General Election

[Bazzas right boot]

The post I quoted was anything but calm. Scotland only votes against itself in the sense that it hasn't voted this time the way you would like in the numbers you would like.

 

I have not seen one poster on here, including yourself, suggest the abolition of the Scottish Parliament until today. What's changed?

Is it that your dream of it being a step on the road to full independence looks a wee bit further away now?

 

Most of the strife has come from the SNP agitating.

 

By the way who is the self loathing cringemaster now?

There is no justification for Scotland having extra powers that other parts of the UK don't have.

 

A puppet parliament is a waste of money

[jack D and coke]

The post I quoted was anything but calm. Scotland only votes against itself in the sense that it hasn't voted this time the way you would like in the numbers you would like.

 

I have not seen one poster on here, including yourself, suggest the abolition of the Scottish Parliament until today. What's changed?

Is it that your dream of it being a step on the road to full independence looks a wee bit further away now?

 

Most of the strife has come from the SNP agitating.

 

By the way who is the self loathing cringemaster now?

Im not cringeing I get pissed off though. I don't dream of independence either I voted labour this time. I just don't get this country and it's habit of voting against itself. It's a total bammer of a nation. We're like one of those mouthy ***** in a pub that when he gets asked outside then shites it and backs down. For years we gobbed off about the English and WM yet when we got the chance we hid behind their apron (I voted Yes btw) absolutely pathetic we must look.

You've obviously not being paying attention on some of the political threads either it's been mentioned a few times and by one poster who is an fairly prominent SNP member who says he's raised the issue with the party a few times although it's not gaining much traction.

[Victorian]

How can a woman who effectively divorced herself from her party and tried to run a quasi-presidential contest based on her as a person not resign after a rejection of her as a person?

 

****ing coward.

[Bowmans_Boot]

its what the SNP have done since being voted in, 10 years of sitting back, with a continual moan about westminster.

 

from the 1st referendum, where they didn't have a clue what would happen post independence, right through the past 10 years, they've never gave a flying about governing, to hell with the country, as long as they can say they got scotlands independence, their sitting that far back their horizontal.

I dont wish to be rude, but this post is complete shite.

[Bowmans_Boot]

How can a woman who effectively divorced herself from her party and tried to run a quasi-presidential contest based on her as a person not resign after a rejection of her as a person?

 

******* coward.

It is unbelievable. May made this GE about her and Jeremy Corbyn, fully believing that the public wouldnt trust/vote for him when it came down to it. Although Labour didnt do quite as well as they would like you to believe, her strategy backfired and the public showed clearly that they do not trust her.

 

Sutely to God she cannot continue for very long.

[Bazzas right boot]

Boris Johnson up next for pm.

 

Shambles isn't even adequate a word, he probably couldn't find Scotland on a map.

[Adam Murray]

Im not cringeing I get pissed off though. I don't dream of independence either I voted labour this time. I just don't get this country and it's habit of voting against itself. It's a total bammer of a nation. We're like one of those mouthy ***** in a pub that when he gets asked outside then shites it and backs down. For years we gobbed off about the English and WM yet when we got the chance we hid behind their apron (I voted Yes btw) absolutely pathetic we must look.

You've obviously not being paying attention on some of the political threads either it's been mentioned a few times and by one poster who is an fairly prominent SNP member who says he's raised the issue with the party a few times although it's not gaining much traction.

 

 

But the majority aren't voting against themselves, or their country, nor are they gobbing off about the English or Westminster, you'll probably find that is the very vocal minority.

 

A lot of people are very happy with things as they are, with being Scottish and British, and the SNP and their supporters have done absolutely nothing to address that situation, to try and convince those people to change their mind.

 

And when did we Scots ever give a flying one about what others thought of us?

[Brighton Jambo]

A better more prosperous and affordable future for whom? Not the majority I wouldn't think.

I didn't see the SNP, the Lib Dems, the Greens or UKIP standing for Marxist Communist Socialist policies. Yet you opted for the Conservatives which leads me to believe you either don't grasp how their policies will be negative for you (madness) or you see the prosperous benefits for yourself (selfish).

