rudi must stay Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, GorgieFifeLife said: Keena is the most natural finisher at the club wouldn't let him go anywhere. Would move out Wighton and Maclean to make space. Vs Stenny as a sub that was a great chance for Keena, and he did very little. He did nothing v Inverness either I'm not sure about him at all. All very well doing it in the reserves, I wouldn't sell him yet I'm just not sure about him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portable Badger Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Any news on Washington's eye injury ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, GorgieFifeLife said: Keena is the most natural finisher at the club wouldn't let him go anywhere. Would move out Wighton and Maclean to make space. Not seen anything in Keena so far that suggests that. Would love him to prove me wrong however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 29 minutes ago, Jodami said: Quiet in the summer Mothy, they need product to cover. More shit on the net with my eyes blanked out though... Just pissed off that I missed it. ☹️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 15 minutes ago, GorgieFifeLife said: Keena is the most natural finisher at the club wouldn't let him go anywhere. Would move out Wighton and Maclean to make space. Not convinced by Keena yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, rudi must stay said: Vs Stenny as a sub that was a great chance for Keena, and he did very little. He did nothing v Inverness either I'm not sure about him at all. All very well doing it in the reserves, I wouldn't sell him yet I'm just not sure about him Agree 100% Would love to see him bang goals in here but so far in the opportunities he’s had he looks miles away from first team level. Against ICT in the Semis, I don’t think he even managed to get a touch of the ball, he looked miles out of his depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyK82 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, davemclaren said: Not convinced by Keena yet. Hasn’t had enough of a run for any fair opinions to be drawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, Portable Badger said: Any news on Washington's eye injury ? He’s not looking too good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portable Badger Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Just now, To Be Frank said: He’s not looking too good. I know he's a plug ******* but how's the injury ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 25 minutes ago, Portable Badger said: Any news on Washington's eye injury ? Maybes ayes maybes nose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 On 23/07/2019 at 21:58, To Be Frank said: We’ll be playing with two centre midfielders this season. Unfortunately Edwards just isn’t good enough to play in a two at this level. His passing, control and positional awareness are just not up to scratch. Can’t fault his passion, energy and workrate though. Yeah, I can see where you're coming from. I think athletes tend to do well in scotland (typically players with energy and workrate), I think thats a good reason why we should have kept him. I think he offers more urgency than Bozanic and I honestly believe with confidence from the cup final goal he could have really kicked on for us. I think though, yeah can't really argue here. Just disappointing to be left wondering. Hopefully we either got a bit cash, or can put the saved cash (alongside Martin & Djoum) into getting someone that is going to run the show at this level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portable Badger Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: Maybes ayes maybes nose 👏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Cruyff Turn said: If we put Wighton and Keena our on loan, could possibly allow us to bring in another striker, despite what Levein says. Something we should absolutely do. Wighton isn't impressing much despite multiple chances and Keena... everyone seems to have lots of hope for the lad but we need a reaction this season. We can't be languishing midtable for a 3rd season on the bounce. Cummings is the answer. Possibly Lafferty (I liked the look of him partnered with Uche but tbf we all know Lafferty V Celtic is a completely different animal to Lafferty V St Mirren or Motherwell). It smells like Levein is pinning our season on Naismiths fitness again IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfhearts Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Cummins is the answer only Levein and dafties cannot see that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil D. Corners Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Lfhearts said: Cummins is the answer only Levein and dafties cannot see that. Is the question: Name an unhinged striker who has 1 goal in 15 games strike rate in the SPFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Keena needs another season on loan....maybe with ICT....get Robbo to pass on all he knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocobeab Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 I’d suggest any loaning out of Keena is on a short term basis. Fear we are starting to see why Uche ended up here and no one else picked him up down south. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 17 minutes ago, OTT said: Something we should absolutely do. Wighton isn't impressing much despite multiple chances and Keena... everyone seems to have lots of hope for the lad but we need a reaction this season. We can't be languishing midtable for a 3rd season on the bounce. Cummings is the answer. Possibly Lafferty (I liked the look of him partnered with Uche but tbf we all know Lafferty V Celtic is a completely different animal to Lafferty V St Mirren or Motherwell). It smells like Levein is pinning our season on Naismiths fitness again IMO. Agreed. I think Cummings has goals in him and would prove that given a chance at this level. He’s also only 23, there’s certainly room for improvement. He’s absolutely worth a punt. We got Laffertys best season out of him I think. His career was on a downward spiral, he came here playing for a move and managed to get it. He’s 32 now. Only managed 4 goals last season in a free scoring Newco team. His careers on the piss again and the only thing that motivates him is money. Michael O’Neil can’t even best ersed with him anymore. MLS is probably his best bet. Either way, we cannot rely on Naismith. At 33/34, he’s going to have niggles. We know that Walker will too. Uche looks garbage age so far this season. Washington hasn’t scored at club level for a long time and the longer it goes on, more pressure builds on him and the folk who signed him. MacLean is back up. He is taking a gamble if he does not look to bring in another striker now. Could be the difference between 5th and 3rd. 7 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said: I'm not convinced by any of our strikers, Dave. I don't include Naismith in that statement. 