General Election 2019

[gjcc]

The 2019 General election in Scotland is a completely different electorate to that of the 2014 referendum. Getting less than a 50% SNP vote share in Scotland doesn’t prove the fact there is “no appetite” for independence.
 

—16 & 17 year olds don’t get to vote. (71% voted in favour of independence last time round) 

—EU citizens aren’t getting to vote. They likely voted against independence last time around due to Unionists “the only way to remain in Europe is to vote no.” (Lol) Non UK nationals voted 57% against. But wether they will be permitted to vote in a post Brexit referendum remains to be seen. 

Indy Opinion Polls can often be misleading through leaving out these two categories. The only true test of appetite is a referendum itself. 

[Boof]

3 hours ago, Old Hearts said:

No. Having the majority of MSPs and MPs is NOT good enough. ...... The majority of the PEOPLE in Scotland have to agree that they want Scottish Independence. That's democracy.

 

 

So, according to the most recent US presidential election...the US is not a democracy?

[Pans Jambo]

3 hours ago, Old Hearts said:

My point is exactly that.......number of seats alone is NOT a mandate for holding an IndyRef2, like many on here were claiming.

 

Scottish Independence is a referendum issue, so needs 50%+ in favour. ...... Say on 12th Dec, SNP win 45-50 seats with a 40% share of the overall vote. .... Is that a mandate for IndyRef2??

 

 

Yes,

Yes it is.

[John Findlay]

9 minutes ago, Boof said:

 

So, according to the most recent US presidential election...the US is not a democracy?

Never has been, never will be.

[Old Hearts]

10 minutes ago, Boof said:

 

So, according to the most recent US presidential election...the US is not a democracy?

Is Scotland in America now???

[Roxy Hearts]

37 minutes ago, weehammy said:

A most informed response.

Would it matter what I posted? Done lots of posts. Only a forum with opinions. Some agree and some don't. Life will go on. 

[Justin Z]

3 hours ago, SE16 3LN said:

What a trio of bigots you are.

 

Disgusting!

 

[Justin Z]

No, no it will not.
 

https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/1200338262172356609

 

Edit: At least Ms May decided to truthfully frame Astor's role in history; Matt Hancock simply lied and said she was the first woman ever elected to Westminster.

That honour of course goes to Constance Markiewicz, who as a Sinn Fein member did not take her seat.

 

Edited November 29, 2019 by Justin Z

[Mikey1874]

BBC aware of being in a tricky situation have refused Boris Johnson an interview on the Andrew Marr show on Sunday. Because he hasn't agreed to be interviewed by Andrew Neil.

 

This is the BBC covering themselves from a complaint of bias. Every other leader has been on Andrew Marr. That would sort of balance Johnson not going head to head with Neil. 

[Boof]

2 hours ago, Old Hearts said:

Is Scotland in America now???

 

No, why do you ask?

[XB52]

3 hours ago, Old Hearts said:

You need to get out more. What a saddo 🤣

 

But but but, this is about a referendum though I thought?? ..... Crack on with that mandate. You will lose........again 😎

Think you will find this thread is about the election

[RobboM]

Former Tory Prime Minister, Theresa May, unveils a statue celebrating anti semitic Nazi sympathiser Nancy Astor

Waiting for comment from the Chief Rabbi .......
 

[Old Hearts]

52 minutes ago, XB52 said:

Think you will find this thread is about the election

Well why are all you Nats banging on about Independence on it then?? ... Can't win Independence via an Election 😉😉 

[Trapper John McIntyre]

21 minutes ago, RobboM said:

Former Tory Prime Minister, Theresa May, unveils a statue celebrating anti semitic Nazi sympathiser Nancy Astor

Waiting for comment from the Chief Rabbi .......
 

A few famous Churchill quotes are about Astor. 

 

She was ghastly. 

[RobboM]

1 minute ago, Trapper John McIntyre said:

A few famous Churchill quotes are about Astor. 

 

She was ghastly. 

Jeezo, not half!
Been reading her Wikipedia page

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Astor,_Viscountess_Astor#Astor_and_Nazism

[Trapper John McIntyre]

11 minutes ago, RobboM said:

Jeezo, not half!
Been reading her Wikipedia page

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Astor,_Viscountess_Astor#Astor_and_Nazism

 

She was a horrendous appeaser.

 

At one debate in the Commons in the 1930's when Winston was making a speech warning about Hitler she shouted, 'Rubbish'!

 

Terrible woman. I will say that in any future trip to London I won't stop to look at her statue. Shouldn't have one for her.

[RobboM]

4 minutes ago, Trapper John McIntyre said:

 

She was a horrendous appeaser.

 

At one debate in the Commons in the 1930's when Winston was making a speech warning about Hitler she shouted, 'Rubbish'!

