Brighton Jambo Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Just now, Smithee said: Yeah it was untidy, but for the sake of clarity my point is that you're pointing the finger at the snp for not mitigating the damage caused by the party you voted for. Yes partly. I recognise that in the main they can’t and I’m not trying to say they are culpable to anywhere near the same level as the conservatives, of course they aren’t but they have chosen to forgo the transfer for benefits powers until 2024. I don’t care what anyone says if they took those powers now they could mitigate some of the damage and deserve criticism accordingly. It is actually possible to criticise two governments at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Brighton Jambo said: Yes partly. I recognise that in the main they can’t and I’m not trying to say they are culpable to anywhere near the same level as the conservatives, of course they aren’t but they have chosen to forgo the transfer for benefits powers until 2024. I don’t care what anyone says if they took those powers now they could mitigate some of the damage and deserve criticism accordingly. It is actually possible to criticise two governments at the same time. It is, but this is specifically a Westminster thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 It will be better when we see the actual manifestos. Labour next week. Conservatives the week after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Smithee said: It is, but this is specifically a Westminster thread. Don’t be pedantic, the performance of the SNP in the Scottish Parliament is a perfectly valid data point for whether people feel they should or shouldn’t vote for them in a general election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said: This BBC bias stuff is laughable and the postings of the paranoid. For months and months leave voters have been screaming that the BBC is biased towards remain and now suddenly they are supporting the conservatives who advocate leaving. clearly someone is wrong. And yet when they are found out you dismiss it, Something clearly wrong there mate. Hiding corruption: The Prime Minister has acted beyond the conventions of his authority by demanding that specific names be removed from a report into Russian influence on UK politics by the parliamentary Intelligence and Security Committee (ISC), according to sources close to the committee. The names listed in the report are Conservative Party donors and ‘personal friends’ of the Prime Minister. This is a HUGE signifier of Government corruption and collusion with foreign governments, And will therefore no doubt be ignored by all major news organizations. Number 10 or senior ministers can order the redaction of names ONLY if publication is regarded a matter of national security. If the truth is simply politically inconvenient or embarrassing for Number 10 or the Conservative Party that individuals are named in a controversial report, that cannot be an official reason to issue an order that names be covered up. The major news orgs need to step up. Nothing paranoid about that. When no one holds power to account, Corruption becomes standard practice, going unchecked by the institutions that are supposed to protect our democracy by shining a light into shady places. The BBC HAVE in the past had to apologize for airing MISLEADING news reports on Corbyn , this is a fact and not paranoid, but you knew that anyway. Nick Robinson from the BBC ... Impartial.. Edited November 12, 2019 by maroonlegions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said: Don’t be pedantic, the performance of the SNP in the Scottish Parliament is a perfectly valid data point for whether people feel they should or shouldn’t vote for them in a general election. The Scottish Tories are pathetic, but I bet you don't take that into account, coz it's only the SNP that you judge twice. Edited November 12, 2019 by ri Alban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobboM Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: It will be better when we see the actual manifestos. Labour next week. Conservatives the week after. I think that, in line with Tory policy on releasing government reports on Russia funding of Brexit, postponing the Jennifer Acuri investigation, postponing release of information on the state of the economy and dumpig the pledge to investigte the rampant Islamaphobia in the Tory party, actually the Tory manifesto now won't be relaesed until AFTER the eleciton. Edited November 12, 2019 by RobboM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, ri Alban said: The Scottish Tories are pathetic, but I bet you don't take that into account, coz it's only the SNP that you judge twice. I categorically won’t be voting for Scottish conservatives. As I have aid on here before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 12 minutes ago, maroonlegions said: And yet when they are found out you dismiss it, Something clearly wrong there mate. Hiding corruption: The Prime Minister has acted beyond the conventions of his authority by demanding that specific names be removed from a report into Russian influence on UK politics by the parliamentary Intelligence and Security Committee (ISC), according to sources close to the committee. The names listed in the report are Conservative Party donors and ‘personal friends’ of the Prime Minister. This is a HUGE signifier of Government corruption and collusion with foreign governments, And will therefore no doubt be ignored by all major news organizations. Number 10 or senior ministers can order the redaction of names ONLY if publication is regarded a matter of national security. If the truth is simply politically inconvenient or embarrassing for Number 10 or the Conservative Party that individuals are named in a controversial report, that cannot be an official reason to issue an order that names be covered up. The major news orgs need to step up. Nothing paranoid about that. When no one holds power to account, Corruption becomes standard practice, going unchecked by the institutions that are supposed to protect our democracy by