Glenn Whelan signs one year deal with Hearts (title updated)

[sadj]

4 hours ago, Debut 4 said:

Early thoughts, I’d like to see a trio of Damour, Whelan and Irving. 

 

Irving is a good passer, good awareness and pops the ball off quickly. He’s  shown a good defensive workrate when the ball breaks down for us. 

 

Playing alongside these experienced players may help him with their old heads knowing when to sit in and let him play.  

 

And I wish we’d let combinations play together for a while to see if they can gain understanding and effectiveness. Instead of chopping and changing as we tend to do. 

 

 

 

Agreed

 

Irving played very well against United once he settled looked far more composed than any appearance previous. Made a mistake for the red card but then took one for the team to recover. 

 

I’m sure the guys on here who attend regularly said he had been the stand out for the reserves definitely a player who has potential to step forward and with the likes of Damour and Whelan around him it could be the making of him

Edited August 12, 2019 by sadj

[Unknown user]

7 minutes ago, iainmac said:

 

Can't see that working as it's the same Immigration Rules - unless that's been devolved since I've been sunning myself in Cyprus?

 

The panel that decides is local though, remember the Jason Scotland permit, it was Scottish football figures on the committee that decided. 

[BarneyBattles44]

6 minutes ago, Eddie The Eagle said:

It was a different Japanese kid, who was on loan to Groningen that i was told about 2/3 weeks ago. I  don't know about the one from May I'm afraid Barney.

 

I must have picked it up wrong thanks 

[BackOfTheNet]

10 minutes ago, iainmac said:

 

Can't see that working as it's the same Immigration Rules - unless that's been devolved since I've been sunning myself in Cyprus?

 

Immigration laws and work permits are as you can imagine quite complicated. In short the essence of the decision is “are there others who can do the same job or better who would not require a permit?” As I say, it’s more complicated than that but it’s why there’s a panel who would make the decision based on the ‘job’ the applicant would be taking and the merits of the application. For example the right back Celtic signed didn’t meet the automatic criteria, but it’s well documented that they are in need of a right back so the applicant is more than likely going to have their permit utilised as intended. When we applied for Nombil the panel didn’t see that the permit would be utilised as he would go straight into the youth setup.

 

There’s been high profile denials over the years, most notably Ronaldinho to Arsenal I believe. But it’s all dependant on the applicant and employer. A panel reviewing Meshino’s case would look at the talent but also the fact that the employer would not utilise the permit (play the player) often if at all. However a panel up here may review a player deemed the ‘Japanese Messi’ (which I have my doubts as at 21 he’s not even played for the national side yet) that’s just signed for Man City as someone who would have their permit utilised at Hearts. Think back to David Obua, his permit was given after an appeal and Laszlo giving personal testimony as his ex boss at Uganda. Obua wouldn’t have gotten a permit down south (don’t laugh) as he wouldn’t get a game/utilise his permit.

 

I have no idea if Meshino, Itakura or anyone else is signing, but the permit is certainly possible. I would have my doubts over any panel awarding them however.

[Debut 4]

24 minutes ago, sadj said:

 

Agreed

 

Irving played very well against United once he settled looked far more composed than any appearance previous. Made a mistake for the red card but then took one for the team to recover. 

 

I’m sure the guys on here who attend regularly said he had been the stand out for the reserves definitely a player who has potential to step forward and with the likes of Damour and Whelan around him it could be the making of him

Last paragraph, definitely.

 

I think lads like Irving need to experience different scenarios. It’s the only way they’ll learn. Certainly the ones like him who clearly have a bit quality and something to offer.  He doesn’t look scared to put his foot in either and maybe playing with competitors like Damour and Whelan will encourage that side of the game from him even more?

 

You’ll see these guys beside you sweating blood , you’ll then either want to match them or hide.  It can be a springboard. 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 12, 2019 by Debut 4

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

5 hours ago, Mr Sifter said:

Surely he’s no comin? Feels like an eternity since we first confirmed we were ‘in talks’. Since talks started, we’ve seen the English window shut, days have passed...and then still nowt? Cannie see it happening now like...

I've given up. Eddie The Eagle is still here as well.

[sadj]

Just now, Debut 4 said:

Last paragraph, definitely.

 

I think lads like Irving need to experience different scenarios. It’s the only way they’ll learn. Certainly the ones like him who clearly have a bit quality and something to offer.  He doesn’t look scared to put his foot in either and maybe playing with competitors like Damour and Whelan will encourage that side of the game from him even more?

