i8hibsh Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Just now, XB52 said: Took a wee break from this thread to let posters cool down a bit; came back and seen I8 has now jumped in with his words of wisdom. Time for a longer break while he derails the thread with his ramblings See ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: Rangers do not have exclusive rights to all things British and they do not own the Union Jack. People can like it or not but a large percentage of our fan base are proud brits. If people don't like it then they are not obligated to sing it. No-one is that special to dictate what we sing every game. And I never think of Rangers when I sing it. If someone does than that says more about them than the people singing it. You're at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkwhisky7 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: I assume Budge seen the video for her to impose bans hours after the fact. No she just went on to e-tickets and selected 2 seats and said “ whoever sits there done it!”. Idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Darkwhisky7 said: No she just went on to e-tickets and selected 2 seats and said “ whoever sits there done it!”. Idiot. Would not surprise me tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: I assume Budge seen the video for her to impose bans hours after the fact. Dunno. Maybe she just did it to bam you up and give you something to whine about for a few hours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Just now, Glib and Shameless Crier said: Dunno. Maybe she just did it to bam you up and give you something to whine about for a few hours? This thread is "Hot" right now. We clearly all like a good whine to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
communist Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 11 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: Rangers do not have exclusive rights to all things British and they do not own the Union Jack. People can like it or not but a large percentage of our fan base are proud brits. If people don't like it then they are not obligated to sing it. No-one is that special to dictate what we sing every game. And I never think of Rangers when I sing it. If someone does than that says more about them than the people singing it. I'm curious to know what percentage of our support you perceive to be proud brits to the same extent you are? Genuinely interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Just now, i8hibsh said: This thread is "Hot" right now. We clearly all like a good whine to be fair. Bamming up JKB has been used as an excuse for plenty things previously, so maybe she just fancied getting in on the act? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski Nae Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Bam it up ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 12 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: I assume Budge seen the video for her to impose bans hours after the fact. Perhaps there's a default position of suspending people if they get arrested in the stadium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, communist said: I'm curious to know what percentage of our support you perceive to be proud brits to the same extent you are? Genuinely interested. What is 'my extent'? Singing 1 song that I have sang for 30 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkierobroy Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Even if I was a 'proud Brit' I would hate the word 'Brit'. Horrible abbreviation in itself, but also it rhymes with 'nit' and 'zit' and 'spit' and some other unpleasant things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 11 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: This thread is "Hot" right now. We clearly all like a good whine to be fair. I like gifs tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, communist said: I'm curious to know what percentage of our support you perceive to be proud brits to the same extent you are? Genuinely interested. The only real barometer someone could use is the referendum so at best you could say 55% are proud brits? But then football fans are the more of the demographic of independence supporters, working class males, so it's probably less. I think I8 is classic false consensus bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozi Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 (edited) I have been going to Tynecastle since 1986, admittedly my season ticket days have been over that last 12 years but.... I have absolutely no idea what this "born under a UJ" song is, it's heartening to know that we have so many Jambos born at sea. Otherwise it shows, even more damningly, that they are just ignorant people who don't know the difference between the Union Flag and Union Jack Edited December 9, 2018 by Bozi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Cockade Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: What is 'my extent'? Singing 1 song that I have sang for 30 years? why would anybody go to a Hearts game to sign about their Britishness? do you sing it at work or when you go shopping in Princes Street or when the Queen is on tv on Christmas Day? it's a song sung by toe rags for sectarian reasons and possibly to wind up the majority of Hearts fans Why would Hearts fans do that? it's a f****ng football match not an Orange Parade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uche Gang Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, Bozi said: I have been going to Tynecastle since 1986, admittedly my season ticket days have been over that last 12 years but.... I have absolutely no idea what this "born under a UJ" song is, it's heartening to know that we have so many Jambos born at sea. Otherwise it shows, even more damningly, that they are just ignorant people who don't know the difference between the Union Flag and Union Jack I’ve only really heard it in pubs before games or at Easter Road, I’m only 24 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 9 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said: The only real barometer someone could use is the referendum so at best you could say 55% are proud brits? But then football fans are the more of the demographic of independence supporters, working class males, so it's probably less. I think I8 is classic false consensus bias. Yep. I think many of us can be guilty of assuming our regular group of mates are ‘the norm’, when in fact they often are not. You see it on here quite a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Bozi said: I have been going to Tynecastle since 1986, admittedly my season ticket days have been over that last 12 years but.... I have absolutely no idea what this "born under a UJ" song is, it's heartening to know that we have so many Jambos born at sea. Otherwise it shows, even more damningly, that they are just ignorant people who don't know the difference between the Union Flag and Union Jack I realise you are trying to be smart and a little cute but if you are going to start calling people ignorant I suggest you read up on this. The British flag is commonly accepted as being referenced as the Union Jack. Almost the entire United Kingdom refers to it as such. I am sure we all know the nautical origins but the only time I ever her the flag being referenced as the "Union Flag" is where people are trying to be smart and cute. Literally a minority of people refer to it as anything but the Union Jack. It is a Universal symbol and the most recognised flag on the planet. A flag universally recognised as the "Union Jack". Edited December 9, 2018 by i8hibsh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Marsh Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 10 minutes ago, Bozi said: I have been going to Tynecastle since 1986, admittedly my season ticket days have been over that last 12 years but.... I have absolutely no idea what this "born under a UJ" song is, it's heartening to know that we have so many Jambos born at sea. Otherwise it shows, even more damningly, that they are just ignorant people who don't know the difference between the Union Flag and Union Jack Was sung away Celtic loads in thelate 90's early 00's. Don't go there now so don't know if it still is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, The White Cockade said: why would anybody go to a Hearts game to sign about their Britishness? do you sing it at work or when you go shopping in Princes Street or when the Queen is on tv on Christmas Day? it's a song sung by toe rags for sectarian reasons and possibly to wind up the majority of Hearts fans Why would Hearts fans do that? it's a f****ng football match not an Orange Parade