 

Terrible woman. I will say that in any future trip to London I won't stop to look at her statue. Shouldn't have one for her.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-50577118

For a BBC whitewash of the issue their article on the statue


Theresa May said  She added she was "delighted" to unveil the statue and Lady Astor was a "truly remarkable woman".

.....
In honour of the anniversary, members of Lady Astor's family travelled to the unveiling on board the newly named train.

GWR managing director Mark Hopwood said: "There is no doubt that Nancy Astor was an outstanding role model for women and changed the way our Parliament looks and acts."

[Mikey1874]

I'm watching the Leaders debate on BBC1 just now. 

 

Campaign suspended otherwise. 

Edited November 29, 2019 by Mikey1874

[gashauskis9]

Who’s this nippy wee posh schoolboy on the stage for the Tories tonight?  He’s hopeless.

 

 

Edited November 29, 2019 by Gashauskis9

[Roxy Hearts]

6 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

I'm watching the Leaders debate on BBC1 just now. 

Hope it's fair Mikey. Can't watch that stuff any more. Politicians of all hues should be called out but also commended when they do well. Can't stand the anti SNP stance just because it's them, when the rest are worse at times! By all means have a go but give us just a modicum of balance. 

[Mikey1874]

2 minutes ago, Gashauskis9 said:

Who’s this nippy wee posh schoolboy on the stage for the Tories tonight?  He’s hopeless.

 

 

 

Yeah

 

You wonder what the thinking was?

 

Priti Patel, Michael Gove, Sajid Javid, Dominic Raab even.

 

He must be a rising star.

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

27 minutes ago, RobboM said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-50577118

For a BBC whitewash of the issue their article on the statue


Theresa May said  She added she was "delighted" to unveil the statue and Lady Astor was a "truly remarkable woman".

.....
In honour of the anniversary, members of Lady Astor's family travelled to the unveiling on board the newly named train.

GWR managing director Mark Hopwood said: "There is no doubt that Nancy Astor was an outstanding role model for women and changed the way our Parliament looks and acts."

Got to wonder why the chief rabbi is keeping schtum?

[Mikey1874]

3 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said:

Hope it's fair Mikey. Can't watch that stuff any more. Politicians of all hues should be called out but also commended when they do well. Can't stand the anti SNP stance just because it's them, when the rest are worse at times! By all means have a go but give us just a modicum of balance. 

 

Yeah agree. 

 

Don't normally. Its started off okay. 

[gashauskis9]

7 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Yeah

 

You wonder what the thinking was?

 

Priti Patel, Michael Gove, Sajid Javid, Dominic Raab even.

 

He must be a rising star.

He’s a ****ing robot.  He looks like he’s been pre-loaded with cliche.

[Roxy Hearts]

10 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Yeah agree. 

 

Don't normally. Its started off okay. 

Cheers 

[Mikey1874]

Jo Swinson would press the nuclear button. 

 

Caroline Lucas, Nicola Sturgeon and the Plaid Cymru guy would not.

 

Labour, Conservative, Brexit would be prepared to if it protected our people. 

[Roxy Hearts]

1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said:

Jo Swinson would press the nuclear button. 

 

Caroline Lucas, Nicola Sturgeon and the Plaid Cymru guy would not.

 

Labour, Conservative, Brexit would be prepared to if it protected our people. 

No surprise there! 

[manaliveits105]

What part of the NHS is not for sale does the hard of thinking labour woman and wee nippy not understand

[gashauskis9]

13 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

Jo Swinson would press the nuclear button. 

 

Caroline Lucas, Nicola Sturgeon and the Plaid Cymru guy would not.

 

Labour, Conservative, Brexit would be prepared to if it protected our people. 

The final nail in Swinson’s coffin right there.  You could tell she regretted it as soon as it left her lips.  What an arsehole.

 

Lucas, Price and Sturgeon coming across well here.

[RobboM]

6 minutes ago, Gashauskis9 said:

The final nail in Swinson’s coffin right there.  You could tell she regretted it as soon as it left her lips.  What an arsehole.

 

Lucas, Price and Sturgeon coming across well here.

She has said it before earlier in the campaign. She sounded almost eager and  you get the feeling she would have quite  a low threshold for it

[gashauskis9]

7 minutes ago, RobboM said:

She has said it before earlier in the campaign. She sounded almost eager and  you get the feeling she would have quite  a low threshold for it

She’s finished.  Strongest mandate for support the Lib Dem’s have ever had and she’s well and truly ****ed it.  The only party campaigning on remain are the party that will guarantee the exact opposite happens.

[Mikey1874]

As some commentators have recommended in her closing statement Jo Swinson said Conservatives and Labour are the old failing duo but specifically only attacked Boris Johnson. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

39 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

What part of the NHS is not for sale does the hard of thinking labour woman and wee nippy not understand

[manaliveits105]

[Beast Boy]

SNP to wipe these unionist parasites off the Scottish map, I reckon. 😎

[indianajones]

'pressing the button' - ffs. 

 

What a world we live in. If it gets to that stage we are all Donald ducked anyway. 

