Space Mackerel Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 The sad thing is. The folk that vote tory tactically ( but are actually central/ left) have just handed power to the right. If 8-10 seats in scotland that had turned Tory had stayed SNP or went to Labour, then Labour SNP could have made the next government. Instead England an NI will tell us what to do. In all honesty, Scotland is a skid mark. we deserve to be told what to do, we really are a nation of shite bags. SNP should throw the gauntlet down and state we will have another referendum, however in the result in a No vote the Scottish parliament should be dissolved and we should take our place in line with the rest of the UK. Afterall this is what we want? Can't argue with any of this. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Should help strengthen the union though Maybe not. Might hasten a United Ireland. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirt Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 The sad thing is. The folk that vote tory tactically ( but are actually central/ left) have just handed power to the right. If 8-10 seats in scotland that had turned Tory had stayed SNP or went to Labour, then Labour SNP could have made the next government. Instead England an NI will tell us what to do. In all honesty, Scotland is a skid mark. we deserve to be told what to do, we really are a nation of shite bags. SNP should throw the gauntlet down and state we will have another referendum, however in the result in a No vote the Scottish parliament should be dissolved and we should take our place in line with the rest of the UK. Afterall this is what we want? Pains me to say this is true. All or nothing, make the people decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Maybe not. Might hasten a United Ireland. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro That would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Maybe not. Might hasten a United Ireland. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro Oh, this will be good! How do you work that out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 The Tory gains in Scotland were made on a single issue protest vote against another IndyRef. They'll go back to being irrelevant again at the next GE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasselhoff Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 The sad thing is. The folk that vote tory tactically ( but are actually central/ left) have just handed power to the right. If 8-10 seats in scotland that had turned Tory had stayed SNP or went to Labour, then Labour SNP could have made the next government. Instead England an NI will tell us what to do. In all honesty, Scotland is a skid mark. we deserve to be told what to do, we really are a nation of shite bags. SNP should throw the gauntlet down and state we will have another referendum, however in the result in a No vote the Scottish parliament should be dissolved and we should take our place in line with the rest of the UK. Afterall this is what we want? Stop talking Scotland down!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Happy to answer that one. It's not all Tory territory - the main population centres in Musselburgh, Prestonpans and Tranent have always been fertile ground for Labour and more recently the SNP. And the rest of the county has always been sympathetic to able, moderate Labour politicians such as John MacIntosh, John Home Robertson and Iain Gray (now the MSP and who held it against the trend at the last Scottish Election). Add to that the fact that it has one of the best educated electorates in Scotland when it comes to tactical voting, and they came up with a good candidate this time in Former lawyer tuned schoolteacher Martin Whitfield. Labour put considerable effort into this one, with frequent visits by Kezia Dugdale, and strong support from Iain Gray. The siting MP, George Kerevan, who actually lives not in the constituency but in Edinburgh, was also handicapped by the opposition of many voters to the possibility of Indyref2, and lost many votes to both Labour and Conservative on that one. In fact the Tories did increase their vote and are now snapping at the heels of the SNP. But not enough to upset the form in this particular constituency. Pretty much as I had expected, in fact. Cheers for the explanation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Bride of Dracula's cabinet reshuffle should be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Pains me to say this is true. All or nothing, make the people decide. This is what's confusing at the moment. Instead of the other parties saying take indyref2 off the table. Now is the time to say let's have it. The electorate have spoken. Call out the SNP now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Oh, this will be good! How do you work that out? Are you forgetting about Brexit? 10 days from now the talks start. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 This is what's confusing at the moment. Instead of the other parties saying take indyref2 off the table. Now is the time to say let's have it. The electorate have spoken. Call out the SNP now! "Now is not the time" Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Pains me to say this is true. All or nothing, make the people decide. Said this for a while. Really make Ruth and Dugdale squirm. Lay it all out, no half in half out. Giving the voting pattern it would seem the logical thing to do, on last night around 60% don't support the SNP. If there is a greater desire for the union, then make it 100%. The only way to find out if this desire to remain as part of the UK is to make it a No vote- we become a region of the UK , and fall in line with everyone else. No parliament, in all honesty if folk want top be part of the union then the thing along with all the MSP's are a cost that is not needed. Yes vote- we become a country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf's Mate Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 The sad thing is. The folk that vote tory tactically ( but are actually central/ left) have just handed power to the right. If 8-10 seats in scotland that had turned Tory had stayed SNP or went to Labour, then Labour SNP could have made the next government. Instead England an NI will tell us what to do. In all honesty, Scotland is a skid mark. we deserve to be told what to do, we really are a nation of shite bags. SNP should throw the gauntlet down and state we will have another referendum, however in the result in a No vote the Scottish parliament should be dissolved and we should take our place in line with the rest of the UK. Afterall this is what we want? And if some more SNP voters had backed Labour we wouldn't be in this sorry state. Let's all start pointing the fingers at each other [emoji23] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 You been drinking Geoff? Irrespective of whether I've imbibed alcohol or not, Northern Ireland's future is decided by the people of Northern Ireland alone, as defined by the GFA. So Space, unsurprisingly, is talking bollocks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Oh, this will be good! How do you work that out? He'll find something to cut and paste or link you to some Nat website..