Nucky Thompson Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 13 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: It’s a worry. It would be a worry if Westminster indicated that they were introducing more lockdowns. Sturgeon can only do so much without financial support. Thank God Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: There won't be unless Westminster do it first. There's no financial support for more lockdowns after 30th September. No need for restrictions really . How many died of cancer yesterday or other illnesses . Seriously people need to calm Down . Live with it not in fear of it , as you say Sturgeon won’t / can’t do Much if the magic money tree isn’t shaken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffros Furios Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 17 minutes ago, Auldbenches said: Do you think there might be more restrictions on the way? Sadly I can see a lot more people ignoring and openly campaigning against them. It'll be frustrating but if it needs to be done. If the hospital figures keep rising they will need to do something . But can the Scot Gov finance businesses affected by restrictions ? Not easy decisions . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 34 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said: I wonder what number the hospitalisations need to reach for the Scot Gov to impose restrictions ? 1320 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffros Furios Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: 1320 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: No need for restrictions really . How many died of cancer yesterday or other illnesses . Seriously people need to calm Down . Live with it not in fear of it , as you say Sturgeon won’t / can’t do Much if the magic money tree isn’t shaken Yet here you are, day after day after day. Honestly, have you considered that maybe you need to calm down and live with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: It would be a worry if Westminster indicated that they were introducing more lockdowns. Sturgeon can only do so much without financial support. Thank God No point in worrying about something that may not happen. Just crack on and enjoy the present. 🍺 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 There's some stuff that can be done that wouldn't necessarily involve business closures and staff going on furlough. Reduced opening, etc. Obviously businesses will argue that it would badly impact on trade with the associated effect on jobs. So there's a limit to what restrictions can be reintroduced, unless there's some other way that affected businesses can be supported/compensated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auldbenches Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 19 minutes ago, Victorian said: There's some stuff that can be done that wouldn't necessarily involve business closures and staff going on furlough. Reduced opening, etc. Obviously businesses will argue that it would badly impact on trade with the associated effect on jobs. So there's a limit to what restrictions can be reintroduced, unless there's some other way that affected businesses can be supported/compensated. Good idea in that it wouldn't have to be another blanket lockdown. We must've learned enough from this to look at other approaches. I think the economy might dictate the way things go as much as the health stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 19 minutes ago, Auldbenches said: Good idea in that it wouldn't have to be another blanket lockdown. We must've learned enough from this to look at other approaches. I think the economy might dictate the way things go as much as the health stuff. Definitely. I think they should also think again about excluding education to be a last resort measure. It's not ideal by any means to reintroduce a degree of home based learning but if it made a big enough difference and ensured that the economy and jobs were protected from restrictions, isn't there an indirect benefit to kids in the longer term? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Smithee said: Yet here you are, day after day after day. Honestly, have you considered that maybe you need to calm down and live with it? I am . I’m not the one making claims about restrictions etc . I’m getting along just nicely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 1 hour ago, The Real Maroonblood said: No point in worrying about something that may not happen. Just crack on and enjoy the present. 🍺 Exactly . Think We will go on a bender this weekend ! Why no ! 👍👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auldbenches Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Victorian said: Definitely. I think they should also think again about excluding education to be a last resort measure. It's not ideal by any means to reintroduce a degree of home based learning but if it made a big enough difference and ensured that the economy and jobs were protected from restrictions, isn't there an indirect benefit to kids in the longer term? I saw that guy on the news who is involved in some sort of education association saying that they have to maybe begin looking at things and maybe have to do some home schooling. The one thing about this period is that it has forced us to look at reassess how we go about work and school. Praying that winter doesn't catch us all out and mean we regress to what things were like last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 Just now, Auldbenches said: I saw that guy on the news who is involved in some sort of education association saying that they have to maybe begin looking at things and maybe have to do some home schooling. The one thing about this period is that it has forced us to look at reassess how we go about work and school. Praying that winter doesn't catch us all out and mean we regress to what things were like last year Depends on how the experts quantify the effect of reintroducing some home learning. If it's something that's very likely to have a sizable benefit then it should be a live option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: I am . I’m not the one making claims about restrictions etc . I’m getting along just nicely Aye you've been like a boating pond on a windless day this last year and a bit. Ah, you do you, but I have to tell you, you look a bit daft telling people to calm down and live with it when you're by far the most obsessed person out of the thousands of jkb arseholes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Smithee said: Yet here you are, day after day after day. Honestly, have you considered that maybe you need to calm down and live with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, Auldbenches said: I saw that guy on the news who is involved in some sort of education association saying that they have to maybe begin looking at things and maybe have to do some home schooling. The one thing about this period is that it has forced us to look at reassess how we go about work and school. Praying that winter doesn't catch us all out and mean we regress to what things were like last year Working from home rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auldbenches Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 Just now, Victorian said: Depends on how the experts quantify the effect of reintroducing some home learning. If it's something that's very likely to have a sizable benefit then it should be a live option. The difficulty is how this impacts on the working lived if parents. No easy answer here but we will have learned from the last time and I don't think things will be that bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auldbenches Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Smithee said: Working from home rules There seems to be a fair amount who are more than happy to continue with this so I'll be ready to ha e both options if needed. I agree with you. Sat here today enjoying home comforts and only having to use a phone. Why commute in this weather..