Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[redjambo]

Just now, scott herbertson said:

 

 

The supply issue was mentioned at Friday briefing by the FM - -still expects to meet the targets so just temporary, hopefully

 

Cheers, Scott.

[DETTY29]

Edinburgh at 42, although not 7 day average.

 

Prob need to get to about 35 to safely go into tier 2 end April.

 

Why not aim for better though?

[Ray Gin]

10 minutes ago, redjambo said:

The latest 7-day stats. A nice drop in the overall 7-day case rate. Today's vaccination figures noticeably lower than normal so may indicate a supply issue?

 

		Pre-	7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Lockdown	Today	Yesterday			5 Mar	4 Mar	3 Mar	2 Mar	1 Mar	...	20 Dec
Scotland			62	66	-4		65	66	71	76	78	...	98
Clackmannanshire	4	3	149	159	-10		149	165	151	144	126	...	148
Stirling	4	3	126	123	+3		123	131	140	155	155	...	70
Falkirk	4	2	123	127	-4		127	137	146	158	162	...	60
Glasgow City	4	3	111	112	-1		108	104	105	110	113	...	129
North Lanarkshire	4	3	105	108	-3		105	102	112	115	122	...	119
West Lothian	4	3	103	109	-6		113	114	120	126	128	...	83
North Ayrshire	4	3	90	88	+2		81	79	76	72	74	...	175
East Renfrewshire	4	3	86	91	-5		89	76	84	83	75	...	101
South Lanarkshire	4	3	76	83	-7		84	84	93	95	96	...	120
Na h-Eileanan Siar	4	1	71	60	+11		34	22	15	22	34	...	22
Dundee City	4	3	66	71	-5		74	66	65	74	70	...	113
Renfrewshire	4	3	65	79	-14		80	94	110	117	121	...	116
Midlothian	4	3	63	75	-12		79	81	94	105	106	...	136
East Lothian	4	3	55	63	-8		69	77	91	100	95	...	148
East Ayrshire	4	3	54	54	0		57	66	80	81	88	...	153
Angus	4	2	47	45	+2		52	47	43	44	46	...	37
West Dunbartonshire	4	3	45	61	-16		69	81	100	118	128	...	120
Edinburgh City	4	3	42	45	-3		49	52	59	63	67	...	109
East Dunbartonshire	4	3	41	48	-7		51	49	60	69	77	...	70
Fife	4	3	39	45	-6		38	46	51	56	58	...	97
Perth & Kinross	4	3	39	47	-8		38	45	55	58	60	...	126
Highland	4/3	1	35	34	+1		33	28	26	32	30	...	17
Aberdeen City	4	3	32	31	+1		27	28	26	29	29	...	163
Moray	4	1	32	31	+1		37	37	38	40	38	...	13
South Ayrshire	4	3	24	24	0		26	31	43	45	49	...	98
Inverclyde	4	2	23	30	-7		32	41	50	51	55	...	59
Scottish Borders	4	1	20	18	+2		16	15	17	16	15	...	85
Aberdeenshire	4	3	18	17	+1		16	15	14	17	18	...	88
Dumfries & Galloway	4	1	16	16	0		16	17	19	26	32	...	32
Argyll & Bute	4/3	2	14	16	-2		21	24	22	17	17	...	29
Hjaltland	3	1	4	4	0		4	4	0	0	0	...	0
Orkney Islands	3	1	0	0	0		0	0	0	0	0	...	0
7-day averages
Tests			18543	19058	-515		18576	18758	18739	18616	18830	...	16839
Positivity rate %			3.1	3.2	-0.1		3.2	3.3	3.5	3.7	3.8	...	5.2
Hospital (non-ICU)			650	677	-27		713	747	779	814	852	...	975
ICU			67	69	-2		71	73	76	79	83	...	50
Deaths			16	17	-1		18	20	21	23	26	...	25
All Vaccinations			29353	30803	-1450		31085	30861	30890	30052	29659
1st Dose			23722	24817	-1095		24963	24661	24829	24160	23727
2nd Dose			5631	5986	-355		6122	6200	6061	5892	5932

Looking great for Edinburgh reaching Level 1 now when restrictions are eased. Let's hope those numbers keep dropping when all the school kids return.

