Bazzas right boot Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) If you're going to **** up, do it now. Imagine this, after say a 5-1 cup final win. We'll get a 3-0 defeat, nobody else will get that against us as we haven't played them. Can't see us getting kicked out, their are predicents in the game being a 3-0 defeat in league and Cup football. Someone needs a kick up the arse and we'll need to rack up the goals v the other teams to finish 1st. Edited July 19, 2018 by WeeChuck'sHeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: Potentially a mistake which coukd costs an absolute minimum of 100k. Sacking in any line of work. There area acceptable and unacceptable incompetence “Could” is just a maybe. No real value in your comment. At this stage no guarantee that we will qualify from group stage. Same as last season. Liverpool sacked Karius yet? Cost them millions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Gambo said: They were thrown out whatever way you look at it. Tell me how giving the opposition a 3-0 victory keeps them in? 2 leg game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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EH11 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said: You mean like building the new stand, laying the new pitch and attracting major sponsorship and benefactors Anything remotely bad news and the same zombies muster for a feed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Gibbster said: Mistakes happen, as demonstrated by the existence of pant wetting posters on this thread. £2k fine and nothing else, anything more would be harsh. Anything else would be harsh, but the rules allow for the beaks to be harsh And remember, the beaks have form of not only applying harsh rules on us, but actually changing the rules to allow them to be harsh on us. We we have no control over that, but we do have control of not fecking up in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrod Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Looking at the statement again and the fact that he was our player and it just wasn't loaded onto the SFA server there is a chance we may just be fined . They could be sympathetic to us and it's a slightly different senario from Albion Rovers . Saying that most probable outcome is a 3-0 loss , def won't be an expulsion for this . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUTOL Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Don't know whether to laugh or be angry!! Laugh, there's enough people being angry already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Just now, SUTOL said: Laugh, there's enough people being angry already. Aye you're right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 11 minutes ago, sidjamesbottle said: you really are a bore It is a simple if to you boring fact that a well run business will understand that people make mistakes and procedures need to be in place to identify and correct in a timely way mistakes that could cause significant damage to the business. I'd quite like Hearts be boringly efficient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Adds pressure to the weekend match. Win or go home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovecraft Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Andy Irving oooooot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 11 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: Your right Gambo.. no one has been thrown out.. they've lost a the which means they go out Both were expelled from the competition (Scottish Cup). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts007 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 No probs we will win rest of games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Act it could be worse! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Makes the other games very important and we need to switch on mentally, will help us get a Seige mentality and make the ICT game a shoot out. Exciting if anything Nothing boring. All a marketing ploy to get Tynecastle up and rocking, shift more tickets and get everyone angry for shitty lc group games. Great plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: “Could” is just a maybe. No real value in your comment. At this stage no guarantee that we will qualify from group stage. Same as last season. Liverpool sacked Karius yet? Cost them millions. Not the same thing at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobar PHM Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hearts007 said: No probs we will win rest of games Looking at the groups as they are just now. 9 points may not be enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Apologies if already covered but haven't the time to read the whole wrist slicing thread. Is their any precedents for this in League Cup Groups. Not interested in SC precedents as obviously KO competition would mean forfeiting the tie which would be elimination. Awarding a 3-0 win to Cove would be unfair on the other teams in the group. Perhaps a better comparison would be what would happen if this had been a league match. Amazing that this can happen when we have so many admin staff at the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sairyinthat Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 17 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said: Silly mistake, embarrassing and no doubt we’ll get emptied. Nope more likely play it again Sam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, Lovecraft said: Andy Irving oooooot! Poor sod. Bet he feels terrible!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: It is a simple if to you boring fact that a well run business will understand that people make mistakes and procedures need to be in place to identify and correct in a timely way mistakes that could cause significant damage to the business. I'd quite like Hearts be boringly efficient. Correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts007 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Just now, Escobar PHM said: Looking at the groups as they are just now. 9 points may not be enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 This is the culprit leaving work earlier this evening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Footballfirst said: Can't blame Scot Gardiner this time. Was he not the guy that should have loaded it onto the system in January? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William H. Bonney Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Embarrassing and hilarious in equal measures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 14 minutes ago, Bring Back Paulo Sergio said: Just to clarify, at no stage have I saud Hearts will be thrown out, or fined, or awarded a defeat. I have said we will have to wait and see. You though seem to know for a fact we won't be expelled/kicked out (you may be right.) Dunfermline and East Stirling both expelled from cup competition for fielding ineligible players. Expelled, no 3-0 victory to opposition. So who knows (apart from you) what the outcome will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviskan Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 I can understand people saying this is laughable, embarrassing, shameful for a club of our size etc...but can’t understanding people shouting for someone to lose their job over it. Everyone on this forum has made a mistake in their workplace...every...single...one of you. Nobody here knows the circumstances with respect to how this happened, indeed I’d be surprised if anyone on here knows the polices and procedures internally within Hearts regarding how administration like this is dealt with...for them to make a judgement regarding someone losing their job over it. I’d be further surprised if an important admin task like this is the sole responsibility of one individual, and that nobody provides a layer of due diligence to ensure work is completed (if that much responsibility is placed on one person, what happens if that one person is on holiday, off work unwell etc?). Unfortunately, we just need to take our medicine on this (whatever it ends up being), take the incoming ridicule from other fans...and move on, whilst trying to pump the rest of the teams and still qualify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, Escobar PHM said: Looking at the groups as they are just now. 9 points may not be enough. It will be if we finish top, beat the other 3, get a better gd and we can be top. Probably need 3 or 4 of ICT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 11 minutes ago, Jambof3tornado said: Adds pressure to the weekend match. Win or go home. A good thing perhaps, makes the games more meaningful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigieboy Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 I blame Scott Gardner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobar PHM Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Deviskan said: I can understand people saying this is laughable, embarrassing, shameful for a club of our size etc...but can’t understanding people shouting for someone to lose their job over it. Everyone on this forum has made a mistake in their workplace...every...single...one of you. Nobody here knows the circumstances with respect to how this happened, indeed I’d be surprised if anyone on here knows the polices and procedures internally within Hearts regarding how administration like this is dealt with...for them to make a judgement regarding someone losing their job over it. I’d be further surprised if an important admin task like this is the sole responsibility of one individual, and that nobody provides a layer of due diligence to ensure work is completed (if that much responsibility is placed on one person, what happens if that one person is on holiday, off work unwell etc?). Unfortunately, we just need to take our medicine on this (whatever it ends up being), take the incoming ridicule from other fans...and move on, whilst trying to pump the rest of the teams and still qualify. Okay hands up anyone who made a mistake that cost their company in excess of £100k as well as made them a public laughing stock and kept their job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Gambo said: Just to clarify, at no stage have I saud Hearts will be thrown out, or fined, or awarded a defeat. I have said we will have to wait and see. You though seem to know for a fact we won't be expelled/kicked out (you may be right.) Dunfermline and East Stirling both expelled from cup competition for fielding ineligible players. Expelled, no 3-0 victory to opposition. So who knows (apart from you) what the outcome will be. 3-0 defeat has been standard across Europe recently, celtic overturning a 1st leg defeat with a 3-0 default win being a high profile one. No one knows, but on past form a 3-0 defeat would be were I place my money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Deviskan said: I can understand people saying this is laughable, embarrassing, shameful for a club of our size etc...but can’t understanding people shouting for someone to lose their job over it. Everyone on this forum has made a mistake in their workplace...every...single...one of you. Nobody here knows the circumstances with respect to how this happened, indeed I’d be surprised if anyone on here knows the polices and procedures internally within Hearts regarding how administration like this is dealt with...for them to make a judgement regarding someone losing their job over it. I’d be further surprised if an important admin task like this is the sole responsibility of one individual, and that nobody provides a layer of due diligence to ensure work is completed (if that much responsibility is placed on one person, what happens if that one person is on holiday, off work unwell etc?). Unfortunately, we just need to take our medicine on this (whatever it ends up being), take the incoming ridicule from other fans...and move on, whilst trying to pump the rest of the teams and still qualify. Anyone who makes a mistake in their job that affects the company's reputation and income can expect to get their jotters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, Jammy