Dagger Is Back Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Jambof3tornado said: Paramedic work colleague died within the last few days of covid. I spoke to him 2 weeks ago when he was on the ward on 15L O2 and he got moved to icu because every time they reduced his oxygen his sats dropped like s stone. Workmates father spent 3 weeks in icu on a ventilator before passing away. **** this xmas or new year slackening of any rules, some of us wont see next xmas if we forget about covid for a few days. Really sorry to hear that. Puts everything into perspective when we’re on here moaning about how this has impacted us. I agree with you. I wouldn’t be slackening anything for Xmas or New Year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Jambof3tornado said: Paramedic work colleague died within the last few days of covid. I spoke to him 2 weeks ago when he was on the ward on 15L O2 and he got moved to icu because every time they reduced his oxygen his sats dropped like s stone. Workmates father spent 3 weeks in icu on a ventilator before passing away. **** this xmas or new year slackening of any rules, some of us wont see next xmas if we forget about covid for a few days. Sorry to hear about your colleague. The rest of your post is spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 11 hours ago, Pasquale for King said: Like the Offensive behaviour act that was voted down by all the opposition parties? The Greens choose the position they will take on a case by case basis, as they should. The green party are a disgrace and support SNP in all crucial matters such as defending Swinney. In return, we have stupid cycle lanes being built everywhere with no consultation or discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 11 hours ago, frankblack said: That is one whole post of deflection with irrelevant links. You are sounding desperate. As for the data I asked for doesn't exist. Other regions in the UK can produce the figures. It really doesn't take much for a semi-competent data analyst to group and aggregate the per sector figures. Therefore the argument I put back to you is why aren't we getting this data? People entering hospitality had to register their track and trace details on entry, and that business can be categorised as a pub, restaurant etc. Therefore you can link clusters of infected people who were at a business in a given time window. So explain again why we can't get this data? Because it doesn't match story NS and her government are feeding us. That is the case regardless of how Doug or Dundas spin it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Barack said: When volunteers were given two "high" doses the protection was 62%, but this rose to 90% when people were given a "low" dose followed by a high one. It's not clear why there is a difference. "We're really pleased with these results," Prof Andrew Pollard, the trial's lead investigator, told the BBC. He said the 90% effectiveness data was "intriguing" and would mean "we would have a lot more doses to distribute." "Excitingly, we've found that one of our dosing regimens may be around 90% effective and if this dosing regime is used, more people could be vaccinated with planned vaccine supply." Odd how the body works. Less, is more. I just finished Bill Bryson's book, The Body:A guide for Occupants. It's incredible and some of the facts simply defy logic as to how we function and the complexity to it. Science has almost doubled our life expectancy in the last hundred years and we have become masters at extending life but not so much extending the quality of that life in the extra years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Piers Morgan demanding Hancock says he wont take a pay rise if MPs are awarded the £3.3k rise an independent body has recommended in view of the poor handling of pandemic by the government - nothing has been agreed and easy for him to say No I wont but what impact would that have on all other mps - he should have just said it though and Morgan would have been lost. The irony of Morgan on his Doncaster plus salary showboating though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, JamesM48 said: No only 60,000 people died in January 2018 in the U.K. many of the flu . Edited November 23, 2020 by Malinga the Swinga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Best thing this Government will have done in a long time. https://metro.co.uk/2020/11/22/mass-coronavirus-testing-to-be-rolled-out-for-all-tier-three-areas-13637249/?ito=push-notification&ci=53541&si=18171904 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 38 minutes ago, Dagger Is Back said: I agree with you. I wouldn’t be slackening anything for Xmas or New Year The slacking will just be so a couple of families can meet in homes. I doubt hospitality will be fully open People can make their own choices, they're not forced to meet up with other people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 16 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: The slacking will just be so a couple of families can meet in homes. I doubt hospitality will be fully open People can make their own choices, they're not forced to meet up with other people A lot of families will do just that regardless. It’s a lot of cobblers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 58 minutes ago, Dagger Is Back said: I agree with you. I wouldn’t be slackening anything for Xmas or New Year If I don't get on with exercising, I will need to slacken trouser belt. Too easy to put on pounds working from home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: If I don't get on with exercising, I will need to slacken trouser belt. Too easy to put on pounds working from home. I’m a thoroughbred although my wife would disagree so I’ve little problem with weight. I’ve lost weight during these times because the pubs are shut. 🍺🍺🍺🍺 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 37 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: The slacking will just be so a couple of families can meet in homes. I doubt hospitality will be fully open People can make their own choices, they're not forced to meet up with other people It's the right messaging too. If they banned meeting at Christmas people would do it anyway and it's then much harder to go back to rule following. A relaxation of it means people can see their being given some leeway but only for a short period of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Just now, Taffin said: It's the right messaging too. If they banned meeting at Christmas people would do it anyway and it's then much harder to go back to rule following. A relaxation of it means people can see theyre being given some leeway but only for a short period of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Is Back Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 51 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: The slacking will just be so a couple of families can meet in homes. I doubt hospitality will be fully open People can make their own choices, they're not forced to meet up with other people We’ll see on the first two points. You’re right though it is a personal choice but I’m not sure how relevant that is when it comes to