[Dagger Is Back]

1 hour ago, JamesM48 said:

 

 

I gie up 

 

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-should-prepare-for-difficult-autumn-warns-public-health-england-official-12238728

 

So we need to be ready for these new variants that willl come into the country? And how will these variants arrive here? By plane and train etc as people visit this county and return from holidays abroad?

 

I give up too. It's about time they gagged all these PHE and other so called experts. One singer one song as my Granny used to say

Edited March 7, 2021 by Dagger Is Back

[redjambo]

3 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

Edinburgh at 42, although not 7 day average.

 

Prob need to get to about 35 to safely go into tier 2 end April.

 

Why not aim for better though?

 

That figure of 42 is in effect a 7-day average. You get the figure by adding up all the new cases over the last 7 days and then working out the per-capita rate. It is one of the key indicators used in determining the tiers. In saying that, however, the SG does appear to use the 7-day rate based on sample date which lags by 2-3 days behind the one I use based on reporting date. The most important thing is probably stability - if a council shows that it has consistently stayed within a certain 7-day case rate range over a period of time, then it will certainly work in its favour rather than one where the graph is more jagged.

[DETTY29]

2 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

That figure of 42 is in effect a 7-day average. You get the figure by adding up all the new cases over the last 7 days and then working out the per-capita rate. It is one of the key indicators used in determining the tiers. In saying that, however, the SG does appear to use the 7-day rate based on sample date which lags by 2-3 days behind the one I use based on reporting date. The most important thing is probably stability - if a council shows that it has consistently stayed within a certain 7-day case rate range over a period of time, then it will certainly work in its favour rather than one where the graph is more jagged.

Cheers.

 

I just briefly looked at so even better.

 

42 still not imo safe enough to go into 2.

[Footballfirst]

10 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

Cheers.

 

I just briefly looked at so even better.

 

42 still not imo safe enough to go into 2.

Using the specimen dates, Edinburgh's recently published 7 day/100k averages have fallen fairly sharply.  The most recent figure (43.43) is from 4th March.

 

Cases      7day/100k Av

54	94.11
58	89.54
56	84.77
58	79.25
38	72.01
27	65.72
47	64.39
41	61.91
22	55.05
24	48.96
29	43.43

 

It will undoubtedly require at least a week's average figures below "50" to confirm Level 2 but, by 26 April, there is no reason why the numbers should not be below the Level 1 threshold of 20.

Edited March 7, 2021 by Footballfirst

[The Real Maroonblood]

48 minutes ago, redjambo said:

The latest 7-day stats. A nice drop in the overall 7-day case rate. Today's vaccination figures noticeably lower than normal so may indicate a supply issue?

 

