Gambo Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bring Back Paulo Sergio said: They were there to be read yes but the FA never directly threw them out. It's just a sensationalist headline to draw in readers. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amadjambo Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 If we lose the 3 points and get a 3-0 defeat we’ll have to play our strongest team in remaining games and try and run the score up. Maximum points and a good goal difference might be required to win the group now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corstorphine Jambo Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 I assume team lines would be required for friendlies played and sent to the authorities? As Irving played in these, and clearly wasn’t marked as a trialist, I wonder why this wasn’t picked up sooner? Although I have no actual knowledge of how the process works - is every player on every team line checked by the authorities? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, Hungry hippo said: Lee and Maclean will be extra raging losing their goals. Yeah Goals annulled. Serves Lee right for missing that sitter though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 20 minutes ago, Gambo said: But that is one if the main arguments of having a D.o.F., he can deal with all the admin/contracts/agents etc side of things and let the manager get on with it. A DoF will do the contracts and high level detail of admin but they won't be doing the clerical side. Does a lawyer do the filing and billing or pass that on to a secretary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amadjambo Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, red said: Is what it is! Mistakes happen, we move on! Shite cup anyway One of our two chances to win a trophy every season. Don’t see what’s shite about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Even more worrying is if the lad wasn't registered he was playing in league games from January so would've been playing when not registered in league also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Sooperstar said: It is gross incompetence. Winning football games is the main aim of a football club. You can't do that if you are fielding ineligible players. Work hard in training all week, come up with tactics to get the result, get the result on the day...sorry lads, some buffoon in the back office forgot to do their job so it was all for nothing. Still not gross incompetence, whatever that is. As I said , incompetence yes, oversight yes, straightforward admin error yes. Must not happen again or it will be a firing offence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Silly mistake, embarrassing and no doubt we’ll get emptied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Just now, Corstorphine Jambo said: I assume team lines would be required for friendlies played and sent to the authorities? As Irving played in these, and clearly wasn’t marked as a trialist, I wonder why this wasn’t picked up sooner? Although I have no actual knowledge of how the process works - is every player on every team line checked by the authorities? Just that the team in SFA that checks these things probably works 9-5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fubar_Stef Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Just heard this on the radio. Oh...My...God And we could lose the 3 points over this? Over playing Irvine! I hope to feck they at least replay the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 There is no point arguing about us being thrown out. That won't happen. If you field an ineligible player in a league game then you don't get thrown out of the competition, you likely end up with a 3-0 loss for the game. It is in nobody's interests to have any club thrown out of a competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyJenkins Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 16 minutes ago, Paolo said: No. It is a bad mistake, and an embarrassing one. We do not yet know the punishment, or impact of it. But criticism is due regardless. Some will give it. Some will still refuse to criticise, and even deflect, in the false belief, it makes them less of a fan. Proportionality and perspective are all that’s required here. Digs about smelling of roses etc is unecessary bollocks imo. Some people apply the same degree of outrage to anything that happens with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morph Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Another mistake in a long line of **** ups from this board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sairyinthat Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 32 minutes ago, SUTOL said: List of possible sanctions. J16 Upon determining that a breach of or failure to fulfil the Rules or Regulations has been established, the Board or, as the case may be, a Commission may:- J16.1 give a warning as to future conduct; J16.2 give a reprimand; J16.3 impose a fine; J16.4 annul the result of an Official Match; J16.5 order that an Official Match be replayed; J16.6 impose a deduction of points; J16.7 award an Official Match (with such deemed score as it thinks appropriate) to a Club; J16.8 order the playing of an Official Match or Matches behind closed doors; J16.9 order the closure of all or part of a Stadium for such period and for such purposes as it thinks appropriate; J16.10 order the playing of an Official Match or Matches at such Stadium as it thinks appropriate; Plus others which don't seem applicable. Don't see expulsion of the offending club in those 10 p0ssible sanctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawaii Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 There should be checks on player registrations before the season starts, before the January window opens and after it closes and at the end of the season. Should be a piece of pish to check it online. Amateur hour. Also the football staff should be telling the admin staff the squad before the first game of the season as a safety check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobar PHM Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Just now, Selkirkhmfc1874 said: Even more worrying is if the lad wasn't registered he was playing in league games from January so would've been playing when not registered in league also He was registered properly up to 9th June so we're okay there. However we have also illegally fielded him in friendlies this summer. Dont know if they will take that into account Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Dunfermline and East Stirling have been thrown out for the exact same circumstances in the past amateurish embarrassing and unacceptable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyJenkins Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, soonbe110 said: Still not gross incompetence, whatever that is. As I said , incompetence yes, oversight yes, straightforward admin error yes. Must not happen again or it will be a firing offence. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Just now, Selkirkhmfc1874 said: Even more worrying is if the lad wasn't registered he was playing in league games from January so would've been playing when not registered in league also No He was registered till 9 June 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperstarSteve Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Last season Kilmarnock finished 2nd in group on 9 points and qualified. Beating Peterhead on goal difference. But more likely need to win group. 