JudyJudyJudy Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 15 minutes ago, Taffin said: Companies in general make profits for shareholders. This should be used in the first instance to ensure their lowest paid staff receive a salary they can live on and comfortably pay their taxes. The public shouldn't top it up via taxes whilst the shareholders get rich. There's no need to worry about your margin if your business is breaking even whilst providing all your staff an equitable wage and covering its cost base. The surplus profits are just greed to fuel the few. I'm also not in favour of higher wages all round, if the top earners need to be rebalanced to enable the lower earners to have a bit more, so be it. It's the same in business as in politics...percentages favour those with more. Pensions contributions should be in £ notes, not percentages. A guy on 20k getting 5% contributions is getting a pittance compared to those on 80k getting 5%. Take that total number paid out and share it equally to all staff. Off my high horse now haha. But yes, oddly maybe given my views on covid, I'm very much an anti-capitalist. That said, I'm also a little bit sympathetic to the line of argument I'm sure Enzo would take...given the minimum wages, I'd question how squeezed anyone working full time really is. I've been on it and it wasn't an exuberant lifestyle, but I was never in serious trouble. Working tax credit let’s Many employers off the hook too . They can stick to as near as possible minimum wage . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 hour ago, redjambo said: A fair number. Go to https://www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/local and scroll down to "Vaccination Coverage by Council Area" (near the bottom on the left). Wow, some enlightening information on there 👍🏽. 89.7 had their 2nd jag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Taffin said: Tax the corporations instead, or force them to pay a better wage to their staff to be taxed on. Nobody should be in full time work and being paid such a pittance that they can't afford to pay taxes. I agree but we are veering off I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said: We are in our early to mid 60s and will be due our boosters in late November's going by the 6 months date following our 2nd vaccine. England did 150,296 boosters yesterday. Scotland did 24,887. Decent numbers IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said: 👍 My nurse daughter gets hers this week. My wife (works in ENT) got her 2nd jab back in February, but is not deemed "front line" for the booster, so may have to wait until the 60+ cohort is called. I got my 2nd in May but might get my booster before her if they stick to the age groups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 3 hours ago, jonnothejambo said: We are in our early to mid 60s and will be due our boosters in late November's going by the 6 months date following our 2nd vaccine. It’s 24 weeks not 6 months. Around 2 weeks short of 6 months. You’ll probably get your letter before the end of the month for flu and booster together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Vince Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 5 hours ago, JamesM48 said: Working tax credit let’s Many employers off the hook too . They can stick to as near as possible minimum wage . Agreed and this was the plan. The minimum wage was a con. It very soon became the going rate and wages plummeted and never recovered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 But also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 11 hours ago, Savage Vince said: Agreed and this was the plan. The minimum wage was a con. It very soon became the going rate and wages plummeted and never recovered. Yep 😞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 I see that they're all coming out of the woodwork 'demanding' that the UK government bring in tougher restrictions. I'm glad that they were told to feck off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 On the boosters, Leitch said today that they've "done the over 80s.. ". No they haven't. I know of quite a few who have had no contact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 36 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: I see that they're all coming out of the woodwork 'demanding' that the UK government bring in tougher restrictions. I'm glad that they were told to feck off Yep. Pulling out all the stops now . The shameless “ don’t kill your granny “ mantra is all over this article From the number one scare mongering media source yet again https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/19/without-covid-19-jab-reinfection-may-occur-every-16-months-say-scientists?