		Pre-	7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Lockdown	Today	Yesterday			5 Mar	4 Mar	3 Mar	2 Mar	1 Mar	...	20 Dec
Scotland			62	66	-4		65	66	71	76	78	...	98
Clackmannanshire	4	3	149	159	-10		149	165	151	144	126	...	148
Stirling	4	3	126	123	+3		123	131	140	155	155	...	70
Falkirk	4	2	123	127	-4		127	137	146	158	162	...	60
Glasgow City	4	3	111	112	-1		108	104	105	110	113	...	129
North Lanarkshire	4	3	105	108	-3		105	102	112	115	122	...	119
West Lothian	4	3	103	109	-6		113	114	120	126	128	...	83
North Ayrshire	4	3	90	88	+2		81	79	76	72	74	...	175
East Renfrewshire	4	3	86	91	-5		89	76	84	83	75	...	101
South Lanarkshire	4	3	76	83	-7		84	84	93	95	96	...	120
Na h-Eileanan Siar	4	1	71	60	+11		34	22	15	22	34	...	22
Dundee City	4	3	66	71	-5		74	66	65	74	70	...	113
Renfrewshire	4	3	65	79	-14		80	94	110	117	121	...	116
Midlothian	4	3	63	75	-12		79	81	94	105	106	...	136
East Lothian	4	3	55	63	-8		69	77	91	100	95	...	148
East Ayrshire	4	3	54	54	0		57	66	80	81	88	...	153
Angus	4	2	47	45	+2		52	47	43	44	46	...	37
West Dunbartonshire	4	3	45	61	-16		69	81	100	118	128	...	120
Edinburgh City	4	3	42	45	-3		49	52	59	63	67	...	109
East Dunbartonshire	4	3	41	48	-7		51	49	60	69	77	...	70
Fife	4	3	39	45	-6		38	46	51	56	58	...	97
Perth & Kinross	4	3	39	47	-8		38	45	55	58	60	...	126
Highland	4/3	1	35	34	+1		33	28	26	32	30	...	17
Aberdeen City	4	3	32	31	+1		27	28	26	29	29	...	163
Moray	4	1	32	31	+1		37	37	38	40	38	...	13
South Ayrshire	4	3	24	24	0		26	31	43	45	49	...	98
Inverclyde	4	2	23	30	-7		32	41	50	51	55	...	59
Scottish Borders	4	1	20	18	+2		16	15	17	16	15	...	85
Aberdeenshire	4	3	18	17	+1		16	15	14	17	18	...	88
Dumfries & Galloway	4	1	16	16	0		16	17	19	26	32	...	32
Argyll & Bute	4/3	2	14	16	-2		21	24	22	17	17	...	29
Hjaltland	3	1	4	4	0		4	4	0	0	0	...	0
Orkney Islands	3	1	0	0	0		0	0	0	0	0	...	0
7-day averages
Tests			18543	19058	-515		18576	18758	18739	18616	18830	...	16839
Positivity rate %			3.1	3.2	-0.1		3.2	3.3	3.5	3.7	3.8	...	5.2
Hospital (non-ICU)			650	677	-27		713	747	779	814	852	...	975
ICU			67	69	-2		71	73	76	79	83	...	50
Deaths			16	17	-1		18	20	21	23	26	...	25
All Vaccinations			29353	30803	-1450		31085	30861	30890	30052	29659
1st Dose			23722	24817	-1095		24963	24661	24829	24160	23727
2nd Dose			5631	5986	-355		6122	6200	6061	5892	5932

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[DETTY29]

38 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Using the specimen dates, Edinburgh's recently published 7 day/100k averages have fallen fairly sharply.  The most recent figure (43.43) is from 4th March.

 

Cases      7day/100k Av

54	94.11
58	89.54
56	84.77
58	79.25
38	72.01
27	65.72
47	64.39
41	61.91
22	55.05
24	48.96
29	43.43

 

It will undoubtedly require at least a week's average figures below "50" to confirm Level 2 but, by 26 April, there is no reason why the numbers should not be below the Level 1 threshold of 20.

Looking good to head that way but similarly if we are to go to L1 I think we need to be a bit below 20.

 

I really don't want to be in a tier for a week or so, things open up and back up a tier we go.

[Gizmo]

1 hour ago, Footballfirst said:

The BBC seems to think that it would be a hard winter.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56312621

 

"Covid: UK must prepare for 'hard winter' of flu – expert"

We've got flu vaccines - if they really are predicting a loss of immunity due to lockdown (which isn't how immunity works from everything I've read and digested over the last year and a bit so I don't really understand this at all), then order more flu vaccines. 

We've stuck to severe restrictions, at great social and economic cost, because we can see the rationale and the need to prevent spread of the virus and deaths (which hit the most deprived in society hardest - another reason I haven't countenanced just shrugging my shoulders at "X" number of deaths and demanding a premature end to the lockdowns).

