Harry Potter Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 1 minute ago, luckydug said: Why do people have to have such a blame culture ? I have sympathy for all our politicians, trying their best in a situation we have no prior experience of. Only thing I would say is perhaps the response to Covid should have been run as a coalition of all the parties. Then pointless political point scoring could have been avoided thus keeping everyone on board with decisions. But thats common sense bud, good idea, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spirt of 98 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 12 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said: Christmas is really getting some people’s knickers in a twist, the option is there to spend some family time together if you choose to. There is tons of information out there in how to make it as safe as possible and there are guidelines/restrictions so that there are not mass parties. If the rules are followed then it shouldn’t cause the massive spike everyone is afraid of. It’s very much up to families personal individual circumstances and choices. For example we have been shielding my dad who is 81 on Thursday for all these months, why risk it now when we are nearing the end. However we are instead having my in laws over as they don’t want to be on their own and we feel it should be safe. Nobody is forcing anyone to meet up. Not the point. If you were just affecting you self’s crack on. These decisions affect everyone from the man that wants to watch Hearts to the business owner on financial ruin. How many people have to die or lose a business for your Christmas???? you can argue the mental health card but come on how many lives is your Christmas worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horatio Caine Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, luckydug said: Why do people have to have such a blame culture ? I have sympathy for all our politicians, trying their best in a situation we have no prior experience of. Only thing I would say is perhaps the response to Covid should have been run as a coalition of all the parties. Then pointless political point scoring could have been avoided thus keeping everyone on board with decisions. Yup, I've said that all along. Why it wasn't done defeats me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 49 minutes ago, luckydug said: It's only a personal opinion. No need to get you UJ knickers in a twist. 😏 In the Premier League of made up shite, my post is way behind most of the claptrap spouted by yourself Enzo, Frank, and the rest of the right wing intelligencia on this forum. Yours isn't really a personal opinion - you are just blindly defending your beloved SNP government rather than having an open mind and being critical of its many serious mistakes in this shitshow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spirt of 98 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 8 minutes ago, Taffin said: Nobody has 10/20 Christmases guaranteed. We all succumb to something, for some that will be Covid and this year. Very, very few people who still have 10/20 years of life expectancy left will die from Covid this year however... especially if they themselves take responsibility for their own health. As I said, nobody is being forced to socialise. My great aunt won't be joining us as she's quite frail and getting on so we are all respecting her decision to not come. The rest of us are happy with the risk and as such will be spending Christmas together as a family. It’s not just you, you are risking!!! point is being missed by everyone that your actions have consequences for everyone. When will the silent majority snap with all these selfish people who have extended the pandemic for purely selfish reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 Some folk's heids are totally ruined by this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 Just now, spirt of 98 said: It’s not just you, you are risking!!! point is being missed by everyone that your actions have consequences for everyone. When will the silent majority snap with all these selfish people who have extended the pandemic for purely selfish reasons. Who else am I risking? I'm not bursting into anyone's house and standing 0.9m away from them. I'll be back at work and in the supermarket and that's about it. If anyone chooses to be close to me in either of those environments then so be it, it certainly won't be due to me approaching them. When you say selfish people, do you mean the people who want to decide what other people should and shouldn't do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Governor Tarkin said: Some folk's heids are totally ruined by this. Indeed. "You shouldn't do what you want but rather what I want...you selfish person" Go figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spirt of 98 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Taffin said: Who else am I risking? I'm not bursting into anyone's house and standing 0.9m away from them. I'll be back at work and in the supermarket and that's about it. If anyone chooses to be close to me in either of those environments then so be it, it certainly won't be due to me approaching them. When you say selfish people, do you mean the people who want to decide what other people should and shouldn't do? I ok. Side that’s how it works 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 10 minutes ago, luckydug said: I have sympathy for all our politicians, trying their best in a situation we have no prior experience of. Only thing I would say is perhaps the response to Covid should have been run as a coalition of all the parties. Then pointless political point scoring could have been avoided thus keeping everyone on board with decisions. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve123 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, luckydug said: Why do people have to have such a blame culture ? I have sympathy for all our politicians, trying their best in a situation we have no prior experience of. Only thing I would say is perhaps the response to Covid should have been run as a coalition of all the parties. Then pointless political point scoring could have been avoided thus keeping everyone on board with decisions. I don't have a blame culture I don't think any politician standing up in an elected house no matter their affiliation should be using scare tactics to justify actions they need to take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 20 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: Melt downs are mesmerising this morning. Im having both sets of parents across on Christmas Day. They are intent on seeing their grand kids on Christmas and short of refusing to let them in there is not too much I can really do. Plus wife’s invited them and everything, she’s much more fond of the old ***** than me 🤷🏻♂️ All 70 + typical ****ing boomers, selfish as ****. Christmas was happening, approved or not, this is an attempt to stop law abiding people becoming law breakers and ****ing the rules out the window and causing more damage in the long run. Imagine not be able to understand that 😂 I wouldn’t be overly surprised if they reduced the 5 day to a 2/3 day period in light of current developments. As an aside my mother nearly died a couple of times during lockdown. It’s been very interesting see the change in approach from her since her near death experience. She has moved very much from be a strict rule obeyer to life’s too short and what for you type mentality. Not every granny is scared of being killed by their grandkids, some seem to feel the risk is most definitely worth it. Especially when irrespective of COVID, it might be their last. It’s no obligatory folks, individual situations will be very different, the narrative of meeting granny and killing 20,000 people is a tad extreme. It’s a bit like screaming murderer at someone who jumps in a car Well said. It’s all total contradictory nonsense anyway. Right now grandparents are allowed to come round to peoples houses for childcare purposes but suddenly on Xmas day they shouldn’t be allowed anymore. Utter rubbish. If you don’t want to risk it no one is forcing you. I had a very direct chat with my dad who is early 70’s. His view was any risk was worth it to see the grandchildren this Xmas as who knows what might happen and he might not be here next year anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 8 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said: I will not be killing anyone at Christmas this year. Taking the day off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 8 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said: If we were in a position where any of us were likely to get the virus then we would not be having anyone in our house as it would be a risk, we are not taking any risks and even if all of us caught it we do not see other people in a way we pass it on to them. These are the assessments we all need to make. I will not be killing anyone at Christmas this year. Oh that's nice. How many have you killed over the last 15 or 20? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ainsley Harriott Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 January is going to be absolute chaos in the hospitals after all next weeks get togethers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said: January is going to be absolute chaos in the hospitals after all next weeks get togethers. I wont be kissing her mother this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ainsley Harriott Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, Harry Potter said: I wont be kissing her mother this year. What about her dad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 41 minutes ago, Taffin said: Nobody has 10/20 Christmases guaranteed. We all succumb to something, for some that will be Covid and this year. Very, very few people who still have 10/20 years of life expectancy left will die from Covid this year however... especially if they themselves take responsibility for their own health. As I said, nobody is being forced to socialise. My great aunt won't be joining us as she's quite frail and getting on so we are all respecting her decision to not come. The rest of us are happy with the risk and as such will be spending Christmas together as a family. Spot on but that doesn't suit the panic merchants agenda. The majority of those who die from Covid over Xmas will be in the same bracket as those who died before Xmas, ie: have lived past the national life expectancy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said: Living past national life expectancy doesn’t mean you are due to die or expendable. Correct. When I see people use those terms on here it makes me cringe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 1 hour ago, spirt of 98 said: There will be people who had 10/20 Christmases to go who won’t see the end of January 2021 due to this stupid decision. months and months of isolation ruined so folk can eat a Turkey with family. Aye that’s logical. Glad people are comfortable with this. Is this the sort of scene you are predicting all over the UK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Kaiser Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 I could kill folk just by being in their presence. I can feel all that power coursing through me.... But my head is sore and my back hurts today so.....you guys are lucky..