jambopilms Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 (edited) It's all made up bollox. underwhelmed will be the most used word on here this summer. Edited April 12, 2018 by jambopilms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Just now, wavydavy said: I think I would rather have Steven MacLean, he's quicker than Davidson. He plays about two decent games against us and everybody wants to sign him. I seriously hope we are not after him. We desperately need some pace in the team and he will not provide it. Davidson's worth the risk. He has it all as a player, also never far away from the Scotland scene and that's not a bad thing either. He'd be an exciting signing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartofHartley Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 49 minutes ago, Absolute Scenes said: In the SPL league, what defines a successful player? More to the point, you haven't really bothered to look at MacLeans scoring record over the past few seasons. He has averaged at 9 goals a season, which is around 1 in 4, which is pretty good scoring record for any player. Steven MacLean has played a lot of games for St johnstone, even played in Europa league, knows the SPL well. Of course he would play games, but we are killing 2 birds with one stone. Having someone who can play and also help coach. its a brilliant idea We have 6 first team coaches including CL. How many more do you want? You're over complicating it by having more and more coaches. He's 35 scored 5 goals in 30 games. Averaging 9 a season for a team like Hearts is not good enough... remember people want 17 goal Lafferty away and now all of a sudden this guy fits the bill? It's a shocking idea and a waste of limited resources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnB Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 There are a few on here who just have to be "on the wind up". There can't be any other explanation. Can there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, rudi must stay said: Davidson's worth the risk. He has it all as a player, also never far away from the Scotland scene and that's not a bad thing either. He'd be an exciting signing He might be exciting to you but if this is genuinely the type of player that Levein is looking to sign then I am totally underwhelmed and disappointed. At this stage it is just a rumuor and I hope it stays that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, HeartofHartley said: We have 6 first team coaches including CL. How many more do you want? You're over complicating it by having more and more coaches. He's 35 scored 5 goals in 30 games. Averaging 9 a season for a team like Hearts is not good enough... remember people want 17 goal Lafferty away and now all of a sudden this guy fits the bill? It's a shocking idea and a waste of limited resources. The guy is not even a regular starter for St Johnstone nowadays so has even less chance of playing for us. So is Levein saying that Lafferty can't pass any tips on to the youngsters or is he maybe getting punted in the summer as per the previous rumuor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbee647 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 I have no problem with this, Levein is obviously using the Alex McDonald template from the 80s that tutored successfully the careers of John Robertson, Gary Mackay David Bowman and Craig Levein himself. For Christophe Berra, Aaron Hughes, Don Cowie, Steven Naismith and possibly Steven McLean, read Alex Macdonald , Sandy Jardine, Willie Johnstone Donald Park and Jimmy Bone, every one a fantastic professional who had a huge bearing on the careers of that wonderful group of Hearts players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 1 minute ago, jbee647 said: I have no problem with this, Levein is obviously using the Alex McDonald template from the 80s that tutored successfully the careers of John Robertson, Gary Mackay David Bowman and Craig Levein himself. For Christophe Berra, Aaron Hughes, Don Cowie, Steven Naismith and possibly Steven McLean, read Alex Macdonald , Sandy Jardine, Willie Johnstone Donald Park and Jimmy Bone, every one a fantastic professional who had a huge bearing on the careers of that wonderful group of Hearts players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazajmbo Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Steven McLean chat is horrific. Give it a rest guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 2 hours ago, mitch41 said: Is the answer a manager that knows what he's doing. Looked that way on Saturday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay James Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 6 hours ago, peebles jambo said: I see Stevie quite regularly , i'll ask him, big hibby though He was as a lad but signing for Rangers changed all that. His old man is Hibs through and through though. Steven would be a better signing that folk think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Anyone who thinks he is here to play 30 games, is a bit daft. Model pro who will provide back up on a low wage and add value to training. What goes into 90 minutes on a Saturday is way more than the 90 minutes. Knows the league, intelligent player, coming to the end of his career, will be a cheap bit part for the first team and another excellent addition to the changing room and mentality. Welcome Steven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 A load of thought going into where someone who isn't joining us is going