Offers already made to 3 players ( merged )

[Jambo jambo]

1 minute ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

No not at all drop everything, but I think it has to be your no 1 priority (no pun intended).

Having went through years of sh!te goalkeepers at Pittodrie, it is a very important position to fill and can breed confidence from the back.

 

Our recruitment has not really kicked off in earnest yet, not even any decent rumours.

We did sign Sam Cosgrove (not sure he'll make it) and Mickey Devlin in January as pro-active options for next season.

Its very strange that an Aberdeen supporter has taken the time to register onto another clubs forum.Whats your reason for that?

[stranraer-jambo]

3 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

No not at all drop everything, but I think it has to be your no 1 priority (no pun intended).

Having went through years of sh!te goalkeepers at Pittodrie, it is a very important position to fill and can breed confidence from the back.

 

Our recruitment has not really kicked off in earnest yet, not even any decent rumours.

We did sign Sam Cosgrove (not sure he'll make it) and Mickey Devlin in January as pro-active options for next season.

Who is saying it is not our number 1 priority? Only you going by your posts.

 

What do you know about our negotiations and targets that we don't know, please enlighten us.

[wavydavy]

10 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

There was a report saying he was ready to leave SevCo to continue playing.

Was there also a rumour he could go to you guys.

I recall someone saying he would be the first player to play for both main teams in Glasgow and Edinburgh

 

It was mentioned on a thread on here recently. Personally I would take him over Maclean any day even at his age he is sharper and quicker than Maclean.

[AlimOzturk]

1 minute ago, Jambo jambo said:

Its very strange that an Aberdeen supporter has taken the time to register onto another clubs forum.Whats your reason for that?

 

Not really. It is good having opposition views. I am not personally registered with other sites but tbh I see no harm as long as they aren't looming to troll. Friendly banter is fine

 

[Nookie Bear]

1 hour ago, Archie White said:

In the Connor Salmon league and completely underwhelming.

 

We could have Sammon and McLean up front !

 

Good times!

[Spencer]

12 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

I was thnking earlier that we would have been relatively happy to have him as cover after the jan window when we had very little. 

Absolutely Dave. Would we be better bring MacLean off bench with 20 mins to go at Dens the other week or bring Moore & Henderson on who made no impact. That's no disresect to these young guys.  We just have too many young players who are in ahead of their readiness at this time 

 

This is a tried and tested player who has looked after himself. Clearly not the marquee signing of the summer  (I hope!) But someone who could make a meaningful contribution 

 

We have no back up whatsoever to Lafferty. Makes sense to me on a couple of levels 

[gashauskis9]

5 goals in 30 games.  Just sayin...

[RudiHMFC]

It doesn't look like the MacLean thing is a joke, which I find absolutely incredible, I can only laugh at it to be honest.

[jambo1961]

If we were in the Championship and toiling for cash getting  the likes of McLean or Miller in would be fair enough

 

If we want to challenge proper then those two aint the answer, we need to show ambition and TBH i think we will as time goes on

[jamboinglasgow]

25 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

Great entertainment. Good to read decent level of positivity. Seems that's winning just now. Which is good.

 

MacLean may be being targeted as more of a future coach. Guys like Levein and Daly will know him well. I do know he is very highly rated by Tommy Wright as a player and as a person. That's the Tommy Wright a lot of people prefer to Craig Levein. 

 

So he comes in, is back up and helps the youngsters. But people complaining about too many coaches should realise you don't want a coach to be seriously working with too many players. There isn't enough time. Then there is all the other age groups. Maybe he'll take the U14s for example. 

 

See what happens. 

 

I think there is something important that people are missing which comes in next season, the new reserve league. U20s ends and it becomes a reserve league (with a minimum number of older players required to play) and an U18 team. People say that we already have coaches with striking experience but neither of them are registered as players and haven't played for a wee while. If you have MacLean in then he can play reguarly with Keena or Currie (or any other up and coming young striker) in a reserve team, mentoring them on the pitch (like Naismith does in the first team.) Something they will learn a lot from. While he is also an intelligent player who knows how to make the most up front even if he has lost the physical edge he had years ago. So can make sense as a back up striker who can come off the bench every so often if needed. 

 

As for the coaching side, as you say just because he comes a coach doesn't mean he is going to be first team coach. I haven't seen it confirmed, but the new U18 team, even if it to replace the U17 team would require an U16 team to be created. (currently it goes every year has a youth team up till U15 then jumps U17. So logicially it makes sense that this is replaced with the same up to U15, then U16, U18 then reserve.) So that requires a new coaching team. So positions become available. You could even have specialised coaches for the academy. I think coaching can be overlooked and more coaches can better help develop players.

