Ray Gin Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 38 minutes ago, Victorian said: Optical Express advert for laser eye surgery using glasses steaming up due to wearing a mask as it's 'USP'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, kila said: I'd rather the government helped out workers... But even if things just stayed open and the older generation/vulnerable ones shielded, that's a lot of customers to lose. Are young people going to spend money everywhere to keep the economy going? Or would there be job losses because there's a chunk of the population unable to spend their cash out and about? The problem is the capitalist model. You can't just isolate a chunk of society and think things will be fine economically. During a pandemic, a switch to a more socialist model is needed. And we sort of got that with furlough - though it needs ramped up again to support what lies ahead. The Tories have made it clear that furlough is not going to be extended, which will clearly lead to mass redundancies in the sectors still locked down like hospitality (events, weddings, theatre, concerts, etc). What you are proposing is piling those that are just surviving post-lockdown onto the scrapheap as well. Edited October 5, 2020 by frankblack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 minute ago, frankblack said: The Tories have made it clear that furlough is not going to be extended, which will clearly lead to mass redundancies in the sectors still locked down like hospitality (events, weddings, theatre, concerts, etc). What you are proposing is piling those that are just surviving post-lockdown onto the scrapheap as well. What are you suggesting? Continuing to open up more while shielding a chunk of customers/workers and expecting business as usual? Or that employers just replace the vulnerable workers who need to shield as cases escalate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Just now, kila said: What are you suggesting? Continuing to open up more while shielding a chunk of customers/workers and expecting business as usual? Or that employers just replace the vulnerable workers who need to shield as cases escalate? No, enforce existing rules on face masks without exemption on public transport and enclosed spaces, and shut down areas that are out of control such as University Halls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 minute ago, frankblack said: No, enforce existing rules on face masks without exemption on public transport and enclosed spaces, and shut down areas that are out of control such as University Halls. Shutdown university halls? So send all the residing students back home, many who are testing positive? There's local businesses within the vicinity of halls who depend on residing students and they'd feel it. Convenience stores, takeaways, bars/restaurants (when they're allowed in). The Tories extending furlough will be the only option soon I think, as another lockdown will inevitably happen in England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weakened Offender Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 51 minutes ago, Robbofan99 said: Similar position. SNP no longer getting my vote in elections. Even going off the idea of independence if the current situation is a foreshadow of what an Independent Scotland would be like with SNP in charge. The good news is that BJ will tell her to take a hike re furlough and that will certainly put pay to future full lockdowns. Let's be honest here, you were never voting for them at all, you slaver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Just now, kila said: Shutdown university halls? So send all the residing students back home, many who are testing positive? Send them home/elsewhere after their isolation. Just now, kila said: There's local businesses within the vicinity of halls who depend on residing students and they'd feel it. Convenience stores, takeaways, bars/restaurants (when they're allowed in). That is the fault of the Universities who failed to prepare adequately for restarting during the pandemic. Just now, kila said: The Tories extending furlough will be the only option soon I think, as another lockdown will inevitably happen in England. They are pretty determined that furlough is finished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartsmad1874 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 18 minutes ago, kila said: What are you suggesting? Continuing to open up more while shielding a chunk of customers/workers and expecting business as usual? Or that employers just replace the vulnerable workers who need to shield as cases escalate? Redundancies will happen whether vulnerable people are told to shield or full scale population restrictions are imposed. It really is a sad state of affairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartsmad1874 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, frankblack said: Send them home/elsewhere after their isolation. That is the fault of the Universities who failed to prepare adequately for restarting during the pandemic. They are pretty determined that furlough is finished. Aye they've played a blinder with their new scheme. Barely any jobs will be viable if a new lockdown is brought in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam_the_legend Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, kila said: Shutdown university halls? So send all the residing students back home, many who are testing positive? There's local businesses within the vicinity of halls who depend on residing students and they'd feel it. Convenience stores, takeaways, bars/restaurants (when they're allowed in). The Tories extending furlough will be the only option soon I think, as another lockdown will inevitably happen in England. furlough is done, no chance that’ll change. Lockdown of any flavour will mean even larger unemployment figures. Businesses who have scrapped through the first one by the skin of their teeth will succumb for good. It’s inevitable and sturgeon doesn’t care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfcbilly Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 3 hours ago, theshed said: The people who make these lockdown decisions don’t give a toss about people like you and me and will never have the worry about how to pay bills. It’s easy for sturgeon and her cronies to have another lockdown cause in the end she will ride away into the sunset with her big fat pension no matter what happens Look at the SNP women who went to London last week who still hasn’t walked. She gets around 80k a year 1st class travel down to London Everything paid for her when she’s down there. A house to stay in down in London plus god knows what other perks. No wonder she won’t resign These people live in a different world from most people and don’t give a shit about lockdowns, in fact there’s many people loving this just like the Leitch who’s starting to get right on my tits I'm glad you mentioned about the SNP MP who still hasn't resigned. I couldn't find anything on the news outlets about her so wasn't sure if she had gone or not. The Tories have shown some amount of arrogance throughout this pandemic a lot of the time but this SNP MP is quite frankly, no better. No wonder a lot of us are starting to believe in the phrase 'do as I say, not as I do' !