to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 (edited) 34 minutes ago, johnking123 said: People losing the plot because we are after an experienced squad player that will hardly play lol We won last week, so this week we have vented our fury at Lego, fixtures and now a low cost back up option. I would love to see these people with something genuinely worth being angry about Edited April 12, 2018 by Sir Gio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 18 minutes ago, wavydavy said: He might be exciting to you but if this is genuinely the type of player that Levein is looking to sign then I am totally underwhelmed and disappointed. At this stage it is just a rumuor and I hope it stays that way. Hibs took a gamble on McGinn, McGeogh and they've come good. May not work but they may and there's no doubting their talent, and he's on a free. Would be delighted to acquire him, I bet he'd stroll some games at Tynecastle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTS FOREVER Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 McLean and Hughes Just Awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Scenes Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 22 minutes ago, HeartofHartley said: We have 6 first team coaches including CL. How many more do you want? You're over complicating it by having more and more coaches. He's 35 scored 5 goals in 30 games. Averaging 9 a season for a team like Hearts is not good enough... remember people want 17 goal Lafferty away and now all of a sudden this guy fits the bill? It's a shocking idea and a waste of limited resources. I think you have pretty much ignored every valid point I've made Steven MacLean is not coming to fight for a place with Lafferty. Maclean is coming as a backup striker, because we need someone who is happy to sit on the bench and come on when needed as well as this, he will help as a mentor for younger players, because in case you'd missed this as well, Hearts are a club that promotes from within and focuses a lot on building up our younger players. We have one of the best youth systems in Scotland. why? because aside from football we have brilliant coaches who spend time coaching players. If Steven MacLean signs for us, I guarantee you it wont be the bar set for the standard of player. He is one of a many new faces, and is only here to fill in where needed. 9 goals a season for an SPL striker is above average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Scenes Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 34 minutes ago, Mr Rabbit said: Whilst it's not the worst news in the world it is quite underwhelming. We seem to have quite a few 'coaches' around already and with talk of Cowie and Hughes to join you wonder what they're all going to do. I get the experienced player helping the youngster philosophy however do we really need another striker to share advice when we have both Kirk and Daly, who have played at that level? Also feel that if they were going to go down this road they could have looked to hold back the announcement until we've made a few other signings. The fans are more riled up than usual so to announce McLean as our first signing seems to be a strange move... "announced" Who in Hearts announced Steven MacLean as our first signing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 why are we getting him, a bit too old surely, but talks are at an advanced state Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 1 minute ago, rudi must stay said: Hibs took a gamble on McGinn, McGeogh and they've come good. May not work but they may and there's no doubting their talent, and he's on a free. Would be delighted to acquire him, I bet he'd stroll some games at Tynecastle McGinn and McGeogh are much better players than Davidson will ever be. He is 30 now much older than the two Hibs players and not got any pace. He may be a squad player but I really would hope we sert our sights a bit higher than this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Scenes Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 20 minutes ago, wavydavy said: The guy is not even a regular starter for St Johnstone nowadays so has even less chance of playing for us. So is Levein saying that Lafferty can't pass any tips on to the youngsters or is he maybe getting punted in the summer as per the previous rumuor? Hardly, come on use your brain He is saying that as Lafferty is our main striker, how will he have the time to mentor younger folk? Guys like Hughes, don't feature as much and will probably not be doing as many training sessions. Likewise, MacLean is not stepping on Lafferty's toes by coming in to help mentor younger players. He has more experience than Lafferty therefore what's the issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 36 minutes ago, johnking123 said: People losing the plot because we are after an experienced squad player that will hardly play lol Perhaps they're concerned that it's a waste of money when, so we are told anyway, money is tight. A cry for ST money early doesnt appear to sit well with bringing in an "experienced squad player that will hardly play" LOL. As it happens, I'm sick of hearing about the need for mentors and coaches. Players are over-coached nowadays which is why academies produce ident-kit players that don't know how to play off the cuff. Give them the freedom to play without following the restrictive instructions of managers or coaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnking123 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 