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Is this the sort of scene you are predicting all over the UK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said: Living past national life expectancy doesn’t mean you are due to die or expendable. Of course not but it is the bracket of people that are most likely to die with or without a pandemic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said: Living past national life expectancy doesn’t mean you are due to die or expendable. Everyone, albeit not simultaneously, is expendable from a wider perspective. That's the part I can't get my head around, why are people dying from other things (even directly due to our approach to Covid) deemed expendable (collateral?) but people dying from Covid aren't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Der Kaiser said: I could kill folk just by being in their presence. I can feel all that power coursing through me.... But my head is sore and my back hurts today so.....you guys are lucky..... Is it giving you a hard time, Der K? Hope you're on the mend soon. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 Just now, Taffin said: Everyone, albeit not simultaneously, is expendable from a wider perspective. That's the part I can't get my head around, why are people dying from other things (even directly due to our approach to Covid) deemed expendable (collateral?) but people dying from Covid aren't? Because we are being programmed to fear this over everything else. The reason for that I don't know but it seems obvious that's what's happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Kaiser Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 Just now, Governor Tarkin said: Is it giving you a hard time, Der K? Hope you're on the mend soon. 👍 Still feels like a really really heavy cold. Can't shift the headache. Coughing is actually really rare. Constantly tired. Think there are still plenty folk not in hospital with worse symptoms than me so shouldn't grumble too much. Keeps me going just thinking I can kiss all your grannies to death...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 East Lothian into tier 3 today I reckon. ☹ It was good while it lasted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 22 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said: What about her dad? Not possible ☹️. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said: I don’t think almost anyone does think that. It’s a balance and very difficult one, the more Covid about the harder it is to treat other conditions, however restrictions to suppress Covid also make treatments for other conditions more difficult. Pollution, poverty, starvation related deaths have all pre-existed Covid and could be eliminated almost overnight (albeit with big consequences elsewhere) but we've never done it. Covid comes along and we're trying to eliminate it despite the consequences. I just find it odd, why didn't we have people coming on here shaking with rage about pollution and selfish car drivers etc then but now we do about people having the audacity to want to see their family. It couldn't be that those very people only care now because it effects them or their loved ones and those other things above don't? Surely those throwing the selfish card around aren't actually the selfish ones? Edited December 15, 2020 by Taffin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, jonesy said: Saving it for Easter, Pontius? Its double jeopardy this year for the family. If I don't get them with my culinary exploits then the Covid could take them out. Beats playing charades I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 15 minutes ago, jonesy said: If Thatcher, rather than Bevan, had invented the NHS. Fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, weehammy said: Not an option for folk with dodgy knees.......like me. Off road motorised wheelchair? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 1 hour ago, frankblack said: Yours isn't really a personal opinion - you are just blindly defending your beloved SNP government rather than having an open mind and being critical of its many serious mistakes in this shitshow. Again I will say, that's rich coming from you. Nothing would please you. If you read my post above I have sympathy for ALL the governments trying to handle this pandemic. Whingers like yourself are part of the reason it's been so difficult,refusing to follow guidelines just because it's coming from a government you disapprove of. If I stayed in England I would follow the guidelines even though I despise the Conservative Party. Politics should not come into this imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 12 minutes ago, jonesy said: Christmas hillwalking is one of the highlights of my year - and I'd suggest, pound for pound, a far more Covid-acceptable activity than meeting folk in a humid coffee shop or restaurant, or slowly pushing a trolley around a crowded supermarket, both of which we're officially allowed to do. Bonkers. Good stuff, jonesey. Luckily I live five minutes from the Pentland Hills. Weather permitting I'll take a daunder over to Flotterstone on Christmas morning to meet the Mr's sisters family to exchange gifts and for a bit of a stroll. Might even take a flask of mulled wine or cider. It's a great way to start the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 1 minute ago, luckydug said: If I stayed in England I would follow the guidelines even though I despise the Conservative Party. The Nuremberg defence, eh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, luckydug said: Again I will say, that's rich coming from you. Nothing would please you. If you read my post above I have sympathy for ALL the governments trying to handle this pandemic. Whingers like yourself are part of the reason it's been so difficult,refusing to follow guidelines just because it's coming from a government you disapprove of. If I stayed in England I would follow the guidelines even though I despise the Conservative Party. Politics should not come into this imo. Politics shouldn't come into a lot of things but as the country is run by politicians it always will. Are you saying it's ok for the politicians to make political decisions but everyone else should just go along with them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 Yes I can’t really get my head around why the complete obsession with covid as opposed to other things which cause death and can be preventable such as alcohol related heart and cancer conditions , smoking related conditions such as cancer , COPD , heart issues , etc . Imagine all the money and expertise which has been plowed into covid could have been used for research / trials for all these conditions . I know it’s heart breaking about the many deaths related to covid and I have every sympathy with those who have suffered but I still just don’t get it . The knock on effects of lock downs will be Astronomical compared to the deaths from covid in the long run . I get the argument about keeping covid hospital admissions to a minimal but not at the expense of other life threatening disease . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 “Breaking news “ Scotland at the top of Europe again for all the wrong reasons , ! For drug related deaths ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 50 minutes ago, Der Kaiser said: Still feels like a really really heavy cold. Can't shift the headache. Coughing is actually really rare. Constantly tired. Think there are still plenty folk not in hospital with worse symptoms than me so shouldn't grumble too much. Keeps me going just thinking I can kiss all your grannies to death...... Do you live in Leith 😱🤔😜?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 37 minutes ago, luckydug said: Again I will say, that's rich coming from you. Nothing would please you. If you read my post above I have sympathy for ALL the governments trying to handle this pandemic. Whingers like yourself are part of the reason it's been so difficult,refusing to follow guidelines just because it's coming from a government you disapprove of. If I stayed in England I would follow the guidelines even though I despise the Conservative Party. Politics should not come into this imo. The public have a right to know why the pandemic has been mismanaged. Saying you have sympathy for all governments is a cop out, and making excuses for the failings of the SG. As for the rest of your rant, its wide of the mark. The bit about refusing to follow guidelines comes down to the lack of enforcement to back those rules up. Rules without penalties are going to be ignored by wide groups of the population if they think they will get away with it. The worst being not taking action to enforce quarantine and self-isolation instructions. What is your view over the Christmas shambles? Does the virus know we are on holiday for 5 days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spirt of 98 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 1 hour ago, jonesy said: Well said, Brian. Much like we have done since Feb/Mar, we'll be looking after each other - one or two family members have really struggled with feeling isolated this year - and doing so within what we consider to be a level of risk which matches the reward. Whether that is officially licenced by the fish, the clown or the birthday boy himself, doesn't mean anything. No issue with those who decide to stay alone for Christmas, and I wish them well. No need to run about shouting from the rooftops about how you hope these people die, @spirt of 98 - probably the nastiest thing said on what has been an, at times, difficult thread. You've shown yourself up for being either a) a troll, or b) a complete arsehole. It’s not nasty to say something that is true just because people don’t want to hear it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 We need more nasty truths imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 2 hours ago, The Real Maroonblood said: “Cult.” It's a fair description of people who blindly follow their leader TRM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 46 minutes ago, GinRummy said: Politics shouldn't come into a lot of things but as the country is run by politicians it always will. Are you saying it's ok for the politicians to make political decisions but everyone else should just go along with them? If there is one thing you can guarantee about a politician it's that they are in it for themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 8 minutes ago, spirt of 98 said: It’s not nasty to say something that is true just because people don’t want to hear it. Some people will die from Covid, and that's their problem, not mine. That how you want to play it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 2 hours ago, spirt of 98 said: Aye it’s all a cult. All the nations of the world are collaborating to scam everyone. They can’t agree on anything else but have managed to agree this time with what aim??????????🤦♂️ WTF are you on about? Who said it was a scam? Cult, as in all the mugs blindly following Sturgeon and making excuses for her misgivings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, weehammy said: While I’m usually delighted to slag off self-serving politicians, the slagging they’re receiving here and down south from ‘experts’ over the slightly relaxed Christmas rules makes me boak. All the SG and UKG are doing is ACKNOWLEDGING REALITY by providing a guidance framework that allows some limited indoor mixing. The reality is that tougher rules would be routinely ignored and everyone knows it. Spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JyTees Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 2 hours ago, spirt of 98 said: It’s not just you, you are risking!!! point is being missed by everyone that your actions have consequences for everyone. When will the silent majority snap with all these selfish people who have extended the pandemic for purely selfish reasons. Hysterical! And not the funny kind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spirt of 98 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 19 minutes ago, JyTees said: Hysterical! And not the funny kind. Explain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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