Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

7 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

The devolved nations meet again tomorrow to discuss Christmas.

Robert Peston reckons England, Wales and NI will not change their plans

The pressure will intensify as the week goes on. If they let Christmas ride, they really can’t expect people to follow any rules going forward. It’s an admission that their priority is to do what keeps Daily Mail readers happy 

[Governor Tarkin]

7 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Surely being from Aberdeen, you should know them all, no?

 

What? The sheep or the jokes?

[redjambo]

Just now, Governor Tarkin said:

 

What? The sheep or the jokes?

 

[Maroon Sailor]

7 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

The devolved nations meet again tomorrow to discuss Christmas.

Robert Peston reckons England, Wales and NI will not change their plans

 

Is the FM planning on going to Ayrshire for Christmas ?

 

[sadj]

12 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Surely being from Aberdeen, you should know them all, no?

I am not from AberdeenI just live near there , @Sir Gio on the otherhand...

[sadj]

5 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

What? The sheep or the jokes?

🤣🤣

[Governor Tarkin]

4 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Thank **** I had the foresight to invest in a Heineken Blade Draft Beer Machine. The pub is never shut in ma hoose. 

 

I ended up not getting one after all but I have two subs. Morretti in a tall, frosted glass is absolutely divine, and Gandolf IPA on the other if I fancy something punchier. I keep the torps in their own fridge ar 2° so they're always ready to go. Love it.

[GinRummy]

3 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

I ended up not getting one after all but I have two subs. Morretti in a tall, frosted glass is absolutely divine, and Gandolf IPA on the other if I fancy something punchier. I keep the torps in their own fridge ar 2° so they're always ready to go. Love it.

My pal has the sub and that’s what I was trying to get hold of. Sold out for weeks so the Mrs donated the extra for a Xmas pressie to get the blade. Delighted. 
 

Only tried Tiger and Moretti so far. Both great. 

Edited December 15, 2020 by GinRummy

[frankblack]

1 hour ago, Maroon Sailor said:

 

About time lower league clubs and non league clubs were allowed fans in

 

Bonnyrigg v Edinburgh Uni tonight- be nice to get to a football match were social distancing won't be an issue

 

Won't you have to keep away from the Edinburgh Uni students? 🤔

[kila]

11 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Thank **** I had the foresight to invest in a Heineken Blade Draft Beer Machine. The pub is never shut in ma hoose. 

 

It will be when you get burgled as word spreads your house is the only one left in the vicinity that has some booze left.

 

 

[redjambo]

Just now, kila said:

 

It will be when you get burgled as word spreads your house is the only one left in the vicinity that has some booze left.

 

 

Booze. The new gold.

[Maroon Sailor]

2 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

Won't you have to keep away from the Edinburgh Uni students? 🤔

 

They've got no fans

 

 

Edited December 15, 2020 by Maroon Sailor

[GinRummy]

Just now, kila said:

 

It will be when you get burgled as word spreads your house is the only one left in the vicinity that has some booze left.

 

 

Will be too pissed to care. 

[Nucky Thompson]

The Moderna vaccine going to be the 2nd vaccine authorised in the USA

 

 Moderna vaccine safe and effective, say US experts - BBC News

 

 

 

[Maroon Sailor]

9 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

Already said she is not. 

 

Still got another review next week.

 

Expect cases for Ayrshire to drop dramatically

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

apparently almost everyone who has tested positive in a community setting had eaten in the previous week

 

the only conclusion that can be drawn is that covid is being passed onto the food during processing / packaging / transportation stage and then the poor people are literally putting covid into their systems via the medium of eating 

 

an even more powerful stat than the shopping one and even more concerning

 

 

 

[Pasquale for King]

48 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Sorry, Heriot Watt. 

The outbreak was about 2 weeks ago, but it seems to be under control the last couple of days.

They had a mobile testing unit and tested everyone, staff and students

 

I work with some students from there and a couple that are involved with the football teams, there’s been a few minor outbreaks since July. 

[Pasquale for King]

12 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

For those saying it’s a University spike in Edinburgh, where would you expect to see these numbers high? I don’t know Edinburgh well enough to know where students live, I do in Glasgow and Stirling, they are not showing as high in those areas. HW not a high area now either. 

Last month every area in Edinburgh that has a high proportion of students had the highest amount of cases unfortunately. Fountainbridge & Dalry, and the Southside. There’s also been small outbreaks at Pollock Halls and Heriot Watt where the first years live. 
 

