]

The latest 7-day stats. Another good drop in the national cases. Clackmannanshire once again at the top of the table - it will be interesting once this is all over to find out why this county has featured so significantly at the top of the infection table during the pandemic. Positivity rate still dropping, as are hospitalisations. Small uptick in the deaths. The Lothian councils should be ok to reincorporate in the table as of tomorrow, just in time for the data blackout over the weekend. First dose vaccinations currently ramping down and second dose vaccinations ramping up.

 

Note that correct 7-day case stats for the 4 Lothian council areas will not be available until 1 April due to a published data issue on 25 March.
		Pre-	7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Lockdown	Today	Yesterday			29 Mar	28 Mar	27 Mar	26 Mar	25 Mar	...	1 Mar
Scotland			65	67	-2		69	69	71	70	72	...	78
Clackmannanshire	4	3	206	175	+31		138	111	97	74	76	...	126
North Lanarkshire	4	3	133	134	-1		141	136	141	134	134	...	122
Renfrewshire	4	3	104	102	+2		100	98	92	88	90	...	121
Falkirk	4	2	94	96	-2		93	90	91	93	95	...	162
Glasgow City	4	3	84	91	-7		94	100	105	105	105	...	113
North Ayrshire	4	3	83	78	+5		79	80	82	85	88	...	74
Dundee City	4	3	78	80	-2		77	78	94	99	104	...	70
West Dunbartonshire	4	3	71	73	-2		87	83	93	82	78	...	128
East Dunbartonshire	4	3	69	75	-6		79	73	72	64	56	...	77
South Lanarkshire	4	3	69	71	-2		71	72	74	74	81	...	96
East Renfrewshire	4	3	67	76	-9		81	88	89	95	97	...	75
Moray-Darling	4	1	65	75	-10		87	83	85	72	65	...	38
East Ayrshire	4	3	64	54	+10		57	50	40	34	39	...	88
Stirling	4	3	56	53	+3		54	58	54	51	50	...	155
Aberdeen City	4	3	47	46	+1		46	44	46	45	43	...	29
Fife	4	3	46	48	-2		50	50	51	54	58	...	58
Angus	4	2	43	40	+3		40	40	36	31	28	...	46
Perth & Kinross	4	3	43	51	-8		48	49	52	61	68	...	60
Aberdeenshire	4	3	30	29	+1		31	33	34	35	36	...	18
South Ayrshire	4	3	25	26	-1		28	34	37	44	52	...	49
Inverclyde	4	2	23	21	+2		31	31	36	37	33	...	55
Shetland Islands	3	1	13	9	+4		31	31	26	39	39	...	0
Scottish Borders	4	1	12	11	+1		11	9	8	5	3	...	15
Highland	4/3	1	11	11	0		11	12	14	16	20	...	30
Dumfries & Galloway	4	1	8	13	-5		19	19	23	21	21	...	32
Argyll & Bute	4/3	2	7	6	+1		2	2	1	2	5	...	17
Na h-Eileanan Siar	3	1	0	0	0		0	11	11	11	11	...	34
Orkney Islands	3	1	0	0	0		0	0	4	4	4	...	0
As a guide to how they’re doing, the latest (28 March) 7-day per-100,000 case rates for the Lothians based on sample date are shown below in the first data column.
West Lothian	4	3	144	N/A	N/A		N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	...	128
Edinburgh City	4	3	55	N/A	N/A		N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	...	67
Midlothian	4	3	53	N/A	N/A		N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	...	106
East Lothian	4	3	44	N/A	N/A		N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	...	95
7-day averages
Tests			22578	22228	+350		21906	21664	22147	21351	21379	...	18830
Positivity rate %			2.5	2.6	-0.1		2.7	2.8	2.8	2.8	2.9	...	3.8
Hospital (non-ICU)			247	257	-10		270	281	292	303	316	...	852
ICU			25	26	-1		27	28	30	30	32	...	83
Deaths			6	5	+1		5	5	5	5	5	...	26
All Vaccinations			45566	46357	-791		46941	47558	51567	47822	47692		29659
1st Dose			30494	31675	-1181		32489	34396	39040	36625	37530		23727
2nd Dose			15072	14682	+390		14452	13162	12527	11197	10162		5932

[The Real Maroonblood]

Just now, redjambo said:

The latest 7-day stats. Another good drop in the national cases. Clackmannanshire once again at the top of the table - it will be interesting once this is all over to find out why this county has featured so significantly at the top of the infection table during the pandemic. Positivity rate still dropping, as are hospitalisations. Small uptick in the deaths. The Lothian councils should be ok to reincorporate in the table as of tomorrow, just in time for the data blackout over the weekend. First dose vaccinations currently ramping down and second dose vaccinations ramping up.

