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Yeah I'm thinking about it. A 34-year-old whose prior experience as a first-team coach or manager is......non-existent. Whose only coaching experience is with the Under-20s. That's the best option for us amid all the available managers out there. That's what you're telling me?

 

A patch of four results means absolutely sod all.

Sounds like Robbie.

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However in the interim while taking the piss they got us promoted as champions, back into Europe with a 3rd place finish got as high as 2nd in the league before or coach left unexpectedly and built a new stand...This season we've got 4 points from 3 tough away games and are yet to play at home and a new corporate model which along with the stand will secure the future.

 

 

Call the cops....

 

 

Congrats were deserved on the Championship season however you may not realize that was done and dusted nearly 30 months ago now. Since then we had an ok season with no Rangers nor Hibs in the SPL but lost to Hibs in the Scottish Cup gifting them a run to the final where they ended their long wait for the trophy and had a God awful season last year which got progressively worse. We lost to Birkirkara (who?) in Europe, St Johnstone in the LC and HIbs AGAIN in the Scottish This season we've been pumped out of the LC by Peterhead and Dunfermline ffs before sacking the guy who should have been fired months earlier and finding ourselves in a complete mess as the window nears closing. So yeah, early promise but absolutely hee haw of note anytime recently and a complete shambles currently.

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Oh you guys.... such a bunch of japesters.

 

Daly has stepped up to the mark. Factual statement. If this meant the job is his he would have it by now.

 

Does she confirm who she has interviewed or the list is limited to those mentioned by the press? No. so how the **** do any of you know who she has interviewed in addition to those mentioned by the press.

 

She has reminded all the Trump-like-hysteria-snowflake-flumps that she always said the club would take its time to make the right appointment.

 

She has confirmed when a decision will be made

 

She has confirmed there are no further issues with the main stand.

 

Anybody visiting this site reading this thread after reading that statement would wonder what the **** most of you were drinking or snorting.

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It's mental, you'd think we'd just been relegated n gone bust or something. We're doing well. A minor blip and some are losing their shit big time.

 

 

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Lol.

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You have to be having a laugh!!!!  "the lack of support and backing is disgraceful" hahahaha.

 

I have to agree with that.  With FOH's August contributions handed over to the club this week, the total "donated" to the club is now over ?6m since May 2014.  FOH should also have reached the ?2m mark towards the ?3m stand funding this month.

 

The one group who can't be criticised for their lack of support is the fans.

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You have to be having a laugh!!!! "the lack of support and backing is disgraceful" hahahaha.

 

THEY HAVE HAD NOTHING BUT SUPPORT AND BACKING...... brilliant season ticket sales, steady FoH subscriptions, allowed further time with their clearly failed Cathro experiment, successive years cup defeats by Hibs one of which saw them win the damn thing and yet neither head coach binned, the Euro shambles last season whitewashed, the dire Peterhead/Dunfermline performances this summer which again they then get away with by firing the guy who should have been gone months before. And now here we are into the season, no Head Coach in place, a totally inadequate squad representing us and talk of "new 3 year (*******) plans". And still some being played by them. Unbelievable.

 

If this was in another country they would need Police escorts to get in and out of Tynecastle nevermind "lack of support and backing". They are taking the absolute piss.

Like I said....

 

This is the first tough period and folk are losing their shit.

 

Brainless.

 

 

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Lol.

Bigger picture mate, try it. Maybe go and have a wee cup of tea and relax a bit. It's going to be ok :)

 

 

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I have to agree with that.  With FOH's August contributions handed over to the club this week, the total "donated" to the club is now over ?6m since May 2014.  FOH should also have reached the ?2m mark towards the ?3m stand funding this month.

 

The one group who can't be criticised for their lack of support is the fans.

 

 

Amazing stat. And yet people are calling out the Hearts support for lack of "backing". Unbelievable. 

 

Its about time we were backed and given something tangible to get behind. A new manager and some decent players would be a start.

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A nothing statement to state diddly squat to satisfy the voracious appetite for statements of the 'geez a statement noo' club. The irony being that the superfluous statement of nothingness will be criticised for it's lack of details by the same people.

