Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Jambo-Jimbo]

18 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

 

We'd do it a few months too late and then lie about how we'd done the correct thing.

 

Sturgeon would say after the fact that she'd have done it earlier despite it not being in her control.

 

Wales would just moan about something broadly unrelated and NI would largely go about their own business.

 

You are probably not that far from the truth there. 😄

[JudyJudyJudy]

An older friend who isn’t online is wondering what time does tier 4 start in Scotland . I think it’s after midnight Xmas day ? 

[CavySlaveJambo]

3 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

An older friend who isn’t online is wondering what time does tier 4 start in Scotland . I think it’s after midnight Xmas day ? 

0:01 on the 26th 

[Enzo Chiefo]

3 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

An older friend who isn’t online is wondering what time does tier 4 start in Scotland . I think it’s after midnight Xmas day ? 

Yes,  just after midnight on the 25th James

[JudyJudyJudy]

Cheers for the replies 

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Yes,  just after midnight on the 25th James

Yeah he’s older friend but his lifeline is the gym which helps his mental as well as physical health . Absolutely disgraceful closing  lifelines such as this really , bingo Halls too are a great place for older people to feel less isolated etc but they have been closed for months . Not so keen on the gambling aspect of it though . 

[Enzo Chiefo]

28 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Yeah he’s older friend but his lifeline is the gym which helps his mental as well as physical health . Absolutely disgraceful closing  lifelines such as this really , bingo Halls too are a great place for older people to feel less isolated etc but they have been closed for months . Not so keen on the gambling aspect of it though . 

Yes, completely agree with that. The tier guidelines are illogical and target the wrong areas. I was at the barber yesterday and she said not a single call had been made to the shop from track & trace, going back to the re-opening in July. Not one case. She also said any further lockdown will see the shop going out of business. It's absolute madness. 

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, the general said:

 

Grosvenor Bar and Fox and Fauna are both open i think

I was in the Grosvenor, I saw a sign saying they served takeaway after 6 which I didn’t think was possible. 

[redjambo]

Scottish numbers: 20 December 2020

Summary

• 934* new cases of COVID-19 reported [+362]
• 3 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends) [-38]
• 58 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+5]

• 1,061 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+28]

• 20,923* new tests for COVID-19 that reported results – 5.1% of these were positive [+5,006; +1.1%]

*Testing figures may have been affected due to issues with data transfer from NHS Grampian and NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde labs over the weekend. Additionally, it appears that the increased number of new cases today (when compared with 572 reported yesterday) may be due to a catch up of a backlog of data.

[kila]

1 minute ago, jonesy said:

Well, at least there's a bit of fight in this thread...

 

 

 

[redjambo]

Latest 7-day case rates around the councils.

 

		7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Today	Yesterday				18 Dec	17 Dec	16 Dec	15 Dec	14 Dec
North Ayrshire	3	175	160	+15			174	194	191	185	181
Aberdeen City	3	163	150	+13			162	166	154	157	144
East Ayrshire	3	153	160	-7			159	171	183	170	175
Clackmannanshire	3	148	138	+10			173	167	171	194	188
East Lothian	3	148	146	+2			147	148	150	150	136
Midlothian	3	136	142	-6			151	176	190	182	163
Glasgow City	3	129	122	+7			140	143	145	154	154
Perth and Kinross	3	126	116	+10			143	124	127	116	113
South Lanarkshire	3	120	119	+1			122	133	135	145	141
West Dunbartonshire	3	120	102	+18			99	105	93	96	94
North Lanarkshire	3	119	129	-10			133	141	146	152	144
Renfrewshire	3	116	106	+10			121	141	136	144	145
Dundee City	3	113	125	-12			146	149	155	159	165
Edinburgh City	3	109	106	+3			112	113	111	112	109
East Renfrewshire	3	101	91	+10			109	109	111	128	130
South Ayrshire	3	98	96	+2			99	118	126	123	123
Fife	3	97	100	-3			118	128	134	139	133
Aberdeenshire	3	88	79	+9			82	84	80	85	80
Scottish Borders	1	85	87	-2			100	92	92	89	87
West Lothian	3	83	87	-4			89	92	97	104	110
East Dunbartonshire	3	70	67	+3			78	86	90	109	100
Stirling	3	70	62	+8			67	67	76	80	84
Falkirk	2	60	64	-4			65	70	87	90	91
Inverclyde	2	59	54	+5			64	66	60	59	51
Angus	2	37	37	0			45	47	49	59	60
Dumfries & Galloway	1	32	26	+6			29	24	19	22	21
Argyll and Bute	2	29	28	+1			33	37	33	35	33
Na h-Eileanan Siar	1	22	19	+3			15	15	30	26	22
Highland	1	17	17	0			18	17	17	19	17
Moray	1	13	17	-4			19	21	19	17	21
Orkney Islands	1	0	0	0			0	0	0	0	0
Shetland Islands	1	0	0	0			0	0	0	0	0
Scotland		98	96	+2			105	111	111	115	111