 

You’ll see these guys beside you sweating blood , you’ll then either want to match them or hide.  It can be a sprongbo

 

 

 

 

 

Spot on imo. 

 

I do think players like Clare are more a luxury although he does work , tackle all the things people claim he doesn’t he’s just not a Whelan , Damour type. Playing in front of a 3 like that he in theory wouldn’t have the same defensive responsibilities (dependent on coaches orders / who the manager is etc) and could thrive in that circumstance.

 

what really pissed me off on Saturday was the team that was out should of had such a solid defensive footing all the forward thinking players could of run riot , whereas they ran about like headless chicken.

[bazman]

1 minute ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

I've given up. Eddie The Eagle is still here as well.

If you read his wife's twitter it seems good to me. They were celebrating him signing a 1 year deal, somebody has said she will enjoy Edinburgh which she liked and she is following Hearts

[iainmac]

12 minutes ago, BackOfTheNet said:

 

Immigration laws and work permits are as you can imagine quite complicated. In short the essence of the decision is “are there others who can do the same job or better who would not require a permit?” As I say, it’s more complicated than that but it’s why there’s a panel who would make the decision based on the ‘job’ the applicant would be taking and the merits of the application. For example the right back Celtic signed didn’t meet the automatic criteria, but it’s well documented that they are in need of a right back so the applicant is more than likely going to have their permit utilised as intended. When we applied for Nombil the panel didn’t see that the permit would be utilised as he would go straight into the youth setup.

 

There’s been high profile denials over the years, most notably Ronaldinho to Arsenal I believe. But it’s all dependant on the applicant and employer. A panel reviewing Meshino’s case would look at the talent but also the fact that the employer would not utilise the permit (play the player) often if at all. However a panel up here may review a player deemed the ‘Japanese Messi’ (which I have my doubts as at 21 he’s not even played for the national side yet) that’s just signed for Man City as someone who would have their permit utilised at Hearts. Think back to David Obua, his permit was given after an appeal and Laszlo giving personal testimony as his ex boss at Uganda. Obua wouldn’t have gotten a permit down south (don’t laugh) as he wouldn’t get a game/utilise his permit.

 

I have no idea if Meshino, Itakura or anyone else is signing, but the permit is certainly possible. I would have my doubts over any panel awarding them however.

 

Thanks for the explanation. 

[Debut 4]

2 minutes ago, sadj said:

 

Spot on imo. 

 

I do think players like Clare are more a luxury although he does work , tackle all the things people claim he doesn’t he’s just not a Whelan , Damour type. Playing in front of a 3 like that he in theory wouldn’t have the same defensive responsibilities (dependent on coaches orders / who the manager is etc) and could thrive in that circumstance.

 

what really pissed me off on Saturday was the team that was out should of had such a solid defensive footing all the forward thinking players could of run riot , whereas they ran about like headless chicken.

Again, spot on. (Plenty back slapping tonight😁)

 

The second half in particular was so erratic. As you say, all over the shop.

 

 

[Byyy The Light]

6 minutes ago, Debut 4 said:

Last paragraph, definitely.

 

I think lads like Irving need to experience different scenarios. It’s the only way they’ll learn. Certainly the ones like him who clearly have a bit quality and something to offer.  He doesn’t look scared to put his foot in either and maybe playing with competitors like Damour and Whelan will encourage that side of the game from him even more?

 

You’ll see these guys beside you sweating blood , you’ll then either want to match them or hide.  It can be a springboard. 

 

 

 

 

 

Definitely. I’ve got highest hopes for Irving out of all the young lads. He’ll be a beast of a boy if he continues physically over the next 18 months.

 

Having Whelan there to talk him through games, encourage him and more importantly have his back would be amazing for his development.  I’m a big believer in partnerships throughout teams. One of the reasons I hate managers who tinker too much. 

[Unknown user]

7 minutes ago, sadj said:

 

Spot on imo. 

 

I do think players like Clare are more a luxury although he does work , tackle all the things people claim he doesn’t he’s just not a Whelan , Damour type. Playing in front of a 3 like that he in theory wouldn’t have the same defensive responsibilities (dependent on coaches orders / who the manager is etc) and could thrive in that circumstance.

 

what really pissed me off on Saturday was the team that was out should of had such a solid defensive footing all the forward thinking players could of run riot , whereas they ran about like headless chicken.

 

I'm not getting involved in the levein chat, simply because as bad as it seems at times I still feel like we're a bawhair away from a major click. 

All the constituent parts are there, that's a pretty good team we've got. In theory.

 

I hope we click soon though, it's getting stressful keeping the faith. 