 

Note that correct 7-day case stats for the 4 Lothian council areas will not be available until 1 April due to a published data issue on 25 March.
		Pre-	7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Lockdown	Today	Yesterday			29 Mar	28 Mar	27 Mar	26 Mar	25 Mar	...	1 Mar
Scotland			65	67	-2		69	69	71	70	72	...	78
Clackmannanshire	4	3	206	175	+31		138	111	97	74	76	...	126
North Lanarkshire	4	3	133	134	-1		141	136	141	134	134	...	122
Renfrewshire	4	3	104	102	+2		100	98	92	88	90	...	121
Falkirk	4	2	94	96	-2		93	90	91	93	95	...	162
Glasgow City	4	3	84	91	-7		94	100	105	105	105	...	113
North Ayrshire	4	3	83	78	+5		79	80	82	85	88	...	74
Dundee City	4	3	78	80	-2		77	78	94	99	104	...	70
West Dunbartonshire	4	3	71	73	-2		87	83	93	82	78	...	128
East Dunbartonshire	4	3	69	75	-6		79	73	72	64	56	...	77
South Lanarkshire	4	3	69	71	-2		71	72	74	74	81	...	96
East Renfrewshire	4	3	67	76	-9		81	88	89	95	97	...	75
Moray-Darling	4	1	65	75	-10		87	83	85	72	65	...	38
East Ayrshire	4	3	64	54	+10		57	50	40	34	39	...	88
Stirling	4	3	56	53	+3		54	58	54	51	50	...	155
Aberdeen City	4	3	47	46	+1		46	44	46	45	43	...	29
Fife	4	3	46	48	-2		50	50	51	54	58	...	58
Angus	4	2	43	40	+3		40	40	36	31	28	...	46
Perth & Kinross	4	3	43	51	-8		48	49	52	61	68	...	60
Aberdeenshire	4	3	30	29	+1		31	33	34	35	36	...	18
South Ayrshire	4	3	25	26	-1		28	34	37	44	52	...	49
Inverclyde	4	2	23	21	+2		31	31	36	37	33	...	55
Shetland Islands	3	1	13	9	+4		31	31	26	39	39	...	0
Scottish Borders	4	1	12	11	+1		11	9	8	5	3	...	15
Highland	4/3	1	11	11	0		11	12	14	16	20	...	30
Dumfries & Galloway	4	1	8	13	-5		19	19	23	21	21	...	32
Argyll & Bute	4/3	2	7	6	+1		2	2	1	2	5	...	17
Na h-Eileanan Siar	3	1	0	0	0		0	11	11	11	11	...	34
Orkney Islands	3	1	0	0	0		0	0	4	4	4	...	0
As a guide to how they’re doing, the latest (28 March) 7-day per-100,000 case rates for the Lothians based on sample date are shown below in the first data column.
West Lothian	4	3	144	N/A	N/A		N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	...	128
Edinburgh City	4	3	55	N/A	N/A		N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	...	67
Midlothian	4	3	53	N/A	N/A		N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	...	106
East Lothian	4	3	44	N/A	N/A		N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	...	95
7-day averages
Tests			22578	22228	+350		21906	21664	22147	21351	21379	...	18830
Positivity rate %			2.5	2.6	-0.1		2.7	2.8	2.8	2.8	2.9	...	3.8
Hospital (non-ICU)			247	257	-10		270	281	292	303	316	...	852
ICU			25	26	-1		27	28	30	30	32	...	83
Deaths			6	5	+1		5	5	5	5	5	...	26
All Vaccinations			45566	46357	-791		46941	47558	51567	47822	47692		29659
1st Dose			30494	31675	-1181		32489	34396	39040	36625	37530		23727
2nd Dose			15072	14682	+390		14452	13162	12527	11197	10162		5932

👍

Mild side affects. 