I'm sorry to interrogate you (It's not personal I assure you) but why can't Conservative voters just come out and say "I voted for the party that (rightly or wrongly) will best support my own self interests" rather than hiding behind some rationale that the other options are rubbish and they are doing it in everyone's interests?

I go to work in a job that lines shareholders pockets, I do it because it pays well and benefits me. I don't pretend that I am doing some kind of good for society and the greater good. I'm being selfish in choosing my place of work. That doesn't make me a bad person but at least I recognise that I'm acting for me and my family and us alone. I believe in voting in a fashion that mitigates the success of people fortunate enough to be in my position by ensuring we do not do so at the expense of others.

We've now got a hung parliament with hard right wingers against minorities rights playing the kingmaker. This will suit the few, not the many. It's democracy and I absolutely accept the result but let's not pretend this is anything other than a victory for parochialism and self interest. Not society.

I voted conservative, mostly because of self interest I admit it. I earn well but am not wealthy I have two young children and right now they are my whole world, I voted for the party that gives me the best chance of giving them everything I can. Selfish...absolutely, if they were grown up would I vote differently..probably. Do I want to look after wider society yes, but the choice between that and my children there's only one winner.

 

I do also genuinely like Ruth Davidson I think she has a bit bout her.

 

I know I will get slaughtered for this view and the NHS will be thrown at me amongst have other things but I voted for the low tax party to have more money for my family. There I said it and feel better for it.

 

Sorry for all I offend

[Adam Murray]

I voted conservative, mostly because of self interest I admit it. I earn well but am not wealthy I have two young children and right now they are my whole world, I voted for the party that gives me the best chance of giving them everything I can. Selfish...absolutely, if they were grown up would I vote differently..probably. Do I want to look after wider society yes, but the choice between that and my children there's only one winner.

 

I do also genuinely like Ruth Davidson I think she has a bit bout her.

 

I know I will get slaughtered for this view and the NHS will be thrown at me amongst have other things but I voted for the low tax party to have more money for my family. There I said it and feel better for it.

 

Sorry for all I offend

 

 

Bravo Sir, nothing wrong with any of that whatsoever.

[jack D and coke]

But the majority aren't voting against themselves, or their country, nor are they gobbing off about the English or Westminster, you'll probably find that is the very vocal minority.

 

A lot of people are very happy with things as they are, with being Scottish and British, and the SNP and their supporters have done absolutely nothing to address that situation, to try and convince those people to change their mind.

 

And when did we Scots ever give a flying one about what others thought of us?

So get rid of Holyrood then? It's bringing nothing but playground stuff from both sides and I'm sick of it. It's us having a halfway house and personally it's starting to feel a bit unfair. We either stand on our own two feet or fall into line and accept we are north Britain cos it's obviously what we want then.

[pablo]

But the majority aren't voting against themselves, or their country, nor are they gobbing off about the English or Westminster, you'll probably find that is the very vocal minority.

 

A lot of people are very happy with things as they are, with being Scottish and British, and the SNP and their supporters have done absolutely nothing to address that situation, to try and convince those people to change their mind.

 

And when did we Scots ever give a flying one about what others thought of us?

Great post. They've not made any attempt to to address this or us.

 

Why is the risk worth it? And please don't slaver on about food banks when the vast majority of us have never seen one, let alone use one.

 

We're proudly Scottish and consider our position the best way for the country.

 

What convinces us otherwise? Police Scotland? The named person act, the economy, the disgrace that is education in Scotland?

 

There's only so long you can be considered a traitor, or a diluted Scot before there's a backlash.

 

Brace yourselves

[kingantti1874]

But the majority aren't voting against themselves, or their country, nor are they gobbing off about the English or Westminster, you'll probably find that is the very vocal minority.

 

A lot of people are very happy with things as they are, with being Scottish and British, and the SNP and their supporters have done absolutely nothing to address that situation, to try and convince those people to change their mind.