[Carl Fredrickson]

2 minutes ago, redjambo said:

Latest 7-day case rates around the councils.

 

		7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Today	Yesterday				18 Dec	17 Dec	16 Dec	15 Dec	14 Dec
North Ayrshire	3	175	160	+15			174	194	191	185	181
Aberdeen City	3	163	150	+13			162	166	154	157	144
East Ayrshire	3	153	160	-7			159	171	183	170	175
Clackmannanshire	3	148	138	+10			173	167	171	194	188
East Lothian	3	148	146	+2			147	148	150	150	136
Midlothian	3	136	142	-6			151	176	190	182	163
Glasgow City	3	129	122	+7			140	143	145	154	154
Perth and Kinross	3	126	116	+10			143	124	127	116	113
South Lanarkshire	3	120	119	+1			122	133	135	145	141
West Dunbartonshire	3	120	102	+18			99	105	93	96	94
North Lanarkshire	3	119	129	-10			133	141	146	152	144
Renfrewshire	3	116	106	+10			121	141	136	144	145
Dundee City	3	113	125	-12			146	149	155	159	165
Edinburgh City	3	109	106	+3			112	113	111	112	109
East Renfrewshire	3	101	91	+10			109	109	111	128	130
South Ayrshire	3	98	96	+2			99	118	126	123	123
Fife	3	97	100	-3			118	128	134	139	133
Aberdeenshire	3	88	79	+9			82	84	80	85	80
Scottish Borders	1	85	87	-2			100	92	92	89	87
West Lothian	3	83	87	-4			89	92	97	104	110
East Dunbartonshire	3	70	67	+3			78	86	90	109	100
Stirling	3	70	62	+8			67	67	76	80	84
Falkirk	2	60	64	-4			65	70	87	90	91
Inverclyde	2	59	54	+5			64	66	60	59	51
Angus	2	37	37	0			45	47	49	59	60
Dumfries & Galloway	1	32	26	+6			29	24	19	22	21
Argyll and Bute	2	29	28	+1			33	37	33	35	33
Na h-Eileanan Siar	1	22	19	+3			15	15	30	26	22
Highland	1	17	17	0			18	17	17	19	17
Moray	1	13	17	-4			19	21	19	17	21
Orkney Islands	1	0	0	0			0	0	0	0	0
Shetland Islands	1	0	0	0			0	0	0	0	0
Scotland		98	96	+2			105	111	111	115	111

 

Cheers Red (and we have just scored!")

[The Real Maroonblood]

9 minutes ago, redjambo said:

Latest 7-day case rates around the councils.

 