Legs a bit sore.

Soon be due my second jag.

[redjambo]

1 minute ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

👍

Mild side affects. 

Legs a bit sore.

Soon be due my second jag.

 

👍

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 hour ago, Zico said:

Indeed. Or did they smoke and if so, how many a day and what brand?

 

As Malinga says, the politicising of the vaccine by some of the EU countries is ridiculous. And it’ll cost lives. 

 

Just saying on Sky News that, these are a different kind of blood clot that Germany is now reporting from those that caused the pause the last time, so has the first blood clots disappeared or are in such low numbers that the Germans have picked something else so as to have a pop at AstraZeneca with, because that's the way this is starting to sound.

[Taffin]

3 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Just saying on Sky News that, these are a different kind of blood clot that Germany is now reporting from those that caused the pause the last time, so has the first blood clots disappeared or are in such low numbers that the Germans have picked something else so as to have a pop at AstraZeneca with, because that's the way this is starting to sound.

 

Canada have also paused it for the under-55s, and they aren't the only non-EU company to either pause it or go very slowly in approving it. Where does that sit within the the idea that it's EU States playing politics? Are they all playing politics? If so, why?

[redjambo]

41 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Without meaning to compare flu and Covid again...I'm about to but not to diminish Covid.

 

Why can't they achieve herd immunity against flu via vaccination and instead only vaccinate certain people? Is it just due to it's increased rate of mutation?

 

Taffin, sorry I got distracted by getting the 7-day stats table out. That is an excellent question and I have no idea what the answer is. If it is indeed the increased rate of mutation that means that herd immunity can't be achieved against flu, then a similar mutation in Covid might mean that herd immunity is not achievable with it either. In that case they will have to look closely at the costs and benefits of vaccinating not-at-risk groups. Benefits might include lowering overall transmissibility of the virus and thus protecting those at risk for whom the vaccine isn't effective or who didn't take the vaccine and the small number of those not at risk but who happen to be badly affected by it anyway, as well as reducing the possibilities of the virus having time and space to mutate within the non-vaccinated population. I have no idea. As I say, very good question.

[frankblack]

2 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Canada have also paused it for the under-55s, and they aren't the only non-EU company to either pause it or go very slowly in approving it. Where does that sit within the the idea that it's EU States playing politics? Are they all playing politics? If so, why?

 

They are looking for a scapegoat to cover their asses while the EU goes back into lockdown due to poor vaccination rates.

[Taffin]

Just now, redjambo said:

 

Taffin, sorry I got distracted by getting the 7-day stats table out. That is an excellent question and I have no idea what the answer is. If it is indeed the increased rate of mutation that means that herd immunity can't be achieved against flu, then a similar mutation in Covid might mean that herd immunity is not achievable with it either. In that case they will have to look closely at the costs and benefits of vaccinating not-at-risk groups. Benefits might include lowering overall transmissibility of the virus and thus protecting those at risk for whom the vaccine isn't effective or who didn't take the vaccine and the small number of those not at risk but who happen to be badly affected by it anyway, as well as reducing the possibilities of the virus having time and space to mutate within the non-vaccinated population. I have no idea. As I say, very good question.

 

No need to apologise Red and I appreciate the attempt at an answer, it certainly makes sense what you've said. Your posts often make me ask questions as they are interesting, which  come across as me unfairly asking you directly/expecting you to know the answer, it isn't intended that way, they're open questions to all so don't feel a pressure to answer them, though I appreciate that you do 👍👍

[Taffin]

1 minute ago, frankblack said:

 

They are looking for a scapegoat to cover their asses while the EU goes back into lockdown due to poor vaccination rates.

 

Why would the US, Canada and other non-EU states care about the EU having poor vaccination rates though? Or do you mean those countries also have poor vaccination rates and need to cover their own asses too? 

