Levein’s time is up...

[The Mercer Takeover]

12 minutes ago, To Be Frank said:

Could he have been sacked? Yes

Should he have been sacked? Maybe

Was he sacked? No

 

Therefore we move on. It’s a new season and the first few games have shown a mix of positives and negatives. Far too early to write off this season as “same again.”

 

We’re trying to play in a more attacking way and this is clear to see with the formations, selections and shots counts. Our finishing and tempo needs to improve though from what people have said and we need that strong replacement for Haring in midfield.

 

I’m still buzzing about the new season, especially with my daughter arriving early and meaning I can now make our first home game 😊👍🏻

 

It doesn't work like that as you well know.

 

The club retained the services on a manager against the will of a huge percentage of our support. Please remember, JKB isn't Tynecastle, where people have made a commitment to attend games and rightly let their feelings known about whet they are being served up.

 

You suggest we should get behind a manager who's team was booed of the pitch team every week for almost half of last season. This was on the back of a shocker of a season the year before. I'm sorry but when is the penny going to drop.

 

Levein has lost the support and no matter what he does now, he simply prolonging the inevitable. The booing has already started again and the clamour to remove this man is now only going to escalate. 

 

Do us all a favour Craig and step down before your stubbornness turns you from a footballing legend into something significantly less flattering. 

 

This is Budge's fault for not being decisive.  

 

 

 

 

[McCrae]

7 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Funny that the "we're still in July" or "it's still pre-season " excuse didn't apply to Cathro when he was removed. The club is being held back by AB's and a section of fans' blind spot with Levein. The inability to separate CL the player and CL the manager , is damaging. It's clear from the garbage he spouts in the press and the performances over the last 2 seasons,  that, as a manager, the guy is a dud.

 

Give it a break. Very different circumstances with Cathro and you know it.

 

I am concerned about our performances at this stage and want to see an improvement. It’s too early to start shouting for anyone to be sacked.

[Nookie Bear]

3 hours ago, Bring Back Paulo Sergio said:

Neilson won most of the points. Cartho would have got us relegated.

 

Cathro was horrendous and i would have Levein over him every day of the week.

 

Perhaps there is residual anger against Levein that he a) appointed the fool when proper due diligence would have revealed his lack of man-management skills and b) for not dealing with the situation earlier, especially letting it linger over a summer?

[sadj]

9 hours ago, Inch Hearts said:

 

Drop mic.  Absolutely nailed it. 👍

Inch showing your age its “mic drop” ffs 😎😏

[Alex Kintner]

15 minutes ago, The Mercer Takeover said:

 

It doesn't work like that as you well know.

 

The club retained the services on a manager against the will of a huge percentage of our support. Please remember, JKB isn't Tynecastle, where people have made a commitment to attend games and rightly let their feelings known about whet they are being served up.

 

You suggest we should get behind a manager who's team was booed of the pitch team every week for almost half of last season. This was on the back of a shocker of a season the year before. I'm sorry but when is the penny going to drop.

 

Levein has lost the support and no matter what he does now, he simply prolonging the inevitable. The booing has already started again and the clamour to remove this man is now only going to escalate. 

 

Do us all a favour Craig and step down before your stubbornness turns you from a footballing legend into something significantly less flattering. 

 

This is Budge's fault for not being decisive.  

 

 

 

 

 

No worries. I’ll go along in a couple of weeks and get behind the team and the manager. You can sit there and boo. 🙄

 

Levein is under pressure but has in no way lost the support. Plenty of us who believe he can turn it around. 👍🏻

[Alex Kintner]

3 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

Cathro was horrendous and i would have Levein over him every day of the week.

 

Perhaps there is residual anger against Levein that he a) appointed the fool when proper due diligence would have revealed his lack of man-management skills and b) for not dealing with the situation earlier, especially letting it linger over a summer?

 

I think you’re spot on nookie, definitely some residual anger there. It was a gamble and he would have been a genius had it came off so quite rightly has to take the flack for it turning out to be a disaster.

[Bring Back Paulo Sergio]

9 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

Cathro was horrendous and i would have Levein over him every day of the week.

 

Perhaps there is residual anger against Levein that he a) appointed the fool when proper due diligence would have revealed his lack of man-management skills and b) for not dealing with the situation earlier, especially letting it linger over a summer?