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

23 minutes ago, bazman said:

If you read his wife's twitter it seems good to me. They were celebrating him signing a 1 year deal, somebody has said she will enjoy Edinburgh which she liked and she is following Hearts

I avoid Twitter like the plague. The Mos Eisley of the internet.

[Mikey1874]

Saying you don't want to sign good players is the same as saying you want Hearts to get beat. 

 

Fair comment to say Levein is the problem but good players win games. And if he can't improve the side with a guy like Whelan then the case against him gets even stronger. 

[afanderson33]

Trained with us today. Looks a goer. 

[WheatfieldWarrior]

1 hour ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

I avoid Twitter like the plague. The Mos Eisley of the internet.

 

Same, though that the best description of it I've seen.

[sadj]

1 hour ago, Smithee said:

 

I'm not getting involved in the levein chat, simply because as bad as it seems at times I still feel like we're a bawhair away from a major click. 

All the constituent parts are there, that's a pretty good team we've got. In theory.

 

I hope we click soon though, it's getting stressful keeping the faith. 

 

Its a very good team we have on paper , although I think we need a commanding solid GK , i think that will help the defence massively (for that read Berra😂). Problem is it needs to click fast. That team has enough about it to wipe the floor with teams and compete with rangers and celtic. Aberdeen took ages to get going last season but McInnes for all the Aberdeen fans detest him and his tactics had enough in the bank (and the new stadium chat) to ride through that. We don’t

 

 

Edited August 12, 2019 by sadj

[Mr Sifter]

Taking inspiration from Barack Columbo, I decided to stalk Mrs Whelans twitter...two tweets caught my eye. The first one, in which she liked a. Reply saying she’ll love Edinburgh (wonder what her initial, now removed tweet, said?) and the second, in which she tells a pal she’s celebrating one more year of football. 

 

So Whelans signed a years deal, and the missus and bairns are comin too. And if Barack is Columbo, then I bagsy Kojak. 

 

 

[Herbert.]

9 hours ago, kimosavi said:

Thats no possible Herb 🤪

 

 

I know I set the bar high but come on, He's been saying the deal has been signed and it will be announced tomorrow for ages. I'm gonna say levein has been sacked and it will be announced tomorrow until he does and I will claim to ITK.

[Colonel Kurtz]

8 hours ago, BackOfTheNet said:

 

Immigration laws and work permits are as you can imagine quite complicated. In short the essence of the decision is “are there others who can do the same job or better who would not require a permit?” As I say, it’s more complicated than that but it’s why there’s a panel who would make the decision based on the ‘job’ the applicant would be taking and the merits of the application. For example the right back Celtic signed didn’t meet the automatic criteria, but it’s well documented that they are in need of a right back so the applicant is more than likely going to have their permit utilised as intended. When we applied for Nombil the panel didn’t see that the permit would be utilised as he would go straight into the youth setup.

 

There’s been high profile denials over the years, most notably Ronaldinho to Arsenal I believe. But it’s all dependant on the applicant and employer. A panel reviewing Meshino’s case would look at the talent but also the fact that the employer would not utilise the permit (play the player) often if at all. However a panel up here may review a player deemed the ‘Japanese Messi’ (which I have my doubts as at 21 he’s not even played for the national side yet) that’s just signed for Man City as someone who would have their permit utilised at Hearts. Think back to David Obua, his permit was given after an appeal and Laszlo giving personal testimony as his ex boss at Uganda. Obua wouldn’t have gotten a permit down south (don’t laugh) as he wouldn’t get a game/utilise his permit.

 

I have no idea if Meshino, Itakura or anyone else is signing, but the permit is certainly possible. I would have my doubts over any panel awarding them however.

Would a points based system with earnings a criteria help our japanese guest and future loanees

[BackOfTheNet]

40 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

Would a points based system with earnings a criteria help our japanese guest and future loanees

 

The earnings criteria would be surpassed within about 3 months for a Man City player, even at youth level. Visas that allow work are awarded due to family reasons (spouse, parent, child etc), medical reasons, asylum or business mainly. Football comes under the business category, although I believe as it’s a specialised profession that the regular visa route doesn’t apply. The points based system (like in Australia) would have zero affect on the decision in my opinion, it would still come down to the panel and whether the ‘applicant’ and ‘employer’ would ‘utilise the permit’ properly.

[rudi must stay]

4 hours ago, Mr Sifter said:

Taking inspiration from Barack Columbo, I decided to stalk Mrs Whelans twitter...two tweets caught my eye. The first one, in which she liked a. Reply saying she’ll love Edinburgh (wonder what her initial, now removed tweet, said?) and the second, in which she tells a pal she’s celebrating one more year of football. 