shining a light into shady places. The BBC HAVE in the past had to apologize for airing MISLEADING news reports on Corbyn , this is a fact and not paranoid, but you knew that anyway. But the headline on the BBC news page for most the day has been Hilary Clinton calling it Shameful that the Tory government has been suppressing the report. The main headline! how is that ignoring it or covering it up. The BBC bias chat is paranoia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 21 minutes ago, ri Alban said: The Scottish Tories are pathetic, but I bet you don't take that into account, coz it's only the SNP that you judge twice. This election AGAIN is being made about INDYREF2 and the SNP. It should be about Boris and this Tory governments brutal austerity war on the poor and needy and the vulnerable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 35 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said: Don’t be pedantic, the performance of the SNP in the Scottish Parliament is a perfectly valid data point for whether people feel they should or shouldn’t vote for them in a general election. It's hardly pedantic, we're talking about Westminster elections here and you're pointing the finger at Holyrood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, maroonlegions said: This election AGAIN is being made about INDYREF2 and the SNP. It should be about Boris and this Tory governments brutal austerity war on the poor and needy and the vulnerable. We have plenty people on here showing why not so many care about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Hopefully the removal of Trump, is the beginning of the end for these trumpets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 2 hours ago, maroonlegions said: This election AGAIN is being made about INDYREF2 and the SNP. It should be about Boris and this Tory governments brutal austerity war on the poor and needy and the vulnerable. That’s because the SNP are a one trick pony. Sturgeon’s political career has one more referendum left in it - because after that, when she has to do something other than bang on about independence, she’ll be shown up for the empty suit that she is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Ray Gin said: Rachael Swindon - one of shan dot liarson’s pals, not doubt. A sanctimonious bint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 What has this thread got to do with the election? Its just the usual JKB/SNP hate fest crap against Unionism/ The Tory Party plus a sprinkling of pseudo love towards the arch creep Corbyn. I do however get the rather pleasing impression that the ScotNat drones here are keeching themselves ever so slightly this time. Tactical voting on a grand scale won't be a phenomenon reserved solely for down South. Could be a night of unpleasant surprises for many. I don't care who wins; I'll raise a glass to any of the Parties that removes an SNP MP on the night. The more the merrier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Oh yes, what on earth do the horrific behaviour and policies of the Tory party have to do with a bloody election? Don't concern your little heads with such things. Now trot off to the polls and vote Conservative like good little submissives, yeah? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Did I really see Corbyn proposing £15 a hour for McDonalds workers? Someone put that idiot out of his misery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 15 minutes ago, Trapper John McIntyre said: What has this thread got to do with the election? Its just the usual JKB/SNP hate fest crap against Unionism/ The Tory Party plus a sprinkling of pseudo love towards the arch creep Corbyn. I do however get the rather pleasing impression that the ScotNat drones here are keeching themselves ever so slightly this time. Tactical voting on a grand scale won't be a phenomenon reserved solely for down South. Could be a night of unpleasant surprises for many. I don't care who wins; I'll raise a glass to any of the Parties that removes an SNP MP on the night. The more the merrier. Do you think the SNP will win more or less seats? Be honest, now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 2 hours ago, XB52 said: So you posted a load of garbage, thanks for admitting it. Lookforward to your next SNP bad tirade, maybe check first though. PS nice bit of personal abuse, thanks for that. Just what I expect from a tory Lol Reminds me of a tory apologist on here who berated me for ‘personal abuse’ and’ playing the man’! tory hypocrisy knows no bounds. Just like their minions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 8 hours ago, redjambo said: Further reading shows that 3,000 individuals applied to be candidates and provided a £100 non-refundable deposit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: Did I really see Corbyn proposing £15 a hour for McDonalds workers? Someone put that idiot out of his misery No McDonald's workers want £15 an hour. Labour offering £10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annushorribilis III Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Trapper John McIntyre said: What has this thread got to do with the election? Its just the usual JKB/SNP hate fest crap against Unionism/ The Tory Party plus a sprinkling of pseudo love towards the arch creep Corbyn. I do however get the rather pleasing impression that the ScotNat drones here are keeching themselves ever so slightly this time. Tactical voting on a grand scale won't be a phenomenon reserved solely for down South. Could be a night of unpleasant surprises for many. I don't care who wins; I'll raise a glass to any of the Parties that removes an SNP MP on the night. The more the merrier. As a Scot who lives in England I'd like to pose a question : at the last Indy Ref it was said that Scotland is "better together" but when it came to brexit the message was "better alone". So , for clarity, what is the message ? If brexit is about "independence day, taking back control, being an independent nation, not being a law taker but a law maker , making our own trade deals". Why wouldn't Scotland do that ? Or want that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Scotland has 100 times more than it uses in water supply. England and Wales doesn't have enough. But hey, they'll no want it after sexit. If Scotland supplies 40% of the UKs gas supply, why would we need to import post sexit. If Scotland supplies... Nevermind, we're too wee, too stupid, etc... etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 10 hours ago, Ray Gin said: Oh yes, what on earth do the horrific behaviour and policies of the Tory party have to do with a bloody election? Don't concern your little heads with such things. Now trot off to the polls and vote Conservative like good little submissives, yeah? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Christine Jardine just on BBC just now , comes across as very caring and talking a lot of sense, getting my vote , oh and shes Liberal democrat. My days of voting labour are well gone, that party is well gone down the pan.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 10 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: Rachael Swindon - one of shan dot liarson’s pals, not doubt. A sanctimonious bint Makes a good point though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 2 hours ago, ri Alban said: Scotland has 100 times more than it uses in water supply. England and Wales doesn't have enough. But hey, they'll no want it after sexit. If Scotland supplies 40% of the UKs gas supply, why would we need to import post sexit. If Scotland supplies... Nevermind, we're too wee, too stupid, etc... etc... Been saying this for years. They will be begging us for water when they eventually run out. Parts of england already suffering droughts. Liquid gold. We should be investing more in stopping water wastage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 minute ago, AlimOzturk said: Been saying this for years. They will be begging us for water when they eventually run out. Parts of england already suffering droughts. Liquid gold. We should be investing more in stopping water wastage I think the 3 of us (Aussie, yourself & me) all realise that Scotland has an abundant supply of 'liquid gold' which is going to be so precious in the future, wars will be fought over it, this is why we need to invest invest invest & invest even more into trying to capture and preserve as much as we can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 9 hours ago, annushorribilis III said: As a Scot who lives in England I'd like to pose a question : at the last Indy Ref it was said that Scotland is "better together" but when it came to brexit the message was "better alone". So , for clarity, what is the message ? If brexit is about "independence day, taking back control, being an independent nation, not being a law taker but a law maker , making our own trade deals". Why wouldn't Scotland do that ? Or want that? It’s a good way of putting things tbh. A position that a lot of people would struggle to defend. It’s the same really as this once in a generation nonsense. A WM government or PM can pretty much say whatever it likes and you’ve just to shrug it off and never think about holding them to it whereas us daft scotch lot will maybe get a chance to pipe up in another 25 years whether we keep voting for it or not. They’ll decide Add in the the fact hardly any of the promises have been kept and was the first time we really got to discuss this future in over 300 years too. But oh no that’s enough jock, get back in your box now and we’ll maybe let you talk about it again in 25-30 years. As others point out with the likes of fresh water and all our resources they ain’t for letting go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Harry Potter said: Christine Jardine just on BBC just now , comes across as very caring and talking a lot of sense, getting my vote , oh and shes Liberal democrat. My days of voting labour are well gone, that party is well gone down the pan.. Can't stand her, the Lib Dems and their shallow leader. SNP EDI West in my family, only logical choice for our country until self governance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Harry Potter said: Christine Jardine just on BBC just now , comes across as very caring and talking a lot of sense, getting my vote , oh and shes Liberal democrat. My days of voting labour are well gone, that party is well gone down the pan.. I'm sure she's great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 hour ago, AlimOzturk said: Been saying this for years. They will be begging us for water when they eventually run out. Parts of england already suffering droughts. Liquid gold. We should be investing more in stopping water wastage We've better ice than the Eskimos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: It’s a good way of putting things tbh. A position that a lot of people would struggle to defend. It’s the same really as this once in a generation nonsense. A WM government or PM can pretty much say whatever it likes and you’ve just to shrug it off and never think about holding them to it whereas us daft scotch lot will maybe get a chance to pipe up in another 25 years whether we keep voting for it or not. They’ll decide Add in the the fact hardly any of the promises have been kept and was the first time we really got to discuss this future in over 300 years too. But oh no that’s enough jock, get back in your box now and we’ll maybe let you talk about it again in 25-30 years. As others point out with the likes of fresh water and all our resources they ain’t for letting go. The UK has had 2 eurefs in 40+ years. Scotland has had 1 in 312+ years. We must being living longer than they're telling us. Our generations must be a helluva long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 27 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: It’s a good way of putting things tbh. A position that a lot of people would struggle to defend. It’s the same really as this once in a generation nonsense. A WM government or PM can pretty much say whatever it likes and you’ve just to shrug it off and never think about holding them to it whereas us daft scotch lot will