Section Q Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Well done mate One problem with selling the Rangers game for example now as on open sales that that seat then wouldn't be available as a season ticket so we might put off potential ST buyers if there are limited poor positioned seats available Cat B would also have the chance to buy their seat if that was the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrod Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 The sensible thing to do is to give the uglies and Hibs the whole Roseburn , as much as it is a pain , for the first round of fixtures , then take stock after that . Hopefully given time and progress we can cut them back to a smaller allocation. Maximizing revenue streams is the order of the day at the moment , if we can sel out the Roseburn to away fans and it looks unlikely we can with home fans then , in the meantime, it's got to be done I'm afraid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Hearts Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 I see 18,000 averages at tynecastle and 16,500 plus at easter road....the largest Edinburgh turnouts since 1980s... Don't think we came near 18,000 averages during the 80s - think you have to go back to 60/61 for anything over 17,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucille's Thirsty Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 You're deluded of you think hibs won't cut our allocation if we do the same, which we'll not anyway. Agreed. Vermin are spiteful inbreds. Tit for tat with those mutants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Slow day today with only 6 STs sold. 2261 dots remaining. Estimated sales 13,261. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 The sensible thing to do is to give the uglies and Hibs the whole Roseburn , as much as it is a pain , for the first round of fixtures , then take stock after that . Hopefully given time and progress we can cut them back to a smaller allocation. Maximizing revenue streams is the order of the day at the moment , if we can sel out the Roseburn to away fans and it looks unlikely we can with home fans then , in the meantime, it's got to be done I'm afraid Would you change your opinion if the Dons match on September 9th sold out. After all Aberdeen are only getting two sections. The logic being if we can sell out or within a thousand or so to a non OF team who are only getting two sections why should we give the OF seats Hearts fans could use. I think you have your thinking the wrong way round surely we should be using the actual attendances at the early season matches as the benchmark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norrie1952 Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Would you change your opinion if the Dons match on September 9th sold out. After all Aberdeen are only getting two sections. The logic being if we can sell out or within a thousand or so to a non OF team who are only getting two sections why should we give the OF seats Hearts fans could use. I think you have your thinking the wrong way round surely we should be using the actual attendances at the early season matches as the benchmark. I don't know much about finances ,but I don't want them in Tynie.I don't mind normal supporters not he OF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrod Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Would you change your opinion if the Dons match on September 9th sold out. After all Aberdeen are only getting two sections. The logic being if we can sell out or within a thousand or so to a non OF team who are only getting two sections why should we give the OF seats Hearts fans could use. I think you have your thinking the wrong way round surely we should be using the actual attendances at the early season matches as the benchmark. Don't think you can use the Aberdeen game as a true barometer as it's likely to be the first home league game and the opening of the new stand . A lot of people would be more likely to get tickets for that reason and a lot of people just don't like the poisonous atmosphere of the old firm games . I certainly think we would sell out the derby . That said if we start the league campaign well we may be able to sell out both old firm games , Although I hate the thought of the old firm Getting the whole Roseburn, if Ann decides it's the best way to maximize revenue it's got to be done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weekend offender Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Don't think we came near 18,000 averages during the 80s - think you have to go back to 60/61 for anything over 17,000. 86 we would have averaged over 20.000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejbh Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 How it looks tonight Looking at this picture, if we give Old firm/hibs the whole Roseburn then there will be very few general sale tickets left which is not very fair I don't think. Surely for games against these teams we can sell 2-3000 tickets to non-season tickets holders, or however many would be available? I think we have to maximise our home advantage, especially given how intimidating Tynecastle will be with the new stand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley_ Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 86 we would have averaged over 20.000 There's an old chart on here from LondonHearts of average attendances: http://www.londonhearts.com/charts/averagel.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GavK1012 Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 86 we would have averaged over 20.000 "Pay attention at the back......" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Aye, Celtic only beat us twice scoring 7 goals last season. Masterstroke. You never know, might have been 17 if they had the full end..