 

I think had we announced some big players or linked seriously to players before MacLean there would not be as much uproar. I was not inspired or pleased when I saw him linked at first, but thinking about it and seeing what has been said I think it could be a key cog in the wider make up of the club.

[IveSeenTheLight]

4 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

It was mentioned on a thread on here recently. Personally I would take him over Maclean any day even at his age he is sharper and quicker than Maclean.

 

I would agree there.

Miller probably has a fairly decent conversion rate per minute played.

[Spencer]

3 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

We could have Sammon and McLean up front !

 

Good times!

We could have Lafferty and Naismith (as a permanent Hearts player) up front with MacLean as an option to come on and play a part 

 

Sammon will not play for Hearts again 

[ramrod]

So we've got Hughes to mentor the young lads at the back.  McClean to mentor the young strikers . Is there a 35+ mid out of contract? 

 

[davemclaren]

2 minutes ago, Spencer said:

Absolutely Dave. Would we be better bring MacLean off bench with 20 mins to go at Dens the other week or bring Moore & Henderson on who made no impact. That's no disresect to these young guys.  We just have too many young players who are in ahead of their readiness at this time 

 

This is a tried and tested player who has looked after himself. Clearly not the marquee signing of the summer  (I hope!) But someone who could make a meaningful contribution 

 

We have no back up whatsoever to Lafferty. Makes sense to me on a couple of levels 

Our main/important signings need to be in midfield this summer. 

[wavydavy]

3 minutes ago, ramrod said:

So we've got Hughes to mentor the young lads at the back.  McClean to mentor the young strikers . Is there a 35+ mid out of contract? 

 

 

We already have Cowie.

[Tokyo Drifter]

I'm guessing if we're in for Maclean and it's not just his agent fishing, then it means Naismith is off.

 

[ramrod]

Just now, wavydavy said:

 

We already have Cowie.

That's it then , just need a 35+ goalie and we are sorted , unless we need an experienced player to mentor the subs . 

[stranraer-jambo]

2 minutes ago, Tokyo Drifter said:

I'm guessing if we're in for Maclean and it's not just his agent fishing, then it means Naismith is off.

 

Why.....?

[Nookie Bear]

31 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

Great entertainment. Good to read decent level of positivity. Seems that's winning just now. Which is good.

 

MacLean may be being targeted as more of a future coach. Guys like Levein and Daly will know him well. I do know he is very highly rated by Tommy Wright as a player and as a person. That's the Tommy Wright a lot of people prefer to Craig Levein. 

 

So he comes in, is back up and helps the youngsters. But people complaining about too many coaches should realise you don't want a coach to be seriously working with too many players. There isn't enough time. Then there is all the other age groups. Maybe he'll take the U14s for example. 

 

See what happens. 

 

If we need a coach then we should employ a coach. If we need a striker, then we should sign a striker. 

 

With McLean we get a striker on the way out and a coach with no coaching experience. 

 

I think you are tying yourself in knots because you do not want to face up to the fact we either have no cash or no clue.*

 

*i would love to be proved wrong over the summer transfer window and feel free to throw his back in my face. 

[jambo1961]

3 minutes ago, Tokyo Drifter said:

I'm guessing if we're in for Maclean and it's not just his agent fishing, then it means Naismith is off.

 

The plot thickens

[Spencer]

4 minutes ago, Tokyo Drifter said:

I'm guessing if we're in for Maclean and it's not just his agent fishing, then it means Naismith is off.

 

I doubt that is the case 

[ramrod]

1 minute ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

If we need a coach then we should employ a coach. If we need a striker, then we should sign a striker. 

 

With McLean we get a striker on the way out and a coach with no coaching experience. 

 

I think you are tying yourself in knots because you do not want to face up to the fact we either have no cash or no clue.*

 

*i would love to be proved wrong over the summer transfer window and feel free to throw his back in my face. 

This post is spot on . 

 

[wavydavy]

3 minutes ago, ramrod said:

That's it then , just need a 35+ goalie and we are sorted , unless we need an experienced player to mentor the subs . 

 

Mcgregor or Gordon both fit the bill. We have a Coach to Coach the Coaches so why not.

[Nookie Bear]

9 minutes ago, Spencer said:

We could have Lafferty and Naismith (as a permanent Hearts player) up front with MacLean as an option to come on and play a part 

 

Sammon will not play for Hearts again 

 

True. 

 

Of course, as of right now, we only have Laff and Sammon next season. 

[wavydavy]

11 minutes ago, Spencer said:

We could have Lafferty and Naismith (as a permanent Hearts player) up front with MacLean as an option to come on and play a part 

 

Sammon will not play for Hearts again 

 

Hope you are correct.