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0duCSPNOKedvA-cRyyth02BMOKPeACMeShzgyidtwAfg6HNK5W24hEtqU#Echobox=1634709950 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 35 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: Yep. Pulling out all the stops now . The shameless “ don’t kill your granny “ mantra is all over this article From the number one scare mongering media source yet again https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/19/without-covid-19-jab-reinfection-may-occur-every-16-months-say-scientists?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0duCSPNOKedvA-cRyyth02BMOKPeACMeShzgyidtwAfg6HNK5W24hEtqU#Echobox=1634709950 And yet you know that the UK government are stalling before they inevitably cave in when the shit hits the fan in hospital admission rates. The Tories have been repeating the same mistakes since the start of the pandemic. Reopen quickly, remove all restrictions, and then a few months later have to put them back again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 This rise in infections, I wonder how much is to do with the English schools/colleges/universities returning back after their summer holiday's, as they all went back in September. You'd expect to see a rise in infections when all the kids went back to school/uni etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 minute ago, frankblack said: And yet you know that the UK government are stalling before they inevitably cave in when the shit hits the fan in hospital admission rates. The Tories have been repeating the same mistakes since the start of the pandemic. Reopen quickly, remove all restrictions, and then a few months later have to put them back again. But thought the vaccinations were the way out of it all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: But thought the vaccinations were the way out of it all? Vaccinations on their own are not a silver bullet, 2x vacc people are getting this, face coverings and social distancing in certain settings are, imo, still required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 38 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: Yep. Pulling out all the stops now . The shameless “ don’t kill your granny “ mantra is all over this article From the number one scare mongering media source yet again So how many grannies are you willing to sacrifice, or operations have to be delayed for you to accept that some restrictions might be necessary? We are "living" with the virus just now, but it isn't showing any signs of diminishing in its impact. UK cases up 16%, Deaths up 15% and Hospitalisations up 10% week on week. I'm not taking lockdowns, but mask waring in public places, facilitating more home working while, in parallel, seeking to increase the uptake of booster vaccinations and amongst teenagers might help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Something which really puzzles me is this. The UK has for months now had a stubbornly high infection rate, when compared to other countries, and what I mean by that is that other countries rates rise and fall and with it their death rates as well, but the UK has stayed pretty much around the 30k+ for months now, without any signs of reducing, like we are seeing near enough everywhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beni Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 24 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Something which really puzzles me is this. The UK has for months now had a stubbornly high infection rate, when compared to other countries, and what I mean by that is that other countries rates rise and fall and with it their death rates as well, but the UK has stayed pretty much around the 30k+ for months now, without any signs of reducing, like we are seeing near enough everywhere else. I saw this being speculated about on Twitter recently, with possible contributing factors being: UK started vaccinating earlier, so reduction in efficacy is kicking in earlier. More reliance on the AZ vaccine which is less effective. Other countries didn't remove restrictions until their infection rates were lower. UK was comparatively late in starting to vaccinate teens who are acting as a reservoir at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, Beni said: I saw this being speculated about on Twitter recently, with possible contributing factors being: UK started vaccinating earlier, so reduction in efficacy is kicking in earlier. More reliance on the AZ vaccine which is less effective. Other countries didn't remove restrictions until their infection rates were lower. UK was comparatively late in starting to vaccinate teens who are acting as a reservoir at the moment. Re your last point, I've just had a look at the vaccination rate among the 12-17 age group. As of yesterday, the take-up rate in Scotland is currently 56.5%. In England the rate is just 24.9%. It is certainly a factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 22 minutes ago, Beni said: I saw this being speculated about on Twitter recently, with possible contributing factors being: UK started vaccinating earlier, so reduction in efficacy is kicking in earlier. More reliance on the AZ vaccine which is less effective. Other countries didn't remove restrictions until their infection rates were lower. UK was comparatively late in starting to vaccinate teens who are acting as a reservoir at the moment. Could easily all be factors. 