 

Trident gtf.

[Malinga the Swinga]

The only politicians that came over as trustworthy and honest were the Green Party candidate and Swinson. The others just trot out the same old cliched pish as normal.

[ri Alban]

8 hours ago, indianajones said:

'pressing the button' - ffs. 

 

What a world we live in. If it gets to that stage we are all Donald ducked anyway. 

 

Trident gtf.

This! Why do people not get this? 

[Brighton Jambo]

1 hour ago, ri Alban said:

This! Why do people not get this? 

The only reason nuclear weapons have never been used since 1945 is the deterrent of the ‘other side’ responding in kind.  Without that deterrent or with a leader who has already categorically said they would not use the weapons what is to deter nations from using their own weapons.

 

nuclear weapons are an abomination but until the rest of the world lays down theirs they they are a necessary evil to deter the ultimate horror from occurring.   

[ri Alban]

52 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

The only reason nuclear weapons have never been used since 1945 is the deterrent of the ‘other side’ responding in kind.  Without that deterrent or with a leader who has already categorically said they would not use the weapons what is to deter nations from using their own weapons.

 

nuclear weapons are an abomination but until the rest of the world lays down theirs they they are a necessary evil to deter the ultimate horror from occurring.   

Nonsense BJ, it's all about western power plays. A Dick swinging competition, where castrations all round are/is the like/only outcome. 

No-one wins with or without them, so why have them. 

As it stands only one Superpower has used them, twice! Next time it's destruction for everyone.

Bin them!

 

No-one will use them unless someone else does, that's ma point. Pointless even having them.

 

One last thing. We better hope no-one hacks the nukes and explodes them on top of ourselves.

Edited November 30, 2019 by ri Alban

[Cade]

This will never not be terrifying.

 

[ri Alban]

56 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

The only reason nuclear weapons have never been used since 1945 is the deterrent of the ‘other side’ responding in kind.  Without that deterrent or with a leader who has already categorically said they would not use the weapons what is to deter nations from using their own weapons.

 

nuclear weapons are an abomination but until the rest of the world lays down theirs they they are a necessary evil to deter the ultimate horror from occurring.   

Btw, I'm not demented about nukes. I'd rather we used the space for other things tho. But I do see why folk want them.

[AlimOzturk]

4 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Nonsense BJ, it's all about western power plays. A Dick swinging competition, where castrations all round are/is the like/only outcome. 

No-one wins with or without them, so why have them. 

As it stands only one Superpower has used them, twice! Next time it's destruction for everyone.

Bin them!

 

No-one will use them unless someone else does, that's ma point. Pointless even having them.

 

It is pathetic how we need weapons of genuine mass Destruction in order not not to destroy ourselves. 

[Brighton Jambo]

42 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Nonsense BJ, it's all about western power plays. A Dick swinging competition, where castrations all round are/is the like/only outcome. 

No-one wins with or without them, so why have them. 

As it stands only one Superpower has used them, twice! Next time it's destruction for everyone.

Bin them!

 

No-one will use them unless someone else does, that's ma point. Pointless even having them.

 

One last thing. We better hope no-one hacks the nukes and explodes them on top of ourselves.

I agree about everyone giving them up, I would just feel better if the likes of Russia went first!!!!

[Mikey1874]

In 2017 when the London Bridge terrorist attack happened just before the election it was thought the Conservatives cuts to Police numbers may have hurt them.

 

This time Boris Johnson could be on better ground. He had already said they planned longer sentences and he is already going with that last night. 

[Mikey1874]

And Boris Johnson will now appear on the Andrew Marr show. 'National emergency'. 

 

Good chance for him to be the statesman and make the case for a Conservative Government introducing tougher sentences. The BBC defers. 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-andrew-marr-neil-interview-election-debate-bbc-a9227286.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1575117375

[Justin Z]

Cross-posted from the London Bridge thread.

 

 

Edit: Mikey with the more lightning fast reflexes! By a nose!

 

Edited November 30, 2019 by Justin Z

[Justin Z]

1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said:

Good chance for him to be the statesman and make the case for a Conservative Government introducing tougher sentences. The BBC defers.

 

Incidents like these do always favour the party seen as the most relatively "tough on crime". Which is unfortunate seeing as how criminals are imprisoned and rehabilitated is something the public is even less educated and more brainless and emotional about than just about anything else in politics, to everyone's detriment.

 

After all, a murderer on day release helped stop the attacker. It's almost as if none of us is merely the worst thing we have ever done.

[Mikey1874]

But the current Government has had plenty time to introduce tougher sentences.

 

How voters react isn't always clear. 

[Justin Z]

38 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

But the current Government has had plenty time to introduce tougher sentences.

 

How voters react isn't always clear. 

 

True, and there's the whole cuts to policing under May still hanging over.

 

Still, cOrbYn Is A tErRoRiSt SyMpAtHiZeR