Pasquale for King Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Absolute bullshit. Did you not start a thread “It’s not just Levein and Hearts” yesterday? Is this picture not something you said four hours ago? Edited March 19, 2019 by Pasquale for King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 43 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Ours has barely changed since October though has it? We've had a few highs since then but too many lows I agree. However, a team generally needs to be judged over a season imo. The final league positions don’t lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 4 hours ago, mitch41 said: Loonies are in charge of your posts. You accept crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said: I think you’re missing the point. It wouldn’t have mattered who the manager was then - our under 21 side with a 15 point deduction was always going to get relegated. The point being, with a decent manager, this team could be doing much, much better. Hell, we might even manage to beat Hamilton, Dundee and St Mirren. And don’t spout the shite about 2 cup semi finals. Failure to have achieved that with the piss easy draws would have been a complete failure. Motherwell and Livi, even at home, weren't piss easy. We have besten Hamilton, Dundee and St Mirren this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 20 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: He was on the bench so I think he was fit, he did ok at Killie last month I think. Uche was on bench but far from 100% fit. Morrison started and far from 100% fit. Berra is clearly not 100% fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, davemclaren said: We've had a few highs since then but too many lows I agree. However, a team generally needs to be judged over a season imo. The final league positions don’t lie. I agree, but folk seem to think two easy runs to semi finals and maybe a final constitute a good season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Just now, soonbe110 said: Uche was on bench but far from 100% fit. Morrison started and far from 100% fit. Berra is clearly not 100% fit. Why did they play then, maybe that’s why we lacked focus and aggression. We have a big squad with some good youngsters, no need to force guys to play when they’re clearly struggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Pasquale for King said: I agree, but folk seem to think two easy runs to semi finals and maybe a final constitute a good season. It constitutes a better season than most where we’ve not had two runs to the semis ( you can only beat who you draw ) and maybe a final/trophy...in my book anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Did you not start a thread “It’s not just Levein and Hearts” yesterday? Is this picture not something you said four hours ago? You have certainly lost me now. I’m not wasting anymore time trying to decipher your posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Motherwell and Livi, even at home, weren't piss easy. We have besten Hamilton, Dundee and St Mirren this season. I disagree about Livi - they’ve been rank since the winter break and barely scored a goal. They were brutal in that cup tie at Tynie, that said, so were we and we were lucky to beat them. Motherwell, the opposite, poor before Christmas but been on a good run post break, albeit against the bottom 6 shite. I wasn’t at that game but by all accounts we played well. Have we played well since then other than the recent Celtic game? We’ve also lost to Hamilton, Dundee and St Mirren. Three of the worst teams to have ever played in the Premier League. That in itself is a damning and embarrassing statistic that Levein should be ashamed of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, davemclaren said: We've had a few highs since then but too many lows I agree. However, a team generally needs to be judged over a season imo. The final league positions don’t lie. We will end up 6th. I’m convinced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shovelly Joe Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 51 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Didn’t realise it was up to you, close thread. I’ll take your thoughts into consideration too don’t worry ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, davemclaren said: It constitutes a better season than most where we’ve not had two runs to the semis ( you can only beat who you draw ) and maybe a final/trophy...in my book anyway. Alongside finishing 6th? Did you not just say league position was the way of judging a season? Edited March 19, 2019 by Pasquale for King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Shovelly Joe said: I’ll take your thoughts into consideration too don’t worry ? Thanks, might take a while ??. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 I do think he will leave of his own accord. Big question (and terrifying thought) is will we be left with McPhee and Daley ? that thought alone gives me the fear given their significant input into the truly awful fare we are served now. I’ll renew naturally but the thought is awful watching them at the helm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 31 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Alongside finishing 6th? Did you not just say league position was the way of judging a season? Yes, Leagues are the best indicator of how good a tesm is. But cup performances matter as well. I would personally say that 2011/12 was a successful season because we won the cup despite us finishing fifth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 32 minutes ago, 1971fozzy said: We will end up 6th. I’m convinced. That’s a possibility, but so are higher positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 19 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Yes, Leagues are the best indicator of how good a tesm is. But cup performances matter as well. I would personally say that 2011/12 was a successful season because we won the cup despite us finishing fifth. Definitely, but a few people on here say the football was dire to watch and don’t want Sergio back. They ironically enough admit the football is for but also say finishing 5th this season and getting to two semis is a reason Levein should carry on next season ??