100% thus far. 👍🏼 3 minutes ago, DH1986 said: Keena needs another season on loan....maybe with ICT....get Robbo to pass on all he knows. Probably the best idea anyone has had on here in a while and makes perfect sense. No one better to learn from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Louis Valois Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 24 minutes ago, Lfhearts said: Cummins is the answer only Levein and dafties cannot see that. I agree with this. He is exactly the type of player our forward line needs, someone who can score goals. None of our strikers can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said: I'm not convinced by any of our strikers, Dave. I don't include Naismith in that statement. There is not one out and out penalty box striker in our squad at present. Last night really showed up what is a pretty obvious weakness in the makeup of the squad. Now I know are crying out for a couple of central midfield players just now, but I just can’t see a prolific scorer in the strikers we have available at present. Edited July 25, 2019 by Deevers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Can people stop calling Cummings a proven goal scorer, the answer to our problems etc. He would be a proven goal scorer for someone like Dunfermline as that the only league he has proved anything in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jean Louis Valois said: I agree with this. He is exactly the type of player our forward line needs, someone who can score goals. None of our strikers can. Really? None of our strikers? Not even Steven Naismith who has scored 64 goals in this league? How many has Cummings scored at this level again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyhmfc Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Levein will do what Levein wants to do. No point crying about. As I see it, if he choose not to address the obvious weaknesses then he will fall on his own sword and will be out of a job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 31 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said: I'm not convinced by any of our strikers, Dave. I don't include Naismith in that statement. Same. How many would you back to be first scorer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muppetboy Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, daveyhmfc said: Levein will do what Levein wants to do. No point crying about. As I see it, if he choose not to address the obvious weaknesses then he will fall on his own sword and will be out of a job. This definitely. Will probably be sooner rather than later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 45 minutes ago, OTT said: Something we should absolutely do. Wighton isn't impressing much despite multiple chances and Keena... everyone seems to have lots of hope for the lad but we need a reaction this season. We can't be languishing midtable for a 3rd season on the bounce. Cummings is the answer. Possibly Lafferty (I liked the look of him partnered with Uche but tbf we all know Lafferty V Celtic is a completely different animal to Lafferty V St Mirren or Motherwell). It smells like Levein is pinning our season on Naismiths fitness again IMO. It would actually be our FOURTH season on the bounce. Never ending transition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OTT Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, jambopilms said: Can people stop calling Cummings a proven goal scorer, the answer to our problems etc. He would be a proven goal scorer for someone like Dunfermline as that the only league he has proved anything in. I'm genuinely not having a dig here, Can people please become realistic with who we can and can't get. If Cummings was an SPL level goalscorer or succeeded down south he wouldn't be in our bracket. At our level we need to take risks. If a talented laddie has fallen by the wayside then thats our time to shine in the transfer market. I think its a lot like the Tony Watt situation, we did the right thing bringing him in. It was just unfortunate he wasn't a success. I think bringing Cummings in whilst we have Uche, Washington and Mclean is sensible and covers us if he does turn out to be a dud (which I doubt btw). Its risk versus reward, I see a lot of potential upside for very little down side. Worst case we can Sammon him out for a couple of years and let his contract expire. Best case? We could lift a cup. In my eyes its worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambmoz Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 I can understand why we won’t bring Lafferty back as half the ground would end up closed, but surely we should be moving for a penalty box type striker. Cummings or an other🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfhearts Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Skinny least of our concerns, as for Naisy we don't even know how fit he is he cannot carry the team for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Louis Valois Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, andrew said: Really? None of our strikers? Not even Steven Naismith who has scored 64 goals in this league? How many has Cummings scored at this level again? Steven Naismith who was out injured for the majority of last season. He’s our best player, but if we rely on him staying fit for most of our games we are in trouble. Jason’s Cummings has played about half a season at this level so you can’t exactly relate the two. Edited July 25, 2019 by Jean Louis Valois Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radio Ga Ga Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 58 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said: I'm not convinced by any of our strikers, Dave. I don't include Naismith in that statement. Got to agree jonno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radio Ga Ga Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 I know he can’t sign until next week, but is he ready to hit ‘the ground running’ Naismith that is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) Things will be clearer just before or after August 8th EPL and Championship window closes and it does mean players and clubs options will reduce We have already been told Craig has 4 players in mind for the midfield spot and even though you cannot always get your first choice hopefully we will get one of them All sorts of things will be going on just now and fans cannot be told every little detail Of course with the lack of belief in the manager by some the longer it goes on the more annoyed they will become as frustration grows and if you are of that viewpoint it is understandable Re a striker I think we'd need to get one out to get one in IF that is in the managers thoughts Edited July 25, 2019 by CJGJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, CJGJ said: Things will be clearer just before or after August 8th EPL and Championship window closes and it does mean players and clubs options will reduce We have already been told Craig has 4 players