 

And when did we Scots ever give a flying one about what others thought of us?

Correct. There's isn't an us and them..

[Dawnrazor]

Great post. They've not made any attempt to to address this or us.

Why is the risk worth it? And please don't slaver on about food banks when the vast majority of us have never seen one, let alone use one.

We're proudly Scottish and consider our position the best way for the country.

What convinces us otherwise? Police Scotland? The named person act, the economy, the disgrace that is education in Scotland?

There's only so long you can be considered a traitor, or a diluted Scot before there's a backlash.

Brace yourselves

[...a bit disco]

The first 3 lp's were brilliant, Rocket to Russia being my favourite

 

Even after the notoriously difficult 2nd album.

[The Real Maroonblood]

So May jumps in to a deal with the orange terrorists. Sound.

The DUP are a bit like our small resident gaggle of frustrated huns. A thin veneer of respectability barely hiding views and opinions from another age. Push them and they'll revert to bigoted type.

The thought of these flat earth inbreds determining anything to do with this country is morally repugnant.

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You don't mince words.

[Mikey1874]

Completely agree . Well said. SNP need to go for broke

A good start would be ending the Barnett formula now

 

Though doubt DUP would support that

 

'Stand on our own 2 feet' as a campaign.

[argyjambo]

I voted conservative, mostly because of self interest I admit it. I earn well but am not wealthy I have two young children and right now they are my whole world, I voted for the party that gives me the best chance of giving them everything I can. Selfish...absolutely, if they were grown up would I vote differently..probably. Do I want to look after wider society yes, but the choice between that and my children there's only one winner.

I do also genuinely like Ruth Davidson I think she has a bit bout her.

I know I will get slaughtered for this view and the NHS will be thrown at me amongst have other things but I voted for the low tax party to have more money for my family. There I said it and feel better for it.

Sorry for all I offend

Never be sorry for offending scotnatz & labour suppporters or policies. Tories have been vilified for the last 30 yrs, and IMO we should have called them out at the time over their perpetual and misguided policies of maintaining the same old class divisions and percieved injustices from the 1930's. What we should have done is attack them relentlessly on this issue and slaughter them for their economic incompetence and slavish adherence to out-dated party and union inspired dogma.

I've seen it several times in my lifetime (i'm 62) and every time they got in, they f***** up the economy...royally. Remember Corbyn's henchman McDonnell was responsible for bankrupting the GLC in the late 70's early eighties. What makes anyone think he'd do anything other than the same again this time, only on a bigger scale.

Its a myth they costed their manifesto, just ask them how they would finance their manifesto pledges on nationalisation.....answer...bonds! **** me even linda lovelace widnae swallow that one, neither should the electorate.

[Mikey1874]

Good to hear it's only the successful who "work hard".

[MacDonald Jardine]

Im not cringeing I get pissed off though. I don't dream of independence either I voted labour this time. I just don't get this country and it's habit of voting against itself. It's a total bammer of a nation. We're like one of those mouthy ***** in a pub that when he gets asked outside then shites it and backs down. For years we gobbed off about the English and WM yet when we got the chance we hid behind their apron (I voted Yes btw) absolutely pathetic we must look.

You've obviously not being paying attention on some of the political threads either it's been mentioned a few times and by one poster who is an fairly prominent SNP member who says he's raised the issue with the party a few times although it's not gaining much traction.

So what does Scotland "voting against itself" mean?

Are you only allowed to vote Nationalist or a certain form of Unionist?

And I've never voted Tory in my life by the way.

 

I'll admit I don't read all the political threads on here, largely because they tend to go round in circles, but the call now to abolish the Scottish Parliament smacks of petulance.

[Victorian]

As is being discussed elsewhere, one excellent thing to come out of the election is the primed and enthused younger vote. There a whole new generation who are now 'blooded' and enfranchised in the process and duty of casting a vote. Not long ago this same section of society was widely apathetic to it. In my view, this generation of voters will now stay involved permanently and there's every chance that their proximity to those to follow will ensure a perpetual sharing of enthusiasm and values. It can surely only lead to more and more genuine, belief based politics.