[mitch41]

2 hours ago, NANOJAMBO said:

Where ? I didn't see any quotes in the article ? 

Agree with the bit in bold though but actually i think that is just a cover for the fact he won't be playing many games. 

Whats the point of a player who is slow, never tackles, can't pass, never wins a header and will be lucky to get a game.

Time has caught up with Hughes.

[jamboinglasgow]

7 minutes ago, Tokyo Drifter said:

I'm guessing if we're in for Maclean and it's not just his agent fishing, then it means Naismith is off.

 

 

Not really. MacLean is not here to be first choice.

[Gambo]

We have Levein, Berra, Hughes, Cowie, Naismith, Lafferty, Kirk, Daly all experienced to mentor the youngsters.

 

[mitch41]

2 hours ago, Sir Gio said:

Looked that way on Saturday

Oh ok and i can name many more than the odd game.

[Mikey1874]

7 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

If we need a coach then we should employ a coach. If we need a striker, then we should sign a striker. 

 

With McLean we get a striker on the way out and a coach with no coaching experience. 

 

I think you are tying yourself in knots because you do not want to face up to the fact we either have no cash or no clue.*

 

*i would love to be proved wrong over the summer transfer window and feel free to throw his back in my face. 

 

There wil be different paths for different people to get into coaching. 

 

But playing and starting coaching is perfectly valid.

 

Kris Boyd and Lee Wallace are examples of players who have started coaching. 

 

Great point by jamboinglasgow above re doing coaching when playing re new reserve league. 

Edited April 12, 2018 by Mikey1874

[mitch41]

1 hour ago, sairyinthat said:

Mixer. End off

The truth is something too many on here can't handle.

[jambo1961]

11 minutes ago, ramrod said:

That's it then , just need a 35+ goalie and we are sorted , unless we need an experienced player to mentor the subs . 

Laughed at that .. FAF

[johnthomas]

14 minutes ago, jamboinglasgow said:

 

I think there is something important that people are missing which comes in next season, the new reserve league. U20s ends and it becomes a reserve league (with a minimum number of older players required to play) and an U18 team. People say that we already have coaches with striking experience but neither of them are registered as players and haven't played for a wee while. If you have MacLean in then he can play reguarly with Keena or Currie (or any other up and coming young striker) in a reserve team, mentoring them on the pitch (like Naismith does in the first team.) Something they will learn a lot from. While he is also an intelligent player who knows how to make the most up front even if he has lost the physical edge he had years ago. So can make sense as a back up striker who can come off the bench every so often if needed. 

 

As for the coaching side, as you say just because he comes a coach doesn't mean he is going to be first team coach. I haven't seen it confirmed, but the new U18 team, even if it to replace the U17 team would require an U16 team to be created. (currently it goes every year has a youth team up till U15 then jumps U17. So logicially it makes sense that this is replaced with the same up to U15, then U16, U18 then reserve.) So that requires a new coaching team. So positions become available. You could even have specialised coaches for the academy. I think coaching can be overlooked and more coaches can better help develop players.

 

I think had we announced some big players or linked seriously to players before MacLean there would not be as much uproar. I was not inspired or pleased when I saw him linked at first, but thinking about it and seeing what has been said I think it could be a key cog in the wider make up of the club.

Did we not lose a generation (slight overstatement you know what I mean) from the academy ?

Young guys who have played this season will be better but not fully ready . Others Keena etc will be introduced gradually .

Surely we need the likes of Hughes , Cowie and MacLean to fill the gaps ?

I'm assuming that's the thought process which seems quite logical 

[mitch41]

4 minutes ago, jamboinglasgow said:

 

Not really. MacLean is not here to be first choice.

So he's not good enough to challenge for a starting place. So why sign him it's a stupid decision.

[jambopilms]

6 minutes ago, mitch41 said:

Whats the point of a player who is slow, never tackles, can't pass, never wins a header and will be lucky to get a game.

Time has caught up with Hughes.

You are full of shit

[jamboinglasgow]

1 minute ago, mitch41 said:

So he's not good enough to challenge for a starting place. So why sign him it's a stupid decision.

 

go read my earlier post.

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

1 hour ago, wavydavy said:

 

If you read back my previous posts I said  what was wrong with Lafferty helping the younger players  in response to the Maclean mentoring.

 

Then this post was made.

  8 minutes ago, johnking123 said:

Lafferty is not a role model! But has done well for us. To much lad to be a role model.

I responded to that about the bookies. Doesn't mean that he or anyone who uses a bookie is a bad person.

 

But you can't be a role model?

[GorgieRules22]

It’s a crap signing, no point trying to butter it up any other way, massive summer in terms of recruitment, piss poor start.

[mitch41]

2 minutes ago, johnthomas said:

Did we not lose a generation (slight overstatement you know what I mean) from the academy ?