6 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: Re your last point, I've just had a look at the vaccination rate among the 12-17 age group. As of yesterday, the take-up rate in Scotland is currently 56.5%. In England the rate is just 24.9%. It is certainly a factor. That's an interesting stat and I wonder why England has such a lower take-up in the 12-17 age group compared to Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: That's an interesting stat and I wonder why England has such a lower take-up in the 12-17 age group compared to Scotland. Scotland started with 16-17 year olds being invited to attend drop-in vaccination centres. While that approach had its attractions, it needs a conscious decision to make the effort to go. It's all too easy for individuals to say that they can't be bothered and find excuses for not doing so. More recently the SG reverted to an appointments system for 12-15 year olds. While individuals can still opt out, I think that having a fixed appointment already made for you makes it more likely that you will make the effort to attend. I believe that the take up rate in England for 12-15 year olds is as low as 15%, while it is 48% in Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Footballfirst said: So how many grannies are you willing to sacrifice, or operations have to be delayed for you to accept that some restrictions might be necessary? We are "living" with the virus just now, but it isn't showing any signs of diminishing in its impact. UK cases up 16%, Deaths up 15% and Hospitalisations up 10% week on week. I'm not taking lockdowns, but mask waring in public places, facilitating more home working while, in parallel, seeking to increase the uptake of booster vaccinations and amongst teenagers might help. They will implement their Plan B, I'm pretty sure of that. No lockdowns but the restrictions you've mentioned above will be re-introduced IMO. In my few visits down south since they opened up, the differences from up here were stark. It's no surprise to me that the talk is now of putting the brakes on. Personally, I can see my trip abroad in the next two weeks to be under threat. Already noises about travel to some countries being affected. I suppose it makes the talk of normality returning from some, look premature, as alluded to by us on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Footballfirst said: Scotland started with 16-17 year olds being invited to attend drop-in vaccination centres. While that approach had its attractions, it needs a conscious decision to make the effort to go. It's all too easy for individuals to say that they can't be bothered and find excuses for not doing so. More recently the SG reverted to an appointments system for 12-15 year olds. While individuals can still opt out, I think that having a fixed appointment already made for you makes it more likely that you will make the effort to attend. I believe that the take up rate in England for 12-15 year olds is as low as 15%, while it is 48% in Scotland. And even Scotland's 48% is low compared to some countries in mainland Europe, such as France (68%), Italy (62%) & Spain (79%) whose % rates for 12-18 are much higher, however Germany is only 36% but even that is twice the rate of vaccination than in England, which might explain why the UK is still having such high infection rates. In saying that we were slower to begin to vaccinate children, so this time it's the UK playing catch-up with the rest of Europe. Here is a decent article on the state of play in mainland Europe. https://www.euronews.com/next/2021/09/14/covid-vaccine-for-children-who-in-europe-is-leading-the-race Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Scottish numbers: 20 October 2021 Summary 2,768 new cases of COVID-19 reported [+309; up from 2,581 a week ago] 41,556 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [+20,524] 7.1% of these were positive [-5.3%] 26 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [+2] 51 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+5] 890 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+21] 4,294,116 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination and 3,883,886 have received their second dose [+2,466; +2,142] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Today's trend stats: 7-day per-100,000 cases Council Area WHO Today Yesterday 18 Oct 17 Oct 16 Oct 15 Oct 14 Oct ... 