[jack D and coke]

So what does Scotland "voting against itself" mean?

Are you only allowed to vote Nationalist or a certain form of Unionist?

And I've never voted Tory in my life by the way.

 

I'll admit I don't read all the political threads on here, largely because they tend to go round in circles, but the call now to abolish the Scottish Parliament smacks of petulance.

Really? Is this stuff just to go on forever?

Decide it once for all for me.

[Cade]

Allegedly, if you add up all the marginal victories for the Tories over Labour, then Labour only needed less than 3,000 people to change their vote and they'd have emerged as the largest party.

 

[Mikey1874]

Allegedly, if you add up all the marginal victories for the Tories over Labour, then Labour only needed less than 3,000 people to change their vote and they'd have emerged as the largest party.

 

 

Wee problem for Tories thinking they could call another election in a few months.

 

Need to make that coalition with DUP work.

 

Popcorn

[kingantti1874]

Allegedly, if you add up all the marginal victories for the Tories over Labour, then Labour only needed less than 3,000 people to change their vote and they'd have emerged as the largest party.

 

How many marginal victories did labour win? Not being viscicous here but logic is flawed..read one earlier in day that said 1500 votes would have lost SNP another 12 seats..

[Mikey1874]

How many marginal victories did labour win? Not being viscicous here but logic is flawed..read one earlier in day that said 1500 votes would have lost SNP another 12 seats..

You've got a point

 

Whole set of results you could analyse

 

But a few close ones including 2 (TWO) in North East Fife

 

Though Diane Abbot won by nearly 40,000

[Bazzas right boot]

Folk trying to come across as good, honest hard working tories.

 

Well,

 

They are selling of the NHS to the highest bidder, the money will be lost to shareholders and companies. Some of which won't pay tax.- Just hope you can afford your bills or don't get sick, or any of your family get sick when this happens.

 

Human rights- Tories won't to replace them, have a look at what life was like before this act. Again just hope you or your family are lucky enough to avoid the fall out for  this.

 

Bedroom tax- again, just hope you or your family never have to rely on social housing.

 

Rape clause- won't even go into it, but go forbid any of your loved ones have to go through this to get a few extra pound.

 

Security- well the last two weeks  have highlighted the impact of her cuts. Again, thank yourself lucky.

 

Fox hunting-  this just highlight their general interests and priorities. Any party that wants to bring  back a sport that involves ripping apart any animal for sport has issues.

 

Europe- No Major European war in over 70 years, free movement. but **** it, our children and grandchildren will think of something surely? A divided Europe... what could go wrong? The thing is it all came about because the tories wanted to win an election, they don't even care how the result plays out. They called it to win an election.

 

Education- only for the rich, the plebs don't deserve it.

 

May- hid for the whole time, although she still got elected. Coward.

 

The Tories are a horrible party. They support the elite.

My mate says any person earning over ?85k and votes for them is a selfish *******, anyone under ?85k voting for them is a stupid *******. I thought that was nicely summarised.

 

Folk like May and Johnson don't give a flying **** what happens North of London, they don't even hide that fact, yet as plebs we bow to them and let them control us.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Cade]

How many marginal victories did labour win? Not being viscicous here but logic is flawed..read one earlier in day that said 1500 votes would have lost SNP another 12 seats..

Of course, those figures work both ways and if another 3,000 people in tight labour wins had voted Tory then May would have her majority 

 

The figures just show how broken the FPTP system is, when 3,000 people changing their minds can result in a totally different government.

[MacDonald Jardine]

Really? Is this stuff just to go on forever?

Decide it once for all for me.

No it needn't go on forever.

We are part of the UK but a number of major powers are devolved to Scotland.

If people would just accept that we could get on with actually trying to improve things.

