...a bit disco Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Paolo said: Spartans were once kicked out the Scottish Cup, because they simply forgot to sign one part of a lengthy form. Yes, it was a knock out competition, but their punishment was not a 3-0 defeat, it was expulsion. I am not saying this will happen to us, but it shows if the beaks want to dish out a serve punishment, they will. Luckily this is the League Cup, not under SFA rules. A small glimmer of hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irufushi Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 21 minutes ago, Sarah O said: ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, davie1980 said: I've never made a mistake that caused my club to exit a cup at a ridiculously early stage. Is that Ian Cathro I see with his hand in the air??? Right, but you don't work at a football club. FFS. It's all relative, mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 49 minutes ago, Gambo said: Maybe was, but it was certainly not his job in July to make sure the players we planned to use in games this season had all the correct paperwork. Get your point When you make an original mistake it is often more difficult to sift it out, however. So how did we manage to replace one incompetent arse with another? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbee647 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, Escobar PHM said: That might actually get us off the hook and we'll get a bigger fine and a replay. Giving a 3-0 win to Cove isn't fair on the other 3 teams. This could be what saves us... a big fine but the result stays, if we lose or drop points to Raith then it may go down as a 3-0 win to Cove There is one rule for the bigger clubs, fair or not, it’s true and I think we will get off with a fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 I'd like to know why there isn't a hard and fast rule for this occurrence. It looks to me as if the SPFL like to leave a bit of wriggle room for themselves with these matters. Bet your life if it was a small club a decision would be made straight away not waiting until BT say it's OK to take action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobar PHM Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Just now, luckydug said: I'd like to know why there isn't a hard and fast rule for this occurrence. It looks to me as if the SPFL like to leave a bit of wriggle room for themselves with these matters. Bet your life if it was a small club a decision would be made straight away not waiting until BT say it's OK to take action. Have the SPFL, being a relatively new organisation ever actually had to deal with one of these ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperstarSteve Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 17 minutes ago, sidjamesbottle said: Thats spooky mate that is my name No way haha I just went for a random name mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 I think the real losers are those Aberdeen fans who turned out to support Cove in a game that may no longer be valid. Ha! Take that, you sheepy losers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It should have been ten Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, ...a bit disco said: Luckily this is the League Cup, not under SFA rules. A small glimmer of hope. This ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart500 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) In reality because of the group structure of the competition, "making up" a score could not only potentially affect our group but also all the others. The only fair way is to replay the match with Hearts getting a substantial fine. Won't happen though unfortunately. Edited July 19, 2018 by stuart500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, jbee647 said: This could be what saves us... a big fine but the result stays, if we lose or drop points to Raith then it may go down as a 3-0 win to Cove There is one rule for the bigger clubs, fair or not, it’s true and I think we will get off with a fine. The perception of this belief and an appetite to dispel it may be a reason why we get blootered as hard as possible. Big club... soft target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 18 minutes ago, Escobar PHM said: That might actually get us off the hook and we'll get a bigger fine and a replay. Giving a 3-0 win to Cove isn't fair on the other 3 teams. true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
151 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 We have made a fair few of these "mistakes" they keep saying. The numerous delays with the stand, the laying of a new pitch only for it to be horrendous after about 3 matches, all the signings like Oshaniwa, Sammon, Nowak, Martin, Amankwaa. Fielding an ineligible player now. Are we sure that money aside, our club is actually being ran by people who know anything about the sport? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidjamesbottle Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, SuperstarSteve said: No way haha I just went for a random name mate Mysticsuperstarsteve now seems more appropriate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 I'm rarely critical of the club, but this is a shambles. Should never be happening at our level. The place needs a bit of a shake behind the scenes. These errors are starting to creep in....Who heads up the ops side of the business? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Escobar PHM said: Have the SPFL, being a relatively new organisation ever actually had to deal with one of these ? Probably not. Because of the newish format to the LC. This situation has arisen many times in football so when the competition rules were drawn up instances like this should be covered unambiguously no matter the size of club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It should have been ten Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 54 minutes ago, SUTOL said: If only there were some Hearts friendly people at ICT... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 10 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said: and our away win which is likes hens teeth these is null and void!! Also this is Hearts, not well like by most especially across the town you can guarantee we will get booted out. Petrie will see this happens. No doubt E-Mails getting drafted by some bitter hobos as we talk about this, . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobar PHM Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, stuart500 said: In reality because of the group structure of the competition "making up" a score could not only potentially affect our group but also all the others. The only fair way is to replay the match with Hearts getting a substantial fine. Won't happen though unfortunately. Even more so if Cove beat Cowdenbeath on Saturday. However if they lose that takes them out of the equation as far as qualifying is concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 I suggest we demand that the matter is referred to CAS for a decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTweedy Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 22 minutes ago, Cut The Crap said: Was just about to buy my ticket for Tuesday as well... Same here. Think i'll leave it till nearer the time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cut The Crap Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Am I wrong to think that if we win the remaining three games by sufficient margins, we'll win the group anyway. 4-0 against ICT cancels out the suggested 8-goal difference. Handsome wins in the other two games will see us top the group. I'm back on the bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobar PHM Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, luckydug said: Probably not. Because of the newish format to the LC. This situation has arisen many times in football so when the competition rules were drawn up instances like this should be covered unambiguously no matter the size of club. The rule is probably totally unambiguous and we've undoubtedly broken it by our own admission. However there seems to be a vast range of punishments open to them which appears to be at their discretion. Could we send them flowers and chocolates maybe ? Edited July 19, 2018 by Escobar PHM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 45 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said: That was Dave McLaren performing the previous server upgrade.... ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Great start to the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 15 minutes ago, RobNox said: We should claim that he was 'improperly' registered. That seemed to work for Rangers. or register him as "the " Andrew Irving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 hour ago, WeeChuck'sHeed said: 3-0 defeat has been standard across Europe recently, celtic overturning a 1st leg defeat with a 3-0 default win being a high profile one. No one knows, but on past form a 3-0 defeat would be were I place my money. Likewise , I do think it should also come down to why the problem occurred and only Hearts then the SPFL will know at the hearing id guess. Cove themselves got a 2k fine for an ineligble player but they didnt play. Irving came on at 2-0 and tbh we were weaker for it but that won’t be a saving grace. Id therefore expect either a 3-0 and a fine. The sacking the person involved again is dependent on why the situation arose. When we registered the player numbers surely it kicked up then? Also surely we would have admin checking all the players prior to game one of the season to ensure on the SPFL and SFA systems they are registered correctly. I would assume they have a system in place that makes it easy for clubs to do this in the same way the SIA have a register of all licensed stewards and you can just log in and check their registration and current violations/suspensions and when the registration expires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 10 minutes ago, stuart500 said: In reality because of the group structure of the competition, "making up" a score could not only potentially affect our group but also all the others. The only fair way is to replay the match with Hearts getting a substantial fine. Won't happen though unfortunately. Potential for a large fine exists too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal Lecter Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 A professional football club the size of ours should not be making such a stupid embarrassing error as this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, Cut The Crap said: Am I wrong to think that if we win the remaining three games by sufficient margins, we'll win the group anyway. 4-0 against ICT cancels out the suggested 8-goal difference. Handsome wins in the other two games will see us top the group. I'm back on the bus. We could still win the group, could also qualify as one of the best 4 runner up, so all is not lost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) Am I right in saying the mistake was originally by the SFA who didn't register the new contract correctly in January, and that we're at fault for not picking up on it in our checks? EDIT - no. Our mistake, AND we didn't pick up on it Edited July 19, 2018 by Smithee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyJenkins Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, Wham Bam Austin McCann said: We have made a fair few of these "mistakes" they keep saying. The numerous delays with the stand, the laying of a new pitch only for it to be horrendous after about 3 matches, all the signings like Oshaniwa, Sammon, Nowak, Martin, Amankwaa. Fielding an ineligible player now. Are we sure that money aside, our club is actually being ran by people who know anything about the sport? ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blairdin Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 The correct punishment would be for us to be kicked out of the tournament. That's consistent with what has happened to other clubs in the past fielding ineligible players in cup games. It's not even a debate. Heads should roll, this is embarrassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Cockade Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Smithee said: Am I right in saying the mistake was originally by the SFA who didn't register the new contract correctly in January, and that we're at fault for not picking up on it in our checks? No We forgot to register him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry hippo Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Smithee said: Am I right in saying the mistake was originally by the SFA who didn't register the new contract correctly in January, and that we're at fault for not picking up on it in our checks? Ann Budge seemed to accept it was our error in the statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Cut The Crap said: Am I wrong to think that if we win the remaining three games by sufficient margins, we'll win the group anyway. 4-0 against ICT cancels out the suggested 8-goal difference. Handsome wins in the other two games will see us top the group. I'm back on the bus. Even if the result is reversed, or Cove are given the points based on a 3-0 win, for example, we can still top the group. But it would mean winning comfortably against both Raith and ICT, and looking to get a very convincing result against Cowdenbeath at Tynecastle. I'd imagine that it may well be either the game being awarded to Cove or a fine against the club. It is disappointing it has come to this, I don't know why but I can imagine it being something that might be overlooked at a relatively small club but not something I'd expect to be overlooked at HMFC. Not going to get involved in any discussion on whether or not someone should lose their job as a result, I'll leave that to the club to decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobar PHM Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, RobNox said: We could still win the group, could also qualify as one of the best 4 runner up, so all is not lost Either way, we are on a goals chase in the remaining games thats for sure. And no margin for error in terms of dropping points anywhere. Edited July 19, 2018 by Escobar PHM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 No defence for this, I'm afraid Honest mistake or not we need to take our dumps. If that means we are kicked out we need to suck it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Escobar PHM said: Either way, we are on a goals chase in the remaining games thats for sure. Well that might not be a bad thing. It will certainly focus the players and management on what is required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, blairdin said: The correct punishment would be for us to be kicked out of the tournament. That's consistent with what has happened to other clubs in the past fielding ineligible players in cup games. It's not even a debate. Heads should roll, this is embarrassing. That happened in the Scottish Cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlasgoJambo Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Escobar PHM said: Okay hands up anyone who made a mistake that cost their company in excess of £100k as well as made them a public laughing stock and kept their job. Hibs v Hamilton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigieboy Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 hour ago, davemclaren said: You never did like him. ? He wasn’t even at the club then but it’s still his fault. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobar PHM Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, portobellojambo1 said: don't know why but I can imagine it being something that might be overlooked at a relatively small club but not something I'd expect to be overlooked at HMFC. Not going to get involved in any discussion on whether or not someone should lose their job as a result, I'll leave that to the club to decide. I imagine, like any other organisation with a properly structured disciplinary process ( who doesn't have one these days) would have to take into account the previous performance of the individual concerned. However the consequences of this could be substantial and that will be the biggest factor in determining what action to take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, blairdin said: The correct punishment would be for us to be kicked out of the tournament. That's consistent with what has happened to other clubs in the past fielding ineligible players in cup games. It's not even a debate. Heads should roll, this is embarrassing. Knock out tournaments are way different than a league cup group with one game from four played by us. We lose 3-0 and we move on to game 2. Unfortunately the idiots running it will let us play game 2 prior to a decision. Which could screw up the group from there on in. Decision should have been made tomorrow at the latest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
151 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, BobbyJenkins said: ?? Proper funny aint it? We're a top flight club ffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry hippo Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, blairdin said: The correct punishment would be for us to be kicked out of the tournament. That's consistent with what has happened to other clubs in the past fielding ineligible players in cup games. It's not even a debate. Heads should roll, this is embarrassing. There definitely is a debate. As has been stated by several posters a 3-0 defeat and fine has been the standard precedent - as this has been in knock out matches the result has meant elimination. Agree that it it a shocking error and heads are probably already rolling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyJenkins Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Wham Bam Austin McCann said: Proper funny aint it? We're a top flight club ffs. You are yes. Dry your eyes ffs lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunoatemyhamster Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Did we go to them with the info he was ineligable or did they come to us? Anyone know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scnorthedinburgh Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) I think how the other teams in our group react, will lead the spfl. Cove did this previously and only got a fine, hopefully they take that as the precedent. Edited July 19, 2018 by Scnorthedinburgh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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