Look at this.https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-the-universities-affected-by-covid-19-outbreaks-12081627

Edited December 15, 2020 by Pasquale for King

[GinRummy]

8 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

For those saying it’s a University spike in Edinburgh, where would you expect to see these numbers high? I don’t know Edinburgh well enough to know where students live, I do in Glasgow and Stirling, they are not showing as high in those areas. HW not a high area now either. 

Southside, morningside, bruntsfield, leith. Edinburgh normally full of students. 

[steve123]

9 minutes ago, jonesy said:

If they change the Christmas 'rules' now then, astonishingly, my opinion of them will manage to plumb new, deeper depths than I ever thought possible.

 

Just like when they opened stuff up - get yerselves into shops and restaurants, everyone, do your bit! - we all knew that numbers would rise. It's hardly rocket science to figure that increased person to person contact will result in increased spreading of viruses.

 

The question that should, but won't be asked, is why were these 'relaxations' were agreed upon in the first place given the straightforward prediction that numbers would have risen given a) compliance fatigue; b) increased time spent indoors; c) end of English lockdown 2; d) Christmas shopping resulting in more people in closer proximity in shops and public transport?

 

Could it possibly be that this whole situation was planned in advance, with the relaxation being announced to buy politicians time back in November, and the 'tightening' of restrictions again, barely a week before an already compromised Christmas for anyone with mates and a family that consists of more than three households, ushered in by a harpie-like media who lurch from one sensationalist, doom-mongering headline to the next, often within a 60-minute news cycle. Meanwhile, the nodding dogs - from behind their sofas - happily have a new set of rules to comply with and stats to pore over to prove themselves 'vindicated'. 

They will not change it I don't think, they will just up the language and hammer home killing your granny or wait to celebrate Christmas in July etc .

 

It is quite ironic when grandparents are still allowed to provide child care etc, as mentioned before I think everyone needs to make their own sensible choices as grown adults.

[Jambo 4 Ever]

1 hour ago, Maroon Sailor said:

Places of worship remain open but cinemas are closed and watching lower tier football outside is not allowed either.

 

Yeah that makes sense

Football fans can’t be trusted to be socially distant if stuff happens during the game.  Too many people will shout or chant

Edited December 15, 2020 by Jambo 4 Ever

[Konrad von Carstein]

27 minutes ago, jonesy said:

 

Stop criticising NS. She's under a lot of stress/hasn't taken a day off since March/is only doing the right thing (delete as appropriate).

 

I also see that there's been a bit of an attempt to compare Sturgeon's SNP with Hitler's NSP. That's a bit unfair, too. At least old Adolf allowed his volk to roam around Europe.

Not remotely funny...poor from you...

[Maroon Sailor]

4 minutes ago, Jambo 4 Ever said:

Football fans can’t be trusted to be socially distant if stuff happens during the game.  Too many people will shout or chant

 

Could say the same walking along Princes Street or down Buchanan Street or pushing a trolley around a supermarket

 

200 fans in at lower league football is manageable

[GinRummy]

Just now, Brian Dundas said:

I checked the map from 30th September and the areas were completely different to the high areas now. 
 

So testing is not up and the areas are not the same as previous student outbreaks, but it must be the extra testing of students, according to some. 
 

I would suggest looking at the areas where it is spreading most just now it is folk getting pished up in each other’s houses. 

It could be that but I don’t really buy it tbh. The bevvy suddenly seems to be the answer to every Covid problem. Public transport, supermarkets, schools, care homes, workplaces, cafes etc seem to have been all but ignored and everything just put down to socialising. No idea what’s causing it but I doubt it’s just down to everyone getting pissed up in each other’s houses and I doubt anyone has data to prove that one way or another. 

[Dawnrazor]

Just now, jonesy said:

 

 

What's the difference between Sturgeon's favourite breakfast and... nah, not going there, in light of the above post 

😅 I can guess a couple of punchlines!

[GinRummy]

Just now, Brian Dundas said:

It could be a number of things, it is more likely to spread indoors where people are socialising. It seems to be most prevalent in less well off areas, this could be public transport, the fact they can’t work from home, it’s hard to tell. I was probably being judgemental tbh. 