[redjambo]

7 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

No need to apologise Red and I appreciate the attempt at an answer, it certainly makes sense what you've said. Your posts often make me ask questions as they are interesting, which  come across as me unfairly asking you directly/expecting you to know the answer, it isn't intended that way, they're open questions to all so don't feel a pressure to answer them, though I appreciate that you do 👍👍

 

Why, thanks Taffin. ... I think.  

[Jambo-Jimbo]

16 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Canada have also paused it for the under-55s, and they aren't the only non-EU company to either pause it or go very slowly in approving it. Where does that sit within the the idea that it's EU States playing politics? Are they all playing politics? If so, why?

 

Canada have paused it whilst having no reported cases of the latest blood clots that are being reported in Germany.

 

I expect the same pattern as before, that countries will pause or change the roll-out whilst having no actual reported cases of blood clots within their own country, it's called being cautious.

 

Did I mention the EU?  I'm sure I only mentioned Germany in this latest blood clot case.

[redjambo]

1 minute ago, Lord BJ said:

If there was any vaccine people should want to success at the moment it would be the Oxford AZ. It’s being done on a not for profit basis, whilst the practicalities of it makes it much easier to distribute than the current alternates. 

 

In that case, purely asking a hypothetical question, would its competitors actually want it to succeed, or are we "all in this together", any adverse news about one vaccine would affect all vaccines, and in reality there is a big enough playing field for everyone to get a decent slice of the action? I know that this sounds dangerously close to a conspiracy theory, but it's not meant to be. I'm sure financial considerations are not in play here.

[Taffin]

4 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Canada have paused it whilst having no reported cases of the latest blood clots that are being reported in Germany.

 

I expect the same pattern as before, that countries will pause or change the roll-out whilst having no actual reported cases of blood clots within their own country, it's called being cautious.

 

Did I mention the EU?  I'm sure I only mentioned Germany in this latest blood clot case.

 

Sorry I thought you were speaking in the context of the person you quoted who was talking about how the EU were politicking. 

 

In that case I agree, countries are being very cautious about it rather than it being politically driven.

[redjambo]

1 minute ago, Taffin said:

 

Sorry I thought you were speaking in the context of the person you quoted who was talking about how the EU were politicking. 

 

In that case I agree, countries are being very cautious about it rather than it being politically driven.

 

I suppose the question is whether or not some countries are being over-cautious about it to the extent that the costs of pausing vaccination with one particular vaccine may be outweighing the benefits.

[John Findlay]

For RedJambo. I had my first Covid jab last Saturday. No ill effects whatsoever.

[Taffin]

4 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

I suppose the question is whether or not some countries are being over-cautious about it to the extent that the costs of pausing vaccination with one particular vaccine may be outweighing the benefits.

 

It does certainly seem that way, especially their odd fixation with it being in relation to the AZ version of the vaccine. 

 

 

[redjambo]

4 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

For RedJambo. I had my first Covid jab last Saturday. No ill effects whatsoever.

 

Thanks, John. It's good to hear that quite a number of folk have had no or very little reaction - I don't feel so much of an outlier.

[Morgan]

2 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

Sorry Cupid or Cilla but I’m actually taken ! No “romance “ on the cards 😂😂😂 just friendly banter . Besides I’m not that common to have Alfresco liaisons . In particular in this cauld weather 😂

Good man, James.  👍

 

Best to just forget @redjambo.

 

He’s a silver tongued wee devil when the mood takes him (or when there’s something in it for him). When things aren’t going his way however, well, that’s a whole different story.

 

Ask him outright about Tommy, see which version of the story he comes out with this week.😩

 

He’s really a bit of a slut, if truth be told.   

 

 

 

 

 

 

[frankblack]

49 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Why would the US, Canada and other non-EU states care about the EU having poor vaccination rates though? Or do you mean those countries also have poor vaccination rates and need to cover their own asses too? 

 

They may be believing the lies from the EU.  I mean all the major governing bodies have it certified as safe.

[redjambo]

3 minutes ago, Morgan said:

Good man, James.  👍

 

Best to just forget @redjambo.

 

He’s a silver tongued wee devil when the mood takes him (or when there’s something in it for him). When things aren’t going his way however, well, that’s a whole different story.