Now that we are running a superb mass-vaccination programme that has to be the way forward. Get the booster vaccines prepped NOW for sequenced mutations, keep the mass vaccination centres running so they can be spun up at the end of autumn for any covid booster jags as well as the annual flu jags and offer people both - move more people into the qualifying category for influenza jags dependent on supply.  

I simply cannot see the public accepting such mixed messaging when they've been sold on the idea that the vaccinations are the way out of this misery and are, quite rightly, clinging on to that hope to get through the last quarter of this lockdown. 

[Footballfirst]

 

[The Real Maroonblood]

9 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

 

She missed out their first title win and the police will deal with the lockdown breakers accordingly.

[Nookie Bear]

12 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

 

Baton charge. 
 

Tear gas and water cannons. 
 

Mass arrests. 

 

Sorted. 
 

 

[Nookie Bear]

2 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

She missed out their first title win and the police will deal with the lockdown breakers accordingly.

How are the police dealing with it?

[Nucky Thompson]

Just now, Nookie Bear said:

How are the police dealing with it?

The Police are there with their Gers taps under their uniforms 

[Footballfirst]

6 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

Baton charge. 
 

Tear gas and water cannons. 
 

Mass arrests. 

 

Sorted. 

She'll be damned if she does something and damned if she doesn't.

 

If they were minded, the SG could probably identify the organisers of the gathering from social media posts and police surveillance videos, then fine them. 

Edited March 7, 2021 by Footballfirst

[The Real Maroonblood]

2 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

How are the police dealing with it?

Exactly.

Maybe they’re doing what they do at matches.

[The Real Maroonblood]

2 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

The Police are there with their Gers taps under their uniforms 

Your probably right.

[Nookie Bear]

Just now, Footballfirst said:

She'll be damned is she does something and damned if she doesn't.

 

If they were minded, the SG could probably identify the organisers of the gathering from social media posts and police surveillance videos, then fine them. 

Would it not be easier just to arrest them on the spot rather than spending their time browsing Facebook? 
 

This sends out a message that gatherings are fine and I fully intend to ignore all rules from now on. I hope everyone else does the same and starts opening shops...and football grounds. 

[Footballfirst]

5 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

Would it not be easier just to arrest them on the spot rather than spending their time browsing Facebook? 
 

This sends out a message that gatherings are fine and I fully intend to ignore all rules from now on. I hope everyone else does the same and starts opening shops...and football grounds. 

The police view would be that it is safer to make the arrests after the event, rather than risk a violent reaction if they went to arrest individuals in a crowd.

Edited March 7, 2021 by Footballfirst

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 hours ago, Ray Gin said:

Looking great for Edinburgh reaching Level 1 now when restrictions are eased. Let's hope those numbers keep dropping when all the school kids return.

Id rather be at Level zero.  It seems no one is even aspiring to this. The SG included. 

2 hours ago, Dagger Is Back said:

 

So we need to be ready for these new variants that willl come into the country? And how will these variants arrive here? By plane and train etc as people visit this county and return from holidays abroad?

 

I give up too. It's about time they gagged all these PHE and other so called experts. One singer one song as my Granny used to say

Nope we need to just accept there will be a certain level of deaths due to covid and get on with our lives.  Open up the economy and get people out and about enjoying a normal tier less and tearless life.  The vaccination programme has been an outstanding success and will ensure that those most vulnerable will not become ill from it or at least seriously ill.  We have done as much as we can and now need to accept we cant go backwards. 

1 hour ago, DETTY29 said:

Looking good to head that way but similarly if we are to go to L1 I think we need to be a bit below 20.

 

I really don't want to be in a tier for a week or so, things open up and back up a tier we go.

You not wanting level zero either ? 

1 hour ago, Gizmo said:

We've got flu vaccines - if they really are predicting a loss of immunity due to lockdown (which isn't how immunity works from everything I've read and digested over the last year and a bit so I don't really understand this at all), then order more flu vaccines. 