♂️?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Definitely, but a few people on here say the football was dire to watch and don’t want Sergio back. They ironically enough admit the football is for but also say finishing 5th this season and getting to two semis is a reason Levein should carry on next season ??♂️?? I didn’t want Sergio to leave after the win the cup as I think that earned him another season but not convinced I’d want him back. Anyway, fans had no influence at all under Vlad so it was moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mykel_wcip Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 I don’t think some of the people who comment here actually understand how bad we are. It hurts to go watch them play. Every move we make seems sussed out, we can’t cross, we never score, Berra just heads the ball up field to the opposition, it’s shite to watch. We have scrapped our way to a semi and Europe looks out of reach. I believe we have some good players but the management can’t and won’t get the best out of them. Imagine how hard it must be playing under CL as a striker/attacker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mykel_wcip said: I don’t think some of the people who comment here actually understand how bad we are. It hurts to go watch them play. Every move we make seems sussed out, we can’t cross, we never score, Berra just heads the ball up field to the opposition, it’s shite to watch. We have scrapped our way to a semi and Europe looks out of reach. I believe we have some good players but the management can’t and won’t get the best out of them. Imagine how hard it must be playing under CL as a striker/attacker. Spot on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 13 minutes ago, davemclaren said: I didn’t want Sergio to leave after the win the cup as I think that earned him another season but not convinced I’d want him back. Anyway, fans had no influence at all under Vlad so it was moot. I’m not sure either but it would be interesting to see how he could do in these circumstances. He is the type of manager I think we should bring in though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerjambo Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, Mykel_wcip said: I don’t think some of the people who comment here actually understand how bad we are. It hurts to go watch them play. Every move we make seems sussed out, we can’t cross, we never score, Berra just heads the ball up field to the opposition, it’s shite to watch. We have scrapped our way to a semi and Europe looks out of reach. I believe we have some good players but the management can’t and won’t get the best out of them. Imagine how hard it must be playing under CL as a striker/attacker. This, all day long!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mykel_wcip said: I don’t think some of the people who comment here actually understand how bad we are. It hurts to go watch them play. Every move we make seems sussed out, we can’t cross, we never score, Berra just heads the ball up field to the opposition, it’s shite to watch. We have scrapped our way to a semi and Europe looks out of reach. I believe we have some good players but the management can’t and won’t get the best out of them. Imagine how hard it must be playing under CL as a striker/attacker. Practically impossible unless you can pretty much engineer the chance yourself. I think that’s a damning indictment of Daly, does he not point that out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB GIN Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 2 hours ago, JamboGraham said: I certainly wouldn’t think that would be the case... Always worth keeping in mind that the very heart of all these debates is that fact that the team with the 4th biggest budget is currently 5th. We really should be 4th and could be 3rd...a disaster would be finishing 6th. No need to make the debate silly by talking about being 12th or even 11th. Regardless of all the emotion being shown we really are debating over fine margins and for many it appears to be a question of footballing philosophy as much as it is about results and points on the board. You make a good point but it’s the style of football nobody can say they enjoy watching the dross being served up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnjambo16 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 4 hours ago, soonbe110 said: We are five points behind them I think, if we win our two remaining games against we would go above. What part of ‘battling it out’ with them are you missing? I’ve seen this movie before but dream on I hope your right and I’m wrong good luck ...... we always need optimist as opposed to realists it’s why I’ve become cynical .... it’s just me I’m sure !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 9 hours ago, HMFC 86 said: Just ignore him, he gets his cheap thrills trolling everyone on here. He enjoyed Cathro’s management. Yeah because history shows us, on a global scale that football fans only turn up and enjoy the whole experience when the team is playing well. I've seen some shockingly bad football at Tynecastle over the years, never once did I question my team, loyalty or why I turned up. It's what you do and you accept the bad with the good. I also enjoy the whole day. Obviously a good result/good football helps but It doesn't ruin my day if I don't get it. How you can accuse someone of enjoying the football day out of being ''a troll'' is ****** laughable, pal. If you cannot accept that, may I suggest you go follow Barca, Juve, PSG...Obviously supporting Hearts gives a lot on here no pleasure at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 4 hours ago, NB GIN said: You make a good point but it’s the style of football nobody can say they enjoy watching the dross being served up And no one is claiming they are enjoying the football. Not a soul. He makes a good point is where you should've stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviskan Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Bridge of Djoum said: And no one is claiming they are enjoying the football. Not a soul. Artful Dodger did...two pages back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviskan Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 12 hours ago, Artful Dodger said: Yes, I enjoy the football. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Deviskan said: Artful Dodger did...two pages back! Surprising, but you can't say he's lying. We all enjoy different things, for different reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimosavi Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Some valid points made on here in recent days 21 points from 20 games is worse than Cathros tenure and he was sacked Craig Levein should never have taken over the reigns, it took us near enough a month to look for a new man, then suddenly we give it too craig who hadn't managed in club football for 8 years took control. We've simply got this wrong again. We've got the 5 year plan wrong and the longer Ann and Craig don't admit this then the more fans are going to vote with their feet. Everyone can see this has gone wrong and it hasn't worked. So what we gave it a try but the longer Ann and Craig bury their heads in the sand hoping for a miracle the more peeved off fans like me wont be back until he's away. Ann and Craig have failed in their 5 year plan spectacularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 8 hours ago, NB GIN said: You make a good point but it’s the style of football nobody can say they enjoy watching the dross being served up This. Unless they have an agenda or dont actually go to the games, then its easy to say its been worse blah blah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Bishop Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 8 hours ago, Mykel_wcip said: I don’t think some of the people who comment here actually understand how bad we are. It hurts to go watch them play. Every move we make seems sussed out, we can’t cross, we never score, Berra just heads the ball up field to the opposition, it’s shite to watch. We have scrapped our way to a semi and Europe looks out of reach. I believe we have some good players but the management can’t and won’t get the best out of them. Imagine how hard it must be playing under CL as a striker/attacker. A striker/attacker you say, Surely you mean the first line of defence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB GIN Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 It’s time for a change and I would do it now A new manager will lift the team we are going nowhere at present It simply isn’t working just because he is a hearts legend doesn’t mean he should be untouchable. Craig Levein is lost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, NB GIN said: It’s time for a change and I would do it now A new manager will lift the team we are going nowhere at present It simply isn’t working just because he is a hearts legend doesn’t mean he should be untouchable. Craig Levein is lost Familiar style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, NB GIN said: It’s time for a change and I would do it now A new manager will lift the team we are going nowhere at present It simply isn’t working just because he is a hearts legend doesn’t mean he should be untouchable. Craig Levein is lost With whom? New manager is ????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 14 hours ago, Pasquale for King said: He set up the one we have just now and therefore must think it’s doing the job surely. I think we will need a DoF to set up a new scouting system ( for me a foreign guy with no OF connections with options for a similar new manager/head coach) I can’t see that working if Levein is that man. A seat on the board definitely but he has to be removed from any responsibility on the football side if we are to make progress. He’s on the board so I guess unless he resigns it’s a given he’ll be staying. I think the DoF is a waste of time with CL on the board . If we get a competent manager I’m sure they can work with him on scouting networks and player targets etc. Ultimately at any club the board have the final say on signings anyway so it won’t be any different. For all that’s said CL is still well respected in the game so I’d think most managers would appreciate his experience on the board and around the club so long as he stays out of first team matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WageThief Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 48 minutes ago, NB GIN said: It’s time for a change and I would do it now A new manager will lift the team we are going nowhere at present It simply isn’t working just because he is a hearts legend doesn’t mean he should be untouchable. Craig Levein is lost I personally believe that CLs legendary status makes him untouchable and he should NEVER be sacked. No matter what. He should be able to do whatever he likes, whenever he likes, wherever he likes. I heard him and Daly are using the lamps intended for the pitch to grow opium and are selling it around Broomhouse to make money on the side. Not a problem for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 hour ago, soonbe110 said: With whom? New manager is ????? You're not allowed to ask that. They know all the answers except that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inch Hearts Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 36 minutes ago, JamboAl said: You're not allowed to ask that. They know all the answers except that one. Oh Al, we all know that any suggestion of who a replacement could/would be would be shot down by the poster asking and a few others with yourself included. Also, Al - when Levein does leave, the people asking "who should we replace Craig with?" will be the same posters encouraging everyone to leave it to the "highly trusted" board and DoF to make the correct appointment by the same type of posters, yourself included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, JamboAl said: You're not allowed to ask that. They know all the answers except that one. Do you really expect any club to pick a new Manager/Coach on the basis of what fans think? You know full well that in any Business (and football's a business) the management have a selection process and