 

Ask him outright about Tommy, see which version of the story he comes out with this week.😩

 

He’s really a bit of a slut, if truth be told.  

 

[frankblack]

10 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Thanks, John. It's good to hear that quite a number of folk have had no or very little reaction - I don't feel so much of an outlier.

 

My Mum in her mid 80s just had a sore arm for a day, but a neighbour who is much younger felt like crap for a couple of days.

[Justin Z]

The Danish data provided here cannot rule out the possibility that some venous thromboembolic events reported in relation to the use of the Oxford–AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine are caused by the vaccine. However, although affected by several limitations, these data suggest that the reported number of thromboembolic events among Europeans who have received the Oxford–AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine (at least those reported as deriving from the venous system) does not seem to be increased relative to the expected number estimated from incidence rates from the entire Danish population before the introduction of the vaccination programme.

 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00762-5/fulltext

[Jambo-Jimbo]

4 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

It does certainly seem that way, especially their odd fixation with it being in relation to the AZ version of the vaccine. 

 

 

 

You can add the media in that as well.

 

Remember last week the big headlines all over Europe about 29 million doses (vials actually) being found in a 'RAID' on an Italian warehouse/factory.

 

Well what the media weren't so quick to plaster all over the front pages and all over their online/social media accounts were that, 16 million were for the EU and the other 13 million were part of the EU's covax donation, so the full 29 million were for the EU.

 

Is there a smear campaign against the AZ/Oxford vaccine, there certainly looks like it.

[Taffin]

4 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

They may be believing the lies from the EU.  I mean all the major governing bodies have it certified as safe.

 

Could well be. It's not got approval in the US though I don't think(?).

[frankblack]

1 minute ago, Justin Z said:

The Danish data provided here cannot rule out the possibility that some venous thromboembolic events reported in relation to the use of the Oxford–AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine are caused by the vaccine. However, although affected by several limitations, these data suggest that the reported number of thromboembolic events among Europeans who have received the Oxford–AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine (at least those reported as deriving from the venous system) does not seem to be increased relative to the expected number estimated from incidence rates from the entire Danish population before the introduction of the vaccination programme.

 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00762-5/fulltext

 

Yeah, basically the numbers are within the range of expected events and can't be ruled in or out either way.

 

AZ are caught between a rock and a hard place trying to prove the vaccine didn't cause the reactions.

[redjambo]

8 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Could well be. It's not got approval in the US though I don't think(?).

 

According to https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/covid-19-vaccines, the US FDA has only approved the Pfizer, Moderna and Janssen vaccines to date.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 minute ago, Taffin said:

 

Could well be. It's not got approval in the US though I don't think(?).

 

Only because the FDA ordered further trials to be conducted in the US before they would give approval.

The results of these additional trials were released last week, and whilst the efficacy was good at something like 79% in preventing diease and 100% in preventing hospitalisations, AZ were criticed by US authorities for some of it's data it used, bad press again.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56521166

 

 

[joondalupjambo]

Think I posted on here previously that my 92 year old mother had the AZ jag and was ill for 16 days in total.  Flu like symptoms, head aches, shivers, cold all the time, sore arm for most of the time, no energy and aches and pains.  She is normally fit as a fiddle apart from a minor gallstone issue which is treated now and again with tablets prior to bigger meals . She is absolutely refusing to go for her second jag.

 

Interestingly I got my letter to go for mine but it clashed with the day we were concluding on a house and I had to rearrange to 31st March.  I got another letter saying that this rearranged appointment had been cancelled and was to go online and reschedule.  When I went online it said there are no vaccines available to book online.  I phoned the help line and was told yep no online bookings or bookings via the helpline until further notice and I was to keep checking the website.  They said that any vaccine now was going to be used for those with first jag appointments and second jags.  I sulked away thinking bad boy not turning up for the initial appointment but a house buy surely was a good reason for rearranging, or was it?

 

So not had mine, 63 and no idea when I can get it.  

