Mikey1874 Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Michael Grant in The Times today says it's 33% to St Mirren and 10% of any fee to McGinn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts007 Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 will go for an undisclosed fee I bet because by the time St midden and McGinn get there cut Hobos will be too embarrassed to announce what they were left with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbert. Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 How much does Tom farmer take from transfers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 16 minutes ago, Herbert said: How much does Tom farmer take from transfers? Is it not 50% ? So..... Whatever Celtic decide to give them....less McGinns 10%.....less St Mirrens cut.....less Tom Farmers cut...... Hibs will be left with enough to buy.....well....not a lot tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 2 hours ago, WeeChuck'sHeed said: I did and it all went to feck. Better just to stay on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbert. Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 1 minute ago, DH1986 said: Is it not 50% ? So..... Whatever Celtic decide to give them....less McGinns 10%.....less St Mirrens cut.....less Tom Farmers cut...... Hibs will be left with enough to buy.....well....not a lot tbh. 7% I hope its true, If celtic paid £2m they have lost their superstar midfield for a grand total of 140k. I recon he will be at hibs until January and go for a nominal fee or sign a pre contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacklivi1874 Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 How does TF get 50% of any hobo transfer fee, just asking likes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Farmer gets nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergio Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Probably already been said but Celtic will pay a low fee and Chuck Scott Allan as a sweetener Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 33 minutes ago, hughesie27 said: Farmer gets nothing. Correct. He gets his £41,667pm for 10 years with around 6 or 7 years to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 So 1.5 million is still the only bid for the Lochend Messi.....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sairyinthat Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 They better hope if he is not transferred this window he doesn't down tools,and that scenario is looking very likely to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 minute ago, sairyinthat said: They better hope if he is not transferred this window he doesn't down tools,and that scenario is looking very likely to me. They're looking to play him against the Faroese team in their Europa qualifier, which will devalue him somewhat you would reckon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAlim Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 minute ago, sairyinthat said: They better hope if he is not transferred this window he doesn't down tools,and that scenario is looking very likely to me. Can see it panning out that way, apparently they want Celtic to double their offer and that's just not going to happen imo pre-contract in January leaving hibs with nowt is a likely scenario if they keep pushing this inflated fee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carnockjambo Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 It’s the bank that gets a % of any transfer deals. Hearing strong rumours all is not Well at ER with Lennon/Petrie/Dempster not talking all regards to McGinn transfer to Tic. Lennon been told no funds for team even if McGinn goes as money needed elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@VladMagic Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, carnockjambo said: It’s the bank that gets a % of any transfer deals. Hearing strong rumours all is not Well at ER with Lennon/Petrie/Dempster not talking all regards to McGinn transfer to Tic. Lennon been told no funds for team even if McGinn goes as money needed elsewhere. Thought he was promised the largest "budget" in their history? Or words to that affect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacklivi1874 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Who are these posters hearing from, always curious to that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old school tie Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 They should hang on and sign him up on a pre-contract in January Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 21 minutes ago, ...a bit disco said: They're looking to play him against the Faroese team in their Europa qualifier, which will devalue him somewhat you would reckon. I don't think you can be cup tied on Europe now...if thats what you mean. Be massively devalued if he gets injured tho! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, carnockjambo said: It’s the bank that gets a % of any transfer deals. Hearing strong rumours all is not Well at ER with Lennon/Petrie/Dempster not talking all regards to McGinn transfer to Tic. Lennon been told no funds for team even if McGinn goes as money needed elsewhere. I don't think that's the case. However Lennon has been noticeably absent since the end of the season in the press. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, carnockjambo said: It’s the bank that gets a % of any transfer deals. Hearing strong rumours all is not Well at ER with Lennon/Petrie/Dempster not talking all regards to McGinn transfer to Tic. Lennon been told no funds for team even if McGinn goes as money needed elsewhere. Farmer bought the debt of the bank, that's why he takes about £500k a year. Hope McGinn gets injured for 6 months when they get emptied off the fisherman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, carnockjambo said: It’s the bank that gets a % of any transfer deals. Hearing strong rumours all is not Well at ER with Lennon/Petrie/Dempster not talking all regards to McGinn transfer to Tic. Lennon been told no funds for team even if McGinn goes as money needed elsewhere. Hearing from where? Seems far fetched to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Just now, Rudy T said: I don't think that's the case. However Lennon has been noticeably absent since the end of the season in the press. He's not going to rip into his beloved Celtic for offered £3.5m less than he values McGinn at (aye right) think of the Celtic functions? Will someone please.