I propose that, in future, the fans should decide what we are told and when we are told it, as well as deciding when and when not to tell ourselves nothing.

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A nothing statement to state diddly squat to satisfy the voracious appetite for statements of the 'geez a statement noo' club. The irony being that the superfluous statement of nothingness will be criticised for it's lack of details by the same people.

 

I propose that, in future, the fans should decide what we are told and when we are told it, as well as deciding when and when not to tell ourselves nothing.

I agree.

Now that McLaren, Freedman, & Davies are out, they have no one.

She had to make a statement & as you say it contained nothing to reassure us that they have anyone in mind, therefore it is a time buying exercise in the hope of pulling a rabbit out of the hat within the next week & making it look like they took their time to get the right man.

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Congrats were deserved on the Championship season however you may not realize that was done and dusted nearly 30 months ago now. Since then we had an ok season with no Rangers nor Hibs in the SPL but lost to Hibs in the Scottish Cup gifting them a run to the final where they ended their log wait for the trophy and had a God awful season last year which got progressively worse. We lost to Birkirkara (who?) in Europe, St Johnstone in the LC and HIbs AGAIN in the Scottish This season we've been pumped out of the LC by Peterhead and Dunfermline ffs before sacking the guy who should have been fired months earlier and finding ourselves in a complete mess as the window nears closing. So yeah, early promise but absolutely hee haw of note anytime recently and a complete shambles currently.

Hee haw of note...right you are then. See in a couple of years when the club is able to compete in all competitions challenge for honours and you're looking at our lovely new stand maybe you'll think about these piss takers a bit more.

 

You and several others should speak to some Celtic fans who tried to hound out Fergus McCann as he rebuilt that club...

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Lol.

I suggest you dip into the last 100 years of history. The current regime haven't done too badly in comparison. Maybe not remarkable, but hardly worthy of scorn.

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I have to agree with that. With FOH's August contributions handed over to the club this week, the total "donated" to the club is now over ?6m since May 2014. FOH should also have reached the ?2m mark towards the ?3m stand funding this month.

 

The one group who can't be criticised for their lack of support is the fans.

Financially the fans have backed the club....that will never ever be questioned.

 

But going through the various threads on here the support for various members of the board, coaching staff as well as players....

 

Well......there is plenty to criticise.

 

This is a tough time on and off the pitch but there are some willing to have a go at the club based on speculation and theories.

 

 

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I have seen little of these supposed qualities he has.

 

All this stiff about him being an expert at reading an analysing the opposition, only for is to fail to do so in the vast majority of games, including lower league and part time sides. Meantime, they read and analysed us perfectly.

That had more to do with the guy implementing the plan to stop them.. The players were confused at the most basic instruction

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A nothing statement to state diddly squat to satisfy the voracious appetite for statements of the 'geez a statement noo' club. The irony being that the superfluous statement of nothingness will be criticised for it's lack of details by the same people.

 

I propose that, in future, the fans should decide what we are told and when we are told it, as well as deciding when and when not to tell ourselves nothing.

Your really not helping the situation.

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A sober reflection from our owner.

 

 

Hope she doesn't ever look at this site.

 

Me neither. It's rammed with Hibs wums and mind cripples.

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Like I said....

 

This is the first tough period and folk are losing their shit.

 

Brainless.

 

 

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Its not the first tough period at all. As I detailed in my post there is a long list of horrendous results and low points. And there is a downward curve that is evident to anyone actually watching without maroon tinted specs on. This mess over a Head Coach appointment is the latest in a long line of situations that are totally self inflicted by Levein and Budge from a football perspective. And now speculation gathers pace that we are going to go with Daly or Levein or some combination of that. After Budge's very clear statement of 3 weeks ago........she will be rightly criticized massively if thats the road she chooses.

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Your really not helping the situation.

TBF, there are plenty of other posts that are far less helpful than Victorian's!

 

Ultimately, it doesn't really matter what you or I or anyone else thinks, speculates etc etc.

 

It's Budge's call at the end of the day. Once that's made, let the venting of spleens commence!