1 Oct Scotland 4 331 327 +4 317 319 313 310 308 ... 345 Clackmannanshire 4 521 511 +10 489 448 417 392 322 ... 328 West Lothian 4 476 467 +9 448 459 455 431 433 ... 504 Falkirk 4 463 451 +12 429 401 371 354 362 ... 421 Stirling 4 461 462 -1 464 478 502 495 479 ... 366 East Ayrshire 4 444 415 +29 413 388 368 351 368 ... 440 Fife 4 442 439 +3 428 426 412 401 392 ... 407 South Lanarkshire 4 399 392 +7 360 359 338 332 321 ... 382 East Dunbartonshire 4 394 392 +2 351 334 341 302 295 ... 382 North Lanarkshire 4 387 383 +4 356 347 342 352 351 ... 442 Scottish Borders 4 359 364 -5 342 342 326 313 305 ... 188 North Ayrshire 4 355 356 -1 349 342 349 343 346 ... 441 Dundee City 4 354 367 -13 370 380 392 399 408 ... 427 Aberdeenshire 4 352 355 -3 356 382 383 392 377 ... 339 East Renfrewshire 4 350 352 -2 344 356 356 383 380 ... 354 Renfrewshire 4 345 353 -8 348 351 343 336 332 ... 371 Moray 4 332 320 +12 323 322 332 329 319 ... 231 Angus 4 331 341 -10 339 338 309 310 308 ... 234 South Ayrshire 4 310 298 +12 292 287 273 261 234 ... 541 West Dunbartonshire 4 303 310 -7 294 288 298 297 292 ... 437 East Lothian 4 214 301 318 -17 325 329 306 306 301 ... 265 Argyll & Bute 4 277 273 +4 248 250 249 241 250 ... 304 Aberdeen City 4 268 262 +6 257 261 262 269 253 ... 292 Inverclyde 4 267 234 +33 232 230 230 223 239 ... 365 Perth & Kinross 4 263 266 -3 251 278 259 254 253 ... 304 Dumfries & Galloway 4 260 243 +17 228 247 239 246 266 ... 361 Midlothian 4 249 263 -14 257 267 269 267 264 ... 327 Glasgow City 4 248 243 +5 236 237 238 242 251 ... 328 Edinburgh City 4 233 235 -2 240 249 251 244 240 ... 238 Highland 4 211 232 214 +18 209 215 207 215 220 ... 168 Na h-Eileanan Siar 4 208 185 +23 155 140 151 136 151 ... 234 Orkney Islands 3 125 125 0 116 103 103 85 71 ... 85 Shetlands 3 79 70 +9 83 92 83 83 87 ... 70 7-day averages Today Yesterday 18 Oct 17 Oct 16 Oct 15 Oct 14 Oct ... 1 Oct Tests 30772 29939 +833 29705 29865 30076 30497 30548 ... 35457 Cases 2581 2555 +26 2476 2491 2447 2424 2405 ... 2694 Positivity rate % 8.9 9.0 -0.1 8.8 8.8 8.7 8.5 8.4 ... 8.2 Deaths 19 20 -1 20 20 20 20 17 ... 19 All Vaccinations 5603 5895 -292 6181 6890 7451 7757 8099 ... 6572 1st Dose 3427 3699 -272 3999 4611 5147 5422 5733 ... 3705 2nd Dose 2176 2196 -20 2182 2279 2304 2335 2366 ... 2867 All in hospital 864 868 -4 877 888 903 918 932 ... 1009 Non-ICU 817 821 -4 829 839 852 865 877 ... 935 ICU 47 47 0 48 49 51 53 55 ... 74 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, redjambo said: Today's trend stats: 7-day per-100,000 cases Council Area WHO Today Yesterday 18 Oct 17 Oct 16 Oct 15 Oct 14 Oct ... 1 Oct Scotland 4 331 327 +4 317 319 313 310 308 ... 345 Clackmannanshire 4 521 511 +10 489 448 417 392 322 ... 328 West Lothian 4 476 467 +9 448 459 455 431 433 ... 504 Falkirk 4 463 451 +12 429 401 371 354 362 ... 421 Stirling 4 461 462 -1 464 478 502 495 479 ... 366 East Ayrshire 4 444 415 +29 413 388 368 351 368 ... 440 Fife 4 442 439 +3 428 426 412 401 392 ... 407 South Lanarkshire 4 399 392 +7 360 359 338 332 321 ... 382 East Dunbartonshire 4 394 392 +2 351 334 341 302 295 ... 382 North Lanarkshire 4 387 383 +4 356 347 342 352 351 ... 442 Scottish Borders 4 359 364 -5 342 342 326 313 305 ... 188 North Ayrshire 4 355 356 -1 349 342 349 343 346 ... 441 Dundee City 4 354 367 -13 370 380 392 399 408 ... 427 Aberdeenshire 4 352 355 -3 356 382 383 392 377 ... 339 East Renfrewshire 4 350 352 -2 344 356 356 383 380 ... 354 Renfrewshire 4 345 353 -8 348 351 343 336 332 ... 371 Moray 4 332 320 +12 323 322 332 329 319 ... 231 Angus 4 331 341 -10 339 338 309 310 308 ... 234 South Ayrshire 4 310 298 +12 292 287 273 261 234 ... 541 West Dunbartonshire 4 303 310 -7 294 288 298 297 292 ... 437 East Lothian 4 214 301 318 -17 325 329 306 306 301 ... 265 Argyll & Bute 4 277 273 +4 248 250 249 241 250 ... 304 Aberdeen City 4 268 262 +6 257 261 262 269 253 ... 292 Inverclyde 4 267 234 +33 232 230 230 223 239 ... 365 Perth & Kinross 4 263 266 -3 251 278 259 254 253 ... 304 Dumfries & Galloway 4 260 243 +17 228 247 239 246 266 ... 361 Midlothian 4 249 263 -14 257 267 269 267 264 ... 327 Glasgow City 4 248 243 +5 236 237 238 242 251 ... 328 Edinburgh City 4 233 235 -2 240 249 251 244 240 ... 238 Highland 4 211 232 214 +18 209 215 207 215 220 ... 168 Na h-Eileanan Siar 4 208 185 +23 155 140 151 136 151 ... 234 Orkney Islands 3 125 125 0 116 103 103 85 71 ... 85 Shetlands 3 79 70 +9 83 92 83 83 87 ... 70 7-day averages Today Yesterday 18 Oct 17 Oct 16 Oct 15 Oct 14 Oct ... 