		7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Today	Yesterday				18 Dec	17 Dec	16 Dec	15 Dec	14 Dec
North Ayrshire	3	175	160	+15			174	194	191	185	181
Aberdeen City	3	163	150	+13			162	166	154	157	144
East Ayrshire	3	153	160	-7			159	171	183	170	175
Clackmannanshire	3	148	138	+10			173	167	171	194	188
East Lothian	3	148	146	+2			147	148	150	150	136
Midlothian	3	136	142	-6			151	176	190	182	163
Glasgow City	3	129	122	+7			140	143	145	154	154
Perth and Kinross	3	126	116	+10			143	124	127	116	113
South Lanarkshire	3	120	119	+1			122	133	135	145	141
West Dunbartonshire	3	120	102	+18			99	105	93	96	94
North Lanarkshire	3	119	129	-10			133	141	146	152	144
Renfrewshire	3	116	106	+10			121	141	136	144	145
Dundee City	3	113	125	-12			146	149	155	159	165
Edinburgh City	3	109	106	+3			112	113	111	112	109
East Renfrewshire	3	101	91	+10			109	109	111	128	130
South Ayrshire	3	98	96	+2			99	118	126	123	123
Fife	3	97	100	-3			118	128	134	139	133
Aberdeenshire	3	88	79	+9			82	84	80	85	80
Scottish Borders	1	85	87	-2			100	92	92	89	87
West Lothian	3	83	87	-4			89	92	97	104	110
East Dunbartonshire	3	70	67	+3			78	86	90	109	100
Stirling	3	70	62	+8			67	67	76	80	84
Falkirk	2	60	64	-4			65	70	87	90	91
Inverclyde	2	59	54	+5			64	66	60	59	51
Angus	2	37	37	0			45	47	49	59	60
Dumfries & Galloway	1	32	26	+6			29	24	19	22	21
Argyll and Bute	2	29	28	+1			33	37	33	35	33
Na h-Eileanan Siar	1	22	19	+3			15	15	30	26	22
Highland	1	17	17	0			18	17	17	19	17
Moray	1	13	17	-4			19	21	19	17	21
Orkney Islands	1	0	0	0			0	0	0	0	0
Shetland Islands	1	0	0	0			0	0	0	0	0
Scotland		98	96	+2			105	111	111	115	111

👍

[Nucky Thompson]

Felt a bit deflated with all this shit this morning and couldn't get myself up for the final.

I don't know how I feel now after watching the game. I should be suicidal, but I actually feel more upbeat.

Just going to get pished regardless

[Taffin]

9 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Felt a bit deflated with all this shit this morning and couldn't get myself up for the final.

I don't know how I feel now after watching the game. I should be suicidal, but I actually feel more upbeat.

Just going to get pished regardless

 

Glad you feel more upbeat 👍

 

I'm the same a bit. Through the wringer watching that. Joy, despair and real sadness at the Marius tribute. Felt nice to actually feel some emotions though after a year of not really caring about anything. I guess it reminded me I'm still alive.

[Carl Fredrickson]

19 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

@redjambodespite tier 4 for all, would be good if you kept tables going. It’s a glimpse at a glance. (That’s a compliment👍)

 

I agree. The tables are very much appreciated and are great for me and no doubt others to see the state of play. 

[redjambo]

22 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

@redjambodespite tier 4 for all, would be good if you kept tables going. It’s a glimpse at a glance. (That’s a compliment👍)

 

4 minutes ago, Carl Fredrickson said:

 

I agree. The tables are very much appreciated and are great for me and no doubt others to see the state of play. 

 

No problem, I plan to do exactly that. Looking forward to seeing those figures coming down as quickly as my spirits at the end of the game.

[Carl Fredrickson]

1 minute ago, redjambo said:

 

 

No problem, I plan to do exactly that. Looking forward to seeing those figures coming down as quickly as my spirits at the end of the game.

 

Cheers. Next few days will hopefully not result in a spike as folk go panic buying before Boxing Day. Dont let the result today get you down - great effort but fell just short.

[redjambo]

42 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Felt a bit deflated with all this shit this morning and couldn't get myself up for the final.

I don't know how I feel now after watching the game. I should be suicidal, but I actually feel more upbeat.

Just going to get pished regardless

 

Sorry to hear that, Nucky (that you were deflated, not that you're feeling more upbeat now ). If it's of any consolation, I'm actually reasonably confident that the end is in sight. Our family is going to get together for a big Easter blow-out instead of Christmas and the thought of looking forward to it will hopefully help keep me going over the winter months.

[redjambo]

2 minutes ago, Carl Fredrickson said:

 

Cheers. Next few days will hopefully not result in a spike as folk go panic buying before Boxing Day. Dont let the result today get you down - great effort but fell just short.

 

Been there too many times before to let it get me down for too long. I just feel a bit like Sisyphus sometimes supporting Hearts. It does make the successes that much sweeter though.

 

 

[redjambo]

1 minute ago, Lord BJ said:

it was a sore one today, no doubt. 
 

On a more general point, selling a message of obey the rules and you will go down at a tier is a impossible to sell. 
 

Stirling, West Lothian and East Dumbartonshire you reward for all your efforts is stricter restrictions. 
 

The tiers are done before they even started

 

I know some folk on here don't like the tiers. I do, although I feel they weren't applied in a fully open, fair and timely fashion. I think the SG should have been adamant in emphasising that the post-Boxing day restrictions will be temporary and that the tiers will continue as is at the end. Otherwise, as you say, they've sold the tiers down the river.

