Jambo, Goodbye Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, ArcticJambo said: That's 31.5K a year! Isn't it 12.5K tax free then the rest at 19/20% so roughly 1700 paid in tax (plus slightly higher NI contributions) but yes a bit more wouldn't go amiss tbf. 20 quid pays food for a family of four for a day. Yeah you're right, for some reason I was assuming they were below the 12.5k. My math was def wrong. I agree, 20 quid extra a week (for many) shouldn't be sniffed at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: You obviously didn't hear her last week on the BBC then, talking a complete load of pish and plain downright lies. She told Maxine Croxall in an interview that the Lib Dems are the only remain party in Scotland, that the SNP campaigned for both remain & leave during the EU ref and only joined the remain side AFTER the EU referendum result was announced, and like a true politician she said all of this with a straight face. She's a loon like all Lib Dems. Liars too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo, Goodbye Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Just now, Roxy Hearts said: She's a loon like all Lib Dems. Liars too. I've long accepted that they are all liars. It's about which liar tells the lies you like the most 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said: She's a loon like all Lib Dems. Liars too. The Fib Dems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: The Fib Dems. 11 minutes ago, Jambo, Goodbye said: I've long accepted that they are all liars. It's about which liar tells the lies you like the most 😁 Libdem candidate steps aside for the greens (I think?) Libdems field another Libdem. Seems it's only greens and the Welsh mob who've to stand aside for them. Another candidate is about to stand aside but the Libdems will put someone else in. He says he'll stand but asks for the constituency to vote labour. Muppets. Edited November 13, 2019 by ri Alban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) Living wage (and min wage) rise. Income tax threshold gets increased. Landlords put rents up to match. Rinse and repeat. Property makes more money per annum as income. Makes property values rise. People can't afford property. Housing benefit and help to buy is money from general taxation given to landlords and property sellers to prop up the market. If the rental market was properly regulated, we'd not have to keep giving people more money and feeding the cycle of bullshit. If we truly had a free market economy, housing benefit and help to buy and min wage and living wage wouldn't exist, property prices and rents would fall to what the market could actually bear. Edited November 13, 2019 by Cade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Cade said: Living wage (and min wage) rise. Income tax threshold gets increased. Landlords put rents up to match. Rinse and repeat. Property makes more money per annum as income. Makes property values rise. People can't afford property. Housing benefit and help to buy is money from general taxation given to landlords and property sellers to prop up the market. If the rental market was properly regulated, we'd not have to keep giving people more money and feeding the cycle of bullshit. If we truly had a free market economy, housing benefit and help to buy and min wage and living wage wouldn't exist, property prices and rents would fall to what the market could actually bear. Selling the cooncil hoose stock was the biggest crime of the last century. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 2 hours ago, jack D and coke said: It’s a good way of putting things tbh. A position that a lot of people would struggle to defend. It’s the same really as this once in a generation nonsense. A WM government or PM can pretty much say whatever it likes and you’ve just to shrug it off and never think about holding them to it whereas us daft scotch lot will maybe get a chance to pipe up in another 25 years whether we keep voting for it or not. They’ll decide Add in the the fact hardly any of the promises have been kept and was the first time we really got to discuss this future in over 300 years too. But oh no that’s enough jock, get back in your box now and we’ll maybe let you talk about it again in 25-30 years. As others point out with the likes of fresh water and all our resources they ain’t for letting go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 40 minutes ago, Jambo, Goodbye said: I've long accepted that they are all liars. It's about which liar tells the lies you like the most 😁 Surely in the running for the post of the year award. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 hour ago, dobmisterdobster said: I have worked at McDonald's for a brief period. I didn't expect to earn a decent living doing fast food work. Working a full time job should give you enough income to live a decent life. The tories don't just have contempt for the unemployed, they have contempt for those in the wrong type of employment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 57 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said: She's a loon like all Lib Dems. Liars too. Aye because all parties tell the truth, tbh bud ive lost all patience with our politics in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Jambo, Goodbye said: Nobody mentioned a decent living, just breaking even and having a life. If that counts as decent though, it's fair enough imo. You got something wrong further up the thread, just to remind you that the workers must be "deluded" as you put it. Only the ones who demand 15/hour which isn't many of them. I do agree with the worker you quoted. £8/hour is not enough if you work in London. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Everyone and their nan knows the Lib Dems are going to put Corbyn in power for a price. That's why they are having trouble in Tory areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 23 minutes ago, Harry Potter said: Aye because all parties tell the truth, tbh bud ive lost all patience with our politics in the UK. No one can fault you that! But putting them all on equal footing, as if they're all the same, just because they all aren't truthful 100% of the time is to let the worst of the lot off. It's exactly what the worst want you to do, in all honesty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Some appaling mathematics in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticJambo Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Do the math then! I'm willing to stand corrected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 hour ago, hughesie27 said: Some appaling mathematics in this thread. Budding politicians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Cade said: Living wage (and min wage) rise. Income tax threshold gets increased. Landlords put rents up to match. Rinse and repeat. Property makes more money per annum as income. Makes property values rise. People can't afford property. Housing benefit and help to buy is money from general taxation given to landlords and property sellers to prop up the market. If