why would HMFC be any different to the norm. The worry for many on here would be that CL would have a say in who the replacemant might be and on the assumption that he were to go then it would be best allround if he were excluded from the selection process. It was shown previously that the number of credible applicants for the role when CL was appointed was reduced and the club must ask themselves why this was. Could it be they did not want to work with CL? I don't know the answer to that but look at the number of reported applicants Hibs had when Lennon left. If press reports can be believed then they seemed to have large numbers of applicants so you would think that a club of our size should be able to attract similar if not better number of quality applicants as Hibs. I don't think anyone on here who is critical of CL has all the answers to the current problems nor do they profess to but they can see how poor the performances are and the negative style of play and lack of creativity we have so something is far wrong and it needs sorted soon. Edited March 20, 2019 by wavydavy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 42 minutes ago, Inch Hearts said: Oh Al, we all know that any suggestion of who a replacement could/would be would be shot down by the poster asking and a few others with yourself included. Also, Al - when Levein does leave, the people asking "who should we replace Craig with?" will be the same posters encouraging everyone to leave it to the "highly trusted" board and DoF to make the correct appointment by the same type of posters, yourself included. No, the reason I asked is because the poster wants a new management team NOW. Just wondering who he thought we could/should get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 21 minutes ago, wavydavy said: Do you really expect any club to pick a new Manager/Coach on the basis of what fans think? You know full well that in any Business (and football's a business) the management have a selection process and why would HMFC be any different to the norm. The worry for many on here would be that CL would have a say in who the replacemant might be and on the assumption that he were to go then it would be best allround if he were excluded from the selection process. It was shown previously that the number of credible applicants for the role when CL was appointed was reduced and the club must ask themselves why this was. Could it be they did not want to work with CL? I don't know the answer to that but look at the number of reported applicants Hibs had when Lennon left. If press reports can be believed then they seemed to have large numbers of applicants so you would think that a club of our size should be able to attract similar if not better number of quality applicants as Hibs. I don't think anyone on here who is critical of CL has all the answers to the current problems nor do they profess to but they can see how poor the performances are and the negative style of play and lack of creativity we have so something is far wrong and it needs sorted soon. Who were the credible applicants for the job last time round? Interested to know. I can only remember two others, Freedman who used us to get the DoF role at Palace and the footballing management virus that is Billy Davies. Any others seriously considered or applied? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 hour ago, JamboAl said: You're not allowed to ask that. They know all the answers except that one. Another Levein apologist. It's not a prerequisite that in order to point out the flaws and mediocrity of Levein's coaching you have to be able to name a successor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 17 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Who were the credible applicants for the job last time round? Interested to know. I can only remember two others, Freedman who used us to get the DoF role at Palace and the footballing management virus that is Billy Davies. Any others seriously considered or applied? Paulo Sergio was apparently unworthy of an interview. Must have been a less attractive candidate than John Daly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Who were the credible applicants for the job last time round? Interested to know. I can only remember two others, Freedman who used us to get the DoF role at Palace and the footballing management virus that is Billy Davies. Any others seriously considered or applied? You are emphasising my point. I said the number of credible applicants were reduced and you have higlighted two so why were the number of applicants so low? Could it be because they did not want to work alongside CL? I don't know if that is the case but it certainly makes you wonder. As I said Hibs seemed to be flooded with applicants for their job but not us, why? Edited March 20, 2019 by wavydavy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inch Hearts Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 26 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: No, the reason I asked is because the poster wants a new management team NOW. Just wondering who he thought we could/should get. In that case sorry for the generalization but surely you get the point? I wold say it would be wrong to fire the HC until the Semi is decided then the final. What message would that give to future applicants if nothing else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inch Hearts Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 26 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Who were the credible applicants for the job last time round? Interested to know. I can only remember two others, Freedman who used us to get the DoF role at Palace and the footballing management virus that is Billy Davies. Any others seriously considered or applied? Freedman never used us to get the Palace gig. Do you think with their millions they would care about paying peanut compo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmaroon Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 16 hours ago, davemclaren said: You’ve lost it Mitch. ? David Icke like!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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