davemclaren Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 So basically, no-one posting here has any insight about what may actually happen re the head coach. You have to admire the way Tynecastle is locked down these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deek Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 If the candidate hasnt been selected and wont be in position until next week then he will have little chance of adding players of his choosing to the squad. Unless he does already know and is working in the background to pick up players........but Mrs Budge wouldnt hide that from us would she? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvery_Moon Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 This is an absolute shambles and shows how out her depth she, the board and Craig Levein are at running the football side of the business. This is the most important part of the season to have a manager in place and yet we'll be into week 4 still no further forwards. Good candidates keep ruling themselves out and as Billy Davies has said we have no interest in changing our, in my opinion very flawed operating model. It's disgraceful it's carried on this long and even more disappointing the current standard of candidate we're left with. It's clear footballing success is nowhere near top of the priority list which is shameful in itself. It's an absolute shambles. It's bad enough that Cathro wasn't emptied before the summer but we are making a total pigs ear of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 So we lost to Celtic. They appoint a new coach in the preceding 3 games away from home he picks up 7 points...is that still a big joke? Think about it... Yeah I'm thinking about it. A 34-year-old whose prior experience as a first-team coach or manager is......non-existent. Whose only coaching experience is with the Under-20s. That's the best option for us amid all the available managers out there. That's what you're telling me? A patch of four results means absolutely sod all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 If the candidate hasnt been selected and wont be in position until next week then he will have little chance of adding players of his choosing to the squad. Unless he does already know and is working in the background to pick up players........but Mrs Budge wouldnt hide that from us would she? Could the preferred candidate already be in a job and has to negotiate himself out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Yeah I'm thinking about it. A 34-year-old whose prior experience as a first-team coach or manager is......non-existent. Whose only coaching experience is with the Under-20s. That's the best option for us amid all the available managers out there. That's what you're telling me? A patch of four results means absolutely sod all. Cathro might disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Cathro might disagree. Cathro was more experienced and ready for the job than Daly it could be argued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deek Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Could the preferred candidate already be in a job and has to negotiate himself out? Aye maybe Dave, you thinking out the box again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Yeah I'm thinking about it. A 34-year-old whose prior experience as a first-team coach or manager is......non-existent. Whose only coaching experience is with the Under-20s. That's the best option for us amid all the available managers out there. That's what you're telling me? A patch of four results means absolutely sod all. TBH Experience is no guarantee of success. It just reduces the risk of failure or protects the next person up the chain from getting all the blame... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Aye maybe Dave, you thinking out the box again! If only. Just speculating...like everyone else it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxteth O'Grady Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 If she wants to change the management structure she could make Levein be DOF and football manager - give him enough rope to hang himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 If we dont replace Gardner and we appoint Daly will that free up money to buy a decent player or two before the window shuts? I expect not. I think we are saving money due to cost overruns on the stand and would welcome 600k or so for Walker. I'm relaxed about all that. Plenty good players to be competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Ramsay Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 This is an absolute shambles and shows how out her depth she, the board and Craig Levein are at running the football side of the business. This is the most important part of the season to have a manager in place and yet we'll be into week 4 still no further forwards. Good candidates keep ruling themselves out and as Billy Davies has said we have no interest in changing our, in my opinion very flawed operating model. It's disgraceful it's carried on this long and even more disappointing the current standard of candidate we're left with. It's clear footballing success is nowhere near top of the priority list which is shameful in itself. Have to agree. This is beyond embarrassing now. We are crying out for a strong central midfield player and a winger too given the Walker farce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 You'll not be happy until the "culprit " is named and shamed. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I have NEVER been witch hunting. My concern has ALWAYS been that the seats fiasco was NOT down to one person just "making a mistake" of the sort that "can always happen" (or something "beyond our control" as Ann first claimed). It was failure to put in place simple project management and control that should ensure that a mistake on the critical path is spotted and corrected before it has a serious impact. Ann's statements since have offered no assurance that anything has been done about this process failure. I assume it has but I would still like her to say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 The statement actually tells you very little, and probably not worth the time or effort making it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Yeah I'm thinking about it. A 34-year-old whose prior experience as a first-team coach or manager is......non-existent. Whose only coaching experience is with the Under-20s. That's the best option for us amid all the available managers out there. That's what you're telling me? A patch of four results means absolutely sod all. If he gets 7 points from 3 away games and saves us 300k. Then maybe he is yes. If the 300k goes on a keeper and two decent players then even better. Neilson was hardly a highly experienced coach and he managed to get us promoted 3rd and left us in 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford donald Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 So basically, no-one posting here has any insight about what may actually happen re the head coach. You have to admire the way Tynecastle is locked down these days. It could be that the candidate is coming from another club,hence the delay.Hartley,Pressley or Daly would already have been appointed,otherwise what would be the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ1984 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Surely Macphee is better than Daly?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudi Hates Hibees Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 **** it. Will someone just concentrate on getting us players then instead. Don't care anymore. Yip, pretty much where I'm at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ1984 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 It could be that the candidate is coming from another club,hence the delay.Hartley,Pressley or Daly would already have been appointed,otherwise what would be the point? Another club would have confirmed an approach and accepted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 It could be that the candidate is coming from another club,hence the delay.Hartley,Pressley or Daly would already have been appointed,otherwise what would be the point? Quiet now...The shambles mob don't like the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 It could be that the candidate is coming from another club,hence the delay.Hartley,Pressley or Daly would already have been appointed,otherwise what would be the point? You would have thought so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on&up2017 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 It's clear footballing success is nowhere near top of the priority list which is shameful in itself. Could this be to do with the fact Ann is a business woman, not a football person - a BIG difference when it comes to successfully prioritising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkishcap Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Don't know how to read into this but maybe not as clear cut as some here think, anyway we need 3 points this week so come Saturday let's give the guys a great backing, hoping to make one match before end of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Another club would have confirmed an approach and accepted it. Aye that's what they'd do...3 days before a league match. Maybe out of respect both teams agreed not to go public. With an international break coming up.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 In that case Billy Davies will be raging because he's already said he's not interested because things will stay the same basically and he's not interested in becoming Ian Cathro or Neilson. I'm quite happy if Billy Davies is raging and don't really care why but I am quite confident that the reason he didn't get the gig was because the club weren't prepared to go to the wall again to fund his 'ambition'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Another appeal for more cash...ever get the feeling you've been cheated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 I'm quite happy if Billy Davies is raging and don't really care why but I am quite confident that the reason he didn't get the gig was because the club weren't prepared to go to the wall again to fund his 'ambition'. Shows what a bitter little fud he is...not sure why we even gave him the time of day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 This is without doubt the first real tough period the current regime have faced since taking over....and I have to say the lack of support and backing is disgraceful. AB and CL will be judged on the name of the next appointment when in actual fact they should be judged on the success of the incoming. We have become a support so full of angry, moaning and horribly abusive people. I really don't understand it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamdub Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Another appeal for more cash...ever get the feeling you've been cheated Have a wee lie doon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Another appeal for more cash...ever get the feeling you've been cheated No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All roads lead to Gorgie Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Why should he? Motherwell and Killie are shite. Rangers got horsed off Hibs and we got papped off Celtic. It's not a Derby or Aberdeen it's shitey Motherwell. Exactly this. Done OK yes but brilliantly is a bit too strong after one win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Another appeal for more cash...ever get the feeling you've been cheated Not since Dens Park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 If she is looking at the football structure I hope she's focussing on scouting. The head coach carry on wouldn't be anywhere near as big a problem if the recruitment since summer 2015 hadn't been 90% garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendoll Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 This is without doubt the first real tough period the current regime have faced since taking over....and I have to say the lack of support and backing is disgraceful. AB and CL will be judged on the name of the next appointment when in actual fact they should be judged on the success of the incoming. We have become a support so full of angry, moaning and horribly abusive people. I really don't understand it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Good post. Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Surely Macphee is better than Daly??I have seen little of these supposed qualities he has. All this stiff about him being an expert at reading an analysing the opposition, only for is to fail to do so in the vast majority of games, including lower league and part time sides. Meantime, they read and analysed us perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4jambos Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Don't believe it's a manager from another club, that would mean us paying compensation. Anne Budge needs to get a move on if we the fans could see Cathro was useless as a manager and could not motivate players, he should have been sacked before the season started giving a new manager time to bring in much needed players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 A nothing statement to state diddly squat to satisfy the voracious appetite for statements of the 'geez a statement noo' club. The irony being that the superfluous statement of nothingness will be criticised for it's lack of details by the same people. I propose that, in future, the fans should decide what we are told and when we are told it, as well as deciding when and when not to tell ourselves nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 No Another vacuous response Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendricks Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 This is without doubt the first real tough period the current regime have faced since taking over....and I have to say the lack of support and backing is disgraceful. AB and CL will be judged on the name of the next appointment when in actual fact they should be judged on the success of the incoming. We have become a support so full of angry, moaning and horribly abusive people. I really don't understand it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk You have to be having a laugh!!!! "the lack of support and backing is disgraceful" hahahaha. THEY HAVE HAD NOTHING BUT SUPPORT AND BACKING...... brilliant season ticket sales, steady FoH subscriptions, allowed further time with their clearly failed Cathro experiment, successive years cup defeats by Hibs one of which saw them win the damn thing and yet neither head coach binned, the Euro shambles last season whitewashed, the dire Peterhead/Dunfermline performances this summer which again they then get away with by firing the guy who should have been gone months before. And now here we are into the season, no Head Coach in place, a totally inadequate squad representing us and talk of "new 3 year (****ing) plans". And still some being played by them. Unbelievable. If this was in another country they would need Police escorts to get in and out of Tynecastle nevermind "lack of support and backing". They are taking the absolute piss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Another vacuous response You asked the question. You got an answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyJenkins Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 You have to be having a laugh!!!! "the lack of support and backing is disgraceful" hahahaha. THEY HAVE HAD NOTHING BUT SUPPORT AND BACKING...... brilliant season ticket sales, steady FoH subscriptions, allowed further time with their clearly failed Cathro experiment, successive years cup defeats by Hibs one of which saw them win the damn thing and yet neither head coach binned, the Euro shambles last season whitewashed, the dire Peterhead/Dunfermline performances this summer which again they then get away with by firing the guy who should have been gone months before. And now here we are into the season, no Head Coach in place, a totally inadequate squad representing us and talk of "new 3 year (*******) plans". And still some being played by them. Unbelievable. If this was in another country they would need Police escorts to get in and out of Tynecastle nevermind "lack of support and backing". They are taking the absolute piss. Police escorts? Lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 TBH Experience is no guarantee of success. It just reduces the risk of failure or protects the next person up the chain from getting all the blame... yip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts_fan Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Church newsletter type statement imo Happy to say I haven't had the 'pleasure' of such a thing, but I take it what you've said is not a compliment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 This is without doubt the first real tough period the current regime have faced since taking over....and I have to say the lack of support and backing is disgraceful. AB and CL will be judged on the name of the next appointment when in actual fact they should be judged on the success of the incoming. We have become a support so full of angry, moaning and horribly abusive people. I really don't understand it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk It has came to this, but it is small minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 You have to be having a laugh!!!! "the lack of