Maple Leaf Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Mysterion said: Many Trump supporters are less Trump supporters and just Republicans who are conditioned to just oppose any Democratic candidate. It’s a strange mindset of “anyone but democratic” with an attitude of “Dems never do anything that helps me” Been watching this play out on Facebook with some of the wife’s relatives. The demographic - Uneducated, deeply Christian, All Lives Matter & retired white people. Massive hypocrites. Accurate assessment, imo. No matter what is revealed about Trump, including this latest info on his taxes, all the people you describe will merely say, "OK, not so good, but I ain't voting for that there Biden fella." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 27 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said: It could be the best telly ever. I fully expect Trump to get slaughtered but for balance I'd like him to ask Biden why he likes touching and sniffing little girls. Popcorn time. And open himself up to a counter-question about grabbing pussies; golden showers in Moscow hotel rooms; partying with Jeffrey Epstein and Prince Andrew; paying off porn actresses and more? 2 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said: Accurate assessment, imo. No matter what is revealed about Trump, including this latest info on his taxes, all the people you describe will merely say, "OK, not so good, but I ain't voting for that there Biden fella." The accent had me fooled - I thought I was in the room with a true American But as the news comes out that paints him a worse and worse light, surely there'll be some who say, "hold on a gosh-darned minute! I ain't voting for that there Biden fella but I can't vote for that Trump lump either." and abstain. So a net gain of one to Biden rather than a two-pointer if they were to switch their vote? You've got to hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 8 minutes ago, Barack said: UK has the same problem. It's just Trump is even more polarising than what a combination of Thatcher, Blair, Corbyn & Boris ever were. It's not just that but in the UK, our PM is the leader of a party rather than having the almost infallibility of a president. We can look at others in the team/cabinet and make our choice based on the breadth and depth of the team behind the leader. It's just that the terms "breadth and depth" are more lacking now than they ever were. Admittedly, a Thatcher figure gets as close as we've had to a president but her demise showed that the party system can work when it has to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 6 hours ago, Barack said: Actually, if someone would like to confirm this. If Tax Fraud/Evasion is proven whilst resident of NY State, then you can't be pardoned for State crimes. Only Federal? The President cannot Pardon State prosecuted crimes. I believe I said this before and our resident lawyer confirmed the fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Barack said: Yeah cheers, Bob. Was having one of those mornings earlier. Hope you're doing OK.👍🏻 Thanks, new day new opportunities, use all my training and background to keep going, and I have lots of encouragement right here just like you are doing, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 As President of the USA in 2017, the orange balloon was paid $400,000. That's his annual salary. On that, he paid a miserable $750 in income tax. That's considerably less than one of his waiters at his resort in Mar-a-lago pays in taxes. And the waiter probably makes in the region of a crumby $12 per hour. He's the commander-in-chief of the American military yet, while almost every citizen pays income taxes to support and maintain the military, Trump does not. It's shameful, and every taxpayer in America should be outraged. But those in the cult won't be. However, the picture is becoming clearer. We now know why he refused to divest himself of his businesses when he became president ... he can write off his business losses against his salary. And he has refused to reveal his tax returns because they show that he isn't the successful businessman he has claimed to be. He's a con man and a fraud, something that most posters on this thread have been saying for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Barack said: Actually, if someone would like to confirm this. If Tax Fraud/Evasion is proven whilst resident of NY State, then you can't be pardoned for State crimes. Only Federal? If it's proven he evaded tax liabilities to the State of New York (regardless of his residency—you're always resident of a state or territory while living in the US) that would be a state crime separate from any federal tax evasion he engaged in, meaning it would not be pardonable by a president. Edited September 28, 2020 by Justin Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 23 hours ago, Dawnrazor said: The state of this post not even 24 hours later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 When is the debates. UK Times 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovecraft Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 22 minutes ago, ri Alban said: When is the debates. UK Times 👍 Will be the middle of the night. Probably 7/8 US time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 22 minutes ago, Lovecraft said: Will be the middle of the night. Probably 7/8 US time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 I don't know if I can cope watching the debate or any highlights, it's all going to be very cringey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King prawn Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, kila said: I don't know if I can cope watching the debate or any highlights, it's all going to be very cringey. I’d rather listen to white noise for a whole day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, King prawn said: I’d rather listen to white noise for a whole day. I'm guessing that would be the sound of Trump fans cheering? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 4 hours ago, Maple Leaf said: As President of the USA in 2017, the orange balloon was paid $400,000. That's his annual salary. On that, he paid a miserable $750 in income tax. That's considerably less than one of his waiters at his resort in Mar-a-lago pays in taxes. And the waiter probably makes in the region of a crumby $12 per hour. He's the commander-in-chief of the American military yet, while almost every citizen pays income taxes to support and maintain the military, Trump does not. It's shameful, and every taxpayer in America should be outraged. But those in the cult won't be. However, the picture is becoming clearer. We now know why he refused to divest himself of his businesses when he became president ... he can write off his business losses against his salary. And he has refused to reveal his tax returns because they show that he isn't the successful businessman he has claimed to be. He's a con man and a fraud, something that most posters on this thread have been saying for years. I thought he said he was not going to take any salary from the job. Of course, he lies as naturally as I breathe so that is probably bunkum but there's a small chance that he's not taken the salary and, therefore, isn't taxed on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 37 minutes ago, I P Knightley said: I thought he said he was not going to take any salary from the job. Of course, he lies as naturally as I breathe so that is probably bunkum but there's a small chance that he's not taken the salary and, therefore, isn't taxed on it. You're right, I'm wrong. He donates his salary to various government agencies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 27 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said: You're right, I'm wrong. He donates his salary to various government agencies. Yes and many of the government agencies pay heavy sum for the use of many Trump enterprises Hotels, Resorts, and that money goes to his family business that is run by members of his family. One that I saw on TV is in Turnberry where United States Air Force crews who land at Prestwick use that Trump facility for their stay while at Prestwick. He is possibly honest about not taking directly any renumeration for his services as President woul a salary not open him up to Income Tax Review. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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milky_26 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Maple Leaf said: You're right, I'm wrong. He donates his salary to various government agencies. i bet most goes to the DoD - department of donald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 6 hours ago, Justin Z said: If it's proven he evaded tax liabilities to the State of New York (regardless of his residency—you're always resident of a state or territory while living in the US) that would be a state crime separate from any federal tax evasion he engaged in, meaning it would not be pardonable by a president. How does ‘extradition’ work between states in the US? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 9 hours ago, Tazio said: I fully expect Biden to speak at length on subjects and behave like the lawyer he is. Trump will bluster and throw soundbites and catchphrases out while actually saying nothing of substance. And his supporters will lap it up, hopefully the swing voters will see through it. My understanding is that there are few ‘swing’ voters. I heard Jon Sopel (I think it was him) a couple of weeks ago saying that of all the people he knew / spoke to that had voted for Trump in ‘16 all would vote for him again, what the Democrats need to do is get their vote out. Apparently plenty of Sanders’ supporters didn’t bother to vote for Clinton the last time. Need to put a peg in their nose like the French did when their choice was Chirac or LePen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Good bit of instigative journalism by channel 4. Revealed: Trump campaign strategy to deter millions of Black Americans from voting in 2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 hour ago, davemclaren said: How does ‘extradition’ work between states in the US? I think it is in law that a State advised by another State that they have evidence to prosecute a resident the advised State must take what action is necessary to enable the return of the accused to the alleging State. I am reasonably sure though that there would have to be formal application and evidence of wrong doing before extradition is carried out, but it can be and is done, I suspect US Marshals may at some point of transfer be used to complete. I necessary former President Trump now resident in Florida could be arrested and extradited to New York State to face State charges of Income Tax fraud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Justin Z Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, davemclaren said: How does ‘extradition’ work between states in the US? Bob is right. There's an FBI warrant database which just about every police department has access to, as well. The Constitution calls for someone charged in State X to be extradited to State Y if State X's executive asks State Y for the favour, in Article IV. The "formal application and evidence of wrongdoing" Bob mentioned is covered in obtaining an arrest warrant, and sending over an extradition request. The requirements are detailed in the US Code. Edited September 29, 2020 by Justin Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, Justin Z said: Bob is right. There's an FBI warrant database which just about every police department has access to, as well. The Constitution calls for someone charged in State X to be extradited to State Y if State X's executive asks State Y for the favour, in Article IV. The "formal application and evidence of wrongdoing" Bob mentioned is covered in obtaining an arrest warrant, and sending over an extradition request. The requirements are detailed in the US Code. Do you get the feeling that the IRS and others are waiting for him to be out of office when he can't interfere using the powers of the office to really drop the hammer on him? And I would say he's being his usual idiot self. Implying the IRS are not being professional in their dealings with him. Effectively implying they're lying. That's hardly going to soften their attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 35 minutes ago, JFK-1 said: Do you get the feeling that the IRS and others are waiting for him to be out of office when he can't interfere using the powers of the office to really drop the hammer on him? And I would say he's being his usual idiot self. Implying the IRS are not being professional in their dealings with him. Effectively implying they're lying. That's hardly going to soften their attitude. Probably, tbh. And you're right, he's not doing himself any favours by disparaging the IRS, but it's not like self-awareness has ever been his strong suit. Or any suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Yet another historical (and hysterical) self-own. There's always a tweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 12 hours ago, Maple Leaf said: You're right, I'm wrong. He donates his salary to various government agencies. It's probably divided between Ivanka, Don Jr, Eric and Jared as expenses or consultancy fees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Trump's approval rating one year ago was 42.7% In the past year, 200,000 Americans have died from a virus that he initially downplayed and said would quickly disappear. There have been riots in the streets unlike anything seen in decades. Millions of people have lost their jobs. The stock market has dropped, the economy is in a mess. There have been at least two books that highlight the Trump administration as being a shambles, and Trump himself as being incompetent and unsuitable for the job. He has called the revered American military dead losers and suckers. It has been revealed that he has been paying no taxes and that his claims of being a successful businessman are nothing but smoke and mirrors. America's status around the world has declined significantly, and it's allies have lost confidence in America's ability to lead. America's rivals have become stronger. A very damning performance, right? Wrong!! Trump's approval rating has gone UP in that year, and is now 43.7% There must be something in the water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 41 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said: Trump's approval rating one year ago was 42.7% In the past year, 200,000 Americans have died from a virus that he initially downplayed and said would quickly disappear. There have been riots in the streets unlike anything seen in decades. Millions of people have lost their jobs. The stock market has dropped, the economy is in a mess. There have been at least two books that highlight the Trump administration as being a shambles, and Trump himself as being incompetent and unsuitable for the job. He has called the revered American military dead losers and suckers. It has been revealed that he has been paying no taxes and that his claims of being a successful businessman are nothing but smoke and mirrors. America's status around the world has declined significantly, and it's allies have lost confidence in America's ability to lead. America's rivals have become stronger. A very damning performance, right? Wrong!! Trump's approval rating has gone UP in that year, and is now 43.7% There must be something in the water. Dont forget the three Nobels he's been nominated for. Though it should be added that Biden and Putin have also been nominated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 18 hours ago, JFK-1 said: Do you get the feeling that the IRS and others are waiting for him to be out of office when he can't interfere using the powers of the office to really drop the hammer on him? And I would say he's being his usual idiot self. Implying the IRS are not being professional in their dealings with him. Effectively implying they're lying. That's hardly going to soften their attitude. I've thought about this some more and I'm going to stick my neck out right now and predict that none of Donald Trump or his family will ever be arrested for anything, prosecuted for anything, or spend a day in jail for anything. I'll be gladly proven wrong, but I've realised my hope that this crime family would be done in was conditioned on my old belief that there are actually a significant percentage of people in the Democratic Party (and Republican, for that matter) that care about people, care about doing the right thing, and aren't just completely beholden to the corporate establishment and military industrial complex. And that America is a democracy. Seeing as I no longer believe any of that to be the case, there wasn't any reason left to be so naive about believing there would be consequences for Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 31 minutes ago, Justin Z said: I've thought about this some more and I'm going to stick my neck out right now and predict that none of Donald Trump or his family will ever be arrested for anything, prosecuted for anything, or spend a day in jail for anything. I'll be gladly proven wrong, but I've realised my hope that this crime family would be done in was conditioned on my old belief that there are actually a significant percentage of people in the Democratic Party (and Republican, for that matter) that care about people, care about doing the right thing, and aren't just completely beholden to the corporate establishment and military industrial complex. And that America is a democracy. Seeing as I no longer believe any of that to be the case, there wasn't any reason left to be so naive about believing there would be consequences for Trump. I think the more likely scenario in the shorter term is a blitz when he is out of office on his acolytes, and there must be a few with dark hidden pasts. The hope being that with removal from office so therefore does the power to Pardon, this may be incentive enough for a few rollovers for lighter sentences. Trump will probably never stand Trial because he will not be fit health wise to do so, with excess weight, stress , abandonment by sone close family members he is a walking Cardiac potential, and when some of his sudden rushes to get to hospitals to finish routine medical examinations are revealed as actually potential medical emergencies he will be in a good position to truthfully for a change admit he is unfit to face Trial. Failing all that he could have. return of his critical bone spurs. What is certain he will on leaving the Presidency become an eternal music hall joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Justin Z said: I've thought about this some more and I'm going to stick my neck out right now and predict that none of Donald Trump or his family will ever be arrested for anything, prosecuted for anything, or spend a day in jail for anything. I'll be gladly proven wrong, but I've realised my hope that this crime family would be done in was conditioned on my old belief that there are actually a significant percentage of people in the Democratic Party (and Republican, for that matter) that care about people, care about doing the right thing, and aren't just completely beholden to the corporate establishment and military industrial complex. And that America is a democracy. Seeing as I no longer believe any of that to be