 

So Whelans signed a years deal, and the missus and bairns are comin too. And if Barack is Columbo, then I bagsy Kojak. 

 

 

 

2 day gap though and we signed Damour.

 

 

 

[Colonel Kurtz]

Any tory implemented system would be down to earnings

[Lovecraft]

9 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

Saying you don't want to sign good players is the same as saying you want Hearts to get beat. 

 

Fair comment to say Levein is the problem but good players win games. And if he can't improve the side with a guy like Whelan then the case against him gets even stronger. 

 This.

 

The excuses for poor football are diminishing.

 

Pitch

New team

Players fitness

Young players

Injuries

Etc....

 

 

[JamboAl]

35 minutes ago, Lovecraft said:

 This.

 

The excuses for poor football are diminishing.

 

Pitch

New team

Players fitness

Young players

Injuries

Etc....

 

 

People still harping on about the manager etc on a Whelan thread.

Give it a rest FFS.

[Mr Elwood P]

5 hours ago, Mr Sifter said:

Taking inspiration from Barack Columbo, I decided to stalk Mrs Whelans twitter...two tweets caught my eye. The first one, in which she liked a. Reply saying she’ll love Edinburgh (wonder what her initial, now removed tweet, said?) and the second, in which she tells a pal she’s celebrating one more year of football. 

 

So Whelans signed a years deal, and the missus and bairns are comin too. And if Barack is Columbo, then I bagsy Kojak. 

 

 

 

Hopefully he’s bringing a few pals with him.

[wheatfield to sheffield]

6 hours ago, Mr Sifter said:

Taking inspiration from Barack Columbo, I decided to stalk Mrs Whelans twitter...two tweets caught my eye. The first one, in which she liked a. Reply saying she’ll love Edinburgh (wonder what her initial, now removed tweet, said?) and the second, in which she tells a pal she’s celebrating one more year of football. 

 

So Whelans signed a years deal, and the missus and bairns are comin too. And if Barack is Columbo, then I bagsy Kojak. 

 

 

 

Are we sure she's "celebrating another year" of employment for her husband or might she have been drinking her favourite drink and celebrating another year because it was her birthday?

 

Could one of the TV super sleuths check this?

[jr ewing]

9 minutes ago, wheatfield to sheffield said:

 

Are we sure she's "celebrating another year" of employment for her husband or might she have been drinking her favourite drink and celebrating another year because it was her birthday?

 

Could one of the TV super sleuths check this?

Birthday? 

[Gav M]

19 minutes ago, wheatfield to sheffield said:

 

Are we sure she's "celebrating another year" of employment for her husband or might she have been drinking her favourite drink and celebrating another year because it was her birthday?

 

Could one of the TV super sleuths check this?

If it was for her birthday I doubt she would have put the football emoji directly on the end of it!

[kimosavi]

5 hours ago, Herbert said:

 

 

I know I set the bar high but come on, He's been saying the deal has been signed and it will be announced tomorrow for ages. I'm gonna say levein has been sacked and it will be announced tomorrow until he does and I will claim to ITK.

Its good entertainment though Herbers 

 

 

[wheatfield to sheffield]

27 minutes ago, Gav M said:

If it was for her birthday I doubt she would have put the football emoji directly on the end of it!

 

Aha! Good point Inspector!

[Jammy T]

3 minutes ago, wheatfield to sheffield said:

 

Aha! Good point Inspector!

 

And it’s in response to a quip about there being no income coming into the house....

Edited August 13, 2019 by Jammy T

[StevenNaismith]

Mrs Whelan is in Edinburgh

[Gav M]

1 minute ago, StevenNaismith said:

Mrs Whelan is in Edinburgh

I hope the bloody rain stays off then 😆

[the general]

14 hours ago, iainmac said:

 

But not to another team in Britain surely? 

 

Did they not do that with Mooy?

[iainmac]

1 hour ago, the general said:

 

Did they not do that with Mooy?

 

Someone has explained how work permit situation works further up the thread mate. 

[PB21]

1 hour ago, StevenNaismith said:

Mrs Whelan is in Edinburgh

Proof or it’s lies 😏😏

[Hackney Hearts]

1 hour ago, StevenNaismith said:

Mrs Whelan is in Edinburgh

 

I'm sure several Mrs Whelans are in Edinburgh.

 

What about Karen Whelan, wife of Glenn Whelan the professional footballer - any sign of her?