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Begging people to come whilst dangling us on a string

 

 

Yeah bring your family and friends along to watch our totally inadequate team with a novice coach in charge. Bring them along as we are skint because of our abysmal signing policy and having to pay off diddies like Oshinawa and Cathro. Bring them along because we have a financial shortfall in the development of our new stand and because some incompetent dickhead failed to order the seats on time. You honestly couldn't make it up. The irony is if they showed any ambition, some imagination and appointed a proper manager who was allowed to get some players in they would attract thousands more along but nah they think we all zip up the back and its all about us giving to the club with nothing in return. Pathetic.

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Begging people to come whilst dangling us on a string

Given we are playing games at Murrayfield, don't you think it is informative that details of ticketing, hospitality etc are going to be announced soon?

 

If we were playing at Tynecastle would the usual advertising of such things be seen as begging?

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Its not the first tough period at all. As I detailed in my post there is a long list of horrendous results and low points. And there is a downward curve that is evident to anyone actually watching without maroon tinted specs on. This mess over a Head Coach appointment is the latest in a long line of situations that are totally self inflicted by Levein and Budge from a football perspective. And now speculation gathers pace that we are going to go with Daly or Levein or some combination of that. After Budge's very clear statement of 3 weeks ago........she will be rightly criticized massively if thats the road she chooses.

What mess over the head coach....break it down to us without 'speculation'.

 

This downward curve did that sstar when the head coach left and they appointed a highly regarded coach as a replacement which didn't work. Show me one club where there managerial appoints have worked everytime. You maybe need to put on the maroon tinted specs for a while and have a think about what Ann Budge has done for this club.

 

If you want speculation..I speculate that you can't get over losing to Hibs it's filled you with irrational anger at the wrong people!

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Yeah bring your family and friends along to watch our totally inadequate team with a novice coach in charge. Bring them along as we are skint because of our abysmal signing policy and having to pay off diddies like Oshinawa and Cathro. Bring them along because we have a financial shortfall in the development of our new stand and because some incompetent dickhead failed to order the seats on time. You honestly couldn't make it up. The irony is if they showed any ambition, some imagination and appointed a proper manager who was allowed to get some players in they would attract thousands more along but nah they think we all zip up the back and its all about us giving to the club with nothing in return. Pathetic.

So you won't be going to the Murrayfield games then?

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Just as I thought. If we win on Saturday Daly gets the job and is just another in a long line of Levein puppets.

All the while they debate our high calibre of applicants we have a squad that is nowhere near good enough to challenge at the top end of the league.

I'm sorry but it's just not good enough and after all the backing we have all gave the club over the last few years I think we deserved to be backed with an experienced manager and some proven players that can challenge at the top end of this league.

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Another subtle request in the last paragraph for more money from the fans!

I read it as a pointer that we risk having a lot of empty seats in Murrayfield, so get yer pals along...I'd be worried if her statement omitted to say this TBH

 

I'm just waiting for someone to say that since Ann took ultimate responsibility for someone's seat ordering c0ckup she should cover the cost of that herself. You know it is only a matter of time... ;-)

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Yeah bring your family and friends along to watch our totally inadequate team with a novice coach in charge. Bring them along as we are skint because of our abysmal signing policy and having to pay off diddies like Oshinawa and Cathro. Bring them along because we have a financial shortfall in the development of our new stand and because some incompetent dickhead failed to order the seats on time. You honestly couldn't make it up. The irony is if they showed any ambition, some imagination and appointed a proper manager who was allowed to get some players in they would attract thousands more along but nah they think we all zip up the back and its all about us giving to the club with nothing in return. Pathetic.

You're beyond help chief. I think you should take a break for a while.

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Hearts can't control what the media and unemployed managers say about us in the press.

 

As Daly, Elvis and Hartley are all out of work and/or can be employed as our head coach straightaway I'll make a confident prediction.

 

None of them will be our new manager.

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Just as I thought. If we win on Saturday Daly gets the job and is just another in a long line of Levein puppets.

All the while they debate our high calibre of applicants we have a squad that is nowhere near good enough to challenge at the top end of the league.

I'm sorry but it's just not good enough and after all the backing we have all gave the club over the last few years I think we deserved to be backed with an experienced manager and some proven players that can challenge at the top end of this league.