What a ridiculous argument. Of course I don't sing it at work. As I said it is a song that many a Jambo has sung for decades. I do not sing it for political point scoring, I certainly do not go to Tynie to wind up fellow Jambos, I sing it because of nostalgia and being honest I just like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 39 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: I assume Budge seen the video for her to impose bans hours after the fact. You really are a few pennies short sometimes ? how about in light of current curcumstances. Indefinite ban until court proceedings are upheld or dismissed. If dismissed then its up to the club if they are welcomed back or not and if they are upheld they will be banned from all grounds. Or as a club do we just say aye no bother they alleged this about ya but still come into Tynie and possibly do it again meantime. We’ll leave you too it. While we do the the SFA and Police Scotland say aye Hearts aren’t bothered about possibly breaking the law so we’ll hanmer them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 29 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Perhaps there's a default position of suspending people if they get arrested in the stadium? Naaaa don’t be sensible Dave ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkierobroy Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 13 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: . It is a Universal symbol and the most recognised flag on the planet. A flag universally recognised as the "Union Jack". You're starting to sound a wee bit excited now. I'll fetch a bucket of water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 13 minutes ago, Randy Marsh said: Was sung away Celtic loads in thelate 90's early 00's. Don't go there now so don't know if it still is. Kind of reinforces the sung for the wrong reasons argument Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, henry said: If they were singing about kickback then fair enough. The footage should clear them and the club and police are going to look silly. Where I'm seated I don't hear everything being sung/shouted around the ground, so could only really comment on what I was able to hear. That in itself doesn't mean it didn't happen. Maybe I'm reading too much into things but in terms of the information that was put on here (I'm guessing from Twitter) I've read stuff put on here in the past which has successfully given many an opinion of the people posting it. From much of what has been put on previously it is possible to come to the conclusion that if someone had been arrested on Saturday during the game and was then communicating with a friend on Twitter they might be more inclined to respond to a question about being arrested in a manner which could be interpreted as bumming themselves up. The person who responded actually made mention of the Kickback song, whereas I think they might have been happy to say that they were racially abusive to someone if that indeed had been the case. Edited December 9, 2018 by portobellojambo1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 14 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: I do not sing it for political point scoring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 1 minute ago, sadj said: Kind of reinforces the sung for the wrong reasons argument Are there many football songs sang for the 'right reasons'. Most football songs are not exactly about rainbows, unicorns and juniper berries. In a stadium full of Irish flags and anti British sentiment, I see the song as pertinent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Glib and Shameless Crier said: Being British is not being political Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkierobroy Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Just now, i8hibsh said: In a stadium full of Irish flags and anti British sentiment, I see the song as pertinent. 17 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: I do not sing it for political point scoring You see the contradiction, laddie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, kirkierobroy said: You see the contradiction, laddie? No. Tell me, what political view is exclusively represented by the Union Jack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 14 minutes ago, sadj said: You really are a few pennies short sometimes ? how about in light of current curcumstances. Indefinite ban until court proceedings are upheld or dismissed. If dismissed then its up to the club if they are welcomed back or not and if they are upheld they will be banned from all grounds. Or as a club do we just say aye no bother they alleged this about ya but still come into Tynie and possibly do it again meantime. We’ll leave you too it. While we do the the SFA and Police Scotland say aye Hearts aren’t bothered about possibly breaking the law so we’ll hanmer them. Correct, I keep reading that they hav been barred for life but that's not right. It is indefinite as you say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: Being British is not being political I sometimes wonder if your JKB posts are part of a drinking game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Glib and Shameless Crier said: I sometimes wonder if your JKB posts are part of a drinking game? Please argue how someone saying "I am British" is making a political statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 If I take a Saltire would I be being political? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sraman Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Everything's political, from the ground you walk on to the skid marks in your political kecks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 (edited) Flags are not political. Flags represent countries, not political parties or views. Symbolic? yes. Political? No Edited December 9, 2018 by i8hibsh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, Sraman said: Everything's political, from the ground you walk on to the skid marks in your political kecks. A national flag is not political. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Flag debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboGraham Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Yay a flag debate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboGraham Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Just now, graygo said: Flag debate. Your post is better...!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 1 minute ago, graygo said: Flag debate. Yup How does this always happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sraman Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 1 minute ago, i8hibsh said: Flags are not political. Flags represent countries and not political parties or views. Symbolic? yes. Political? No You say countries aren't political yet we have recently been asked, by political parties, to vote on being British or Scottish. I thought that was the most political this country has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 18 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: Being British is not being political What about being Scottish or Irish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sraman said: You say countries aren't political yet we have recently been asked, by political parties, to vote on being British or Scottish. I thought that was the most political this country has been. The flag's pre date the referendum by centuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sraman Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: The flag's pre date the referendum by centuries. What's that got to do with countries not being political? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Sraman said: What's that got to do with countries not being political? All countries have politcs. Flags are often symbolic but not political. For example the Isreali flag symbolises the star of David. If I wave a UJ what political view or party would I be displaying? Political parties have their own symbols, not one owns the national flag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 "Flags are not political" Flags are nothing BUT political. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Just now, Cade said: "Flags are not political" Flags are nothing BUT political. No. People may use it to make a political statement like the SNP and the BNP but the flag itself IS NOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Diez Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 From what I hear, some are going to look a bit silly when the truth outs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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