Bring Back Paulo Sergio Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Gambo said: Are you saying that report did not say "Albion Rovers were thrown out the cup" ? I can see where it says the 3-0 stuff, can you see where it says they were thrown out? The title is incorrect, they weren't thrown out the cup. Surely you see that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: Out at group stages again. So many people arriving at club that we dropped the ball. Clowns. Not if we win the next 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Gambo said: Are you saying that report did not say "Albion Rovers were thrown out the cup" ? I can see where it says the 3-0 stuff, can you see where it says they were thrown out? When you lose a Cup knock out game 3-0 you are out. "Thrown out" is accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldie83 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, CJGJ said: It's not just a minor thing as this could cost the club £200,000 plus I find it hard to believe that no one checked just who was registered prior to the match...just slack procedures and working practices by those involved I’m sure I read that Motherwell’s league cup (albeit they made the final. No reason why Hearts couldn’t this season) run made them close to £600000! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTweedy Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 20 minutes ago, CJGJ said: Here's a prime example from last season...we could well be leaving the league cup The Scottish Professional Football League has opened disciplinary proceedings against Albion Rovers, after the League One side fielded an ineligible player during their Challenge Cup victory over Spartans. Liam McGuigan was on the Rovers bench for the first-round tie on Tuesday. The midfielder's team won 5-4 on penalties after a goalless 120 minutes. Both teams will be entered in Thursday's second-round draw, pending the outcome of the proceedings. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40951947 Albion Rovers have been thrown out of the Scottish Challenge Cup and fined £2,000 for fielding an unregistered player in their win over Spartans. It means the Lowland League side will instead host Linfield in the second round on 2 September. The Wee Rovers won the tie on 15 August on penalties after a 0-0 draw, but 18-year-old debutant Liam McGuigan had not been registered. He had previously been part of the League One club's development squad. Rovers, who are managed by former Motherwell and Scotland midfielder Brian Kerr, pleaded guilty to a breach of the competition's regulations at a Scottish Professional Football League hearing. The governing body annulled the result of the first-round tie and awarded it to Spartans 3-0. Midfielder McGuigan came on as a 71st-minute substitute for Michael Hopkins. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41038340 Based on that, we should expect the match to be awarded as a 3-0 win to Cove. It does leave us needing to win all three remaining games, but that's certainly doable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Lambo85 said: If we get knocked out then assume all tickets will be refunded. What an absolute shambolic start to the season. Probably with a bit of emotional blackmail attached. “We have fantastic supporters we say sorry to and you are all welcome to a return for your tickets we value all your support and look forward to your backing this coming season” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidjamesbottle Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 15 minutes ago, gowestjambo said: Just how many more amateur bumbling's must the long suffering Supporters of Heart of Midlothian have to put up with from the Buffoons in charge of our Football Club???? Have a word with yourself ya clown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferryjambo99 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, SUTOL said: List of possible sanctions. J16 Upon determining that a breach of or failure to fulfil the Rules or Regulations has been established, the Board or, as the case may be, a Commission may:- J16.1 give a warning as to future conduct; J16.2 give a reprimand; J16.3 impose a fine; J16.4 annul the result of an Official Match; J16.5 order that an Official Match be replayed; J16.6 impose a deduction of points; J16.7 award an Official Match (with such deemed score as it thinks appropriate) to a Club; J16.8 order the playing of an Official Match or Matches behind closed doors; J16.9 order the closure of all or part of a Stadium for such period and for such purposes as it thinks appropriate; J16.10 order the playing of an Official Match or Matches at such Stadium as it thinks appropriate; Plus others which don't seem applicable. So there is no "kicked out the cup" punishment. 3-0 cove win it will be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, frankblack said: So you think a DOF should effectively check all the work their subordinates do? What is the point having them and where does the DOF get time to actually do their own job? It is his responsibility. That is why Bushe originally split the roles. And, yes, in any job, if someone does **** up, their manager is ultimately responsible, and will be judged on it. As I said in an earlier post, not saying he should be sacked (though others have), but he is responsible. I am sure KB will find a way to shield him from responsibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 This is up there as the worst day of my entire life. Sitting here DYING of embarrassment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, frankblack said: So you think a DOF should effectively check all the work their subordinates do? What is the point having them and where does the DOF get time to actually do their own job? But that is one if the main arguments of having a D.o.F., he can deal with all the admin/contracts/agents etc side of things and let