[Taffin]

2 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

I know some folk on here don't like the tiers. I do, although I feel they weren't applied in a fully open, fair and timely fashion. I think the SG should have been adamant in emphasising that the post-Boxing day restrictions will be temporary and that the tiers will continue as is at the end. Otherwise, as you say, they've sold the tiers down the river.

 

I like the tiers but the governments (both north and south of the border) have completely undermined them with the lit application and also with comments like 'covid doesn't respect boundaries'...in which case surely tiers are a non-starter

[Jambo-Jimbo]

Sky News saying that this new strain has been detected in Belgium, Denmark & the Netherlands.

 

That being the case, not much point banning flights to and from the UK by a growing list of European countries.

 

Horse......stable door springs to mind

[frankblack]

53 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Felt a bit deflated with all this shit this morning and couldn't get myself up for the final.

I don't know how I feel now after watching the game. I should be suicidal, but I actually feel more upbeat.

Just going to get pished regardless

 

To be honest, I felt exactly the same, and turned the TV off in the first half as I really wasn't in a good frame of mind.

 

To be isolated now for three weeks from Saturday with everything bar food shops shut as I start my time off is truly depressing.

 

The economy up here is ****ed.  I expect a substantial number of small businesses closing, and bigger businesses won't touch Scotland with a bargepole with people running the country into the ground.

 

The key thing I took from watching yesterday's press conference was the moving of Schools and Unis to online learning.  Was that the SG finally admitting that massaging their statistics to hide these figures is just not working and they are in fact super spreaders?  Some journalists seriously need to ask questions here to find out the truth.

[frankblack]

2 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

Sky News saying that this new strain has been detected in Belgium, Denmark & the Netherlands.

 

That being the case, not much point banning flights to and from the UK by a growing list of European countries.

 

Horse......stable door springs to mind

 

The UK should be banning flights overseas for all but essential travel full stop and looking to create quarantine hotels for any arrivals to ensure they serve their quarantine period.

Edited December 20, 2020 by frankblack

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 minute ago, frankblack said:

 

The UK should be banning flights overseas for all but essential travel full stop and looking to create quarantine hotels for any arrivals to ensure they serve their quarantine period.

 

Should have been like that since March.

[Toxteth O'Grady]

We’ve had a lockdown and levels and tiers. They might have suppressed levels a bit but it has been a farcical mess.

 

Compliance must be falling with every frequent rule change.

 
 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, Taffin said:

 

Glad you feel more upbeat 👍

 

I'm the same a bit. Through the wringer watching that. Joy, despair and real sadness at the Marius tribute. Felt nice to actually feel some emotions though after a year of not really caring about anything. I guess it reminded me I'm still alive.

Same 

[JudyJudyJudy]

40 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

it was a sore one today, no doubt. 
 

On a more general point, selling a message of obey the rules and you will go down at a tier is a impossible to sell. 
 

Stirling, West Lothian and East Dumbartonshire you reward for all your efforts is stricter restrictions. 
 

The tiers are done before they even started

 

 

Very true. Highland as well must be asking what they did wrong as well. 

[Cade]

All this moving up and down Tiers like some sort of grim football league is counter-productive.

People can't keep track of what Tier they're in, when it's changing, what all the different rules are and what Tiers the surrounding areas are in.

Rather than giving areas of lesser infection more freedom, it's just increasing non-compliance in ALL areas and feelings of injustice.

 

The entire UK had a chance in MARCH to do a full, complete and total nationwide lockdown for 3-4 weeks and really put this thing down.

Instead it's been NINE MONTHS of half-ersed wishy-washy lockdowns with little or no enforcement and then coming out too soon then failing to do another proper lockdown after infection rates soared again.

 

And now we have a far more infectious strain to deal with.

 

This past fortnight has seen Santa Boris trying to gain favour with the masses by ignoring the soaring infection rates and the pleading of scientists and experts just so he could allow the public to mingle around for 5 days.

Only for reality to hit and Christmas to be cancelled after all.

 

It's been handled appallingly in the UK, in all of the 4 nations.

 

Edited December 20, 2020 by Cade

[Dagger Is Back]

1 hour ago, frankblack said:

 

The UK should be banning flights overseas for all but essential travel full stop and looking to create quarantine hotels for any arrivals to ensure they serve their quarantine period.