Sorry man they chopped the money tree down when they built the new stand....and bought us 3 international footballers in the summer.

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So what DO you want? We're only building the one stand so a repeat is not an issue...I'm guessing the seats have now been ordered - that would be a "biggie"... if we've been too busy releasing statements and clarifications of statements, and, Doh! forgotten to order the seats again!  Are you seeking a statement from Ann that all seat ordering will now be the responsibility of someone on the Board? With maybe a special seat ordering protocol with graded levels of sign-off based on numbers of seats?  Or Hearts will retain a specialist seat-buying consultant? 

 

The process of these statements is that someone will draft it, someone will edit it to make it bland as hell, and someone will publish it on the website.

There are 8 months or so of the project to go so I disagree that "a repeat is not an issue". As for the statement "I recognise the failure to "process" the order for the seats was not "beyond our control" as I originally told you. It represented a basic failure of the management and control of the project, for which I have admitted responsibility. Appropriate changes have been made to the management and control of the project to ensure it doesn't happen again in the remaining 8 months of the project". Cue - praise for the open-ness and honesty we had come to expect. Maybe add a wee update on the cost over-run, the funding gap and the plan for bridging the funding gap.
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What mess over the head coach....break it down to us without 'speculation'.

 

This downward curve did that sstar when the head coach left and they appointed a highly regarded coach as a replacement which didn't work. Show me one club where there managerial appoints have worked everytime. You maybe need to put on the maroon tinted specs for a while and have a think about what Ann Budge has done for this club.

 

If you want speculation..I speculate that you can't get over losing to Hibs it's filled you with irrational anger at the wrong people!

 

 

Ann Budge has had massive praise from me for off field work. Try again. 

 

I'm pissed off at the Hearts support being shat on. Because make no mistake that is what is happening. Fair play to you if you have a greater resistance to watching as these events play out but I called the Cathro demise months ago and yet they stood by him. Its unbelievable to me that they would not have discussed and planned for his successor and yet here we are fannying about, season well under way, out the LC early AGAIN and issuing statements which say nothing. As I say fair play to those who still trust the people in charge of the football side of the club to make good decisions but the recent evidence in terms of appointments and signings is stacked against them. Results in 'big' games are also woeful.

 

I'll continue to say it like I see it and given the enormous backing detailed elsewhere on the board (6 million donated since May 2014 I believe over and above ST monies)  I believe the Hearts support deserve a hell of a lot better than we are getting. Where is the ambition, where is the imagination, where are the "many experienced coaches that are interested in working with our club"?  

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Financially the fans have backed the club....that will never ever be questioned.

 

But going through the various threads on here the support for various members of the board, coaching staff as well as players....

 

Well......there is plenty to criticise.

 

This is a tough time on and off the pitch but there are some willing to have a go at the club based on speculation and theories.

 

 

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Speculation and theories the club can quash at any time, They choose not too! 

 

The board are totally out of touch with the fans and an appointment of Daly/Pressley will confirm this. Disgraceful.

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Has it?

In my opinion yes, we are to find out next week who the head coach is. The wording of the statement was in the past tense as though the process was complete/almost there. "We did receive and we have conducted" etc maybe I'm reading into it too much!

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So we lost to Celtic. They appoint a new coach in the preceding 3 games away from home he picks up 7 points...is that still a big joke? Think about it...

Hold the fort, you just said he's coming from another club.

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Clearly maybe.

Yer right Dave. Its probably definate that perhaps the decision could maybe happen. Its nearly obvious.
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Well this is new even by JKB standards. Going mental BEFORE a manager is announced. I worry about some folks blood pressure but then remember I wouldn't miss em if they exploded

 

 

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Looking it from a communications perspective only what she's said is

 

1. A further announcement about the Head Coach appointment will be made next week. Not an appointment an announcement.

2. She is still looking at the overall structure of the football department. This will include overall responsibilities that today are all held by Craig Levein.

 

My own conclusions are

1. It's very unlikely Daly will get the job. He's got us better organised and harder to beat which suits us fine as we're playing away from Tynecastle for the next 6 weeks. But he won't be in the hot seat on a permanent basis.