We've stuck to severe restrictions, at great social and economic cost, because we can see the rationale and the need to prevent spread of the virus and deaths (which hit the most deprived in society hardest - another reason I haven't countenanced just shrugging my shoulders at "X" number of deaths and demanding a premature end to the lockdowns).

Now that we are running a superb mass-vaccination programme that has to be the way forward. Get the booster vaccines prepped NOW for sequenced mutations, keep the mass vaccination centres running so they can be spun up at the end of autumn for any covid booster jags as well as the annual flu jags and offer people both - move more people into the qualifying category for influenza jags dependent on supply.  

I simply cannot see the public accepting such mixed messaging when they've been sold on the idea that the vaccinations are the way out of this misery and are, quite rightly, clinging on to that hope to get through the last quarter of this lockdown. 

see my other comment 

7 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

Baton charge. 
 

Tear gas and water cannons. 
 

Mass arrests. 

 

Sorted. 
 

 

lol  

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

I’d be very surprised if the big city populous goes straight to tier 2, irrespective of the data. They will want to make sure things don’t start going in wrong direction, so it very unlikely the first realise will enable hospitality and everyone mixing. It will be a gradual release with a stage/gate approach hopefully a quick one. 
 

The SG have stated the unlocking will be cautious, i don’t see lifting from tier 4 into tier 2. Hopefully I’m wrong.

 

 

Sadly i think you are right. Their over cautious approach will prevail. irrespective of any stats which may indicate what level we should be in.  

[Nookie Bear]

4 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

The police view would be that it is safer to make the arrests after the event, rather than risk a violent reaction if they went to arrest individuals in a crowd.

Will see how many arrests are made this week. 
 

 

[The Real Maroonblood]

2 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

I’d be very surprised if the big city populous goes straight to tier 2, irrespective of the data. They will want to make sure things don’t start going in wrong direction, so it very unlikely the first realise will enable hospitality and everyone mixing. It will be a gradual release with a stage/gate approach hopefully a quick one. 
 

The SG have stated the unlocking will be cautious, i don’t see lifting from tier 4 into tier 2. Hopefully I’m wrong.

 

 

I agree.

It’s more than likely Edinburgh will go to Tier3 for a few weeks then hopefully down to Tier2

[DETTY29]

On the vaccine supply by last Sunday, Scotland had been allocated 2,138,450 vaccines of which 1,886,160 had been delivered to NHS Scotland with 1,690,443 vaccines administered (196k difference), which then needs to be allocated to the individual health boards or however, it works.

 

I don't think it is unreasonable to be holding a week's supply of vaccine in stock.  We just cannot risk cancelling appointments.

 

As of last night we had administered 1,875,680 vaccines with still today's vaccines to add in, so pretty much everything we had was going back into arms

 

I'm not convinced as such the vaccine numbers will drop next week because the isn't supply there, it's more a case of being sensible and mitigating the risk of a monumental eff up outside the control of the NHS Scotland vaccination teams.

 

Here is where we are at across age groups.  The original assumption was that take up would be 80%.  These figures are unbelievable and actually put pressure on starting next age cohorts.

 

AGE	REV TAR	1ST ACTUAL	1ST %AGE	2ND ACTUAL	2ND %AGE
80+	269894	262370	97.21	14685	5.44
75-79	195951	194239	99.13	2660	1.36
70-74	278856	277956	99.68	2152	0.77
65-69	299444	287965	96.17	3818	1.28
60-64	344693	142367	41.30	10088	2.93
55-59	393123	136480	34.72	14958	3.80
50-54	401090	114705	28.60	14634	3.65
40-49	680890	148099	21.75	21405	3.14
30-39	721985	106402	14.74	17577	2.43
16-29	955977	89126	9.32	13951	1.46
TOTAL	4541903	1759709	38.74	115928	2.55

[DETTY29]

19 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

Baton charge. 
 

Tear gas and water cannons. 
 

Mass arrests. 

 

Sorted. 
 

 

NS should ask permission for the British Army to be used, all for the greater good.

 

Water cannoned with the old green goddesses should do. 