Edited March 31, 2021 by joondalupjambo

[redjambo]

10 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said:

Think I posted on here previously that my 92 year old mother had the AZ jag and was ill for 16 days in total.  Flu like symptoms, head aches, shivers, cold all the time, sore arm for most of the time, no energy and aches and pains.  She is normally fit as a fiddle apart from a minor gallstone issue which is treated now and again with tablets prior to bigger meals . She is absolutely refusing to go for her second jag.

 

Interestingly I got my letter to go for mine but it clashed with the day we were concluding on a house and I had to rearrange to 31st March.  I got another letter saying that this rearranged appointment had been cancelled and was to go online and reschedule.  When I went online it said there are no vaccines available to book online.  I phoned the help line and was told yep no online bookings or bookings via the helpline until further notice and I was to keep checking the website.  They said that any vaccine now was going to be used for those with first jag appointments and second jags.  I sulked away thinking bad boy not turning up for the initial appointment but a house buy surely was a good reason for rearranging, or was it?

 

So not had mine, 63 and no idea when I can get it.  

 

Do you care in any way for your mum? If so, register as a carer through https://register.vacs.nhs.scot/. Hopefully this will get you back in the vaccination queue.

Edited March 31, 2021 by redjambo

[joondalupjambo]

1 minute ago, redjambo said:

 

Do you care in any way for your mum? If so, register as a carer through https://register.vacs.nhs.scot/. Hopefully this will get you back in the vaccination queue.

Nope not needed the old bird is fitter than you or me   That is why when she was so ill it was such a shock because she never has a thing wrong with her. Thanks for the heads up though.  She says get on the phone and tell them you can have my second one 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

48 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

In that case, purely asking a hypothetical question, would its competitors actually want it to succeed, or are we "all in this together", any adverse news about one vaccine would affect all vaccines, and in reality there is a big enough playing field for everyone to get a decent slice of the action? I know that this sounds dangerously close to a conspiracy theory, but it's not meant to be. I'm sure financial considerations are not in play here.

 

Seeing as you mention that, it must be remembered that AstraZeneca don't normally make vaccines, this is the first one they have produced in either a very long time or indeed ever, so this isn't their field.

 

So what we have here is a 'new kid on the block' so to speak offering their product at cost price, a product which also happens to be easier to store and transport compared to it's current competitors.

 

As you say this and what I've just written above sounds dangerously close to a conspiracy theory, which like yourself it isn't meant to be.

However, when money is involved and lots of it, then anything is possible.

[redjambo]

4 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said:

Nope not needed the old bird is fitter than you or me   That is why when she was so ill it was such a shock because she never has a thing wrong with her. Thanks for the heads up though.  She says get on the phone and tell them you can have my second one 

 

Care might involve any form of face-to-face support, including delivery of messages, cleaning, much-needed physical presence for moral support, etc., not necessarily health-related care, imo. It also applies if you provide such support to "one or more family members, friends or neighbours".

[Dazo]

35 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said:

Think I posted on here previously that my 92 year old mother had the AZ jag and was ill for 16 days in total.  Flu like symptoms, head aches, shivers, cold all the time, sore arm for most of the time, no energy and aches and pains.  She is normally fit as a fiddle apart from a minor gallstone issue which is treated now and again with tablets prior to bigger meals . She is absolutely refusing to go for her second jag.

 

Interestingly I got my letter to go for mine but it clashed with the day we were concluding on a house and I had to rearrange to 31st March.  I got another letter saying that this rearranged appointment had been cancelled and was to go online and reschedule.  When I went online it said there are no vaccines available to book online.  I phoned the help line and was told yep no online bookings or bookings via the helpline until further notice and I was to keep checking the website.  They said that any vaccine now was going to be used for those with first jag appointments and second jags.  I sulked away thinking bad boy not turning up for the initial appointment but a house buy surely was a good reason for rearranging, or was it?

 

So not had mine, 63 and no idea when I can get it.  

I would keep checking online as appointments pop up randomly. 
 

On that and to come across as a bit of a prick you don’t actually do much on house purchase day except wait, I would have went with your first appointment as it takes no time at all. Horse bolted and all that.  

[CavySlaveJambo]

55 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

According to https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/covid-19-vaccines, the US FDA has only approved the Pfizer, Moderna and Janssen vaccines to date.