Young guys who have played this season will be better but not fully ready . Others Keena etc will be introduced gradually .

Surely we need the likes of Hughes , Cowie and MacLean to fill the gaps ?

I'm assuming that's the thought process which seems quite logical 

We need to improve on players like Hughes, Cowie & Maclean. It's not logical to keep players like these 3.

[A_A wehatethehibs]

Hearts 1983 side was nicknamed “dads army” Sandy Jardine (aged 34), Alex MacDonald (35), Willie Johnston (36), Stewart Maclaren and Donald Park (both 30).

 

Jimmy Bone was the veteran former Partick striker added to that team for free at age 34 to play alongside John Robertson in his first season in the top division. Hearts 3-2 Hibs, say no more.

 

Craig Levein knows that history better than most. I suspect he is maybe trying to slightly replicate it in some way. 

 

MacLean himself is not what matters, his career is just about done same as Bones was when he came to Hearts. What matters is, what is the best way to help Keena, Henderson, Moore, Cochrane and McDonald to perform? Along with keeping the main man Lafferty happy and hopefully Naismith. MacLean did a pretty good job with Stevie May, who would probably tell you that he would not have much of a career if not for him.

 

Our Midfield requirements are an ENTIRELY different story

[Spencer]

31 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

Our main/important signings need to be in midfield this summer. 

Absolutely.  And in order for that not to be compromised we may have to accept short term signings like this one potentially 

[adayinmay]

4 minutes ago, A_A wehatethehibs said:

Hearts 1983 side was nicknamed “dads army” Sandy Jardine (aged 34), Alex MacDonald (35), Willie Johnston (36), Stewart Maclaren and Donald Park (both 30).

 

Jimmy Bone was the veteran former Partick striker added to that team for free at age 34 to play alongside John Robertson in his first season in the top division. Hearts 3-2 Hibs, say no more.

 

Craig Levein knows that history better than most. I suspect he is maybe trying to slightly replicate it in some way. 

 

MacLean himself is not what matters, his career is just about done same as Bones was when he came to Hearts. What matters is, what is the best way to help Keena, Henderson, Moore, Cochrane and McDonald to perform? Along with keeping the main man Lafferty happy and hopefully Naismith. MacLean did a pretty good job with Stevie May, who would probably tell you that he would not have much of a career if not for him.

 

Our Midfield requirements are an ENTIRELY different story

Great post.

 

[Spencer]

Other thing about a deal like this - they not so ignorant in continental Europe to dismiss 30+ players to scrapheap 

 

This type of signing profile (player moving in mid to late 30's) is commonplace in Spain and Italy 

 

I have criticised Martin, Oshinawa etc and quite rightly imo. I'm not going to stick the boot in on this type of transaction in order to augment other transfers that are hopefully likely 

[Juanjo]

47 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

No not at all drop everything, but I think it has to be your no 1 priority (no pun intended).

Having went through years of sh!te goalkeepers at Pittodrie, it is a very important position to fill and can breed confidence from the back.

 

Our recruitment has not really kicked off in earnest yet, not even any decent rumours.

We did sign Sam Cosgrove (not sure he'll make it) and Mickey Devlin in January as pro-active options for next season.

How do you know it isn’t Hearts number one priority? 

[IveSeenTheLight]

55 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Yeah 

 

Luxury of having Lewis and Woodman gives that sort of arrogance 

 

Not intended.

Woodman on loan and will be leaving.

We are lucky to have Lewis, but not outwith the realms he could receive an offer elsewhere.

So we will need at least one keeper.

 

guess you have Hamilton as a back up till you get a keeper in.

I'm only interested as I can see a risk of both McLouchlin and McGregor getting offers elsewhere

[sairyinthat]

27 minutes ago, mitch41 said:

The truth is something too many on here can't handle.

Away and bam some one else up yah looney.

[IveSeenTheLight]

7 minutes ago, Juanjo said:

How do you know it isn’t Hearts number one priority? 

 

It possibly is, I'm not saying it isn't.

Like I said earlier, we had years of disappointing goalkeepers (Brown, Bossu etC), so know its a touch position to fill.

[mitch41]

6 minutes ago, sairyinthat said:

Away and bam some one else up yah looney.

No problem we man.

[kimosavi]

Mclean may sign as cover and for a future coaching role 

 

Just what we need....another coach 

 

Million pound on a new pitch and 430 coaches, coaching how to play attractive hoofball in our shiny new stand 

 

In Levein we trust 

[soonbe110]

33 minutes ago, GorgieRules22 said:

It’s a crap signing, no point trying to butter it up any other way, massive summer in terms of recruitment, piss poor start.

When did he sign?