[Maple Leaf]

I voted conservative, mostly because of self interest I admit it. I earn well but am not wealthy I have two young children and right now they are my whole world, I voted for the party that gives me the best chance of giving them everything I can. Selfish...absolutely, if they were grown up would I vote differently..probably. Do I want to look after wider society yes, but the choice between that and my children there's only one winner.

 

I know I will get slaughtered for this view and the NHS will be thrown at me amongst have other things but I voted for the low tax party to have more money for my family. There I said it and feel better for it.

 

Sorry for all I offend

Nothing wrong with that.

 

Voting for what's in the best interests of one's family is normal behaviour, as far as I'm concerned.

[Bazzas right boot]

How many marginal victories did labour win? Not being viscicous here but logic is flawed..read one earlier in day that said 1500 votes would have lost SNP another 12 seats..

 

 

In England, even where labour lost the seat thier share of the vote increased quite dramatically.

 

Tories lost seats they never even thought was  possible.

 

They also scraped by in a few areas that were historically very strong. Rudd got through by less than 300 votes.

 

At one point I was thinking a labour win was possible, however the trend was not replicated across the board, just random places.

 

If 10/12 of the seats that went to lib or cons in Scotland had stayed  snp or went labour, we'd be looking at a completley different government.

[Victorian]

There's the initial rumblings of incredulity and discontent with the DUP involvement. Lots of people are starting to research them and see the incompatibility problems with reasonable values. It's not going to stand unquestioned and not protested. They're going to have to water down the arrangement quite significantly.

[Dawnrazor]

 

If 10/12 of the seats that went to lib or cons in Scotland had stayed  snp or went labour, we'd be looking at a completley different government.

If my auntie had baws she'd be my uncle.

[Bazzas right boot]

No it needn't go on forever.

We are part of the UK but a number of major powers are devolved to Scotland.

If people would just accept that we could get on with actually trying to improve things.

 

Why should Scotland have devolved powers that  the rest of the UK do not have?

 

The question will be brought up sooner rather than later. Its expensive and in all honesty not fair on the rest of the country. Add in wales and NI as well. Time we become one as we seem to want. The money, time and resource would be better spent elsewhere, perhaps cutting the tax of the highest earners or something.

[MacDonald Jardine]

Why should Scotland have devolved powers that  the rest of the UK do not have?

 

The question will be brought up sooner rather than later. Its expensive and in all honesty not fair on the rest of the country. Add in wales and NI as well. Time we become one as we seem to want. The money, time and resource would be better spent elsewhere, perhaps cutting the tax of the highest earners or something.

"Time we become one as we seem to want"?

 

I'm not sure how old you are but the Scottish Parliament was hard won over many years.

There is an anomaly that may require to be addressed with England in particular, and it is a bone of contention for some English, but that's no reason to just abolish it.

[kingantti1874]

You've got a point

 

Whole set of results you could analyse

 

But a few close ones including 2 (TWO) in North East Fife

 

Though Diane Abbot won by nearly 40,000

Amazing really because she is quite clearly really ****ing stupid.. I actually think a minimum level of eduction should be a requirement for Parliament

[Dawnrazor]

Amazing really because she is quite clearly really ******* stupid.. I actually think a minimum level of eduction should be a requirement for Parliament

That would leave the SNP with about 6 msp's!!!!

[Bazzas right boot]

I voted conservative, mostly because of self interest I admit it. I earn well but am not wealthy I have two young children and right now they are my whole world, I voted for the party that gives me the best chance of giving them everything I can. Selfish...absolutely, if they were grown up would I vote differently..probably. Do I want to look after wider society yes, but the choice between that and my children there's only one winner.

 

I do also genuinely like Ruth Davidson I think she has a bit bout her.

 

I know I will get slaughtered for this view and the NHS will be thrown at me amongst have other things but I voted for the low tax party to have more money for my family. There I said it and feel better for it.

 

Sorry for all I offend

 

 

Very short sighted in regards to your children and grand children. You admit it was selfish, I'd go  further and say it was a vote with you in mind and not your family.

 

The NHS, education and security  service have been put at risk by  the tories. This may well have a big impact on your children's and grand children's ability to further education  and health.