Right on both counts for me. It was criminal how he was allowed to carry on, Should have been escorted out by security as soon as the season ended. 

[cheetah]

Levein appointed Cathro,  Budge sacked him.

Levein appointed Levein, Budge do your stuff soon please.

[TheOak88]

3 hours ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said:

Did cathro beat celtic 4 nil? Get to a semi final or final ?

No. But if the bar we are using to assess Levein as a Manager is “is he better than Cathro?” Then people are asking the wrong questions. 

[Haringshairband]

2 hours ago, Olly Lee's left boot said:

 

 

Anything good is an anomaly or expected. 

Anything bad, CL's fault, get him to ****. 

 

Examples 

 

Celtic 4-0

Cup final--shite teams we beat, expected. 

Clean sheet record - typical Levein, never scored enough. 

Knocking hibs out the cup and ending the erveun- expected 

Livi 5-0, typical, get him sacked. 

Poor form after injuries-get him sacked, ignoring our results pre injuries. 

 

No wonder why folk think the anti Levein stuff is personal, anything good is brushed off, anything bad- all his fault, get him to ****. 

 

 

Add that it was CL who appointed Cathro to that list.

[Prof]

Had CL got the team playing better than last season - no?

Will CL get sacked soon- No

Will CL get to end of season if no improvement??

[sadj]

10 minutes ago, Haringshairband said:

Add that it was CL who appointed Cathro to that list.

See what people do that pisses me off is they don’t look at how we played preinjuries which was we took the game to the opponent our possession levels and results were both good. Still maybe wasnt the prettiest. Likewise they don’t look at how losing players the mentality then reverted from playing our game and ignoring opponents and winning to then trying to negate the other teams then pick up points. If we go back to playing our game we will do fine if we lose players or confidence and Levein goes back to negating teams threats first then we won’t. Not rocket science. 

 

Question is does he feel he needs to do that due to lack of depth , lack of confidence in players , lack of confidence in the coaching staff or just because he can’t get players to perform to that level without catalysts like Naismith and Haring

[NB GIN]

I feel optimistic surely we will be better with walker and Naismith in the team 

personally  still think we need a Bruno Aguilar player in the middle and a goal scorer 

If he strengthens this I think we will do well but we definitely need something in the middle of the park and not a defensive type a decent footballer that can control games 

[Armageddon]

30 shots v Stenhousemuir and folk are blaming "LIVEEN"  I'm sure he stand 5 days a weeks giving it "Ok, so **** those 30 shots wide please"

 

Give it rest, if you hate him so much then don't come back, I think there's just some angry clowns out there who love to be angry at anything and it saves them beating their family.

[Bazzas right boot]

2 minutes ago, Armageddon said:

30 shots v Stenhousemuir and folk are blaming "LIVEEN"  I'm sure he stand 5 days a weeks giving it "Ok, so **** those 30 shots wide please"

 

Give it rest, if you hate him so much then don't come back, I think there's just some angry clowns out there who love to be angry at anything and it saves them beating their family.

 

 

[Bazzas right boot]

26 minutes ago, Haringshairband said:

Add that it was CL who appointed Cathro to that list.

 

 

He also appointed Robbie. 

Thanks for further proving my point. 

👍

[Haringshairband]

5 minutes ago, sadj said:

Question is does he feel he needs to do that due to lack of depth , lack of confidence in players , lack of confidence in the coaching staff or just because he can’t get players to perform to that level without catalysts like Naismith and Haring

I agree the injuries were unprecedented and that the first 11 games of the season were good but i think the above should be CL's responsibility to resolve. He appointed the coaching staff and recruited the players. He had a clean slate to hire and fire in roles throughout the back room staff so he should have confidence in his appointments.

[Haringshairband]

1 minute ago, Olly Lee's left boot said:

 

 

He also appointed Robbie. 

Thanks for further proving my point. 

👍

Robbie did well in the Championship however the style of football changed and we started to worry more about what our opponents were doing and not about how to attack and break teams down.

[sadj]

2 minutes ago, Haringshairband said:

I agree the injuries were unprecedented and that the first 11 games of the season were good but i think the above should be CL's responsibility to resolve. He appointed the coaching staff and recruited the players. He had a clean slate to hire and fire in roles throughout the back room staff so he should have confidence in his appointments.