in mind for the midfield spot and even though you cannot always get your first choice hopefully we will get one of them All sorts of things will be going on just now and fans cannot be told every little detail Of course with the lack of belief in the manager by some the longer it goes on the more annoyed they will become as frustration grows and if you are of that viewpoint it is understandable CL has said he’d moved on from those 3 or 4 as “he didn’t get the right vibes”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lfhearts said: Cummins is the answer only Levein and dafties cannot see that. Always found the flavour overpowering. Oh, not Cumin. If you mean Cummings, you're wrong. Edited July 25, 2019 by Taffin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimosavi Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 19 hours ago, rudi must stay said: Levein says he's not interested Anyway at 33 I'm not sure He's no interested in James Morrison The singer 🤪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 25 minutes ago, OTT said: I'm genuinely not having a dig here, Can people please become realistic with who we can and can't get. If Cummings was an SPL level goalscorer or succeeded down south he wouldn't be in our bracket. At our level we need to take risks. If a talented laddie has fallen by the wayside then thats our time to shine in the transfer market. I think its a lot like the Tony Watt situation, we did the right thing bringing him in. It was just unfortunate he wasn't a success. I think bringing Cummings in whilst we have Uche, Washington and Mclean is sensible and covers us if he does turn out to be a dud (which I doubt btw). Its risk versus reward, I see a lot of potential upside for very little down side. Worst case we can Sammon him out for a couple of years and let his contract expire. Best case? We could lift a cup. In my eyes its worth it. I dont disagree with you. I was just say folk should state Cummings is the answer to our problems or is guaranteed to score goals as if it is fact, when it's not a fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazman Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 hour ago, davemclaren said: Not convinced by Keena yet. I've seen Keena in the reserves quite a bit and he looks like he has a lot of potential will play more this season but how much of a run remains to be seen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 13 minutes ago, DH1986 said: CL has said he’d moved on from those 3 or 4 as “he didn’t get the right vibes”. No he didn't, he was talking about players during the summer, not the 4 players he is looking at at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimosavi Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Man city representatives were up yesterday i see getting a look around the facilities in the hope we can tap into their youth set up for potential loans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 31 minutes ago, Jean Louis Valois said: Steven Naismith who was out injured for the majority of last season. He’s our best player, but if we rely on him staying fit for most of our games we are in trouble. Jason’s Cummings has played about half a season at this level so you can’t exactly relate the two. An injured Naismith still managed 14 goals last season, Cummings scored one. And he's played a lot more than half a season, 1 goal in 26 games - he's not the answer to our lack of goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salvo69 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Quite a lot of negativity around Uche, he may not be a natural goal scorer but his hold up play is excellent....the problem we have is not having some clinical enough to work off him to score the goals...another point of Uche is that the type of player that comes to teams like Hearts will never be world class unless of course we spend way above our budget which will not happen in the near future....for all it’s worth I thought Washington looked to have a really good football brain but as above we seem to be missing a clinical finisher....something Lafferty was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martoon Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 51 minutes ago, daveyhmfc said: Levein will do what Levein wants to do. No point crying about. As I see it, if he choose not to address the obvious weaknesses then he will fall on his own sword and will be out of a job. True. That's generally what happens at other clubs, davey. Not convinced it applies to Hearts, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Lfhearts said: Cummins is the answer only Levein and dafties cannot see that. And all the other managers not signing Cummings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, jamboinglasgow said: No he didn't, he was talking about players during the summer, not the 4 players he is looking at at the moment. How do you know ? Also..... It is summer where we are 🤨 Edited July 25, 2019 by DH1986 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, martoon said: True. That's generally what happens at other clubs, davey. Not convinced it applies to Hearts, though. I think a lot of people don't get that Levein is doing a bigger job than managing the first team because that's what his boss wants him to do. That's why Budge thinks he's doing a good job in general. And that's why other managers might have been sacked if being judged on league finishes only. You can disagree with it but it's true so howling at the moon about it is a bit pointless, especially as the next guy who takes over at the end of this season (either a be careful what you wish for guy noone here's heard of from the English lower leagues or another foreign guy no-on here's heard of who's been a No. 2 at big teams - according to the folk who want Levein replaced now) will very likely reap the benefits of a team with a solid spine and a bunch of very talented youngsters ready to go. We'll find out soon enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Louis Valois Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, andrew said: An injured Naismith still managed 14 goals last season, Cummings scored one. And he's played a lot more than half a season, 1 goal in 26 games - he's not the answer to our lack of goals. Mostly when he broke through at Hibs when they got relegated, can hardly expect a young player in his first season to be prolific. I’m not disputing Naismith is a top player and will score goals again, but he’s a year older and I doubt he will stay fit all season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Jason '10 goals in 3 seasons' Cummings... Aye prolific... Folk have no grasp on reality on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazman Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Did I miss us getting bought by an Arab billionaire? Otherwise I don't know where people are getting all this money to buy players from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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