the potential repercussions of a relaxation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Personal choice works to protect or risk yourself. You can't make a personal choice to not spread infection onwards though. That alone makes the notion of personal choice completely irrelevant. Not everyone will be as careful as your average Joe, Mr & Mrs Careful. It barely matters now what the Christmas relaxations are. Most will be sensible about things and limit their visits. Some will rip the piss but they would have anyway. Probably makes no difference. Hogmanay is the monster coming over the horizon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenaciousdandy Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 1 hour ago, manaliveits105 said: Piers Morgan demanding Hancock says he wont take a pay rise if MPs are awarded the £3.3k rise an independent body has recommended in view of the poor handling of pandemic by the government - nothing has been agreed and easy for him to say No I wont but what impact would that have on all other mps - he should have just said it though and Morgan would have been lost. The irony of Morgan on his Doncaster plus salary showboating though How can a independent review recommend that MP's get an £3.3k pay rise, they are already on ridiculous wages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 12 hours ago, 1971fozzy said: On the news saying likely 3 households can mix for 5 days over Xmas 😱😱😱 Wonderful. Looking forward to the full lockdown in January as a result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionDJambo Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 28 minutes ago, Dandyman79 said: How can a independent review recommend that MP's get an £3.3k pay rise, they are already on ridiculous wages Doesn't Boris have the power to ignore or override independent reviews? He's just done it for Patel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenaciousdandy Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, SectionDJambo said: Doesn't Boris have the power to ignore or override independent reviews? He's just done it for Patel. Yep he wont ignore this one tho, unless he deems they deserve a 10k increase lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 3 hours ago, kila said: The Oxford one lasts longer though? And is significantly cheaper as well. Moderna Vaccine = £28 per dose. Pfizer Vaccine = £12 per dose (£24 as you need two doses) + has to be stored at -70c. Oxford Vaccine = £3 per dose (£4.50 for a dose and a half) and no issues about storage. (all prices approx) The Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine being a fraction of the cost and easy to store makes it much more affordable to less wealthy countries, even wealthy countries as they can vaccinate their populations much cheaper then using either of the other two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 54 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: Wonderful. Looking forward to the full lockdown in January as a result. I would take that, with vaccines on the horizon. I'm locked down most Januarys anyway. No bevy or going out for food Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: Wonderful. Looking forward to the full lockdown in January as a result. Double post Edited November 23, 2020 by Nucky Thompson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 12 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: I would take that, with vaccines on the horizon. I'm locked down most Januarys anyway. No bevy or going out for food The pubs will be laying staff off if they can't get open by Christmas in Edinburgh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 13 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: I would take that, with vaccines on the horizon. I'm locked down most Januarys anyway. No bevy or going out for food Same here I tend to hibernate in the awful month of January Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmiyaHearts Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 I think January will be lockdown no matter what, until initial vaccine issuing is done. It's been going on so long in Glasgow, I won't even notice another month or two of lockdown. Just spend saved holiday money on booze and drink myself into oblivion over Xmas and New Year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Think there will be significant pressure to not shut back down if we open up at Christmas. It will be quite hard to justify why it's okay to be open and mixing (albeit with limits) at Christmas but not any other time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 34 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: Same here I tend to hibernate in the awful month of January I hibernate all year 😕hermit me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the general Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Looks like the Musselburgh trips might be off !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, the general said: Looks like the Musselburgh trips might be off !! Last time i was there was stuck for an hour , shortcut from north berwick, got that wrong. Whats your trip General. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB-14 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Midlothian staying in level 3 for the time being it seems while East Lothian drops to level 2 as planned tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshed Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 18 minutes ago, the general said: Looks like the Musselburgh trips might be off !! Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 5 hours ago, kila said: Just think how busy they’d be if there were no restrictions. And this is not an annual event... Nobody knows how busy they'd be. Difficult to prove a negative, which has been the story throughout this year. They are busy at this time every year, that much we know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Midlothian likely to stay in same tier (confirmed tomorrow) whilst East Lothian still going down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Brian Dundas said: Apart from the kick on the stones for Midlothian, there is tons of good news about today - the Oxford Vaccine is now being reported as highly effective (early morning headlines were very negative), there is good news about testing isolators every day so they don't need to isolate and news mass testing is being extended. I really think we are beginning to see an end to this, a couple of months and things might even more normal than they were in the summer!! We need to get the vast majority of the population vaccinated up to and around 80% - and there still isn't a plan for the U18s (I think) so from what I've been listening today April - May is a safer bet. However, there my be a 'newer' normality within 2 months or so as the most vulnerable are vaccinated. The rest of us will still be expected to be cautious, masks, hand washing, social distancing for a while yet, wfh, some restrictions on socialising and hospitality. If the opens up the wider economy and gets especially most of the self-employed back working that can't hopefully most folk can hang on for that wee bit longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Which vaccine are people hoping to get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Taffin said: Which vaccine are people hoping to get? The 95% effective one. But then again, it having to travel and kept at -80 degrees when no freezers have been procured yet, may be the 70% effective one (that does go up to above 90% on second boost) Edited November 23, 2020 by DETTY29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionFJambo Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 The vaccines will be mixed and matched. I'd imagine they will be throwing out the cheaper/Oxford one at the younger and lower risk groups and keeping the expensive one for the OAP's /High risk as long as the science doesn't change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, DETTY29 said: The 95% effective one. But the again, it having to travel and kept at -80 degrees when no freezers have been procured yet, may the 70% effective one (that does go up to above 90% on second boost) The only comparable I've ever had was choosing an anti-malaria...where I went with the cheapest one. I'm not sure which of these ones I'd prefer if I was forced to choose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 23 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said: Apart from the kick on the stones for Midlothian, there is tons of good news about today - the Oxford Vaccine is now being reported as highly effective (early morning headlines were very negative), there is good news about testing isolators every day so they don't need to isolate and news mass testing is being extended. I really think we are beginning to see an end to this, a couple of months and things might even more normal than they were in the summer!! Like u said massive kick in the stones to Midlothian . Poor businesses seeing a glimmer of hope for the Xmas period only to have the rug pulled from under them . Shocking . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 So can fans be allowed back into Parkheid now then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Taffin said: The only comparable I've ever had was choosing an anti-malaria...where I went with the cheapest one. I'm not sure which of these ones I'd prefer if I was forced to choose. 4 minutes ago, SectionFJambo said: The vaccines will be mixed and matched. I'd imagine they will be throwing out the cheaper/Oxford one at the younger and lower risk groups and keeping the expensive one for the OAP's /High risk as long as the science doesn't change. I think on the 10 point prioritisation list, I'm at level 9, even at 51. My dad for his age is level 1 and my wife in social care, is level 2. By the time I get the cheaper one, no doubt it will have seen improvements too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartsmad1874 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: Like u said massive kick in the stones to Midlothian . Poor businesses seeing a glimmer of hope for the Xmas period only to have the rug pulled from under them . Shocking . Said this the other day when Red posted his stats that Midlothian would get punted back to Tier 3. Does that mean its still legal to go to Costco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, DETTY29 said: I think on the 10 point prioritisation list, I'm at level 9, even at 51. My dad for his age is level 1 and my wife in social care, is level 2. By the time I get the cheaper one, no doubt it will have seen improvements too. I've no idea where I sit on it, but I imagine the lowest priority. I'm surprised it doesn't seem to make mention of the armed forces being a priority. Given their assumed role in administrating the rollout (not to mention the risk of whole groups of them being put out of action with a positive test) I'd have thought they'd be in the earlier tranches. Edited November 23, 2020 by Taffin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenaciousdandy Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, Heartsmad1874 said: Said this the other day when Red posted his stats that Midlothian would get punted back to Tier 3. Does that mean its still legal to go to Costco Will also mean that "legally" east lothian will have no shopping complexes to visit lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshed Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, Heartsmad1874 said: Said this the other day when Red posted his stats that Midlothian would get punted back to Tier 3. Does that mean its still legal to go to Costco Thats the mental thing in all this. Things are getting better so dropping to tier 2 so can’t visit costco anymore.... no hold on things are getting worse again so that means it’s ok to visit Costco now 🙄🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionFJambo Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, Taffin said: I've no idea where I sit on it, but I imagine the lowest priority. I'm surprised it doesn't seem to make mention of the armed forces being a priority. Given their assumed role in administrating the rollout (not to mention the risk of whole groups of them being put out of action with a positive test) I'd have thought they'd be in the earlier tranches. It's along the lines of health/social care, over 85's, over 75's, over 65's, high risk under 65, moderate risk under 65, everyone else over 18. They will no doubt further prioritise as they go however given the talk is they will have this rolled out by Easter not sure there is much difference in terms of priority. If there is 2 doses a month apart then lockdown/measures would likely be released late spring so even those vaccinated I can't imagine will be back to normal until then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB-14 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Apologies for a Daily Mail article but seen this "Freedom Pass" trending on Twitter and this is the UK Gov't's latest bright idea: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8974617/Britons-test-negative-Covid-twice-week-set-receive-freedom-pass.html?fbclid=IwAR0rCitOuGtwXvpm4iNz9WajCufWp3UxWaxZ-H4wfkPXrzA-PmNOoqrh63U Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Scottish numbers: 23 November 2020 Summary 949 new cases of COVID-19 reported [+105] 0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends) [-7] 84 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-11] 1,208 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+38] 13,013 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results – 8.6% of these were positive [-6,651; +3.2%] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartsmad1874 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, redjambo said: Scottish numbers: 23 November 2020 Summary 949 new cases of COVID-19 reported [+105] 0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends) [-7] 84 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-11] 1,208 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+38] 13,013 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results – 8.6% of these were positive [-6,651; +3.2%] 0 deaths is good but i suspect that is just a lag from the weekend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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