Not arguing l’m simply saying that is something people miss. Its always boo hiss Lhevein ooooot. What i said is a question that actually needs an answer as if it is lack of confidence in players or coaching staff then that is on him. If its because the players aren’t good enough thats on him for the scouts. We are still just getting back on our feet with scouting networks but it should be better than that. If its cause Naismith and Haring are the key to the team then fair enough , we need more depth and balance to ensure that doesn’t derail us.

 

his signings this summer I think have been a step up in quality and that bodes well. We do still need to move the ball quicker but our squad is easily up there in the top5 (abdn hibs and us are much n such for players) 

[sadj]

4 minutes ago, Haringshairband said:

Robbie did well in the Championship however the style of football changed and we started to worry more about what our opponents were doing and not about how to attack and break teams down.

Made a point yesterday about Mulraney who has really moved forward in his career since joining. We need others to move forward aswell and show more consistency and the 7/10 Berras and Smiths etc can play their way and let these match winning types do their thing - Clare , Mulraney , Naismith , Washington , Uche , Walker all have potential to do (albeit differently and to varying levels) 

[Haringshairband]

1 minute ago, sadj said:

Made a point yesterday about Mulraney who has really moved forward in his career since joining. We need others to move forward aswell and show more consistency and the 7/10 Berras and Smiths etc can play their way and let these match winning types do their thing - Clare , Mulraney , Naismith , Washington , Uche , Walker all have potential to do (albeit differently and to varying levels) 

I agree there are positives to take from the squad. I'll wait until Christmas to make my mind up but I'm doubtful things will change under Levein (however I obviously hope they do)

[sadj]

Double Post - Mods please delete

Edited July 26, 2019 by sadj

[siegementality]

13 minutes ago, Olly Lee's left boot said:

 

 

He also appointed Robbie. 

Thanks for further proving my point. 

👍

You once told me that you had lots of time to post (literally hundreds of posts a day!) as you spent a lot of time on the train for work. You must be a Train Driver!!!

 

Incidentally, given the volume of your posts - and the fact that you are all over every thread defending Levein - is there any criticism that you would lay at his door?

 

[Haringshairband]

8 minutes ago, siegementality said:

You once told me that you had lots of time to post (literally hundreds of posts a day!) as you spent a lot of time on the train for work. You must be a Train Driver!!!

 

Incidentally, given the volume of your posts - and the fact that you are all over every thread defending Levein - is there any criticism that you would lay at his door?

 

He complains about other threads descending into Levein oot threads and advises there is a dedicated thread for those of us that are not entirely happy, then proceeds to spend more time in the Levein oot thread than anyone else. Bizarre behaviour.

Edited July 26, 2019 by Haringshairband

[Armageddon]

30 minutes ago, Haringshairband said:

Robbie did well in the Championship however the style of football changed and we started to worry more about what our opponents were doing and not about how to attack and break teams down.

 

We were second in the league!

[siegementality]

4 minutes ago, Armageddon said:

 

We were second in the league!

We were top of the league last year. That didn’t stop us descending into negative football resulting in a horrific run of performances and results. 

[Jenks]

I'd love to see who others would replace Levein with? Somebody that would come to Hearts.....??

[Armageddon]

1 minute ago, siegementality said:

We were top of the league last year. That didn’t stop us descending into negative football resulting in a horrific run of performances and results. 

 

I'm replying to a comment on Robbie.

 

We were top of the league but had that momentum ripped from us - Leveins fault of course.

[Alex Kintner]

3 minutes ago, Jenks said:

I'd love to see who others would replace Levein with? Somebody that would come to Hearts.....??

 

It’s a moot point to be honest. If Levein was to walk away tomorrow there would be a long list of applicants, some of which would be of a very good standard.

[siegementality]

3 minutes ago, Armageddon said:

 

I'm replying to a comment on Robbie.

 

We were top of the league but had that momentum ripped from us - Leveins fault of course.

Momentum ripped from us? Through injury to Naismith?

[Armageddon]

2 minutes ago, siegementality said:

Momentum ripped from us? Through injury to Naismith?

 

Uche, Haring, Souttar, Berra ... forgot about those others aye?