Should have done this at the start but I agree. We won’t though. We’ll continue on this soft touch @@@@ that’s got us in this position

 

Absolutely no balls 

[Dagger Is Back]

58 minutes ago, Cade said:

All this moving up and down Tiers like some sort of grim football league is counter-productive.

People can't keep track of what Tier they're in, when it's changing, what all the different rules are and what Tiers the surrounding areas are in.

Rather than giving areas of lesser infection more freedom, it's just increasing non-compliance in ALL areas and feelings of injustice.

 

The entire UK had a chance in MARCH to do a full, complete and total nationwide lockdown for 3-4 weeks and really put this thing down.

Instead it's been NINE MONTHS of half-ersed wishy-washy lockdowns with little or no enforcement and then coming out too soon then failing to do another proper lockdown after infection rates soared again.

 

And now we have a far more infectious strain to deal with.

 

This past fortnight has seen Santa Boris trying to gain favour with the masses by ignoring the soaring infection rates and the pleading of scientists and experts just so he could allow the public to mingle around for 5 days.

Only for reality to hit and Christmas to be cancelled after all.

 

It's been handled appallingly in the UK, in all of the 4 nations.

 

👏👏

[Victorian]

I see someone is back on the CV thread after earlier popping over to the match thread to have a snidey wee dig at people from the CV thread being on the match thread as a break from the CV thread.  

 

 

[OBE]

2 hours ago, Taffin said:

 

Glad you feel more upbeat 👍

 

I'm the same a bit. Through the wringer watching that. Joy, despair and real sadness at the Marius tribute. Felt nice to actually feel some emotions though after a year of not really caring about anything. I guess it reminded me I'm still alive.

 

I'm fortunate, all I do is open my eyes, take a look about me and I instantly know I ain't ***kin deid...I owe too much to too many fellow millionaires, ***k knows what'll happen when I sober up or when the debts are paid...slange!

[The Mighty Thor]

1 hour ago, frankblack said:

 

The UK should be banning flights overseas for all but essential travel full stop and looking to create quarantine hotels for any arrivals to ensure they serve their quarantine period.

This

1 hour ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Should have been like that since March.

And this.

 

 

 

[The Mighty Thor]

1 hour ago, Cade said:

All this moving up and down Tiers like some sort of grim football league is counter-productive.

People can't keep track of what Tier they're in, when it's changing, what all the different rules are and what Tiers the surrounding areas are in.

Rather than giving areas of lesser infection more freedom, it's just increasing non-compliance in ALL areas and feelings of injustice.

 

The entire UK had a chance in MARCH to do a full, complete and total nationwide lockdown for 3-4 weeks and really put this thing down.

Instead it's been NINE MONTHS of half-ersed wishy-washy lockdowns with little or no enforcement and then coming out too soon then failing to do another proper lockdown after infection rates soared again.

 

And now we have a far more infectious strain to deal with.

 

This past fortnight has seen Santa Boris trying to gain favour with the masses by ignoring the soaring infection rates and the pleading of scientists and experts just so he could allow the public to mingle around for 5 days.

Only for reality to hit and Christmas to be cancelled after all.

 

It's been handled appallingly in the UK, in all of the 4 nations.

 

Like I said last night, every time they've had a choice to make on tackling this virus, they've chosen the wrong option. 

If we're going to lockdown then lockdown. Shut everything for 4 weeks. January is a fecking shiter anyway. 

See where we are at that point then reopen what needs to reopen. If it can be done from home then its done from home (schools, universities). Its time to stop fannying about. 

[Cade]

And Sweden, the darling of the "personal freedom" right-wing loons, has introduced much tougher rules after the King personally got involved and ripped into the Government's lax response.

 

 

[Nucky Thompson]

26 minutes ago, Cade said:

And Sweden, the darling of the "personal freedom" right-wing loons, has introduced much tougher rules after the King personally got involved and ripped into the Government's lax response.

 

 

Right wing, left wing. Give it a fecking rest with your pish.

 

We'll all need to get out of this no matter what wing you fly with

 

[Der Kaiser]

I bit into a bar of soap in the shower last night.....just to try and trigger some sort of taste.

 

Nothing. I'm really beginning to worry this is going to be long-term.

 

Oh.....and its the same consistency as a cheap macaroon bar in case you are wondering.