In my experience of poorer areas (and I have a fair amount) they tend to be on the outskirts of town,  necessitating the use of public transport for longer periods, also shopping habits can be quite different, more folk using local shops. Something else that might be relevant is that In poorer areas people are less healthy in the first place maybe meaning they get more severe symptoms so more cases are identified, though that’s just a theory. 

[Konrad von Carstein]

9 minutes ago, jonesy said:

 Sorry for disappointing, KvC.

 

What's the difference between Sturgeon's favourite breakfast and... nah, not going there, in light of the above post 

 

Do better...you're more than capable...

 

 

 

[Pasquale for King]

20 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

It could be that but I don’t really buy it tbh. The bevvy suddenly seems to be the answer to every Covid problem. Public transport, supermarkets, schools, care homes, workplaces, cafes etc seem to have been all but ignored and everything just put down to socialising. No idea what’s causing it but I doubt it’s just down to everyone getting pissed up in each other’s houses and I doubt anyone has data to prove that one way or another. 

Got to be the poor people’s fault. 

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

30 minutes ago, jonesy said:

 

This guy's safe then: 

 

 

that link didn’t work for me mate but I’m assuming from your comment the guy doesn’t eat?

 

if so and more importantly if he doesn’t have covid it proves beyond all doubt now that eating causes covid

 

all the positives tests had eaten this guy doesn’t eat and covid-free stat proven

 

frightening stuff - obviously there is an indisputable link to going shopping as well as proven in earlier posts but this trumps even that

 

 

 

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

5 minutes ago, jonesy said:

It's just a Youtube link to a video of an enlightened bloke who, given these latest findings, is likely to be the last man standing once long-Covid has finished us all off. 

 

Just chucked away all the food in the fridge and cupboards to do my bit. 

 

wise move jonesy - the stats are overwhelming 

[GinRummy]

14 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Got to be the poor people’s fault. 

That’s absolutely not what I meant. I was discussing a couple of differences in living in rich areas and living in poorer areas and talking from experience. 

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

10 hours ago, Der Kaiser said:

I could kill folk just by being in their presence.

I can feel all that power coursing through me....

 

 

 

not impossible that you’ve not been part of a chain of infection that’s killed a granny or two in the past - same could be said for many/all of us

 

you’re not that special mate we all help to kill 1000s of old and vulnerable every winter

 

that said hope you get over this in double-quick time without any victims 👍

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

4 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

Only 0.08% of people who live in Scotland that eat food have dies within 28 days of a positive Covid test,  but 95% of them were recovered and unfortunately knocked down and killed by buses, so stay home, stay safe. 

 

i think the stat is approaching 100% for those in a community setting have eaten in the previous week - that’s higher than even the numbers going shopping

[Taffin]

3 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

That’s absolutely not what I meant. I was discussing a couple of differences in living in rich areas and living in poorer areas and talking from experience. 

 

If it is more prevalent in poorer areas, it seems like the plan to make people poorer by putting them out of work might not be the best idea 

[GinRummy]

Just now, Taffin said:

 

If it is more prevalent in poorer areas, it seems like the plan to make people poorer by putting them out of work might not be the best idea 

This whole thing is just going to widen the gap between rich and poor and squeeze everyone in between towards the latter. 

[Pasquale for King]

21 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

That’s not what’s he’s saying, I did kind of say it though, I’m now backtracking 

That’s what you said, I wasn’t aiming it at him. 

[Pasquale for King]

11 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

That’s absolutely not what I meant. I was discussing a couple of differences in living in rich areas and living in poorer areas and talking from experience. 

Sorry I was having a pop at Brian not you. 
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/coronavirus-cases-edinburgh-19437592

Edited December 15, 2020 by Pasquale for King

[Dawnrazor]

[GinRummy]

Just now, Pasquale for King said:

Sorry I was having a pop at Brian not you. 

👍Picked you up wrong

Edited December 15, 2020 by GinRummy

[Pasquale for King]

1 minute ago, GinRummy said:

👍Picked you up wrong

My fault I wasn’t clear, just didn’t seem any point saying it to him as he rarely replies. 
 

[hmfcbilly]

1 hour ago, steve123 said:

They will not change it I don't think, they will just up the language and hammer home killing your granny or wait to celebrate Christmas in July etc .

 

It is quite ironic when grandparents are still allowed to provide child care etc, as mentioned before I think everyone needs to make their own sensible choices as grown adults.