[Ray Gin]

10 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Id rather be at Level zero.  It seems no one is even aspiring to this. The SG included. 

Nope we need to just accept there will be a certain level of deaths due to covid and get on with our lives.  Open up the economy and get people out and about enjoying a normal tier less and tearless life.  The vaccination programme has been an outstanding success and will ensure that those most vulnerable will not become ill from it or at least seriously ill.  We have done as much as we can and now need to accept we cant go backwards. 

You not wanting level zero either ? 

see my other comment 

lol  

 

We'd all rather be at level 0 but it's not a very realistic target for April at present.

[TheOak88]

15 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

The police view would be that it is safer to make the arrests after the event, rather than risk a violent reaction if they went to arrest individuals in a crowd.

 

I thought the police had regularly been breaking up house parties/organised raves etc throughout lockdown. What is any different about breaking up a party of Rangers fans in George Sq?

[Victorian]

 They are aspiring to level 0.  It's the aspiration to be realised by not... like... haring straight from lockdown to level 0,  all in one fell swoop.  

 

Everyone will get level 0 by everyone playing a part and sharing the burden of going from one stage to the next as the virus and our interventions allow.

 

You would think it would be quite a simple concept.

[Gizmo]

12 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

NS should ask permission for the British Army to be used, all for the greater good.

 

Water cannoned with the old green goddesses should do. 

You'd put your garden variety hun scumbag in a terrible position, simultaneously foaming at the gash at the sight of the British Army in George Square whilst resisting their attempts to give them a long overdue bath. 

[Doogz]

1 minute ago, Victorian said:

Everyone will get level 0 by everyone playing a part and sharing the burden of going from one stage to the next as the virus and our interventions allow 

Well given the scenes in Glasgow yet again today it looks like the concept of us all doing our part is well & truly screwed then. 

[manaliveits105]

PEOPLE MAKE GLASGOW 

[Victorian]

Just now, Doogz said:

Well given the scenes in Glasgow yet again today it looks like the concept of us all doing our part is well & truly screwed then. 

 

Almost.  It's people not giving a **** like those scenes that perfectly demonstrates why we can't go straight to level 0.  

[Ray Gin]

2 minutes ago, Doogz said:

Well given the scenes in Glasgow yet again today it looks like the concept of us all doing our part is well & truly screwed then. 

 

The same bangers out celebrating today will be the first to moan about wee nippy not opening up quickly enough.

 

 

[Brighton Jambo]

20 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 They are aspiring to level 0.  It's the aspiration to be realised by not... like... haring straight from lockdown to level 0,  all in one fell swoop.  

 

Everyone will get level 0 by everyone playing a part and sharing the burden of going from one stage to the next as the virus and our interventions allow.

 

You would think it would be quite a simple concept.

A genuine concern I have is that under level 0 rules there are still very substantial restrictions.  I haven’t seen anyone outline a plan for zero restrictions.  
 

for example, under level zero you still can’t meet a group of mates and go for a beer.  That’s not life as normal.  

[Beni]

30 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

NS should ask permission for the British Army to be used, all for the greater good.

 

Water cannoned with the old green goddesses should do. 

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

28 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

NS should ask permission for the British Army to be used, all for the greater good.

 

Water cannoned with the old green goddesses should do. 

Jezz !  maybe they should shoot them all dead ??????????  dearie me

28 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

It’s frustrating cause we all want out this shit show.
 

At least we have a end in sight, hopefully the tiers get jacked early in summer and we have a national approach with some  ‘protective’ measures probably remaining, such as social distancing but in effect that’s us back to normal. 
 

In someways that when the real problems start as we lift our heads from the immediate thread of COVID and fully understand the extent of the damage. 
 

Personally, would rather we came singularly for a variety of reasons but that’s seems unlikely under current plans 

Yes i agree

27 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

We'd all rather be at level 0 but it's not a very realistic target for April at present.

Yes i understand that I meant eventually. Ive never heard anyone from SG actually state that they are aspiring to be back to normality. It always seems to be at a level 1 . 2 . 3 etc.  Unlike BJ. 