[Nucky Thompson]

4 minutes ago, Der Kaiser said:

I bit into a bar of soap in the shower last night.....just to try and trigger some sort of taste.

 

Nothing. I'm really beginning to worry this is going to be long-term.

 

Oh.....and its the same consistency as a cheap macaroon bar in case you are wondering.

Try sipping some pickled onion vinegar. Surely you'll be able to taste that 

[frankblack]

5 minutes ago, Der Kaiser said:

I bit into a bar of soap in the shower last night.....just to try and trigger some sort of taste.

 

Nothing. I'm really beginning to worry this is going to be long-term.

 

Oh.....and its the same consistency as a cheap macaroon bar in case you are wondering.

Perhaps trying a vindaloo might fire the senses back up?*

 

* I have no medical training.

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, Victorian said:

I see someone is back on the CV thread after earlier popping over to the match thread to have a snidey wee dig at people from the CV thread being on the match thread as a break from the CV thread.  

 

 

Oh I wonder what that is ? 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, Victorian said:

I see someone is back on the CV thread after earlier popping over to the match thread to have a snidey wee dig at people from the CV thread being on the match thread as a break from the CV thread.  

 

 

Your obviously not a happy bunnie after your ridiculous comment on that thread saying today’s defeat was worse than Dens park . You rightly got pelted for it 👍

[JudyJudyJudy]

Nice to see Zal get a mention on the obituary thingy on “ sports personality of the year “ dunno who is singing the Charlie Chaplin classic “ smile “ but she’s murdering it ! ( not covid related) but couldn’t be bothered going to other thread 

[Nucky Thompson]

Bojo to chair a COBRA meeting tomorrow

[Hesh]

3 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Nice to see Zal get a mention on the obituary thingy on “ sports personality of the year “ dunno who is singing the Charlie Chaplin classic “ smile “ but she’s murdering it ! ( not covid related) but couldn’t be bothered going to other thread 

this, great pic to use 

[JudyJudyJudy]

10 minutes ago, Hesh said:

this, great pic to use 

Cheered me up to see him get a mention . Very respectful on today of days . 

[Tommy Brown]

50 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Nice to see Zal get a mention on the obituary thingy on “ sports personality of the year “ dunno who is singing the Charlie Chaplin classic “ smile “ but she’s murdering it ! ( not covid related) but couldn’t be bothered going to other thread 

Which thread? The CV thread or the match thread.

[Tommy Brown]

3 hours ago, Cade said:

All this moving up and down Tiers like some sort of grim football league is counter-productive.

People can't keep track of what Tier they're in, when it's changing, what all the different rules are and what Tiers the surrounding areas are in.

Rather than giving areas of lesser infection more freedom, it's just increasing non-compliance in ALL areas and feelings of injustice.

 

The entire UK had a chance in MARCH to do a full, complete and total nationwide lockdown for 3-4 weeks and really put this thing down.

Instead it's been NINE MONTHS of half-ersed wishy-washy lockdowns with little or no enforcement and then coming out too soon then failing to do another proper lockdown after infection rates soared again.

 

And now we have a far more infectious strain to deal with.

 

This past fortnight has seen Santa Boris trying to gain favour with the masses by ignoring the soaring infection rates and the pleading of scientists and experts just so he could allow the public to mingle around for 5 days.

Only for reality to hit and Christmas to be cancelled after all.

 

It's been handled appallingly in the UK, in all of the 4 nations.

 

Agree with Santa Boris and wishy washy lockdowns.

 

The whole world would need to lockdown. As soon as we came out, it would spread again. 

 

Vaccine is only thing to control it, now. That's going to take a good time.

 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Tommy Brown said:

Agree with Santa Boris and wishy washy lockdowns.

 

The whole world would need to lockdown. As soon as we came out, it would spread again. 

 

Vaccine is only thing to control it, now. That's going to take a good time.

 

 

 

Next week we may have approval of the 'Oxford' vaccine

 

That will be a UK game changer (AND OTHER COUNTRIES)....but even then it will take some time...allowing for 2 jabs by the end of March we may see an impact on the figures and life move to 'normal'....Summer before we truly have confidence in the process and that will depend on those people unwilling to vaccinate as well

 

Just now lets get the most vulnerable looked after with front line staff vaccinated to give them and their families confidence

 

Mind you can we have faith in the roll out of the vaccine to the population given this governments failures so far...and I include our FM in that