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hueyview Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Don't think we came near 18,000 averages during the 80s - think you have to go back to 60/61 for anything over 17,000.If true my error... Memory plays tricks... Back in the day season tickets were not the norm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Hearts Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 86 we would have averaged over 20.000 85-86 we averaged 16,198 87-88 was 16,633 - these were the highest figures of the 80s 64-65 we managed 16,682 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireeagle51 Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Looking at this picture, if we give Old firm/hibs the whole Roseburn then there will be very few general sale tickets left which is not very fair I don't think. Surely for games against these teams we can sell 2-3000 tickets to non-season tickets holders, or however many would be available? I think we have to maximise our home advantage, especially given how intimidating Tynecastle will be with the new standNot trying to be annoying here but how the hell will the new stand make Tynecastle more intimidating. Yes it will look very enclosed and boxed in but that's about it Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deek Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Not trying to be annoying here but how the hell will the new stand make Tynecastle more intimidating. Yes it will look very enclosed and boxed in but that's about it Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk You answered your own question!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrod Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Not trying to be annoying here but how the hell will the new stand make Tynecastle more intimidating. Yes it will look very enclosed and boxed in but that's about it It will be a cauldron in the big games when we are playing well . Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Hearts Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Not trying to be annoying here but how the hell will the new stand make Tynecastle more intimidating. Yes it will look very enclosed and boxed in but that's about it Think you just answered your own question there! All visiting teams/fans say Tynecastle is intimidating because of the steepness (and proximity) of the stands, the boxed in nature of the stadium. Now, instead of having that on 3 sides, we will have it on all 4 sides. With the biggest stand of all completing the effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireeagle51 Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Think you just answered your own question there! All visiting teams/fans say Tynecastle is intimidating because of the steepness (and proximity) of the stands, the boxed in nature of the stadium. Now, instead of having that on 3 sides, we will have it on all 4 sides. With the biggest stand of all completing the effect.The steep and boxed in stands help when the crowd are up for it but a new stand is not going to change people's attitudes that don't sing. The small games will be just as quiet as last year Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Hearts Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 The steep and boxed in stands help when the crowd are up for it but a new stand is not going to change people's attitudes that don't sing. The small games will be just as quiet as last year That may be, but you were replying to a post about games against the OF and Hibs, when the crowd are definitely up for it (unless we're getting outplayed by Celtic, which can happen). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 The steep and boxed in stands help when the crowd are up for it but a new stand is not going to change people's attitudes that don't sing. The small games will be just as quiet as last year Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Atmosphere is not necessarily about singing or banging drums at a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JyTees Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 I didn't realise it was obligatory to read to the very end of a thread before being permitted to make a comment! Why the **** would I have been expecting a different answer? It would have been fairly obvious to most folk with even half a brain that the post I replied to was likely to be the most up to date one that I'd read at that point. If my reply happened to echo one that someone else had made before me, I'd like to think most people would just note that I'd shared the same viewpoint as someone else rather than respond with a prickish whinge about me saying the same as someone else. It'd be a boring ****ing place if everyone repeated the same ****ing questions on every ****ing thread! Is prickish even an adjective? Use words in their correct context...ya prick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireeagle51 Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Atmosphere is not necessarily about singing or banging drums at a game.I agree, cheering and roaring whenever there's a corner or something but singing is the main way of atmosphere inside any football ground Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 You'll find that loads of players still admire the atmospheres we think are shit. Even on a bad day at Tynie it's still one of, if not the best in Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireeagle51 Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 You'll find that loads of players still admire the atmospheres we think are shit. Even on a bad day at Tynie it's still one of, if not the best in Scotland. Give an example please ?? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Give an example please ?? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk It's 00:55 in the morning. I'm not trawling the net for examples for you. I know myself that I've read comments like that on a few occasions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireeagle51 Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 It's 00:55 in the morning. I'm not trawling the net for examples for you. I know myself that I've read comments like that on a few occasions. **** sleep, find an example now [emoji35][emoji35] Just Kidding, night night my fellow jambo [emoji1145][emoji1145] FTH Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 If true my error... Memory plays tricks... Back in the day season tickets were not the norm... You're dead right matey but most of us stood on the terracing then. I now find it easier to "pre book" my place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgie_Rules Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 There's an old chart on here from LondonHearts of average attendances: http://www.londonhearts.com/charts/averagel.htm So this season there is a good chance we will see our highest average attendance in 57 years. Another symbolic milestone of this of this era and the fans commitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Heritage Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 You can see the impact of all seating and the move to most fans having season tickets. The convergence of the min, max to the average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Heritage Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Average Home Crowds by Highest 1948-49 28014 Division A1949-50 27324 Division A1953-54 26247 Division A1951-52 25238 Division A1957-58 24158 Division 11950-51 23917 Division A1956-57 23882 Division 11947-48 23624 Division A1955-56 23588 Division A1954-55 23133 Division A1959-60 23058 Division 11952-53 22377 Division A1958-59 21470 Division 11960-61 20294 Division 11946-47 19309 Division A2006-07 16889 SPL1964-65 16785 Division 12005-06 16762 SPL1987-88 16633 Premier2015-16 16422 Premiership2016-17 16325 Premiership1985-86 16198 Premier2014-15 15986 Championship2007-08 15933 SPL1989-90 15693 Premier1988-89 15367 Premier1997-98 15337 Premier1986-87 14498 Premier2009-10 14497 SPL2008-09 14397 SPL1999-00 14246 SPL2010-11 14185 SPL1998-99 14183 SPL2013-14 14123 Premiership1963-64 13834 Division 11961-62 13827 Division 12011-12 13381 SPL1991-92 13317 Premier1990-91 13231 Premier2012-13 13163 SPL1962-63 12778 Division 12000-01 12773 SPL1975-76 12676 Premier1969-70 12475 Division 11996-97 12349 Premier2004-05 12272 SPL1974-75 12224 Division 11965-66 12109 Division 12001-02 12080 SPL1995-96 12077 Premier2002-03 12036 SPL2003-04 11961 SPL1983-84 11914 Premier1973-74 11732 Division 11976-77 11716 Premier1970-71 11667 Division 11968-69 11546 Division 11984-85 11304 Premier1967-68 11228 Division 11971-72 11196 Division 11993-94 11018 Premier1978-79 10886 Premier1972-73 10261 Division 11966-67 10241 Division 11994-95 10123 Premier1977-78 9862 First Division1992-93 9829 Premier1980-81 7758 Premier1982-83 5912 First Division1979-80 5733 First Division1981-82 5157 First Division If we top 16889 highest since 1960-61 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Heritage Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Fluctuation between Highest and Lowest crowds 1951-52 40018 Division A1946-47 39809 Division A1954-55 39000 Division A1956-57 38000 Division 11947-48 37353 Division A1953-54 37000 Division A1955-56 37000 Division A1948-49 35028 Division A1959-60 33000 Division 11972-73 31661 Division 11952-53 31258 Division A1960-61 31000 Division 11949-50 30956 Division A1964-65 30734 Division 11974-75 30115 Division 11967-68 29415 Division 11968-69 29221 Division 11966-67 28240 Division 11962-63 27692 Division 11950-51 27590 Division A1970-71 27356 Division 11973-74 27308 Division 11957-58 26000 Division 11961-62 23548 Division 11963-64 23483 Division 11965-66 23402 Division 11958-59 23000 Division 11969-70 22806 Division 11986-87 22312 Premier1971-72 22245 Division 11987-88 21685 Premier1991-92 19046 Premier1993-94 18608 Premier1988-89 18032 Premier1985-86 17988 Premier1975-76 17965 Premier1989-90 17902 Premier1976-77 17854 Premier1978-79 17410 Premier1983-84 16927 Premier1992-93 15771 Premier1980-81 15303 Premier1990-91 14946 Premier1984-85 13242 Premier1977-78 12663 First Division1981-82 11977 First Division1982-83 10563 First Division2002-03 9258 SPL1979-80 9083 First Division2004-05 8489 SPL2000-01 8424 SPL2001-02 7447 SPL1999-00 7356 SPL2012-13 6982 SPL2011-12 6683 SPL2007-08 6619 SPL2003-04 6586 SPL1995-96 6583 Premier1997-98 5290 Premier1996-97 5250 Premier1994-95 5238 Premier2008-09 5214 SPL2010-11 5147 SPL1998-99 5105 SPL2013-14 4923 Premiership2009-10 4801 SPL2014-15 2432 Championship2015-16 1557 Premiership2006-07 1457 SPL2016-17 1333 Premiership2005-06 1240 SPL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 86 we would have averaged over 20.000Not even close unfortunately. We averaged just over 16,000 and that includes 6 games against OF and Hibs where they had 8,000-10,000 away fans. I would hazard a guess that the Clydebank match (which could have been the match which won the league) was our only 20k+ purely home support in the league since the early 70s. We were still 7,000 short of capacity that day. If we average 18k+ this season it will be our biggest average at Tynie in more than 50 years. EDIT Sorry - just read umpteen replied on same subject from fellow crowd nerds. I have a spreadsheet with every scottish teams' average crowds since about 1900. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisyboy7 Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 When the mad Russian arrived we had 20500 season ticked applications. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 I still think we should cut the OF allocation as much as possible, Hibs I'm not sure yet as it may affect us. We'd sell decent walk ups for Cat A games and there's not much space left in the current stands. We came out with the grow our fan base chat lets back it up. On a side note I was speaking to a Hearts and a hibs fan the other day, both of whom said they'd probably let their sons be dunfermline fans as they're now the local team! Not for me but hopefully with Edinburgh's population increasing we see the same, being the top team in the city could sway new fans for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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luckydug Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 It would be interesting to see figures without OF/Hibs matches. Many of the crowds in the terracing days were swelled by huge away supports. I would guess that current non OF/Hibs figures would be a match for most of the past years with the exception of the glory years. In other words I think more HEARTS fans are attending matches at Tynecastle than for many years. Fair to say Hibs can make similar claims based on recent figures. Football's booming in Edinburgh imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Sifter Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 So when Hibs restrict our allocation in return and hundreds, no maybe a couple of thousand Hearts fans don't get tickets your fine with that ? Can you honestly see Petrie doing that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Can you honestly see Petrie doing that? Yes.........you and others are simply failing to recognise the pressure Hibs would be under to react from their own fans A derby should have a large contingent of away fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Can you honestly see Petrie doing that? He will be under so much pressure from the fans he will have to respond by cutting our allocation. I'm still 100% into keeping the OF on their current allocation though. At least until we see the figures for the matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Heritage Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 It would be interesting to see figures without OF/Hibs matches. Many of the crowds in the terracing days were swelled by huge away supports. I would guess that current non OF/Hibs figures would be a match for most of the past years with the exception of the glory years. In other words I think more HEARTS fans are attending matches at Tynecastle than for many years. Fair to say Hibs can make similar claims based on recent figures. Football's booming in Edinburgh imo. Difference in Average Crowds without OF/Hibs Season Diff 1946-47 3428 1947-48 4113 1948-49 3582 1949-50 3860 1950-51 1891 1951-52 4501 1952-53 2776 1953-54 5231 1954-55 3050 1955-56 3946 1956-57 2668 1957-58 1894 1958-59 2185 1959-60 2987 1960-61 2937 1961-62 2804 1962-63 1367 1963-64 2787 1964-65 3270 1965-66 3104 1966-67 3721 1967-68 3377 1968-69 4411 1969-70 3288 1970-71 3417 1971-72 2266 1972-73 3584 1973-74 3240 1974-75 3447 1975-76 3577 1976-77 2631 1977-78 0 1978-79 2854 1979-80 0 1980-81 2039 1981-82 0 1982-83 0 1983-84 2684 1984-85 3103 1985-86 3138 1986-87 3195 1987-88 4106 1988-89 4323 1989-90 4003 1990-91 2755 1991-92 3318 1992-93 2477 1993-94 2537 1994-95 806 1995-96 1212 1996-97 1099 1997-98 952 1998-99 671 1999-00 1442 2000-01 1523 2001-02 941 2002-03 1378 2003-04 858 2004-05 1638 2005-06 142 2006-07 26 2007-08 177 2008-09 547 2009-10 818 2010-11 779 2011-12 814 2012-13 552 2013-14 582 2014-15 321 2015-16 31 2016-17 92 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GavK1012 Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 I know its not an idea everyone could do but I would be more than willing to give the club a tenner a game extra against the 2 ugly sisters if it came with the guarentee of them only getting two sections and no more.... We could still sell our section of the Roseburn to boot to loyal supporters on that game by game basis... We need to stand up and say no more and restrict how many of those halfwits get into our ground... The momentum those clubs get when they have the whole stand is too much... There must be ideas similar to the above to restrict their numbers...? We need to really switch on and make Tynie as uncomfortable as poss for everyone and that includes the Glasgow pair... The Hibs is slightly diff and an argument for another day but like I say, more than happy to cover some of the costs of a seat to restrict those cretins... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrod Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Yes.........you and others are simply failing to recognise the pressure Hibs would be under to react from their own fans A derby should have a large contingent of away fans So it's ok to deny more Hearts fans tickets for a home derby , so we can guarantee Hearts fans more tickets for an away derby , seems logical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 I'd much rather thousands of Hearts fans got to see us at Tynie, lining Hearts pockets, than thousands of Hearts fans not getting to go to Easter Road, not lining their pockets. Hibs don't have the fan base to fill half their stand so they would have a tough decision to make regarding income v appeasing their fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars plastic Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 So it's ok to deny more Hearts fans tickets for a home derby , so we can guarantee Hearts fans more tickets for an away derby , seems logical Yes. Those who have paid for a season ticket and travel away deserve to be at Easter road more than those who only want to come to the big games at Tynie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Yes. Those who have paid for a season ticket and travel away deserve to be at Easter road more than those who only want to come to the big games at Tynie. That's not great business practice for a football club. Unless of course people stop buying season tickets because they can't get to Easter Road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Limit OF and hubz fans to 2 sections - do not give them any atmospheric advantages , Some things are more important than money , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 and they all smell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayTeeJnr Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Well done mate One problem with selling the Rangers game for example now as on open sales that that seat then wouldn't be available as a season ticket so we might put off potential ST buyers if there are limited poor positioned seats available Yes, you're right, my response was more to do with people who don't buy season's tickets aren't necessarily fair weather supporters though. The club could leave season ticket sales open in the other three stands but start selling for a couple of sections in the Roseburn for the first few Category A games. They'd get a feel for the demand for tickets from our support. I understand the financial benefits of giving the Roseburn to Rangers, Celtic and Hibs as they will most likely all fill it. Going back to the days of Old Firm fans filling one of our stands isn't appealing though. They're not intimidating at all when they only have the two sections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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