the manager get on with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamle1874 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 This is what’s happened previous, wonder what punishment we will get https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stranraer-cove-rangers-fined-censured-8504934.amp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 16 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: It is a different perhaps unprecedented situation in being a group game Perhaps 3-0 victories awarded to every team. Surely the fairest outcome. And then the punishment of having to refund tickets for the home games. Hearing is Monday after Raith game but before Cowdenbeath and Inverness games. Why should Cove be awarded points but not the others? Maybe get/ need a friendly to make up the money / games. Ehhh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Jambof3tornado said: What value a cup run to the final?? Sorry but somebody should lose their job over it. Stringent procedures in place but we still messed up. Someone should lose their job of our players don’t do their job and win the next 3 games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Embarrassing. For a club of our stature to make such a mistake is honestly laughable. If this hinders the chance of the club winning silverware, then someone needs severely dealt with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Just now, Juanjo15 said: Someone should lose their job of our players don’t do their job and win the next 3 games? Totally different argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gedster Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 She keeps telling the world we're so well run as a club...................maybe we've disappeared up our own erchie with that mantra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, SUTOL said: If we didn't gain a 'sporting advantage' I believe that precedent has already been set and established... Winning 2 nil and then the sub comes on and we concede a goal, even more evidence of no sporting advantage. That is a special rule, for ‘certain’ clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Just now, jamle1874 said: This is what’s happened previous, wonder what punishment we will get https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stranraer-cove-rangers-fined-censured-8504934.amp £2k and a loss of the match. There’s no way they will move the goalposts because this will be high profile tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 24 minutes ago, Gambo said: As a side issue and a bug bear of mine. We give team line ups to a League official before the game (referee), he accepts that and game starts. He should have a list from SFA of who is able to play for both teams. Not an excuse in this case as that is not the rules just now. Indeed, sjouldn’t be difficult with current technology. Total ****** up from Hearts though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_92 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, jamle1874 said: Cove Rangers and Stranraer both done the same in 2016 both were fined £2000, Cove lost the game anyway but Stranraer won and I think that result still stood Because, in both cases, the player in question was an unused sub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Someone needs to learn to hit the send button. Seats, team sheets. Hit ****in' enter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Oliver Twist said: This is up there as the worst day of my entire life. Sitting here DYING of embarrassment. Really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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soonbe110 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 14 minutes ago, cosanostra said: If we're thrown out of the cup or the game is awarded to Cove, whoever is responsible for this needs to be dismissed. Absolutely pathetic and inexcusable way to run a football club. Shameful tbh. You are the guy who has never made a mistake at work I presume? Probably the only one in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beats Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, WeeChuck'sHeed said: Not if we win the next 3. Peterhead finished 2nd on 9 points last season and were knocked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Sifter Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 That’ll be Lafferty away then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonsgotop Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 10 minutes ago, milky_26 said: with the hearing not being until after our game v raith, that might help us as the spfl might not want to been seen to allow a game to go ahead when expulsion can happen after it. Cove and Raith will have their cash and if we get thrown out it would only be Hearts that would lose out by having 2 home games coming up. Also have all out other contract extensions been checked over or is this the only ****** up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, Bring Back Paulo Sergio said: The title is incorrect, they weren't thrown out the cup. Surely you see that? I can see that. I did not though say the words "Albion Rovers were thrown out" were not there to read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haken Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Utterly embarrassing and I'm quite angry about it. Yes, mistakes happen, but making sure your players are registered properly should be an absolute priority. On the basis that we've signed up a number of the youngsters and a whole team of new players, you would have thought proper checks had taken place. dont think we'll get booted. There was a decline in the result since the lad came on so he actually helped Cove! But even awarding a 3-0 win to Cove would be pretty galling. Hearts, you deserve this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Just now, Jambof3tornado said: Totally different argument. Se get chucked out, someone should be on a final warning and will probably walk regardless unless it’s Levein who is in charge or someone he brought in to deal with this side of things. 