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rudy T said: I don't think you can be cup tied on Europe now...if thats what you mean. Be massively devalued if he gets injured tho! Ah, thanks. So a MOTM performance against NSI Runavik could potentially add a milllon or 2 onto his value then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Just now, Jambof3tornado said: Hearing from where? Seems far fetched to me. It's plausible you could get the information off their assistant manager for a bottle of White Lightning, cup of tomato soup from Greggs and a new homeless blanket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, Juanjo15 said: He's not going to rip into his beloved Celtic for offered £3.5m less than he values McGinn at (aye right) think of the Celtic functions? Will someone please.... He also wants half their reserve team so actually quite a generous offer from their pals all things considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Rudy T said: He also wants half their reserve team so actually quite a generous offer from their pals all things considered. True. After Petrie and Lawwell falling out Lennon will have to watch his words very carefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Just now, Juanjo15 said: True. After Petrie and Lawwell falling out Lennon will have to watch his words very carefully. Is that public knowledge, this fall out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacklivi1874 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 15 minutes ago, Juanjo15 said: It's plausible you could get the information off their assistant manager for a bottle of White Lightning, cup of tomato soup from Greggs and a new homeless blanket. Wherever the info's coming would it not be easier to mention just that, for me it adds more substance to the post or thread I may add what did the Tash and Lawwell fall out about ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Rudy T said: Is that public knowledge, this fall out? Lawell publicly ripped into the SFA apart from a couple of guys but noticeably didn't mention Petrie. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lawwell-slams-sfas-old-guard-0v6dqdb9k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, jacklivi1874 said: Wherever the info's coming would it not be easier to mention just that, for me it adds more substance to the post or thread I may add what did the Tash and Lawwell fall out about ?? SFA power. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lawwell-slams-sfas-old-guard-0v6dqdb9k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacklivi1874 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Just now, Juanjo15 said: SFA power. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lawwell-slams-sfas-old-guard-0v6dqdb9k Cheers for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Juanjo15 said: SFA power. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lawwell-slams-sfas-old-guard-0v6dqdb9k Suddenly taking a liking to this guy! Thing is Petrie isn't really a pivotal figure at Hibs in regards to transfers, its Haley Cropper that deals with that now. Maybe gift wrapping them their prize asset for a 3rd of his managers valuation may help smooth things over tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Rudy T said: Suddenly taking a liking to this guy! Thing is Petrie isn't really a pivotal figure at Hibs in regards to transfers, its Haley Cropper that deals with that now. Maybe gift wrapping them their prize asset for a 3rd of his managers valuation may help smooth things over tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Just now, jonnothejambo said: Yep. It's well seeing who wears the trousers in that relationship.. Which one... Cropper and Petrie or Hoops and Mini Hoops? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh ah grantona Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Juanjo15 said: Farmer bought the debt of the bank, that's why he takes about £500k a year. Hope McGinn gets injured for 6 months when they get emptied off the fisherman. I think part of that deal was the bank takes a percentage of all transfer money recieved. Im sure i seen at time but could be me just guessing great deal for Hibs if you never sell a player!! With St Midden getting 33% and possibly the bank % then you can see why the price is so high (Ball is in Celtic & McGinn hand) Can celtic survive 6 month to a season without him absoultly can Mcginn stick anoter season at Hibs of course he can. Cant see Celtic budging on valuation which is very fair for a guy out of contract in a year and would move to you for free anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, oh ah grantona said: I think part of that deal was the bank takes a percentage of all transfer money recieved. Im sure i seen at time but could be me just guessing great deal for Hibs if you never sell a player!! With St Midden getting 33% and possibly the bank % then you can see why the price is so high (Ball is in Celtic & McGinn hand) Can celtic survive 6 month to a season without him absoultly can Mcginn stick anoter season at Hibs of course he can. Cant see Celtic budging on valuation which is very fair for a guy out of contract in a year and would move to you for free anyway Farmer negotiated a deal with the bank and they wrote off Hibs mortgage debt of around £6.9M IIRC. At the time they owed Farmer circa £2M in soft loans. After his deal with the bank, Hibs then owed Farmer £5M secured and payable over 10 years at £41,667pm. The HSL charade was set up to help pay this. Edited July 10, 2018 by Rudolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 15 minutes ago, oh ah grantona said: I think part of that deal was the bank takes a percentage of all transfer money recieved. Im sure i seen at time but could be me just guessing great deal for Hibs if you never sell a player!! With St Midden getting 33% and possibly the bank % then you can see why the price is so high (Ball is in Celtic & McGinn hand) Can celtic survive 6 month to a season without