They asked for the up to date data earlier this week I think.  Because when they submitted the data it was only up to February 

 

Edited March 31, 2021 by CavySlaveJambo

[frankblack]

1 hour ago, Taffin said:

 

Could well be. It's not got approval in the US though I don't think(?).

 

There does seem to be a lot of protectionism going on with countries pushing their own vaccines.

[Victorian]

Immunising the youngest...

 

More residual virus = much more likely continuing new variants.  Minimal residual virus = virtually zero chance of new variants originating here.  Minimal residual virus = much more straightforward to have an effective test, trace and isolate regime.  

[Victorian]

Immunising the young is another weapon in the arsenal to prevent future lockdowns.  Everyone benefits including the young.  The economy can operate and grow.  Jobs return.  Parents' jobs and incomes are protected.  Mental health harm from lockdown avoided.  Education is protected.

 

Everyone benefits.  Get them jabbed.

Edited March 31, 2021 by Victorian

[Captain Sausage]

Meant to be flying to the Canary Islands on Saturday. The whole family has come down with a fever, blocked nose and sore throat. 
 

Had our PCR tests today so will see whether it’s COVID or just a bad cold. 
 

Will be gutted if it’s COVID, as Macron will likely be shutting schools and putting us back into strict confinement tonight. 

[GBJambo]

4 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

Up to u as a parent to think very carefully about this . If I was a parent I wouldn’t . I know one of my Neices is not getting her children jabbed . They are 9 and 2 

Yep no chance am I letting my kids get it. 
All down to money which is why it’s being offered to kids . They want to make as much money as they can out of this shit show 

[redjambo]

6 minutes ago, GBJambo said:

Yep no chance am I letting my kids get it. 
All down to money which is why it’s being offered to kids . They want to make as much money as they can out of this shit show 

 

You obviously haven't read the posts above which discuss the benefits to the population as a whole of extending vaccine coverage as widely as possible.

 

And who's the "they" who are making money? The not-for-profit Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine, or the NHS whom it costs to organise and provide us with the vaccinations?

 

Just out of interest.

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

8 minutes ago, GBJambo said:

Yep no chance am I letting my kids get it. 
All down to money which is why it’s being offered to kids . They want to make as much money as they can out of this shit show 

👍 good man

[Dennis Reynolds]

20 minutes ago, Captain Sausage said:

Meant to be flying to the Canary Islands on Saturday. The whole family has come down with a fever, blocked nose and sore throat. 
 

Had our PCR tests today so will see whether it’s COVID or just a bad cold. 
 

Will be gutted if it’s COVID, as Macron will likely be shutting schools and putting us back into strict confinement tonight. 

 

Hopefully just a cold!

[Ray Gin]

33 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Immunising the young is another weapon in the arsenal to prevent future lockdowns.  Everyone benefits including the young.  The economy can operate and grow.  Jobs return.  Parents' jobs and incomes are protected.  Mental health harm from lockdown avoided.  Education is protected.

 

Everyone benefits.  Get them jabbed.

 

 

Sick of lockdown and restrictions? Vaccination is the quickest route out.

 

[Victorian]

Just now, Ray Gin said:

 

 

Sick of lockdown and restrictions? Vaccination is the quickest route out.

 

 

It certainly is unless one is of the misguided belief that something can be gained out of nothing.  The protection of an operating economy + education (inc further education) + allowing the NHS to maximise the amount of non-covid care is absolutely paramount.  The economy provides jobs,  incomes,  generates profits for business owners.  The wealth circulation in the real economy relies on a settled equilibrium.  Economic growth generates wealth to fund pension funds and (for the next few decades or for a hundred years) to gradually pay for the damage caused by the economic meteor that's just wiped us out,  further aiding the economy,  jobs,  incomes,  standard of living,  pensions,  etc.  Reducing the burden on this generation of children and further generations.  

 

The economic recovery and new settlement is of such importance that it merits as many factors of safety and redundant locks as can be introduced.  We might never need young people vaccinated to avoid lockdowns... but let's put as many barricades in the way as we can to guarantee no lockdowns.