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

3 minutes ago, Armageddon said:

 

Uche, Haring, Souttar, Berra ... forgot about those others aye?

 

There’s losing momentum and then there’s hitting a brick wall.

[siegementality]

1 minute ago, Armageddon said:

 

Uche, Haring, Souttar, Berra ... forgot about those others aye?

Every team had injuries.

 

An over reliance on one player in particular and an overall poor playing squad was the main factor. That and a manager who is negative to begin with.

[Armageddon]

1 minute ago, siegementality said:

Every team had injuries.

 

An over reliance on one player in particular and an overall poor playing squad was the main factor. That and a manager who is negative to begin with.

 

There's no way we, or any team outside of Septic and SevCo, could have those standard of players waiting in the wings.

 

I guess you watch too much Sky Sports football.

[Bazzas right boot]

32 minutes ago, siegementality said:

You once told me that you had lots of time to post (literally hundreds of posts a day!) as you spent a lot of time on the train for work. You must be a Train Driver!!!

 

Incidentally, given the volume of your posts - and the fact that you are all over every thread defending Levein - is there any criticism that you would lay at his door?

 

 

 

Ofc. 

 

Too relient on Naismith last season. 

No plan B when Plan A was failing or due to several injuries could not be implemented. 

Needs to make more progress this season. 

 

As Frank says. 

 

Could he have been sacked-yes 

Should he have been sacked-maybe

Is he sacked-no

 

With that on mind, we go again and if we get through the lc group stage he shouldn't be sacked either, so this thread being bumped is just embarrassing. 

 

Just because I don't want the manager sacked every game doesn't mean I don't think the guy doesn't have flaws or makes mistakes. 

 

[1874Gorgie1874]

Do some people actually still think levein is the right man for the job? 

[siegementality]

1 minute ago, Olly Lee's left boot said:

 

 

Ofc. 

 

Too relient on Naismith last season. 

No plan B when Plan A was failing or due to several injuries could not be implemented. 

Needs to make more progress this season. 

 

As Frank says. 

 

Could he have been sacked-yes 

Should he have been sacked-maybe

Is he sacked-no

 

With that on mind, we go again and if we get through the lc group stage he shouldn't be sacked either, so this thread being bumped is just embarrassing. 

 

Just because I don't want the manager sacked every game doesn't mean I don't think the guy doesn't have flaws or makes mistakes. 

 

That’s a very generous amount of criticism for a manager whose run of results is every bit as bad as Cathro’s who you slaughtered.

 

Have you considered the following in addition:

 

Poor squad depth? He’s had enough transfer windows to sort it and is still scrambling about looking for midfielders (mainly as he couldn’t take the hint that Djoum wasn’t going to re-sign).

 

Negative playing style? The club was supposed to adopt a style of play that would be replicated from youth system to first team. Granted no-one told us that style would be crap.

 

Negative tactics? Setting out, from the offset, to contain teams. Allowing them to dictate play and tempo of game. How many times has Levein done that, particularly in Glasgow, and how successful has it been

 

Failure to learn? See above.

 

Levein - as manager of Hearts - is our Achilles heel. He’s had two seasons to sort out what some believed to be the Cathro mess. I personally can’t see much difference fro Hearts under Cathro, and Hearts under Levein. Results and performances, in the main, bear that out.

 

Lastly, you could partially solve the bumping problem. Stop posting on it! You - individually - must have more posts on this thread than anyone else. You obviously don’t do irony!!

 

 

[Haringshairband]

7 minutes ago, siegementality said:

That’s a very generous amount of criticism for a manager whose run of results is every bit as bad as Cathro’s who you slaughtered.

 

Have you considered the following in addition:

 

Poor squad depth? He’s had enough transfer windows to sort it and is still scrambling about looking for midfielders (mainly as he couldn’t take the hint that Djoum wasn’t going to re-sign).

 

Negative playing style? The club was supposed to adopt a style of play that would be replicated from youth system to first team. Granted no-one told us that style would be crap.

 

Negative tactics? Setting out, from the offset, to contain teams. Allowing them to dictate play and tempo of game. How many times has Levein done that, particularly in Glasgow, and how successful has it been

 

Failure to learn? See above.