the rental market was properly regulated, we'd not have to keep giving people more money and feeding the cycle of bullshit. If we truly had a free market economy, housing benefit and help to buy and min wage and living wage wouldn't exist, property prices and rents would fall to what the market could actually bear. This has already been tried in several American cities. Long story short. It doesn't work and rents are higher than ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 hour ago, hughesie27 said: Some appaling mathematics in this thread. How'd ye work that oot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 17 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said: This has already been tried in several American cities. Long story short. It doesn't work and rents are higher than ever. There is a need to put rent controls now, the housing benefit bill is extortionate mainly from greedy landlords... see them try to get tenants who are just working , they wont. They will need to accept the rent caps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 4 hours ago, ri Alban said: Selling the cooncil hoose stock was the biggest crime of the last century. 47 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: There is a need to put rent controls now, the housing benefit bill is extortionate mainly from greedy landlords... see them try to get tenants who are just working , they wont. They will need to accept the rent caps. Councils are paying private landlords £000s (probably mainly paid by housing benefit) for ex council houses as temporary accommodation for homeless people. Because there aren't enough Council houses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 hour ago, JamesM48 said: There is a need to put rent controls now, the housing benefit bill is extortionate mainly from greedy landlords... see them try to get tenants who are just working , they wont. They will need to accept the rent caps. The Democrats in the USA have tried this in cities like New York and Chicago to stop so-called gentrification. Failed miserably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 37 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said: The Democrats in the USA have tried this in cities like New York and Chicago to stop so-called gentrification. Failed miserably. And in Germany it works great. What's your point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toggie88 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Not an expert, but I believe what is often seen when rent caps are introduced is that landlords will react beforehand with over-inflated prices and then will periodically increase the amount when allowed. Means the entire market increases exponentially in the first few years. This might be a basic way to view it but is it not largely down to just supply and demand? House prices and in turn rental prices are a result of developers drip-feeding new housing stock on the market and sitting on land for prolonged periods of time (see Western Harbour). A mechanism to encourage more building is what is needed but with current practices and NIMBY attitude of Edinburgh residents towards new developments or infrastructure change, it's difficult to see a workable solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, Toggie88 said: Not an expert, but I believe what is often seen when rent caps are introduced is that landlords will react beforehand with over-inflated prices and then will periodically increase the amount when allowed. Means the entire market increases exponentially in the first few years. This might be a basic way to view it but is it not largely down to just supply and demand? House prices and in turn rental prices are a result of developers drip-feeding new housing stock on the market and sitting on land for prolonged periods of time (see Western Harbour). A mechanism to encourage more building is what is needed but with current practices and NIMBY attitude of Edinburgh residents towards new developments or infrastructure change, it's difficult to see a workable solution. The demand for rentals is largely due to the cost of buying. The way I see it, the government should be applying some very severe tax hits to people with second homes or more than one property. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toggie88 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: The demand for rentals is largely due to the cost of buying. The way I see it, the government should be applying some very severe tax hits to people with second homes or more than one property. Yes, second property tax would help reduce cost of buying but would rents not also increase as a result of increase cost of being a private landlord? Not dismissing your suggestion at all, genuinely interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Just now, Toggie88 said: Yes, second property tax would help reduce cost of buying but would rents not also increase as a result of increase cost of being a private landlord? Not dismissing your suggestion at all, genuinely interested. If it was easier to buy, the rental market would not be so competitive (in theory anyway). The current system is designed to let a minority hog a disproportionate share of the housing market Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Meanwhile on Planet SNP.... SNP MP David Linden on the Andrew Neil show. Car crash TV at its best. When he was told that if Scotland used the pound outside a currency union, it couldn't print it's own currency, he said: "that's not entirely true" "we already use English and Scottish notes here" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Neil: Scotland's fiscal deficit is 7%, EU says it can't be above 3%, how do you save? SNP: Getting rid of nuclear weapons Neil: How much does that save? SNP: Er, lots Neil: So you'd close Rosyth and lose thousands of jobs in defence SNP: No, we'd spend the savings on defence Neil: Eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Izemore Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 On 10/11/2019 at 21:32, frankblack said: It doesn't bother me. I am more bothered by the SNP suppressing an official enquiry into the Sick Kids fiasco and the upcoming court case. Apologies for being late to this but ‘It doesn’t bother me’ stands tallest as everything that’s wrong and corrupt about politics in this country. You honestly can’t really mean that? Apathy and a lack of engagement and accountability is ‘exactly’ why charlatans of all political persuasions are ruining our lives. Your second statement may be true, I honestly don’t know, but if you wash your hands of it then how can you change anything? You normally come across as a reasoned poster but that statement is horrifying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 55 minutes ago, Trapper John McIntyre said: Neil: Scotland's fiscal deficit is 7%, EU says it can't be above 3%, how do you save? SNP: Getting rid of nuclear weapons Neil: How much does that save? SNP: Er, lots Neil: So you'd close Rosyth and lose thousands of jobs in defence SNP: No, we'd spend the savings on defence Neil: Eh? What's the UK's fiscal deficit? I wouldn't tell that Uncle Tom, Neil anything. Hope the SNP fudge and blether mince to all these Stockholm Syndrome goons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 This thread has gone strangely quiet of late... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC_Hearts Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Hasn't been a connection between Rosyth and nuclear weapons since the 90's? However as someone employed in the defence industry I find any claim that the SNP would spend money on defence laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, EC_Hearts said: Hasn't been a connection between Rosyth and nuclear weapons since the 90's? However as someone employed in the defence industry I find any claim that the SNP would spend money on defence laughable. Well I mean if you work in that sector then you must know, I mean Scotland has no army atm doesn’t it and the SNP probably hate you and armies so that’s that settled. Cheers for that mate👍🏼 We’re a sitting duck then aren’t we. We’ll get invaded by somebody it’s a nap. I mean the SNP will run Scotland for ever and ever and ever and ever too. Add that to Trippers posts about how rubbish Scotland is and I’m absolutely beside myself here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, EC_Hearts said: Hasn't been a connection between Rosyth and nuclear weapons since the 90's? However as someone employed in the defence industry I find any claim that the SNP would spend money on defence laughable. That's right. A self governing Scotland won't have any defence. No army, navy or air force. We will put them all with the currency and behind the border wall. We can all live in peace eating grass and drinking water and defend ourselves with sticks and shouting at people we don't like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC_Hearts Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Maybe I didn't explain myself too well beforehand. Working for a defence company means you are subjected to visits from politicians of all parties particularly those in power, however the current Scottish Government are the exception to the rule. Whilst the military are a major customer the technology developed in Edinburgh does have a purpose in civilian markets as well however the Scottish government appear to show no interest whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Its quite amazing how many clever, inventive and entertaining ways there are to say “Im Scottish and Scotland is SHITE”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 27 minutes ago, Trapper John McIntyre said: This thread has gone strangely quiet of late... Stop posting pish and it might change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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EC_Hearts Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Pans Jambo said: Its quite amazing how many clever, inventive and entertaining ways there are to say “Im Scottish and Scotland is SHITE”. I'm certainly not suggesting that. I'm a proud Scotsman and proud of the fact that some of the Avionics Technology developed in Edinburgh is up there with the best in the world. Disappointed that the Scottish government don't show any interest - you bet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: Its quite amazing how many clever, inventive and entertaining ways there are to say “Im Scottish and Scotland is SHITE”. That interview was abysmal though mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Just now, EC_Hearts said: I'm certainly not suggesting that. I'm a proud Scotsman and proud of the fact that some of the Avionics Technology developed in Edinburgh is up there with the best in the world. Disappointed that the Scottish government don't show any interest - you bet That’s disappointing to hear definitely. Sorry I lumped you in with that other 🤡👍🏼 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC_Hearts Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 No bother mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Zlatanable said: Well the SNP have committed to the NATO target of spending 2% of GDP on defence. Yeah I’d seen that commitment before. Id like to think they’d invest and support the industries mentioned by EC Hearts too. Some amazing tech comes from military. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 8 hours ago, Justin Z said: No one can fault you that! But putting them all on equal footing, as if they're all the same, just because they all aren't truthful 100% of the time is to let the worst of the lot off. It's exactly what the worst want you to do, in all honesty. So let's just accept it and vote for those who lie in a way that suits your political outlook. Progressive stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 35 minutes ago, EC_Hearts said: Maybe I didn't explain myself too well beforehand. Working for a defence company means you are subjected to visits from politicians of all parties particularly those in power, however the current Scottish Government are the exception to the rule. Whilst the military are a major customer the technology developed in Edinburgh does have a purpose in civilian markets as well however the Scottish government appear to show no interest whatsoever. Cheers EC. The issue is that we don't know what the government would be until after a Scottish General Election. That's the whole point. We would vote for policies that would best suit our needs and they would decide which companies are deserving of our taxes. Maybe the company you work are anti SNP or Scottish Government. I don't know why they wouldn't promote your business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, Zlatanable said: Well the SNP have committed to the NATO target of spending 2% of GDP on defence. Yay Hurray for more weapons to .........what ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 36 minutes ago, Trapper John McIntyre said: Sterling would drop like a stone without Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Just now, Zlatanable said: Are you watching BBC Scotland Debate Night? #BBCDN About to start on BBC Scotland. Don't watch BBC news or political programmes. Too insulting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, Zlatanable said: Having watched David Linden (SNP) on The Andrew Neil Show, the issue is- The SNP are saying they would cut spending in an indy Scotland by not having Trident. (Bairns not Bombs etc) But the actual reality on the ground is The SNP would actually spend a lot of money on the site, re-purposing it it all, so the saving would not be that much. So in effect, there is not that much saving to be made, if SNP are committed to the 2% NATO spending pledge. (And I highly doubt the decommissioning of Faslane will be quick, easy, or cheap) Think it’s all guesswork with regards who’d be on the hook for faslane. Be a split of sorts, like a lot of things. It wouldn’t be an overnight thing deciding what happens with it for starters. Years sorting that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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