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfcbilly Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 2 hours ago, Heartsmad1874 said: The world is a weird place now where you can't even sit beside your family and console them after losing a loved one. This, quite frankly is an utter disgrace. If a child can't console their parent whilst at the funeral of the other parent the world really is Donald ducked. If that was me I would happily take on the remote chance of catching covid if it meant consoling my mother over the loss of her husband and my dad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, Adam_the_legend said: furlough is done, no chance that’ll change. Lockdown of any flavour will mean even larger unemployment figures. Businesses who have scrapped through the first one by the skin of their teeth will succumb for good. It’s inevitable and sturgeon doesn’t care. Sturgeon has pleaded for the UK government to extend furlough. If she could do it for Scotland to save lives and protect businesses she would. We're entering a critical stage of the pandemic as we approach autumn and winter without a proven and reliable treatment or vaccine ready yet. The sensible thing to do would be to enact the measures earlier in the year as cases start to snowball, and that means protecting lives and jobs. Blame for the lack of job protection lies with the Tories/Johnson/Sunak not Sturgeon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, hmfcbilly said: I'm glad you mentioned about the SNP MP who still hasn't resigned. I couldn't find anything on the news outlets about her so wasn't sure if she had gone or not. The Tories have shown some amount of arrogance throughout this pandemic a lot of the time but this SNP MP is quite frankly, no better. No wonder a lot of us are starting to believe in the phrase 'do as I say, not as I do' !! The SNP have taken every disciplinary measure they can against her. She is no longer an SNP MP. Edited October 5, 2020 by Ray Gin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartstastic Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 The title of this video sums this whole situation up. Put yourself in these shoes...you are saying goodbye to a loved one....see a friend/relative griefstricken and out of normal human compassion want to offer comfort, then this happens. What would you do? Utter madness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartsmad1874 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: The SNP have taken every disciplinary measure they can against her. She is no longer an SNP MP. Hasn't she only been suspended? Only earlier Ian Blackford was saying she should resign "before her constituents force her" out. Edited October 5, 2020 by Heartsmad1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Heartsmad1874 said: Wrong. She has only been suspended. Only earlier Ian Blackford was saying she should resign "before her constituents force her" out. A party is unable to force an MP to resign from parliament. Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Just now, Heartsmad1874 said: Wrong. She has only been suspended. Only earlier Ian Blackford was saying she should resign "before her constituents force her" out. No, she is no longer an SNP MP. "Removing the party whip" = kicked out from the party. She now holds her seat as an independent. No party can sack an elected MP from their seat - they must resign or be forced out by petition of their constituents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbofan99 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 50 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said: Let's be honest here, you were never voting for them at all, you slaver. Aye whatever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 21 minutes ago, kila said: Sturgeon has pleaded for the UK government to extend furlough. If she could do it for Scotland to save lives and protect businesses she would. We're entering a critical stage of the pandemic as we approach autumn and winter without a proven and reliable treatment or vaccine ready yet. The sensible thing to do would be to enact the measures earlier in the year as cases start to snowball, and that means protecting lives and jobs. Blame for the lack of job protection lies with the Tories/Johnson/Sunak not Sturgeon. I have a lot of sympathy for your position but I think a change of approach needs to happen. They need to be honest about why it all went pear shaped after lockdown and tackle the causes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam_the_legend Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, kila said: Sturgeon has pleaded for the UK government to extend furlough. If she could do it for Scotland to save lives and protect businesses she would. We're entering a critical stage of the pandemic as we approach autumn and winter without a proven and reliable treatment or vaccine ready yet. The sensible thing to do would be to enact the measures earlier in the year as cases start to snowball, and that means protecting lives and jobs. Blame for the lack of job protection lies with the Tories/Johnson/Sunak not Sturgeon. Do you just believe everything sturgeon says? She must be the only politician in the world who doesn’t engage in politicking. The SNP’s go to strategy, basically forever, has been blame Westminster. I have benefited from 6 months of furlough payments but even I can see it’s not a sustainable model. I suspect the SNP know this very well but it serves their purpose to beg for it to continue. The WM government are a complete shambles but how you can think sturgeon takes no responsibility for the employment situation in Scotland is something I don’t understand. Edited October 5, 2020 by Adam_the_legend Typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Adam_the_legend said: Do you just believe everything sturgeon says? She must be the only politician in the world who doesn’t engage in politicking. The SNP’s go to strategy, basically forever, has been blame Westminster. I have benefited from 6 months of furlough payments but even I can see it’s not a sustainable model. The Suspect the SNP know this very well but it serves their purpose to beg for it to continue. The WM government are a complete shambles but how you can think sturgeon takes no responsibility for the employment situation in Scotland is something I don’t understand. I believe she does actually want furlough extended... If ICU admissions and deaths continue to rise, at what point do you hit the lockdown button which requires some furlough arrangement? I think a proven treatment is our way out of this, and we may have already found one or a few. Just takes time to scale up. Having some precautions while we find out for sure is worth it... and that includes financial support from the government if a lockdown is needed to limit the spread again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 2 hours ago, theshed said: The last thing you have said is so very true and it’s going to hit home with lots of people on next couple of months After Xmas and new year there’s going to be a lot of people out a job and no money to pay their mortgage But the people making these decisions will still be getting paid their big wage and will be fine January 31 will be the biggie. All us self employed who had their July tax dump automatically deferred will run out of breathing space all at one time. Anyone, of course earning over 50k has been entitled to £0 in help, so will have been living off their tax cash. Expect mass insolvency in the new year . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam_the_legend Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, kila said: I believe she does actually want furlough extended... If ICU admissions and deaths continue to rise, at what point do you hit the lockdown button which requires some furlough arrangement? I think a proven treatment is our way out of this, and we may have already found one or a few. Just takes time to scale up. Having some precautions while we find out for sure is worth it... and that includes financial support from the government if a lockdown is needed to limit the spread again. I want a Ferrari but I know it ain’t happening. Furlough was pretty much the most generous support package for workers globally. Plenty of countries enforced lockdowns without similar support. You seem to think lockdown must mean furlough but imo those days are gone. If there is another lockdown from November it will be with limited job support. Thus, the equation changes. Covid suppression vs economic collapse is the choice. Edited October 5, 2020 by Adam_the_legend . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartstastic Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 For those thinking that there is no vaccination waiting in the wings. Somewhere in Wales hiring a project manager for a 'mass vaccination' program. Fixed term for 1 year. Applications were to be in by today, must be coming soon then. https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/xi/vacancy/916207927 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 The government is not showing it's hand on furlough. If there had to be another full lockdown of similar duration (they'll try to avoid at all costs) then there would be another furlough scheme. Right now they're trying to avoid supporting jobs they know wont survive going forward. I think it's a willfull policy to euthanise the jobs that are already flat-lining and to concentrate support on viable jobs. The trouble is that more jobs will become unviable later. They can't and wont say it but I think they've already accepted that jobs and businesses in certain sectors are gone, but will return over time once the pandemic is finally over. It's a brutal way to operate of course. Every job and every business belongs to a person who will suffer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howdy Doody Jambo Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 54 minutes ago, kila said: Sturgeon has pleaded for the UK government to extend furlough. If she could do it for Scotland to save lives and protect businesses she would. We're entering a critical stage of the pandemic as we approach autumn and winter without a proven and reliable treatment or vaccine ready yet. The sensible thing to do would be to enact the measures earlier in the year as cases start to snowball, and that means protecting lives and jobs. Blame for the lack of job protection lies with the Tories/Johnson/Sunak not Sturgeon. Sturgeon and Johnson are as bad as each other What's going to happen when the yearly common cold and Covid-19 collide nobody is going to know what day it is Another lock down and there will be no jobs to protect Both the UK and Scot government have handled this disgracefully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connlach Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Unfortunately the snp are now using the whole situation for political gain. 2 week lockdown and blame Westminster for no furlough. We all know that's what will happen. It's sad as I have been a long term supporter of the snp and independence but their handling of this has been shambolic. Perhaps they can reinvent themselves before the next election with a huge change in politicians...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weakened Offender Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 4 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said: You'll no be laughing when she shuts your boozer down I've never had a pint in Edinburgh since before lockdown so that won't effect me. If she imposes travel restrictions, she can bolt. I'd like to see that being policed Boozer shutdown announcement tomorrow apparently. 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Trump - bravado and show of force? Never really had it? Genuine recovery despite very much being in the risk categories? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said: Boozer shutdown announcement tomorrow apparently. 