[joondalupjambo]

1 hour ago, Dazo said:

I would keep checking online as appointments pop up randomly. 
 

On that and to come across as a bit of a prick you don’t actually do much on house purchase day except wait, I would have went with your first appointment as it takes no time at all. Horse bolted and all that.  

Yep will do but so far not even access to the site on the days I have been trying.

 

Your right Dazo on house purchase day you do nothing other than wait for the call to collect the keys after the dough has been successfully passed over.  However as I said I was having to do a lot of work with our solicitor to help conclude the sale.  That is the bit where there is back and forth over what will go in the final contract so the missives can be signed to make the deal as water tight as it can be.  The sale was complicated because we were buying from a deceased estate with my solicitor having to deal with two from the sellers side and of course each were wanting different things in the contract and of course explanations were required and agreements put in place by us.  Then the day of my appointment just happened to be the day my solicitor was to be given the final draft of the contract from the sellers and also the last day of my him being available before going on leave. He then wanted a face to face via VC but did not know exactly when during the day and so it went, one issue after the other, it was a bit of a mare to be honest.  I had to either get my jag and delay the house purchase day considerably or attempt to sort out most of the issues with the solicitor so things had a chance of going smoothly.

 

No idea why I just explained myself other than to try and justify in my own mind that calling off my jag appointment was the right thing to do 🙂  To be honest I think you are right the horse bolted and I maybe should have ignored the solicitor but you know what it is like buying a property you get nervous at some point during the process.  It is just strange now looking at how hard it is to get a jag.  I understand why though, miss the bus and you need to wait for the next two to come along 🙂

   

 

[Footballfirst]

The UK vaccination figures today show that more 2nd doses were given than 1st doses.  

 

1st doses - 224,590

2nd doses - 270,526

Edited March 31, 2021 by Footballfirst

[joondalupjambo]

2 hours ago, redjambo said:

 

Care might involve any form of face-to-face support, including delivery of messages, cleaning, much-needed physical presence for moral support, etc., not necessarily health-related care, imo. It also applies if you provide such support to "one or more family members, friends or neighbours".

Ok thanks again never knew that will check it out again.  I just assumed you had to be a registered carer.

[Dazo]

2 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said:

Yep will do but so far not even access to the site on the days I have been trying.

 

Your right Dazo on house purchase day you do nothing other than wait for the call to collect the keys after the dough has been successfully passed over.  However as I said I was having to do a lot of work with our solicitor to help conclude the sale.  That is the bit where there is back and forth over what will go in the final contract so the missives can be signed to make the deal as water tight as it can be.  The sale was complicated because we were buying from a deceased estate with my solicitor having to deal with two from the sellers side and of course each were wanting different things in the contract and of course explanations were required and agreements put in place by us.  Then the day of my appointment just happened to be the day my solicitor was to be given the final draft of the contract from the sellers and also the last day of my him being available before going on leave. He then wanted a face to face via VC but did not know exactly when during the day and so it went, one issue after the other, it was a bit of a mare to be honest.  I had to either get my jag and delay the house purchase day considerably or attempt to sort out most of the issues with the solicitor so things had a chance of going smoothly.

 

No idea why I just explained myself other than to try and justify in my own mind that calling off my jag appointment was the right thing to do 🙂  To be honest I think you are right the horse bolted and I maybe should have ignored the solicitor but you know what it is like buying a property you get nervous at some point during the process.  It is just strange now looking at how hard it is to get a jag.  I understand why though, miss the bus and you need to wait for the next two to come along 🙂

   

 

Absolutely mate and no need to justify your decision. 👍

 

As I said though keep an eye on the online booking site as they do pop up. 

[Dazo]

1 minute ago, joondalupjambo said:

Ok thanks again never knew that will check it out again.  I just assumed you had to be a registered carer.

You don’t need to be registered but some people seem to be using it to jump the queue. 

Edited March 31, 2021 by Dazo

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, Dazo said:

Absolutely mate and no need to justify your decision. 👍

 

As I said though keep an eye on the online booking site as they do pop up. 

Ive never seen the online booking site?  I have been waiting weeks for any appointment.