[MaskedMarauder]

Whelan’s wife now following Hearts and the Edinburgh evening news on Twitter now. Must be happening folks 👏🏻

[TheBigO]

I think the fact Whelan has trained a couple of times with the squad point to this being a goer.  Also that's a great sign as it means he's getting his fitness and familiarity with his team mates so hopefully can come straight in.

 

That will be:

 

Pereira

Halkett

Washington

Damour

Walker

Whelan

I'll add White and Naismith

 

Also possibly Meshino too.

 

That's a cracking window by anyone's book.  Add that to a few of the kids being closer to ready, the squad looks superb.

[jambogaza]

1 minute ago, TheBigO said:

I think the fact Whelan has trained a couple of times with the squad point to this being a goer.  Also that's a great sign as it means he's getting his fitness and familiarity with his team mates so hopefully can come straight in.

 

That will be:

 

Pereira

Halkett

Washington

Damour

Walker

Whelan

I'll add White and Naismith

 

Also possibly Meshino too.

 

That's a cracking window by anyone's book.  Add that to a few of the kids being closer to ready, the squad looks superb.

 

The squad is full of talent, on paper. There is no way this squad should be falling below 4th place, never mind the bottom 6.

[TheBigO]

1 minute ago, jambogaza said:

 

The squad is full of talent, on paper. There is no way this squad should be falling below 4th place, never mind the bottom 6.

Agreed.  After the Celtic game, we could be bottom, but I think we need to assess maybe 5 games in - so the two games after Celtic are make or break for me and you'd think getting close to there for everyone including the hierarchy.

 

I've still got hope.

[Stuart Lyon]

Still talking - it's a bloody marathon blether this is!

[innerjambo]

15 minutes ago, TheBigO said:

I think the fact Whelan has trained a couple of times with the squad point to this being a goer.  Also that's a great sign as it means he's getting his fitness and familiarity with his team mates so hopefully can come straight in.

 

That will be:

 

Pereira

Halkett

Washington

Damour

Walker

Whelan

I'll add White and Naismith

 

Also possibly Meshino too.

 

That's a cracking window by anyone's book.  Add that to a few of the kids being closer to ready, the squad looks superb.

 

How could any manager possibly fail with all these quality players at his disposal? Surely that would be impossible.....

 

[All roads lead to Gorgie]

4 minutes ago, Stuart Lyon said:

Still talking - it's a bloody marathon blether this is!

Is Theresa May in charge of the talks ☺️

[CJGJ]

Just now, All roads lead to Gorgie said:

Is Theresa May in charge of the talks ☺️

Soon to fail and 'Boris' to come promising millions to spend to keep us all happy  😄

[Gav M]

1 minute ago, All roads lead to Gorgie said:

Is Theresa May in charge of the talks ☺️

Boris Johnson, Whelan still hasn't figured out wtf he's talking about yet never mind managed to get in a reply!

[Tenaciousdandy]

17 minutes ago, TheBigO said:

I think the fact Whelan has trained a couple of times with the squad point to this being a goer.  Also that's a great sign as it means he's getting his fitness and familiarity with his team mates so hopefully can come straight in.

 

That will be:

 

Pereira

Halkett

Washington

Damour

Walker

Whelan

I'll add White and Naismith

 

Also possibly Meshino too.

 

That's a cracking window by anyone's book.  Add that to a few of the kids being closer to ready, the squad looks superb.

It's been a terrific window, i think with the addition of the new keeper on loan and whelan (when he signs) to strengthen the gap between defence and attack we will improve massively

[TheBigO]

1 minute ago, innerjambo said:

 

How could any manager possibly fail with all these quality players at his disposal? Surely that would be impossible.....

 

He may not fail bud.  He may not.  As I've said, let's hold our gnashing until after league game 5.  That's home to Montherwell mid Sept and he'll have had the int break to work with squad.  Excuses run out there I'd suggest.

[Fort Vallance]

24 minutes ago, TheBigO said:

I think the fact Whelan has trained a couple of times with the squad point to this being a goer.  Also that's a great sign as it means he's getting his fitness and familiarity with his team mates so hopefully can come straight in.

 

That will be:

 

Pereira

Halkett

Washington

Damour

Walker

Whelan

I'll add White and Naismith

 

Also possibly Meshino too.

 

That's a cracking window by anyone's book.  Add that to a few of the kids being closer to ready, the squad looks superb.

Have to admit I was a bit disappointed when Levein suggested he would only bring in 3 or possibly 4. I thought we lacked quality in quite a few places so looking more positive now. I expect he'll get pelters for saying one thing and doing another but it's more down to availability.