 

I , like my parents have also enjoyed a time of  relative peace in Europe and freedom of movement. This is all at risk under the tories, not to mention job security and human and workers rights that we have all enjoyed. Your children might not have these as they are now.

 

 

If you are wealthy and kids were at private school and you can afford private medical care for you and your family and can afford to pay  for further education, then congrats, however if you relay on any of the public services, your vote as the recent events have proven is putting the public at risk and ultimately your family and children.

 

But its ok, you saved , what ?1k a year in tax?

 

Your vote was maybe selfish, but not in the way you think.

 

Sorry if I offend.

[Mikey1874]

Amazing really because she is quite clearly really ******* stupid.. I actually think a minimum level of eduction should be a requirement for Parliament

It's one of the most sensational results. Maybe the locals reacted to all the shit she gets. That's London for you too.

 

Probably like many a good local MP too.

[Bazzas right boot]

"Time we become one as we seem to want"?

 

I'm not sure how old you are but the Scottish Parliament was hard won over many years.

There is an anomaly that may require to be addressed with England in particular, and it is a bone of contention for some English, but that's no reason to just abolish it.

 

 

The  reason to abolish it is very, very simple.

 

We voted to be part of the UK. we should then take our place in it , alongside everyone else. We deserve , nor require any special treatment.

 

As long as the parliament stands, independence will dominate our politics. As you say in order to progress it needs to be taken of the table. I can't see any other way to do this other  than hold a second referendum, but with two consequences. No half way house.

[SwindonJambo]

In England, even where labour lost the seat thier share of the vote increased quite dramatically.

 

Tories lost seats they never even thought was  possible.

 

They also scraped by in a few areas that were historically very strong. Rudd got through by less than 300 votes.

 

At one point I was thinking a labour win was possible, however the trend was not replicated across the board, just random places.

 

If 10/12 of the seats that went to lib or cons in Scotland had stayed  snp or went labour, we'd be looking at a completley different government.

The Tories have screwed up embarrassingly but it's cringey to see Labour strutting around triumphantly as if they've won something. They haven't. They lost. The Tories, despite an inept campaign led by a poor leader on an incoherent manifesto still won 57 more seats.than Labour.

 

Labour will not be able to form a government under any circumstances. There will be another election within a year - definitely under a new Tory leader and hopefully a new Labour leader too.

[SwindonJambo]

Amazing really because she is quite clearly really ******* stupid.. I actually think a minimum level of eduction should be a requirement for Parliament

It doesn't say much for her constituents!

[kingantti1874]

Very short sighted in regards to your children and grand children. You admit it was selfish, I'd go further and say it was a vote with you in mind and not your family.

 

The NHS, education and security service have been put at risk by the tories. This may well have a big impact on your children's and grand children's ability to further education and health.

 

I , like my parents have also enjoyed a time of relative peace in Europe and freedom of movement. This is all at risk under the tories, not to mention job security and human and workers rights that we have all enjoyed. Your children might not have these as they are now.

 

 

If you are wealthy and kids were at private school and you can afford private medical care for you and your family and can afford to pay for further education, then congrats, however if you relay on any of the public services, your vote as the recent events have proven is putting the public at risk and ultimately your family and children.

 

But its ok, you saved , what ?1k a year in tax?

 

Your vote was maybe selfish, but not in the way you think.

 

Sorry if I offend.

I don't disagree with most of your post.. Trouble is.. How do you actually achieve it? Country cannot spend what it doesn't have.. Weve already saddled future generations with an unsustainable debt mountain.. Labour made promises they simply couldnt have delivered.. Same as the SNP.. Sure you can say tax the wealthy and there is a bit of that.. But go too far and the wealghy will simply take their wealth elsewhere.. Making the situation worse

 

This country is going to have to make some very serious choices in the near future..Nd all of them will. Be unpopular

[JudyJudyJudy]

A good start would be ending the Barnett formula now

 

Though doubt DUP would support that

 

'Stand on our own 2 feet' as a campaign.