All for getting cover for striking position. If he helps our youth. Even better! I'm more interested in what players we get in for midfield. This is the position that needs attention and most of our cash on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsalldothebeattie Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Wants to start coaching as well. Seems we can offer him that unlike Saints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Mclean would be very underwhelming but lets not pretend Lafferty is injury prone. If signing Mclean could save some money up front and allow more to be invested in midfield, I don't really have an issue with it. Not every window allows managers to get their ideal choice, Mclean offers a bit of competition for Lafferty and someone who can close out games without needing to change how we're playing. Not likely to win cups with him leading the line but could do enough to keep Laff on his game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big man Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 The youth policy is going from strength to strength Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 36 on his next birthday. No thanks If that what we are looking at god help next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 ****ing hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie White Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 In the Connor Salmon league and completely underwhelming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, letsalldothebeattie said: Wants to start coaching as well. Seems we can offer him that unlike Saints I thought we were already going down that route with Hughes, Cowie & possibly Naismith?How many coaches do we need compared to creative midfielders for example? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Just now, big man said: The youth policy is going from strength to strength I'll bite. See you just can please everyone. Some saying we won at the weekend because we abandoned youth. If he starts 10 games I'd be very shocked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbojambo Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 I'm sure he was a Hearts supporter in his youth so should be another good guy who cares on board. A bit of a poacher too so something that we need Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, iainmac said: I thought we were already going down that route with Hughes, Cowie & possibly Naismith?How many coaches do we need compared to creative midfielders for example? We don't know who is staying yet Edited April 12, 2018 by Sir Gio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnking123 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Lol. Will do as a bit cover for a year or two. Our you strikers are not ready yet. But in a year or two. They will be ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Absolute Scenes said: Hardly, come on use your brain He is saying that as Lafferty is our main striker, how will he have the time to mentor younger folk? Guys like Hughes, don't feature as much and will probably not be doing as many training sessions. Likewise, MacLean is not stepping on Lafferty's toes by coming in to help mentor younger players. He has more experience than Lafferty therefore what's the issue? Have you watched Naismith during a game helping the younger players on the pitch? Don't see why Lafferty can't do that as well. It's not just about on the pitch though it's when they are training etc. The issue for me is that we have enough older players already and plenty of coaches to bring the young players on. We should be concentrating on getting in players that are going to be starting most games. We may well be doing that of course and it has just not been made public. I am just expressing my views that's all just like you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnking123 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Won't be on the wage the fish is on. Not even a third I would bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Just now, Sir Gio said: We don't who is staying yet It would appear CL does, otherwise why bother with this guy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 23 minutes ago, wavydavy said: The guy is not even a regular starter for St Johnstone nowadays so has even less chance of playing for us. So is Levein saying that Lafferty can't pass any tips on to the youngsters or is he maybe getting punted in the summer as per the previous rumuor? I wouldn't be at all surprised Davy, given the previous rumours. Reading about the late John Lambie signing players of dubious character because they tended to be winners contrasts with our apparent desire for squeaky clean mentored perfectionists. If the club don"t make every effort to retain Milinkovic and Lafferty in the summer, because they don't fit in with AB and CLs "code of behaviour" it will be a disgrace. Jumping the gun I know, but im sure others are thinking the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Scenes Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 1 minute ago, wavydavy said: Have you watched Naismith during a game helping the younger players on the pitch? Don't see why Lafferty can't do that as well. It's not just about on the pitch though it's when they are training etc. The issue for me is that we have enough older players already and plenty of coaches to bring the young players on. We should be concentrating on getting in players that are going to be