3 points lost then some person doesn’t have to sit there and pray like feck we go through then take the club to a tribunal if we don’t. It’s not how Human Resources works I’m afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Kaiser Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 But some clubs feature ineligible human beings? How are they not punished? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Just now, Beats said: Peterhead finished 2nd on 9 points last season and were knocked out. We need to be on 9 and above ICT then. Need to win 3 and top the group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Jambof3tornado said: Really. REALLY REALLY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cigaro Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, jamle1874 said: This is what’s happened previous, wonder what punishment we will get https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stranraer-cove-rangers-fined-censured-8504934.amp Both players unused subs though. Was there any sporting advantage gained by Andy being brought on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, DC_92 said: Because, in both cases, the player in question was an unused sub. And both clubs got pumped anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, BobbyJenkins said: ? are we out?! Belt up ffs. No. It is a bad mistake, and an embarrassing one. We do not yet know the punishment, or impact of it. But criticism is due regardless. Some will give it. Some will still refuse to criticise, and even deflect, in the false belief, it makes them less of a fan. Edited July 19, 2018 by Paolo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canada Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Mistakes happen unfortunately but it's a real embarrassment and very annoying. Any punishment should be handed out tomorrow so us and Raith know where we stand for Saturday though. It's obviously our fault but you'd think there would be a way to check when the team sheets are handed in. I hope we're checking Cove's registrations too just in case they made a mistake as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Totz beemur, like. Take the grief and move on. Dint think we'll get booted out but we shall see. Cant help but think a few of the souls on the match thread will be secretly quite chuffed about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonsgotop Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 If we don't get kicked out the only guarantee to qualify is to finish top and we are already 9 goals behind ICT assuming Cove get handed a 3-0 win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Paolo said: I’d imagine that is the remit of the DoF. Falkirk sacked Bannon, when he was manager only, for making an error on a player eligibility. Can I add, I am not saying he should be sacked. Just answering your question. Do you honestly believe that Levein is personally responsible for registering the contracts of circa 160 players with the SFA?? Edited July 19, 2018 by soonbe110 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferryjambo99 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Gambo said: I can see that. I did not though say the words "Albion Rovers were thrown out" were not there to read. That's the reporter saying that, journalistic licence. As illustrated by the list of punishments above you cannot be kicked out, just a 3-0 win awarded to the other team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paulo Sergio Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Gambo said: I can see that. I did not though say the words "Albion Rovers were thrown out" were not there to read. So we agree that we can expect a 3-0 defeat rather than be thrown out? Like you suggested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambo85 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 If we don’t get our act together then we could be out of the League Cup come Saturday night. If that happens then I will be requesting a full refund for the tickets I have bought for the Cowdenbeath and Inverness games. Shambolic stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 What a shower of hapless amateurs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Do you honestly believe that Levein is personally responsible for registering the contracts of circa 60 players with the SFA?? He is ultimately responsible. Not personally, though, that is why I never said he should be sacked. Edited July 19, 2018 by Paolo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Scenes Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Beats said: Peterhead finished 2nd on 9 points last season and were knocked out. Dunfernline didn't lose a game though did they not? So if we manage to up the anty and beat the remaining 3 we could still finish top Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, Ferryjambo99 said: So there is no "kicked out the cup" punishment. 3-0 cove win it will be It is most likely Cove won't be affecting anyone else (i.e. best placed 2nd place) unless they win their last 2 games which is not so likely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howdy Doody Jambo Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mr Sifter said: That’ll be Lafferty away then. Where to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrod Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 11 minutes ago, Cade said: If it was anybody else they'd get a fine or a replay. We'll simply be booted out. We are as good as booted out with a 3-0 award anyway . 9 pts prod won't be enough to take us through and even if we sneak through in 2nd we will be unseeded . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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