5-0 v Raith and 8-0 v Cowdenbeath should set us up for Inverness game. Weve put 10 by Cowdenbeath before so I’m thinking 8 shouldn’t be a problem ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, soonbe110 said: Still not gross incompetence, whatever that is. As I said , incompetence yes, oversight yes, straightforward admin error yes. Must not happen again or it will be a firing offence. We shall have to agree to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, Finlay James said: Well, it happens, nobody has died and even if the win is awarded to Cove, we will still win the group. We'll learn and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, thejts said: We had a 5 hour round trip last night to watch the game and I'm feckin raging. We have tickets for Saturday too . I will be getting a refund if I don't know the outcome first . Maybe I feel different on Saturday but I doubt it . However I don't think we should lie back and accept 3 point deduction yet . There is no precedent exactly the same as ours .Rangers played for years with ineligible players and did not not lose any points. If we do though I won't be going to any other group games that's for sure . I'm raging too as I won't be going on Saturday but have tickets for Cowdenbeath and Inverness, and won't be going to either if they are meaningless. One of our two chances of silverware could be over after 1 game. An absolute ****ing disgrace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, Husky said: The administration side of our club is a shambles In future please employ people who are professional in administration hibs will be having a right laugh FTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
part_time_jambo Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Just now, Morph said: Another mistake in a long line of **** ups from this board. Read the first page then jumped to the last page as I couldn't be bothered reading it all. Has it been posts like this for 7 pages? (nothing wrong with the post itself, but not 7 pages worth) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paulo Sergio Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Just now, Gambo said: Cheers. So if you read the whole article you would have understood that they weren't directly thrown out? Good, don't want people fearing we'll be thrown out due to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said: Even more worrying is if the lad wasn't registered he was playing in league games from January so would've been playing when not registered in league also Previous contract ran until June so he was contracted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, 3fingersreid said: Dunfermline and East Stirling have been thrown out for the exact same circumstances in the past amateurish embarrassing and unacceptable Thrown out OR opposition awarded a victory? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Sanity on jkb? Day to remember! Potentially a mistake which coukd costs an absolute minimum of 100k. Sacking in any line of work. There area acceptable and unacceptable incompetence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BobbyJenkins said: Proportionality and perspective are all that’s required here. Digs about smelling of roses etc is unecessary bollocks imo. Some people apply the same degree of outrage to anything that happens with us. I agree. I am sure if this happened under Pieman’s and Hamster’s watch, people would happily dismiss it as a simple mistake, not warranting criticism. Edited July 19, 2018 by Paolo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 We really don’t like the League Cup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Maybe if we spent less time signing 10 new central midfielders and more time resigning the ones we had eh. ****ing shambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_HMFC Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Good grief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 10 minutes ago, PeterintheRain said: You really are a trolling prick! There is no more a punishment of being thrown out of the cup than there was a punishment of The Rangers being relegated. You've been shown the actual rules and keep on with your lies. I really hate scum like you. Lying scum and working to destroy HMFC for some reason despite claiming to be a fan. Once more with feeling! you are scum! The actual state of this felly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said: Even more worrying is if the lad wasn't registered he was playing in league games from January so would've been playing when not registered in league also No. Read the club statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Just now, Gambo said: Thrown out OR opposition awarded a victory? Your right Gambo.. no one has been thrown out.. they've lost a the which means they go out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Morph said: Another mistake in a long line of **** ups from this board. You mean like building the new stand, laying the new pitch and attracting major sponsorship and benefactors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyJenkins Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Paolo said: I agree. I am sure if this happen under Pieman’s and Hamster’s watch, people would happily dismiss it as a simple mistake, not warranting criticism. I definitely would, can’t speak for others. Criticism would be levelled BUT it would be proportionate and relevant ?. Edited July 19, 2018 by BobbyJenkins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 50 minutes ago, Pants Shaton said: I doubt we’ll be kicked out - we would have if it was a knock-out game. As said previously, an embarrassment for a club our size. This. Would hate to be the person that had to knock on Budge or Leveins office door. " Excuse me Ma'am, do you have a second" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Don't know whether to laugh or be angry!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbster Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Mistakes happen, as demonstrated by the existence of pant wetting posters on this thread. £2k fine and nothing else, anything more would be harsh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bring Back Paulo Sergio said: So if you read the whole article you would have understood that they weren't directly thrown out? Good, don't want people fearing we'll be thrown out due to this. They were thrown out whatever way you look at it. Tell me how giving the opposition a 3-0 victory keeps them in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAlim Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 All that for nothing then eh? What a waste of my time off and money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldie83 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, red said: Is what it is! Mistakes happen, we move on! Shite cup anyway This has been the attitude for far to long regarding this cup.I went to Cove last night and spent hard earned money for nothing by the looks of it. Also bought tickets including hospitality for the ICT game for all betfred games. Now they could be no more than meaningless friendlies. So no mate, I don’t have your “mistakes happen, shite cup anyway, it is what it is” attitude towards this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboozy Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Juanjo15 said: The actual state of this felly I fear for him, he needs help IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldie83 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Just now, BigAlim said: All that for nothing then eh? What a waste of my time off and money Exactly. read my post under this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paulo Sergio Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Gambo said: They were thrown out whatever way you look at it. Tell me how giving the opposition a 3-0 victory keeps them in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Sifter Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 23 minutes ago, Old Castle Rock said: Where to? It was a joke mate. But Rangers probably ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Jambo Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, Wilson said: Cove Rangers and Stranraer were each fined £2000 in 2016 for fielding ineligible players in the Betfred Cup. Both players were unused subs though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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