 

Levein - as manager of Hearts - is our Achilles heel. He’s had two seasons to sort out what some believed to be the Cathro mess. I personally can’t see much difference fro Hearts under Cathro, and Hearts under Levein. Results and performances, in the main, bear that out.

 

Lastly, you could partially solve the bumping problem. Stop posting on it! You - individually - must have more posts on this thread than anyone else. You obviously don’t do irony!!

 

 

[siegementality]

21 minutes ago, Armageddon said:

 

There's no way we, or any team outside of Septic and SevCo, could have those standard of players waiting in the wings.

 

I guess you watch too much Sky Sports football.

I didn’t say we needed the same standard, but we did need a standard, a standard better than those we had.

 

The irony is, even Levein now recognises that. He’s moved  Vanecek and Edwards on, by all accounts is looking to move Lee on. Strangely enough all three players were signed by him last season, all three not deemed good enough, by him now!

 

The good thing is Levein has now stated he is “going to take my time to find the right one”. Maybe if he took his time to find the right ones our squad would be better.  Maybe Levein needs to watch more Sky Sports football!

[OmiyaHearts]

30 minutes ago, 1874Gorgie1874 said:

Do some people actually still think levein is the right man for the job? 

I don't think anyone does but I can still understand people willing to give him the start of this season.

 

The problem we have is if the first ten games are unsatisfactory and we're under-performing, it wont matter, as Budge won't sack him. He's here for the season, no matter how bad we end up.

[sadj]

32 minutes ago, siegementality said:

Every team had injuries. - not to our extent entire spine was gone , unfortunately that affects everyone

 

An over reliance on one player in particular - Rangers relied on Morelos , Kent and Tavernier butttt when Morelos was out they were awful until just before the split. Shinnie missing for Aberdeen they fell apart. Its common now unfortunately that a team will depend on one or two key players we can’t pay enough to have 11 matchwinners. - agree we should of done better though - covered that elsewhere

 

 overall poor playing squad - considering the rebuild we had to mix quality and quantity and gamble , 50% hit rate is common in football for transfers. This season we have Halkett , Washington , Walker and Naismith that should be 💯 

 

 

That and a manager who is negative to begin with. He isn’t though , he is direct but looks to score goals when he lets his team play and forget negating the other. Its when we have an issue and negating a team first is applied that we have issues. His win percentage is still higher than a lot of Hearts managers surprisingly. He has to put aside any concern over another team and trust the players to do a job.

 

Also bin Fox and Daly...#notgoodenough

[sadj]

1 minute ago, OmiyaHearts said:

I don't think anyone does but I can still understand people willing to give him the start of this season.

 

The problem we have is if the first ten games are unsatisfactory and we're under-performing, it wont matter, as Budge won't sack him. He's here for the season, no matter how bad we end up.

I think there has to be a point at which a change is made and a contingency for it even if its a McCann is coming in to relieve Craig’s workload etc etc. AB is not silly

[Henroddy]

5 hours ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

How long is the 4-0 going to be used to justify Leveins position? 

 

A complete anomaly. A fantastic day, but an anomaly. 

exactly. we won 4-0. Great. But if memory serves (im sure some will correct me) they gave us some terrible pumpings afterwards (4-5-6)

[Bazzas right boot]

53 minutes ago, siegementality said:

That’s a very generous amount of criticism for a manager whose run of results is every bit as bad as Cathro’s who you slaughtered.

 

Have you considered the following in addition:

 

Poor squad depth? He’s had enough transfer windows to sort it and is still scrambling about looking for midfielders (mainly as he couldn’t take the hint that Djoum wasn’t going to re-sign).

 

Negative playing style? The club was supposed to adopt a style of play that would be replicated from youth system to first team. Granted no-one told us that style would be crap.

 

Negative tactics? Setting out, from the offset, to contain teams. Allowing them to dictate play and tempo of game. How many times has Levein done that, particularly in Glasgow, and how successful has it been

 

Failure to learn? See above.

 

Levein - as manager of Hearts - is our Achilles heel. He’s had two seasons to sort out what some believed to be the Cathro mess. I personally can’t see much difference fro Hearts under Cathro, and Hearts under Levein. Results and performances, in the main, bear that out.

 

Lastly, you could partially solve the bumping problem. Stop posting on it! You - individually - must have more posts on this thread than anyone else. You obviously don’t do irony!!