1 Oct Tests 30772 29939 +833 29705 29865 30076 30497 30548 ... 35457 Cases 2581 2555 +26 2476 2491 2447 2424 2405 ... 2694 Positivity rate % 8.9 9.0 -0.1 8.8 8.8 8.7 8.5 8.4 ... 8.2 Deaths 19 20 -1 20 20 20 20 17 ... 19 All Vaccinations 5603 5895 -292 6181 6890 7451 7757 8099 ... 6572 1st Dose 3427 3699 -272 3999 4611 5147 5422 5733 ... 3705 2nd Dose 2176 2196 -20 2182 2279 2304 2335 2366 ... 2867 All in hospital 864 868 -4 877 888 903 918 932 ... 1009 Non-ICU 817 821 -4 829 839 852 865 877 ... 935 ICU 47 47 0 48 49 51 53 55 ... 74 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nucky Thompson Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 42,902 first doses and 32,767 second doses done in the UK yesterday. That seems a wee bit higher. There was only 16k of each the other day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Just now, jonesy said: I'd imagine a lot of the thinking was along the lines of 'give them the summer and autumn' to feel like things are open and free but then have something in place for winter when things are more likely to go tits up anyway. Reintroduction of some rules in England and probably a tightening of things in Scotland was always on the cards from about November onwards. The 'mood music' in the media is usually a bit of a giveaway. The argument is, was this spike avoidable ? Some blokes on the box seem to think so. Pretty difficult to be sure of course. The fact some countries are now banning flights from the UK is a bad sign. These things usually snowball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, jonesy said: I'd imagine a lot of the thinking was along the lines of 'give them the summer and autumn' to feel like things are open and free but then have something in place for winter when things are more likely to go tits up anyway. Reintroduction of some rules in England and probably a tightening of things in Scotland was always on the cards from about November onwards. The 'mood music' in the media is usually a bit of a giveaway. The "mood music" is the MPs leaking advance warning of the changes so the politicians don't look as bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 At-home Covid pills for Brits to take from next month: Sajid Javid reveals No10 has bought 'game-changing' anti-viral made by pharmaceutical giant Merck and batch of experimental Pfizer drug https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10112061/Sajid-Javid-reveals-No10-bought-game-changing-anti-viral-pharmaceutical-giant-Merck.html Good News. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said: At-home Covid pills for Brits to take from next month: Sajid Javid reveals No10 has bought 'game-changing' anti-viral made by pharmaceutical giant Merck and batch of experimental Pfizer drug https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10112061/Sajid-Javid-reveals-No10-bought-game-changing-anti-viral-pharmaceutical-giant-Merck.html Good News. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 19 minutes ago, jonesy said: I'd imagine a lot of the thinking was along the lines of 'give them the summer and autumn' to feel like things are open and free but then have something in place for winter when things are more likely to go tits up anyway. Reintroduction of some rules in England and probably a tightening of things in Scotland was always on the cards from about November onwards. The 'mood music' in the media is usually a bit of a giveaway. I do wonder if it’s the virulent media craving for restrictions to be reinstated and not the other way ? 13 minutes ago, Boab said: The argument is, was this spike avoidable ? Some blokes on the box seem to think so. Pretty difficult to be sure of course. The fact some countries are now banning flights from the UK is a bad sign. These things usually snowball. It’s a virus . It’s unavoidable 7 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said: At-home Covid pills for Brits to take from next month: Sajid Javid reveals No10 has bought 'game-changing' anti-viral made by pharmaceutical giant Merck and batch of experimental Pfizer drug https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10112061/Sajid-Javid-reveals-No10-bought-game-changing-anti-viral-pharmaceutical-giant-Merck.html Good News. Oh wee Nicky won’t be happy . U.K. once again leading the way with this . Her strategy is so punitive and clearly doesn’t work ., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Boab said: The argument is, was this spike avoidable ? Some blokes on the box seem to think so. Pretty difficult to be sure of course. The fact some countries are now banning flights from the UK is a bad sign. These things usually snowball. I’m just glad I’m a half glass full type of person really . Edited October 20, 2021 by JamesM48 