the case, there wasn't any reason left to be so naive about believing there would be consequences for Trump. Who knows. But there's obviously been criminal activity. And I think this may be different due to the real and thoroughly deserved pure hate he has garnered for himself. Biden must hate him with a passion and that's not even mentioning Hillary, the IRS, the FBI he has smeared, the CIA he has smeared, the military he has smeared. What's left that matters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionDJambo Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Remember “drain the swamp” and the determination that Dominic Cummings seems to have about clearing out or bypassing senior U.K. civil servants? There comes a time where people in power need the little people. The more enemies you make, the less friends you have when it comes to the crunch. Trump looks to be going to find out sooner than Johnson, that the more people within the system that you demean, the harder they will bite you when you need them to let you blunder on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Rumours flying around that Trump may pull out of this debate at the last minute. That would be a massive minus point in my view and I still think he will turn up. But he has been looking severely downtrodden all day while dodging talking to journalists. Because he knows what they're going to talk about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T.F.Robertson Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 1 minute ago, JFK-1 said: Rumours flying around that Trump may pull out of this debate at the last minute. That would be a massive minus point in my view and I still think he will turn up. But he has been looking severely downtrodden all day while dodging talking to journalists. Because he knows what they're going to talk about. I'd be flabberfounded and dumbgasted. Nae chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 1 minute ago, J.T.F.Robertson said: I'd be flabberfounded and dumbgasted. Me too, and I still think he will be convinced to do it even if he is swithering which I wouldn't entirely disbelieve, It's Trump, he's unstable and anything is possible. Another thread is that the guy who was Trumps campaign manager for two and a half years until July this year was hospitalised threatening suicide the day after the NYT tax story broke. Been suggestions of money laundering through the campaign finances. Again, who knows, it's Trump. Dream scenario. Trump melts down on live TV pullling out his combover as they cart him off to join the campaign manager in the psych ward. Quote Brad Parscale, who managed President Trump’s campaign for nearly 2½ years until he was demoted in July, was hospitalized for his own safety after threatening suicide while holding a handgun during a confrontation with his wife at his Florida home, local police said Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsknowe_jambo Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 7 minutes to go and still not decided if I can bring myself to watch it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T.F.Robertson Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, JFK-1 said: Me too, and I still think he will be convinced to do it even if he is swithering which I wouldn't entirely disbelieve, It's Trump, he's unstable and anything is possible. Another thread is that the guy who was Trumps campaign manager for two and a half years until July this year was hospitalised threatening suicide the day after the NYT tax story broke. Been suggestions of money laundering through the campaign finances. Again, who knows, it's Trump. Dream scenario. Trump melts down on live TV pullling out his combover as they cart him off to join the campaign manager in the psych ward. I'm hoping for a Trump, rambling meltdown but am wary of how Joe is going to respond to him. Let's hope he doesn't come across as an even less desirable option than the current balloon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beni Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, kingsknowe_jambo said: 7 minutes to go and still not decided if I can bring myself to watch it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Here we go.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 1 minute ago, J.T.F.Robertson said: I'm hoping for a Trump, rambling meltdown It's all i'm watching for. I can rarely watch more than a minute or so of Trump before becoming bored stiff. He's so dimwitted and lacking in eloquence I just can't take it. 3 minutes ago, J.T.F.Robertson said: but am wary of how Joe is going to respond to him. Let's hope he doesn't come across as an even less desirable option than the current balloon. Doubtful. He's a lawyer and has done this many times before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 We've come to this moment, and we're looking at these two on our screens. What a farce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Justin Z said: We've come to this moment, and we're looking at these two on our screens. What a farce. Still doing the Republicans' job for them I see, Justin. This is *exactly* the sort of message they will be trying to spread around the left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 So basically what we’re going to get is Trump talking loudly over the top of anything said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, redjambo said: Still doing the Republicans' job for them I see, Justin. This is *exactly* the sort of message they will be trying to spread around the left. ???????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, redjambo said: Still doing the Republicans' job for them I see, Justin. This is *exactly* the sort of message they will be trying to spread around the left. I do remember when Democrats were worried if Sanders got the nomination Trump would label him a socialist. And now he's saying it about a guy who's farther right than Reagan. I'm not doing shit for the Republicans. The Democrats are. And do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 No way I’m going to survive watching this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T.F.Robertson Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 He's already displaying his ignorant, interrupting, no-one is allowed to ever disagree with me, self. Just look at this megalomaniacal clown. Show us what many of us already know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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