Good point

[SwindonJambo]

"Time we become one as we seem to want"?

 

I'm not sure how old you are but the Scottish Parliament was hard won over many years.

There is an anomaly that may require to be addressed with England in particular, and it is a bone of contention for some English, but that's no reason to just abolish it.

It was indeed. And Labour, the Lib Dems and SNP all campaigned ceaselessly for months to get it.

[Dawnrazor]

ICountry cannot spend what it doesn't have....

Yes it can, just vote Labour.

[kingantti1874]

Yes it can, just vote Labour.

Like shopping in bright house.

[JudyJudyJudy]

Folk trying to come across as good, honest hard working tories.

 

Well,

 

They are selling of the NHS to the highest bidder, the money will be lost to shareholders and companies. Some of which won't pay tax.- Just hope you can afford your bills or don't get sick, or any of your family get sick when this happens.

 

Human rights- Tories won't to replace them, have a look at what life was like before this act. Again just hope you or your family are lucky enough to avoid the fall out for  this.

 

Bedroom tax- again, just hope you or your family never have to rely on social housing.

 

Rape clause- won't even go into it, but go forbid any of your loved ones have to go through this to get a few extra pound.

 

Security- well the last two weeks  have highlighted the impact of her cuts. Again, thank yourself lucky.

 

Fox hunting-  this just highlight their general interests and priorities. Any party that wants to bring  back a sport that involves ripping apart any animal for sport has issues.

 

Europe- No Major European war in over 70 years, free movement. but **** it, our children and grandchildren will think of something surely? A divided Europe... what could go wrong? The thing is it all came about because the tories wanted to win an election, they don't even care how the result plays out. They called it to win an election.

 

Education- only for the rich, the plebs don't deserve it.

 

May- hid for the whole time, although she still got elected. Coward.

 

The Tories are a horrible party. They support the elite.

My mate says any person earning over ?85k and votes for them is a selfish *******, anyone under ?85k voting for them is a stupid *******. I thought that was nicely summarised.

 

Folk like May and Johnson don't give a flying **** what happens North of London, they don't even hide that fact, yet as plebs we bow to them and let them control us.

As my old mum used to say " you never know whats round the corner"....so those smug Tories and their voters need to think what could happen to them if they became ill. etc.  Very well said and summarized. 

[Bazzas right boot]

I don't disagree with most of your post.. Trouble is.. How do you actually achieve it? Country cannot spend what it doesn't have.. Weve already saddled future generations with an unsustainable debt mountain.. Labour made promises they simply couldnt have delivered.. Same as the SNP.. Sure you can say tax the wealthy and there is a bit of that.. But go too far and the wealghy will simply take their wealth elsewhere.. Making the situation worse

 

This country is going to have to make some very serious choices in the near future..Nd all of them will. Be unpopular

 

 

I agree attacking the wealthy is not the way.

 

The  super wealthy? Coperation tax, no  harm. Folk earning millions?

 

Folk that work hard deserve better things. However, Greed has taken over. The Tories protect the greedy, not the hard working

 

Even the JC tax on the ?85k+ was costing them an extra ?1k a year on average, including himself. hardly breadline

 

Picking on pensioners, disabled etc is not working, never has.

 

Joe public spend more  when they earn more, drink, holidays, bigger houses, nicer cars, clothes, maybe save a little. The money is recycled. The super rich stick  it an an offshore account, the money is  never seen again and in most cases not a penny will go back into the UK economy. The Tory cabinet is full of such folk.

[Dawnrazor]

Like shopping in bright house.

There was a thing on the wife's Facebook she showed me, made giggle!!

It was how Labour get in every four or elections is down to the nations amnesia - Labour get in and bankrupt the country - the Tories get in and pick up the pieces and sort things out - amnesia kicks in and people vote for Labour - Labour get in and bankrupt the country................

[Space Mackerel]

Any Labour supporters on here who voted Tory to kick the SNP in the bollocks?

 

They must be feeling pretty stupid now.