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 The Merck antiviral costs £500 for a course. So I dare say it wont be handed out freely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Victorian said: The Merck antiviral costs £500 for a course. So I dare say it wont be handed out freely. They've secured hundreds of thousands of doses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Victorian said: The Merck antiviral costs £500 for a course. So I dare say it wont be handed out freely. Correct, they've ordered 480,000 of the things, don't think that can be termed as a game changer...so "wee nicky" will remain happy 🙄🤣 Edited October 20, 2021 by Konrad von Carstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 The press conference is more about vaccines and treatments. No plans for plan B in England yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Nucky Thompson said: They've secured hundreds of thousands of doses. They have. It needs to be taken soon after symptoms start to show so it would seem to be best placed to be already stored in the home by identified high risk people. Otherwise there would need to be a reliable system of getting it out quickly to people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 When all restrictions where lifted in England it was against the backdrop of the scare monger in chief saying it was inevitable we'd have 100k cases by mid September. We haven't. So unless/until we breach that, then what's the problem? It was okay then, so surely it's okay now? Also, why is the younger age groups lack of vaccination an issue? Or are they now being hospitalised at a sufficient rate that it's putting pressure on the NHS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Konrad von Carstein said: Correct, they've ordered 480,000 of the things, don't think that can be termed as a game changer...so "wee nicky" will remain happy 🙄🤣 Not everyone who gets sick with covid will need a dose. Scotland will get its fair share of doses too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: The press conference is more about vaccines and treatments. No plans for plan B in England yet Between the lines though, it's coming imo. They just want to avoid the appearance of being bounced into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 So there two new antiviral drugs becoming available. Good news even at the cost which will reduce as time goes by and even quicker if other countries start ordering them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Taffin said: When all restrictions where lifted in England it was against the backdrop of the scare monger in chief saying it was inevitable we'd have 100k cases by mid September. We haven't. So unless/until we breach that, then what's the problem? It was okay then, so surely it's okay now? Also, why is the younger age groups lack of vaccination an issue? Or are they now being hospitalised at a sufficient rate that it's putting pressure on the NHS? It’s the media clamouring for restrictions as per usual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Victorian said: Otherwise there would need to be a reliable system of getting it out quickly to people. Test positive prescription gets sent to the chemist or storage facility and is then delivered to your home. if your in hospital and diagnosed with Covid the hospital pharmacy issues the drug. Edited October 20, 2021 by Boy Daniel Predictive spelling correction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Just now, Boy Daniel said: Test positive perception gets sent to the chemist or storage facility and is the delivered to your home. if your in hospital and diagnosed with Covid the hospital pharmacy issues the drug. Reliable is very much the key part. Hopefully a tad more reliable than some other things, such as our test and trace fiasco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: Not everyone who gets sick with covid will need a dose. Scotland will get its fair share of doses too The most vulnerable ie the vulnerable double vaccinated will Be near top of the list , just below those who can’t get the vaccine due to variety of reasons . Edited October 20, 2021 by JamesM48 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Just now, jonnothejambo said: That's my take on it too. Setting the scene with the slides for restrictions in Winter. Without much doubt. They need the appearance of being in full control. They'll push the button soon on mandated face coverings and u-turn on home working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Does anyone know how much they've scaled the NHS capacity up by since last year to deal with this winter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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