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 13 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: Exactly . Think We will go on a bender this weekend ! Why no ! 👍👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Auldbenches said: The difficulty is how this impacts on the working lived if parents. No easy answer here but we will have learned from the last time and I don't think things will be that bad. Maybe not. There's some signs that the numbers are level or about to head down. It's very curious because there's no obvious change in circumstances to explain it. We've heard about the changes of winter and how it will introduce a bit of seasonal forcing into the equation. But something must be behind the reason why current numbers aren't increasing. It's a decent reason to believe things might not be too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 7 minutes ago, Smithee said: Aye you've been like a boating pond on a windless day this last year and a bit. Ah, you do you, but I have to tell you, you look a bit daft telling people to calm down and live with it when you're by far the most obsessed person out of the thousands of jkb arseholes. Im honestly fine and living with it . The state sponsored fear is long gone ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auldbenches Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Victorian said: Maybe not. There's some signs that the numbers are level or about to head down. It's very curious because there's no obvious change in circumstances to explain it. We've heard about the changes of winter and how it will introduce a bit of seasonal forcing into the equation. But something must be behind the reason why current numbers aren't increasing. It's a decent reason to believe things might not be too bad. It just shows how things have changed in our mentality towards this. A post on here asks how many daily cases will it take for another lockdown and we are speculating about how society has to adapt long term. It's not project fear doing it, it's just how much we have been affected by it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 Just now, Auldbenches said: It just shows how things have changed in our mentality towards this. A post on here asks how many daily cases will it take for another lockdown and we are speculating about how society has to adapt long term. It's not project fear doing it, it's just how much we have been affected by it. I agree. It's people thinking ahead, based on what we've seen before throughout all of this. Remembering the various times of increasing cases and the resultant relationships with outcomes and previous suppressing interventions. Nothing to do with fear or pessimism or doom mongering or supposedly being pro-restriction or similar hysterical slavering that masquerades as conscious thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 19 minutes ago, Auldbenches said: There seems to be a fair amount who are more than happy to continue with this so I'll be ready to ha e both options if needed. I agree with you. Sat here today enjoying home comforts and only having to use a phone. Why commute in this weather..? I'm sitting playing with the dog in my jammies and lunch was brilliant, the canteen dude really knows what he's doing. The barista really knows how I like my coffee too, life is good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 18 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: Im honestly fine and living with it . The state sponsored fear is long gone ! I hope you are, I hope we all are even though I'm a feisty dick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auldbenches Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 Just now, Smithee said: I'm sitting playing with the dog in my jammies and lunch was brilliant, the canteen dude really knows what he's doing. The barista really knows how I like my coffee too, life is good! 😆 I bet there must be lots of people missing that beautiful morning bus journey... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 35 minutes ago, Smithee said: I hope you are, I hope we all are even though I'm a feisty dick Hear, hear! There's a few of us!! This thread in particular has seen me go hammer and tongs at it with a few of you, but I've genuinely really quite enjoyed hearing other people's views and thoughts and also then noticing on other threads that on other topics I'm in complete agreement with my most staunch Covid nemeses 😂😂 My over riding hope though is that everyone is as well as can be and coping with whatever circumstances they're facing and that we all come out the other side stronger and wiser for the experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Smithee said: I'm sitting playing with the dog in my jammies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Smithee said: I'm sitting playing with the dog in my jammies and lunch was brilliant, the canteen dude really knows what he's doing. The barista really knows how I like my coffee too, life is good! why did you dress your dog in your jammies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, milky_26 said: why did you dress your dog in your jammies? It's more interesting that he still owns jammies. I've not had a pair since I was 8 years old I'm guessing that they'll be tartan ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 14 minutes ago, milky_26 said: why did you dress your dog in your jammies? Maybe I was playing with the metaphorical dog in my jammies. Down boy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: It's more interesting that he still owns jammies. I've not had a pair since I was 8 years old I'm guessing that they'll be tartan ones No tartan jammies here, the jam tarts are enough for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Dugs in pyjamas, dicks and benders. Covid has fecked some folk, right up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auldbenches Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 3 hours ago, ri Alban said: Dugs in pyjamas, dicks and benders. Covid has fecked some folk, right up. Or enhanced their lives. Depends on your standpoint... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBJambo Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Young woman from England died off cancer as GP failed to pick up the tumours on numerous virtual appointments! Sadly this won’t be in isolation. There will be incidences of this up and down the country. The true cost of this pandemic is yet to be seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, GBJambo said: Young woman from England died off cancer as GP failed to pick up the tumours on numerous virtual appointments! Sadly this won’t be in isolation. There will be incidences of this up and down the country. The true cost of this pandemic is yet to be seen. Unfortunately very true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 29 minutes ago, GBJambo said: Young woman from England died off cancer as GP failed to pick up the tumours on numerous virtual appointments! Sadly this won’t be in isolation. There will be incidences of this up and down the country. The true cost of this pandemic is yet to be seen. Yep. Who knows what the scale will be of the full range of undiagnosed or uninvestigated illness? We're probably only at the start of it and there will be a couple of years worth of late diagnoses to translate through the system. The NHS is going to be catching up for a long time, even if it can catch up. All the more reason why it's vital that the NHS's covid workload is kept to as minimal a level as possible. Otherwise the hole will probably just keep getting deeper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, Victorian said: Yep. Who knows what the scale will be of the full range of undiagnosed or uninvestigated illness? We're probably only at the start of it and there will be a couple of years worth of late diagnoses to translate through the system. The NHS is going to be catching up for a long time, even if it can catch up. All the more reason why it's vital that the NHS's covid workload is kept to as minimal a level as possible. Otherwise the hole will probably just keep getting deeper. You would think this point would be obvious but there still seems to be some people who can't get their head around the concept of lots of covid patients leading to increased waiting times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 54 minutes ago, GBJambo said: Young woman from England died off cancer as GP failed to pick up the tumours on numerous virtual appointments! Sadly this won’t be in isolation. There will be incidences of this up and down the country. The true cost of this pandemic is yet to be seen. In the interest of balance, as I've said before I've had any number of doctor and hospital appointments this year, including initial GP appointment, hospital specialists, MRI scans, surgery and post surgery follow ups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBJambo Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Smithee said: In the interest of balance, as I've said before I've had any number of doctor and hospital appointments this year, including initial GP appointment, hospital specialists, MRI scans, surgery and post surgery follow ups. Still doesn’t excuse the fact that a lot of gp surgery’s are not having face to face consultations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: You would think this point would be obvious but there still seems to be some people who can't get their head around the concept of lots of covid patients leading to increased waiting times. There are a few different strands to the overall problem. Covid takes up staff resources. It takes up bed occupancy capacity. It takes up ambulance resources. Covid cases can't be added to one of the ever growing waiting lists. They need to be treated immediately in exactly the same way as other emergency health matters such as heart attack, stroke, major injury trauma, etc. The other main problem is the climate in which the health service is operating. Lots of people have been reluctant to present at GPs. Lots of people are unable to access appointments with their GP. Lots of people are fearful of hospital treatment and being admitted to hospital. As well as freeing up resources to deal with the waiting lists, it's going to require a reset to pre-covid times to enable people to seek medical appointments and be able to access them. The problems can't be solved until covid is pushed much further into the background. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, GBJambo said: Still doesn’t excuse the fact that a lot of gp surgery’s are not having face to face consultations. People in my town have been claiming my doctor doesn't do face to face consultations, I don't know what to make of it, I'm just telling my experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 22 minutes ago, Smithee said: People in my town have been claiming my doctor doesn't do face to face consultations, I don't know what to make of it, I'm just telling my experience. Yes but you have had a serious illness which needs to be monitored . Therefore you are priority . There is an ongoing concern that patients are not able to see a GP face to face even if they seem to be presenting as a minor health issue . GPs are not fully assessing patients so missing out in early diagnoses of cancers , diabetes , heart issues etc . Early diagnoses is vital Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indianajones Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 No evidence in a spike after TRNSMT festival according to Leitch. Thats a festival with 50k people and NO vaccine passport requirement for entry. Surely people can see how pointless the passport idea is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, indianajones said: No evidence in a spike after TRNSMT festival according to Leitch. Thats a festival with 50k people and NO vaccine passport requirement for entry. Surely people can see how pointless the passport idea is? Interesting. That might be a reasonable get out clause for the SG to exclude outdoor events from the vaccine passport scheme. Indoors is a different matter of course. But there's every reason to believe that the SG will postpone this scheme if they can do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indianajones Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Victorian said: Interesting. That might be a reasonable get out clause for the SG to exclude outdoor events from the vaccine passport scheme. Indoors is a different matter of course. But there's every reason to believe that the SG will postpone this scheme if they can do so. The provision of a negative test for any event is the only sensible option going forward imo. If its worked for TRNSMT, it can work for anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Quelle surprise . As the Manics said “ if you tolerate this your children will be next “ ! https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9993523/American-BABIES-given-low-dose-Pfizers-jab-winter.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Just now, indianajones said: The provision of a negative test for any event is the only sensible option going forward imo. If its worked for TRNSMT, it can work for anything else. It was a LFT of course. Football will probably oppose test result based entry as much as blanket vaccine passports. The problem is speed of entry, etc. Leitch has again alluded to spot checks being an option. I think there's a very good chance that the vaccine passport system will go ahead but that it's use will be limited and held back in reserve. It may tend to provide the same level of incentive to people to get vaccinated if they believe that they might soon need to provide this proof at some stage. Football will inevitably be exempted from a blanket proof system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 22 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: Yes but you have had a serious illness which needs to be monitored . Therefore you are priority . There is an ongoing concern that patients are not able to see a GP face to face even if they seem to be presenting as a minor health issue . GPs are not fully assessing patients so missing out in early diagnoses of cancers , diabetes , heart issues etc . Early diagnoses is vital Again, we didn't know that. I started with a phone appointment and what appeared to be a minor health issue, it escalated as it became apparent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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