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weakened Offender Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Just now, The Real Maroonblood said: 😁 😪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbofan99 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 26 minutes ago, Victorian said: The government is not showing it's hand on furlough. If there had to be another full lockdown of similar duration (they'll try to avoid at all costs) then there would be another furlough scheme. Right now they're trying to avoid supporting jobs they know wont survive going forward. I think it's a willfull policy to euthanise the jobs that are already flat-lining and to concentrate support on viable jobs. The trouble is that more jobs will become unviable later. They can't and wont say it but I think they've already accepted that jobs and businesses in certain sectors are gone, but will return over time once the pandemic is finally over. It's a brutal way to operate of course. Every job and every business belongs to a person who will suffer. 👍 and thats not a sarcastic emoji...however it is peoples lives who will feel the brunt of unemployment albeit for a limited time as I do agree that many of those jobs will come back, particularly in retail, pubs and hospitality but smallbusinessess may never recover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Robbofan99 said: 👍 and thats not a sarcastic emoji...however it is peoples lives who will feel the brunt of unemployment albeit for a limited time as I do agree that many of those jobs will come back, particularly in retail, pubs and hospitality but smallbusinessess may never recover. Supply will eventually meet any vacancy in supply or excess in demand. Basic high school economics. It's a really hard nosed, dispassionate route for the government to undertake but ironically it's not the only recent example of this from this government. They were and remain willing to sacrifice current incomes for the sake of future opportunities via Brexit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartstastic Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 6 hours ago, doctor jambo said: What is it she's waiting on? There is no vaccine in the offing. https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/xi/vacancy/916207927 You heard anything about this Doc? NHS Wales hiring a project manager for a Covid mass vaccination program. Fixed term for 1 year and applicatons were to be submitted by today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 On the bright side China has low figures still and only about 4600 deaths - well done them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: Even being in a high risk categories the odds are still massively in his favour. Whilst, the best medical care that not even money could buy, I think he’s had it as just too many people for it to be a hoax imo. Plus not entirely sure what he’s gains from it. His recovery isn’t all that surprising most people even in the high risk categories have the odds in their favour. Yeh, that's where I'm at with it too. Not quite the death sentence for the elderly it's positioned as. I can see that he would gain from having it though, but surely even they wouldn't/couldn't fake it. He can either position it as "look, it's not dangerous at all" or "look how fantastic I am at defeating it with the help of the great healthcare I provide." Obviously nonsense, but his fans ain't renowned for their intellect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartstastic Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Study on the viability of masks from last month. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/344360577_Masks_false_safety_and_real_dangers_Part_1_Friable_mask_particulate_and_lung_vulnerability Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Obviously people aren't going to pretend that Trump's gilt edged medical care, including access to an experimental antibody therapeutic, has much relevance to the expected outcomes for your average old, fattish punter. Because that would be rather fanciful... even for la-la land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, Victorian said: Obviously people aren't going to pretend that Trump's gilt edged medical care, including access to an experimental antibody therapeutic, has much relevance to the expected outcomes for your average old, fattish punter. Because that would be rather fanciful... even for la-la land. No, but the outcomes for your average old, fattish punter are pretty good...so it makes sense that Trump is fine. Still think there's an element of bravado to it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 41 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: On the bright side China has low figures still and only about 4600 deaths - well done them Big on mask wearing over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, Taffin said: No, but the outcomes for your average old, fattish punter are pretty good...so it makes sense that Trump is fine. Still think there's an element of bravado to it though. God only knows what the truth is with Trump. There are a few curiosities there, separate to the jewel encrusted medical care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King prawn Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: Big on mask wearing over there. So are Spain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedy Jambo Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Right mate, it's on going, we all ken it. it's round in circles, get the ****ing gardening channel on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Glimmer of hope for the events industry? https://djmag.com/news/first-event-test-rapid-coronavirus-test-entry-system-happen-month?fbclid=IwAR09AHlLPZ2jOdaq4ezUuU3NCiZ1bofGbE98Q9BV0iFdLTA4bOjkGqrmfHQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: Big on mask wearing over there. So are France. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedy Jambo Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Oaaft, masks off for the boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 hour ago, connlach said: Unfortunately the snp are now using the whole situation for political gain. 2 week lockdown and blame Westminster for no furlough. We all know that's what will happen. It's sad as I have been a long term supporter of the snp and independence but their handling of this has been shambolic. Perhaps they can reinvent themselves before the next election with a huge change in politicians...... Yep it’s pretty clear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Greedy Jambo said: Oaaft, masks off for the boys. She doesn’t look anything like that now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Just now, manaliveits105 said: She doesn’t look anything like that now That’s probably a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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