T said: Was he not the guy that should have loaded it onto the system in January? Maybe was, but it was certainly not his job in July to make sure the players we planned to use in games this season had all the correct paperwork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMFC THE TEAM FOR ME Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Absolutely embrassing by the club things like this should be nowhere near any SPL full time club. If this results in points deducted and then we potentially end up with another struggle to qualify for the league cup all because of somebody’s incompetence then we really need to review staff behind the scenes far more carefully. Hope this is just a fine and we can move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 23 minutes ago, Gambo said: Thrown out OR opposition awarded a victory? Thrown out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Just now, Escobar PHM said: Okay hands up anyone who made a mistake that cost their company in excess of £100k as well as made them a public laughing stock and kept their job. Boris Johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slashishere Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Like no one here has ever made a mistake at work - shit happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Gambo said: As a side issue and a bug bear of mine. We give team line ups to a League official before the game (referee), he accepts that and game starts. He should have a list from SFA of who is able to play for both teams. Not an excuse in this case as that is not the rules just now. Nah the ref had more important things to worry about before a game than the administrative tasks of running a football club. The responsibility is quite rightly on the clubs imo. 1 hour ago, Back to 2005 said: The buck stops with her I'm afraid. Nonsense. The buck doesn't stop at the very top for something like this. In every business, tasks are delegated down the chain depending on responsibility and skills. Those tasks are the responsibility of the individual given the task, or potentially the person giving it to them if they've left it to someone not equipped. In your world employees everywhere can just do as they please as they'll face no consequences as the buck stops with the CEO. 1 hour ago, Cruyff Turn said: Exactly the same circumstances it seems, an academy player playing for the first team without his contract being updated. Unbelievable mistake for this club to make, shambolic. Different in that it was a knock out tie. I think the key point is whether it's; chucked out and tie recorded as 3 nil or tie awarded as 3 nil (which results in going out in a knockout or a loss in a group stage such as for us). 50 minutes ago, Ali Lawrie said: Yeah Edwards should have come on regardless Doubt it would have mattered as he was still on the bench. 44 minutes ago, Bring Back Paulo Sergio said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviskan Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Just now, frankblack said: Anyone who makes a mistake in their job that affects the company's reputation and income can expect to get their jotters. Again, I’ll point out I’d be amazed if this was the responsibility of ONE person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidjamesbottle Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 21 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: You mean like building the new stand, laying the new pitch and attracting major sponsorship and benefactors spot on mate another fud on the forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VALDOS Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Even at under 10's player registration is taken very seriously, I would fully expect a hefty slap here. As others said, shree nil to cove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUTOL Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, WeeChuck'sHeed said: It will be if we finish top, beat the other 3, get a better gd and we can be top. Probably need 3 or 4 of ICT If only there were some Hearts friendly people at ICT... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Folk defending this as a run of the mill error Errors happen, yes - of course. But this could cost the club tens of thousands of pounds. This is a sackable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviskan Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, frankblack said: Anyone who makes a mistake in their job that affects the company's reputation and income can expect to get their jotters. Like I said in the post you quoted...I’ll be amazed if this is down to one person. You would hope Hearts have a process in place for a procedure of such importance, where due diligence is conducted to ensure compliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Escobar PHM said: Okay hands up anyone who made a mistake that cost their company in excess of £100k as well as made them a public laughing stock and kept their job. “It’s okay boss, we move on...” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) Can't blame the technology. We are checking the, hardware, server and software for faults this very moment. Edited July 19, 2018 by WeeChuck'sHeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviskan Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Just now, Sarah O said: Folk defending this as a run of the mill error Errors happen, yes - of course. But this could cost the club tens of thousands of pounds. This is a sackable. Sack who? You’re assuming this is down to one person Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobar PHM Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, WeeChuck'sHeed said: It will be if we finish top, beat the other 3, get a better gd and we can be top. Probably need 3 or 4 of ICT Correct. Winning the group with 9 points would be qualify us. We'd have to turn round a 6 goal difference, plus whatever ICT take off Raith somewhere along the line though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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