19 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 They are aspiring to level 0.  It's the aspiration to be realised by not... like... haring straight from lockdown to level 0,  all in one fell swoop.  

 

Everyone will get level 0 by everyone playing a part and sharing the burden of going from one stage to the next as the virus and our interventions allow.

 

You would think it would be quite a simple concept.

NO i didnt think we would get out in one feel swoop. I didnt say that. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

A genuine concern I have is that under level 0 rules there are still very substantial restrictions.  I haven’t seen anyone outline a plan for zero restrictions.  
 

for example, under level zero you still can’t meet a group of mates and go for a beer.  That’s not life as normal.  

Exactly there has been no discussion or planning regarding zero restrictions. Thats my concern , People just accepting the crumbs of each level...there has to be a plan for zero restrictions.  What is the critieria?????? 

[Victorian]

5 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

A genuine concern I have is that under level 0 rules there are still very substantial restrictions.  I haven’t seen anyone outline a plan for zero restrictions.  
 

for example, under level zero you still can’t meet a group of mates and go for a beer.  That’s not life as normal.  

 

Scotland will have to harmonise with England at some point.  It's absolutely unavoidable.  Hopefully harmonise in a good context rather than England being forced to reinstate lockdown.

[Footballfirst]

 

[Nookie Bear]

Good to see the police helping out 😂

[kila]

Police leading the march

 

The unionists will be loving this coverage of Scotland! Shame it's meant to just be a fecking football game.

 

[Ray Gin]

31 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Exactly there has been no discussion or planning regarding zero restrictions. Thats my concern , People just accepting the crumbs of each level...there has to be a plan for zero restrictions.  What is the critieria?????? 

 

Why do they need to announce what zero restrictions will look like once there's no need for the Level system? There will be no restrictions and life will be back to normal.

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Why do they need to announce what zero restrictions will look like once there's no need for the Level system? There will be no restrictions and life will be back to normal.

 

I meant what criteria is there for zero restrictions ?  No cases ? sorry infections, no deaths.?  no one in IC?  . no one in hospital?  What is the endgame ? What will be an acceptable compromise to have zero restrictions? 

[Ray Gin]

Just now, JamesM48 said:

I meant what criteria is there for zero restrictions ?  No cases ? sorry infections, no deaths.?  no one in IC?  . no one in hospital?  What is the endgame ? What will be an acceptable compromise to have zero restrictions? 

 

Once the vaccination programme is complete would be my guess.

[JudyJudyJudy]

Just now, Ray Gin said:

 

Once the vaccination programme is complete would be my guess.

Yes I would hope that would be the major indicator. 

[Footballfirst]

50 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Exactly there has been no discussion or planning regarding zero restrictions. Thats my concern , People just accepting the crumbs of each level...there has to be a plan for zero restrictions.  What is the critieria?????? 

The WHO guidelines look like the criteria that will be used.

[Jamhammer]

So. Went back to work Monday after 10 days isolation. Out for a walk with the dog this avvy. Phone pings. Test and trace app. Was in close contact with a positive case Thursday. Another 10 days isolation 

To think I thought 2021 had to be better than last year 

[Doctor FinnBarr]

1 hour ago, Gizmo said:

You'd put your garden variety hun scumbag in a terrible position, simultaneously foaming at the gash at the sight of the British Army in George Square whilst resisting their attempts to give them a long overdue bath. 

 

I remember reading a report from a squaddie about the first shots fired at the army during the 70s. He reported that rioters were singing GSTQ as the army were taking cover from snipers.

[JudyJudyJudy]

11 minutes ago, Jamhammer said:

So. Went back to work Monday after 10 days isolation. Out for a walk with the dog this avvy. Phone pings. Test and trace app. Was in close contact with a positive case Thursday. Another 10 days isolation 

To think I thought 2021 had to be better than last year 

Jesus what’s the odd of that ! Hopefully you’ll be fine