2. Levein's role and future responsibilities are under the spotlight and IMO likely to change, if he chooses to stay. If Ann was perfectly happy with him carrying on as he's done to date she'd have said so and Daly would have been confirmed already.

3. I think Levein will be gone by the start of next season and I still see Michael O'Neill coming in at some point.

 

 

Regarding point 2. when Ian Cathro was relieved of his position we were told that Ann was looking for a replacement who was experienced in the position. With Davies out of the running now as well (if he was ever in the running in the 1st place) it leaves Steven Pressley, Paul Hartley and Jon Daly, possibly 1/2 more we don't know about.. Although the first two both provided great service to HMFC as players I just don't think either really have the level of experience we are looknig for in manager. And while Jon has picked up 4 points from the opening 3 fixtures he has even less experience than the other two. Point 3, I agree, I suspect that Craig may well not be with the club as DoF much longer, especially if the correct person is eventually appointed as manager. Like you, I'm not counting out Michael O'Neill yet, although accept it could well be a date in November before he can officially take up his role (think Northern Ireland's group games conclude October, and if they obtain a play off place that will take place in November). I also think that if the correct man is put in place to manage the team it does to a large extent really remove the need for a DoF as a form of overseer. Craig may not leave the club, he may be given a different role ( I believe some people think he has had a lot of input into the academy successfully, he may well step into a position where, for example, John Murray could be release instead, I'm still not sure what he actually offers at the moment). I do feel that on the football side a manager will want to view it differently from at present and that in itself could create tension if the DoF is still in place, and the last thing we want is those sort of tensions going forward.

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Just as I thought. If we win on Saturday Daly gets the job and is just another in a long line of Levein puppets.

All the while they debate our high calibre of applicants we have a squad that is nowhere near good enough to challenge at the top end of the league.

I'm sorry but it's just not good enough and after all the backing we have all gave the club over the last few years I think we deserved to be backed with an experienced manager and some proven players that can challenge at the top end of this league.

Is two people a long line? If I was third from the front in a long line id be quite happy!

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You're beyond help chief. I think you should take a break for a while.

 

 

No chance. Just because you are prepared to continue to watch the Hearts support get used doesn't mean everyone has to. I'll continue to call out those who are failing to do what is in the best interests of the football side of our club. This latest mess is very much in keeping with recent times and its totally unacceptable. Budge's statement was very carefully worded today, much less blas? and upbeat than that of a couple of weeks ago. We will find out next week if she has completely misled the Hearts support.

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Me neither. It's rammed with Hibs wums and mind cripples.

once again everyone is a hibs fan or is banned when making obvious observations around things that fans are concerned with. Laughable
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Given we are playing games at Murrayfield, don't you think it is informative that details of ticketing, hospitality etc are going to be announced soon?

 

If we were playing at Tynecastle would the usual advertising of such things be seen as begging?

If she had told us details of ticketing, hospitality etc are not going to be announced soon that would have been news or "informative".

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Speculation and theories the club can quash at any time, They choose not too!

 

The board are totally out of touch with the fans and an appointment of Daly/Pressley will confirm this. Disgraceful.

Whoever the new manager/head coach is needs to be judged on his results and not his name.

 

A big name...an experienced name, is no guarantee of success either.

 

I could give you a list of dozens of very experienced managers who've failed miserably in jobs.

 

I said Neilson was a terrible choice....so did many others. We were wrong.

 

Many said Cathro was an inspired choice...an exciting prospect. It clearly didn't work out.

 

Give the new guy a fair chance and if it doesn't work out then vent your anger.

 

 

 

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If she had told us details of ticketing, hospitality etc are not going to be announced soon that would have been news or "informative".

Yes, news because no doubt some folk would be saying what is going on!

 

Despite the managerial search, player search (hopefully!), the business is still running so these things need announced.

 

Or better to say nothing and then be accused of being shambolic in arranging the Murrayfield games?

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Hold the fort, you just said he's coming from another club.

No I didn't I gave you a potential reason why if he was it hadn't be announced by both clubs.

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