 

 

 

 

Been here before, so no point. 

 

Also, a "bump" isn't a continuation of a conversation like I am doing now. 

"Bumping" a thread is bringing one back to the forefront after it had dropped down the order and was, in a way dormant, for kickback that is going a couple of pages back. I have never done that to this thread so the irony is not lost on anyone. 

👍

 

Although, I think I will avoid this thread as this is the type of conversation it comes down to. 

[martoon]

2 minutes ago, Olly Lee's left boot said:

 

 

Been here before, so no point. 

 

Also, a "bump" isn't a continuation of a conversation like I am doing now. 

"Bumping" a thread is bringing one back to the forefront after it had dropped down the order and was, in a way dormant, for kickback that is going a couple of pages back. I have never done that to this thread so the irony is not lost on anyone. 

👍

 

Although, I think I will avoid this thread as this is the type of conversation it comes down to. 

 

I'm not going to post on this thread again or any other about CL. No point. We're going around in circles when backing the club/team is the only logical thing to do. I've been doing that anyway as far as home games are concerned. 

 

I dragged myself back into it yesterday after saying the above a few weeks back, but won't again. 

[Bazzas right boot]

2 minutes ago, martoon said:

 

I'm not going to post on this thread again or any other about CL. No point. We're going around in circles when backing the club/team is the only logical thing to do. I've been doing that anyway as far as home games are concerned. 

 

I dragged myself back into it yesterday after saying the above a few weeks back, but won't again. 

 

👍

The good thing about the Internet is you can ignore it. 

 

This thread is an abomination. 

 

Hopefully the anti CL rhetoric can stick to this one place tho. 

[siegementality]

11 minutes ago, Olly Lee's left boot said:

 

 

Been here before, so no point. 

 

Also, a "bump" isn't a continuation of a conversation like I am doing now. 

"Bumping" a thread is bringing one back to the forefront after it had dropped down the order and was, in a way dormant, for kickback that is going a couple of pages back. I have never done that to this thread so the irony is not lost on anyone. 

👍

 

Although, I think I will avoid this thread as this is the type of conversation it comes down to. 

No point! Yes you are correct there is no point in attempting to debate with you. 

 

Also, why do you think a thread drops down the order? Because no-one posts on it. Should a subject just be forgotten about completely when that happens? When someone wants to comment or question anything about the manager should they just start another thread? So you can, and you regularly do, moan that there is already a thread about the subject. You continually posting keeps it to the forefront. The irony is that you really do t see the irony in that.

 

As far as you not posting on this thread goes, maybe that’s a good thing, for those who think there is a point in still debating whether Levein still should be Manager.

 

You maybe need to change you username to the train driver. You seem to spend all your life on them if the amount of times you post on here is anything to go by 😂😂😂

 

Choo, choo!!! 🚂

[Inch Hearts]

3 hours ago, sadj said:

Inch showing your age its “mic drop” ffs 😎😏

 

 

[Enzo Chiefo]

7 hours ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said:

Did cathro beat celtic 4 nil? Get to a semi final or final ?

Cathro only got 7 months, Levein has had 2 full seasons and, even , including his previous spell, has failed to beat Rangers at Tynie. 

[sadj]

8 hours ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said:

Did cathro beat celtic 4 nil? Get to a semi final or final ?

No but Cathro beat Rangers 4-1 in an unconvincing performance but it was indicative of from a year before Robbie left to now. Its all well and good saying beat Celtic 4-0 but that was a football oddity , bizarrely the game at Celtic park in November and cup semi the week before aside played Celtic 4times w1 (1-0) l3 (all 2-1 and one with 10men for most of the game) Drives me nuts we can compete with them like that yet capitulate versus Rangers and lack intensity v everyone else except Hibs and Aberdeen.

 

Its that intensity , tempo and desire that needs sorted and we could go places. 

 

38 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Cathro only got 7 months, Levein has had 2 full seasons and, even , including his previous spell, has failed to beat Rangers at Tynie. 

 

Cathro was a very different person to Levein though in stature and personality. The Rangers performances were abysmal. The club is in a steadier place squad wise now also and that has to bode well but as i said above those elements need kicked into the players for every game or it’ll be a limp season.