support and backing is disgraceful" hahahaha. THEY HAVE HAD NOTHING BUT SUPPORT AND BACKING...... brilliant season ticket sales, steady FoH subscriptions, allowed further time with their clearly failed Cathro experiment, successive years cup defeats by Hibs one of which saw them win the damn thing and yet neither head coach binned, the Euro shambles last season whitewashed, the dire Peterhead/Dunfermline performances this summer which again they then get away with by firing the guy who should have been gone months before. And now here we are into the season, no Head Coach in place, a totally inadequate squad representing us and talk of "new 3 year (*******) plans". And still some being played by them. Unbelievable. If this was in another country they would need Police escorts to get in and out of Tynecastle nevermind "lack of support and backing". They are taking the absolute piss. However in the interim while taking the piss they got us promoted as champions, back into Europe with a 3rd place finish got as high as 2nd in the league before or coach left unexpectedly and built a new stand...This season we've got 4 points from 3 tough away games and are yet to play at home and a new corporate model which along with the stand will secure the future. Call the cops.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 I have NEVER been witch hunting. My concern has ALWAYS been that the seats fiasco was NOT down to one person just "making a mistake" of the sort that "can always happen" (or something "beyond our control" as Ann first claimed). It was failure to put in place simple project management and control that should ensure that a mistake on the critical path is spotted and corrected before it has a serious impact. Ann's statements since have offered no assurance that anything has been done about this process failure. I assume it has but I would still like her to say so. So what DO you want? We're only building the one stand so a repeat is not an issue...I'm guessing the seats have now been ordered - that would be a "biggie"... if we've been too busy releasing statements and clarifications of statements, and, Doh! forgotten to order the seats again! Are you seeking a statement from Ann that all seat ordering will now be the responsibility of someone on the Board? With maybe a special seat ordering protocol with graded levels of sign-off based on numbers of seats? Or Hearts will retain a specialist seat-buying consultant? The process of these statements is that someone will draft it, someone will edit it to make it bland as hell, and someone will publish it on the website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 I'm beginning to get the impression that money is tight with the stand overrun and late opening and that is beginning to impact on the playing side. Ann has shied away from saying anything about money matters in the last two statements. However, the accounts could be out withing the next couple of months, so we might get a better idea then. Delays in recruiting a new manger Delays in recruiting players Suggestions of change to the management structure No significant funds from Paterson leaving No funds from Nicholson leaving No takers for Walker or Djoum as yet Senior players going out on loan (L Smith, Sammon, Todorov) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyK82 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 This Yeah - it doesn't say anything. She appears to be keeping her cards close to her chest. He's stepped up 'admirably'. He has to an extent. Does this mean he was one of the high Calibre interviewees? The bookies have not had a scooby throughout this whole process simply reaffirming the likelihood the permanent appointment whoever it is next week may well be a surprise. I know there has been no official club statement confirming the next appointment will have experience (has there?) from memory this came from an article in the evening news. This is the initial update a few weeks ago: Since the announcement that Ian has moved on, we have been swamped by applications to take over his role. It is heartening that so many experienced coaches are keen to join our club and speaks volumes for the respect that the club, and our football operation in particular, has earned over recent times. We are in the very fortunate position of having an extremely strong football management team in place, with a Director of Football, an Assistant Head Coach and a team of first class coaches, able and willing to hold the fort. This being so, we have the luxury of time to ensure we make the right decision for the club going forward. It certainly highlights experienced mangers applied but stops short of confirming that will 100% be the clubs next step - surely so though? This is the 3rd biggest club in Scotland. It brings with it huge pressure and demand from the loyal support. As such, the man leading the first team must be able to handle all the job entails. Daly in my opinion is far short of the requisite experience. Maybe one day. In the meantime, I hope the board make a sensible yet uplifting appointment. Someone who can take this team to a level which we know they can get to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyJenkins Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 However in the interim while taking the piss they got us promoted as champions, back into Europe with a 3rd place finish got as high as 2nd in the league before or coach left unexpectedly and built a new stand...This season we've got 4 points from 3 tough away games and are yet to play at home and a new corporate model which along with the stand will secure the future. Call the cops.... It's mental, you'd think we'd just been relegated n gone bust or something. We're doing well. A minor blip and some are losing their shit big time. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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