him absoultly can Mcginn stick anoter season at Hibs of course he can. Cant see Celtic budging on valuation which is very fair for a guy out of contract in a year and would move to you for free anyway I've actually no idea I just mind the deal with the bank robbing the tax payer of millions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh ah grantona Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, Rudolf said: Farmer negotiated a deal with the bank and they wrote off Hibs mortgage debt of around £6.9M IIRC. At the time they owed Farmer circa £2M in soft loans. After his deal with the bank, Hibs then owed Farmer £5M secured and payable over 10 years at £41,667pm. The HSL charade was set up to help pay this. Cant see a Bank writing off £3.9M for £3m up front mind you it was the Bank of Scotland. Was the 6.9 the outstanding debt or was interest included in that as id imagine interest on £3m mortgagae would be a hefty amount Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalstonjambo Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 minute ago, oh ah grantona said: Cant see a Bank writing off £3.9M for £3m up front mind you it was the Bank of Scotland. Was the 6.9 the outstanding debt or was interest included in that as id imagine interest on £3m mortgagae would be a hefty amount To be fair that's quite common on what is deemed to be 'bad debt', ie debt they think they'll never see back. Bank of Scotland also were willing to take a haircut on some debts to get out of certain industries after Halifax merger, Scottish football was one. Regarding the percentage of transfer fees, it rings a bill, but it may have been Dundee Utd who did a similar deal around the same time? I remember that being reported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By the light Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, oh ah grantona said: Cant see a Bank writing off £3.9M for £3m up front mind you it was the Bank of Scotland. Was the 6.9 the outstanding debt or was interest included in that as id imagine interest on £3m mortgagae would be a hefty amount There’s probably other interests that Farmer has with the bank that will continue to see the bank make money from them. They’ll have looked at the bigger picture and calculated it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, carnockjambo said: It’s the bank that gets a % of any transfer deals. Absolute pish. Edited July 10, 2018 by hughesie27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bauld Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 hour ago, carnockjambo said: It’s the bank that gets a % of any transfer deals. Hearing strong rumours all is not Well at ER with Lennon/Petrie/Dempster not talking all regards to McGinn transfer to Tic. Lennon been told no funds for team even if McGinn goes as money needed elsewhere. Hibs talk a good game and Lennon will be finding out about now that that is all they can do. Still a wee team. Always will be a wee team. They've gotten a little bit above their station since winning the cup but once you reach the top of the mountain there is only one way you can go from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh ah grantona Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, Dalstonjambo said: To be fair that's quite common on what is deemed to be 'bad debt', ie debt they think they'll never see back. Bank of Scotland also were willing to take a haircut on some debts to get out of certain industries after Halifax merger, Scottish football was one. Regarding the percentage of transfer fees, it rings a bill, but it may have been Dundee Utd who did a similar deal around the same time? I remember that being reported. Yep im sure Dundee United & Aberdeen maybe done it They were all at same time as you say bank wanted away so maybe im just assuming all done same deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, Dalstonjambo said: To be fair that's quite common on what is deemed to be 'bad debt', ie debt they think they'll never see back. Bank of Scotland also were willing to take a haircut on some debts to get out of certain industries after Halifax merger, Scottish football was one. Regarding the percentage of transfer fees, it rings a bill, but it may have been Dundee Utd who did a similar deal around the same time? I remember that being reported. Not sure what the original debt was but Farmer is owed £5m by HIbs which they pay back at £500K per year. The the share ownership will never give them control of the club that remains with Farmer and Petrie which is why Kane and co....started the whole Ponzi scheme claims. I'm certain there was something about transfer fees but not sure what it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 So a 2nd bid rejected by Hibs from Celtic. This is getting interesting, Celtic may just walk away, take him for free in January and when biscuit mouth goes back for a wee loan he'll get told to bolt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacklivi1874 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Maybe the players hibs are demanding from celtic as part of this apparent mega deal just dont want to go ER and Hibs are toiling save face, in what could turn out to be an embarrassment for them, here's hoping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 I thought they told them 3m? Lawell be deaf or stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gershwin Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, jacklivi1874 said: Maybe the players hibs are demanding from celtic as part of this apparent mega deal just dont want to go ER and Hibs are toiling save face, in what could turn out to be an embarrassment for them, here's hoping Wouldn't surprise me if they wanted Lewis Morgan and/or Charlie Christie on loan. Edited July 11, 2018 by Gershwin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacklivi1874 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Just now, Gershwin said: Wouldn't surprise me if they wanted Lewis Morgan and/or Charlie Christie on loan. Possibly, the Hobos IMO will have a sense of entitlement and start demanding players/cash knowing they really are onto plumbs which i find a tad amusing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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