Nail on the head mate

[frankblack]

38 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

All distinctly possible. I fell into the blame game trap there, must to better. 
 

I am sure there are tons of social and economic reasons that are legitimate for why it’s spreading more in poorer areas. 
 

Doesn’t look like students or schools though. 

 

We can argue all year on what it looks like.  Its just speculation without the data, which "conveniently" lets the SG off the hook from scrutiny of the data.

[GinRummy]

1 minute ago, Brian Dundas said:

In that article does it tell me how many students currently are positive or at least at the time of publication? The numbers quoted in it are tiny. 

Young people with mild symptoms will probably not bother getting tested imo. 

[Pasquale for King]

17 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

In that article does it tell me how many students currently are positive or at least at the time of publication? The numbers quoted in it are tiny. 
 

 

Ive just checked out and those figures are from September, not relevant now. 

I didn’t say they were, I was just showing what areas where badly hit in student areas. 
This is now. 
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/coronavirus-cases-edinburgh-19437592

Edited December 15, 2020 by Pasquale for King

[Enzo Chiefo]

1 hour ago, jonesy said:

If they change the Christmas 'rules' now then, astonishingly, my opinion of them will manage to plumb new, deeper depths than I ever thought possible.

 

Just like when they opened stuff up - get yerselves into shops and restaurants, everyone, do your bit! - we all knew that numbers would rise. It's hardly rocket science to figure that increased person to person contact will result in increased spreading of viruses.

 

The question that should, but won't be asked, is why were these 'relaxations' were agreed upon in the first place given the straightforward prediction that numbers would have risen given a) compliance fatigue; b) increased time spent indoors; c) end of English lockdown 2; d) Christmas shopping resulting in more people in closer proximity in shops and public transport?

 

Could it possibly be that this whole situation was planned in advance, with the relaxation being announced to buy politicians time back in November, and the 'tightening' of restrictions again, barely a week before an already compromised Christmas for anyone with mates and a family that consists of more than three households, ushered in by a harpie-like media who lurch from one sensationalist, doom-mongering headline to the next, often within a 60-minute news cycle. Meanwhile, the nodding dogs - from behind their sofas - happily have a new set of rules to comply with and stats to pore over to prove themselves 'vindicated'. 

If you're asking whether the govt and their scientific captors are conniving enough to manipulate the stats and suddenly find new "strains" just to effect population control measures then yes, they are and it's playing out in front of our eyes. Most people can see through it but others are in full, hypnotic mode, hanging on their every instruction.

[Enzo Chiefo]

14 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

In that article does it tell me how many students currently are positive or at least at the time of publication? The numbers quoted in it are tiny. 
 

 

Ive just checked out and those figures are from September, not relevant now. 

522 school pupils,  students or nursery children tested positive in Scotland w/e 6 Dec.

[GinRummy]

12 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

I agree. 
 

So how can Edinburgh’s numbers be down to students testing positive then? Nothing indicates that in any available data and there is tons of it. 

It’s maybe not down to students. I’ve no idea what it’s down to. I think I joined the conversation at the point you asked where students lived. I’d say students have added to the numbers but I’ve no idea to what extent. I’d expect quite a lot at one point but more of a hunch than anything based on hard facts. 

[Nucky Thompson]

4 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

I agree. 
 

So how can Edinburgh’s numbers be down to students testing positive then? Nothing indicates that in any available data and there is tons of it. 

The only number that matters is test positivity percentage. Sturgeon conveniently left that figure out for Edinburgh at her briefing.

 

The data you posted earlier had it go from 4.2% to  5.2%. Still below the National average.

 

 

 

 

[Nucky Thompson]

10 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

That was the weekly average figure, it is 6.34 today, so it isn't as high as others but it is going up, it is also just below mid table on number of tests per population. If Edinburgh had been in two it might not have gone to 3 today, but it is one its way there if it had been.

We are always being told not to go on a single days data though.

 

I didn't expect Edinburgh to go down a tier today anyway

[Malinga the Swinga]

2 hours ago, jonesy said:

 

Stop criticising NS. She's under a lot of stress/hasn't taken a day off since March/is only doing the right thing (delete as appropriate).

 

I also see that there's been a bit of an attempt to compare Sturgeon's SNP with Hitler's NSP. That's a bit unfair, too. At least old Adolf allowed his volk to roam around Europe.

It's only funny if you make fun of Boris and Tories. Not allowed to slag off NS.