maybe get a chance to pipe up in another 25 years whether we keep voting for it or not. It's true. If some offhand remarks by politicians about once in a generation/lifetime opportunities are like holy writ, what of actual vows? **** all from this has been adhered to--quite the opposite given Westminster's subsequent showing of immediate contempt for Sewel and the Scottish Parliament--but it's merely a written, signed vow. It doesn't count. Mugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 12 hours ago, Mikey1874 said: No McDonald's workers want £15 an hour. Labour offering £10. Activists want £15. Workers aren't that deluded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Actual photo of an SNP member sitting having cake with 2 x "Scottish" tory members on the morning of December 13th 2019 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo, Goodbye Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said: Activists want £15. Workers aren't that deluded. It was the workers that have been going on strike for a couple of years now. Today they had a walk out. Don't see why you would pretend otherwise? From the BBC, An employee at Crayford McDonald's in London, Lewis Baker, said he will be striking because he struggles to pay rent on his income of £8.80 an hour. Mr Baker, 29, said: "There are a lot of workers who are struggling to pay their bills and get by day to day. "We don't have set hours, so we don't always earn enough to pay the bills. Edited November 13, 2019 by Jambo, Goodbye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 26 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said: Activists want £15. Workers aren't that deluded. Wanting paid enough to live a decent life, the nerve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo, Goodbye Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Just now, Smithee said: Wanting paid enough to live a decent life, the nerve. £8.80 is more than good enough, and don't you forget it! Incredible levels of delusion indeed 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 17 minutes ago, Smithee said: Wanting paid enough to live a decent life, the nerve. I have worked at McDonald's for a brief period. I didn't expect to earn a decent living doing fast food work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said: I have worked at McDonald's for a brief period. I didn't expect to earn a decent living doing fast food work. The difference arises for people who this sort of job is their main income. There are a lot of people in low paid work. Most people defined as in 'poverty' are working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticJambo Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 38 minutes ago, Jambo, Goodbye said: £8.80 is more than good enough, and don't you forget it! Incredible levels of delusion indeed 🙄 A raise to a tenner an hour on a 40 hr work week is roughly 20 quid extra a week, over the course of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo, Goodbye Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Just now, ArcticJambo said: A raise to a tenner an hour on a 40 hr work week is roughly 20 quid extra a week, over the course of the year. They want £15 though. Btw, isn't a raise of £1.20 an hour x 40, £48 extra a week? Let me know if I've missed something 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticJambo Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jambo, Goodbye said: They want £15 though. Btw, isn't a raise of £1.20 an hour x 40, £48 extra a week? Let me know if I've missed something 👍 I'd take 15 an hour for a min wage job. Was basing it on 8K (for the tenner) that will be taxed at 20% tho I think it might be 19 actually but I may have missed something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo, Goodbye Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 29 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said: I have worked at McDonald's for a brief period. I didn't expect to earn a decent living doing fast food work. Nobody mentioned a decent living, just breaking even and having a life. If that counts as decent though, it's fair enough imo. You got something wrong further up the thread, just to remind you that the workers must be "deluded" as you put it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 4 hours ago, Harry Potter said: Christine Jardine just on BBC just now , comes across as very caring and talking a lot of sense, getting my vote , oh and shes Liberal democrat. My days of voting labour are well gone, that party is well gone down the pan.. You obviously didn't hear her last week on the BBC then, talking a complete load of pish and plain downright lies. She told Maxine Croxall in an interview that the Lib Dems are the only remain party in Scotland, that the SNP campaigned for both remain & leave during the EU ref and only joined the remain side AFTER the EU referendum result was announced, and like a true politician she said all of this with a straight face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo, Goodbye Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ArcticJambo said: I'd take 15 an hour for a min wage job. Was basing it on 8K (for the tenner) that will be taxed at 20% tho I think it might be 19 actually but I may have missed something. So would I! Tbh I thought £15 seemed a bit cheeky 😁 Tax threshold is up to £12,500 this year mind. So 8k would be 0% tax. So even a wee increase makes a decent difference to low incomes. Edited November 13, 2019 by Jambo, Goodbye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticJambo Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Just now, Jambo, Goodbye said: So would I! Tax threshold is up to £12,500 this year mind. So 8k would be 0% tax. So even a wee increase makes a decent difference to low incomes. That's 31.5K a year! Isn't it 12.5K tax free then the rest at 19/20% so roughly 1700 paid in tax (plus slightly higher NI contributions) but yes a bit more wouldn't go amiss tbf. 20 quid pays food for a family of four for a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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