starting most games. We may well be doing that of course and it has just not been made public. I am just expressing my views that's all just like you. yes I agree regarding players who we need to be in the first team...BUT the season isn't over and the window isn't open. Therefore no players can be borught in until this happens You and I have no idea that Levein could have already got these players lined up, ready to sign as soon as we are allowed to do so. Its knee jerk reactions like what has happened on here today that make this place utterly dreadful to be in. Hearts signing Steven MacLean should not affect anyones lives, but several on here are in a very questionable state regarding this. Its quite scary to watch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Enzo Chiefo said: I wouldn't be at all surprised Davy, given the previous rumours. Reading about the late John Lambie signing players of dubious character because they tended to be winners contrasts with our apparent desire for squeaky clean mentored perfectionists. If the club don"t make every effort to retain Milinkovic and Lafferty in the summer, because they don't fit in with AB and CLs "code of behaviour" it will be a disgrace. Jumping the gun I know, but im sure others are thinking the same. Be prepared for more shouting down Enzo just like me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, wavydavy said: McGinn and McGeogh are much better players than Davidson will ever be. He is 30 now much older than the two Hibs players and not got any pace. He may be a squad player but I really would hope we sert our sights a bit higher than this. I have watched football at Tynecastle a long time, and his performance last season, the 3-0 game is the best performance I've seen from a player in a long time. He was everywhere, he took the **** out of us, when he's feeling good he is a very tough guy to shift off the ball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said: Correct but even overseas fans are entitled to their opinion. It's just when you try to come across as a smart arse like he does when he isn't in attendance at some of the shite we have had to watch, it just sort of make you dismiss everything he says. I dismiss pretty much everything he says!! Slavering toilet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rabbit Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Absolute Scenes said: "announced" Who in Hearts announced Steven MacLean as our first signing? are we just ignoring everything else that i said then?! If this was just some rumour on twitter or facebook i wouldn't have used the word 'announced' however as nearly every journalist out there seems to think he's signing it seems like a matter of time. If you want to use that as a reason to ignore what else i've said go ahead but i just struggle to understand why this is such a good thing - maybe you can enlighten me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, iainmac said: It would appear CL does, otherwise why bother with this guy? I'm sure CL will. MacLean is an intelligent person and striker. I would have thought Daly might have been involved coaching strikers, I see this more of a Paul Gallacher style signing, emergencies only, pretty sure Liam Fox was on one as well. Robbo used to coach the strikers but nobody since? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnking123 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Lafferty is not a role model! But has done well for us. To much lad to be a role model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Ah, the old ‘leak the less glamorous names first, before bringing in the big guns’ routine, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sairyinthat Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 1 hour ago, mitch41 said: Levein is quoted as saying he wants Mclean as a mentor for our young strikers. Doesn't say much for Laff or Daly. Mixer. End off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Absolute Scenes said: yes I agree regarding players who we need to be in the first team...BUT the season isn't over and the window isn't open. Therefore no players can be borught in until this happens You and I have no idea that Levein could have already got these players lined up, ready to sign as soon as we are allowed to do so. Its knee jerk reactions like what has happened on here today that make this place utterly dreadful to be in. Hearts signing Steven MacLean should not affect anyones lives, but several on here are in a very questionable state regarding this. Its quite scary to watch If it upsets you so much then don't participate. It's only people airing their opinions on news about potential signings. I would prefer that we don't sign Maclean and Davidson and think we should be aiming a bit higher than those but if Craig Levein signs one or both then I will give those players my support and hope they do well in however many ganes they play. That is not a knee jerk reaction and I don's see how it is affecting anyone's life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1961 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 If he signs so be it If he doesnt't, well there you go Dont see the big deal TBH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, johnking123 said: Lafferty is not a role model! But has done well for us. To much lad to be a role model. Yes he like's the bookies too much a bit like his Manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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