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 This is what's confusing at the moment. Instead of the other parties saying take indyref2 off the table. Now is the time to say let's have it. The electorate have spoken. Call out the SNP now! Not on the terms of a no vote means the abolishment of the Scottish parliment tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Are you forgetting about Brexit? 10 days from now the talks start. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro No. I think you also missed Snarlene saying that she wanted a soft Brexit too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 No. I think you also missed Snarlene saying that she wanted a soft Brexit too. I'm still trying to get my head around this soft Brexit chat? What is it? Basically no Brexit? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Stop talking Scotland down!!! Nope, we really are a shite bag nation. We have had several chance to take our destiny in to our hands, each time we passed. We will now be governed by England and NI. The parliment should be brought into question given 60% of the electorate are anti SNP ( Anti independence). We don't deserve to be treated differently from the rest of the UK, we chose to be part of the UK, we have helped elect a Tory/ NI Westminster government, we deserved to be governed the same as other regions of the UK. It should be laid out as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 You were asked before if you vote Tory for personal reasons (i.e. you personally are better off under them) and you said no. You clearly do and I dont understand why some (pretty much always Tory) voters are almost ashamed to admit why they vote the way they do. I said on the eve of the election I voted Tory. I voted Tory in the Council elections too. Why would I be ashamed to say what I vote. What I do open myself up to though by saying that is a vitriolic onslaught from rabid posters who show no respect for anyone else point of view. There are at few exceptions but not many. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 "Sorry for voting Tory, it wasn't my fault. The SNP made me do it." I suppose it was the SNP's fault that Scottish Labour were so shite that voting Tory was the obvious response, instead of voting Labour, for example? I see he's completely ignored the posts about Kezia actively suggesting Tory votes in areas where they were placed better to beat the SNP. At the risk of repeating myself, it is obvious that if SLAB had purged the Blairites and went all-in with Corbyn, they might yet have sneaked 2nd place in Scotland. This coalition wont last 5 minutes. May knows it. Corbyn knows it. Hell Sturgeon probably even knows it. May and probably Sturgeon wont be around for the re-play (which will be in the late autumn)but it will result in a Labour led LibDem/SNP coalition Sturgeon just walloped the opposition. Just because the disproportionate high of 56 was not achievable (and never will be, again) this time round, that is still their second highest GE polling ever. The SNP took more seats than the entire opposition, combined, and more than the Lib-dems nationwide. Sorry to disappoint you but she is going nowhere. The 2nd referendum has already been voted for at Holyrood - something Ruth the mooth and the Dug seem to have forgotten - and ultimately the fate of that referendum is still linked to post-Brexit, as it always was. May is toast, no question. The tories will see to that themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 I'm still trying to get my head around this soft Brexit chat? What is it? Basically no Brexit? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro The Norway option, which some of us called at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 The Norway option, which some of us called at the time. Ah well, bang goes ?350 million to the NHS. So we pay more to gain access and have no influence. Superb thinking. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Sausage Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 A soft Brexit (as close as we can get to no Brexit at all) and a big nose bleed for Scottish independence would do for me. Really happy with how last night went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 I said on the eve of the election I voted Tory. I voted Tory in the Council elections too. Why would I be ashamed to say what I vote. What I do open myself up to though by saying that is a vitriolic onslaught from rabid posters who show no respect for anyone else point of view. There are at few exceptions but not many. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Of course, you shouldn't get abuse for voting Tory. Thats shite patter. What is difficult to understand is those that are actually central/ left and voted tactically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Ah well, bang goes ?350 million to the NHS. So we pay more to gain access and have no influence. Superb thinking. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro Quality logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Ah well, bang goes ?350 million to the NHS. So we pay more to gain access and have no influence. Superb thinking. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro And yet Norway doesn't rush to join. Perhaps because, you know, the direction of travel is a Federal Europe with even more supranational powers with a currency that isn't fit for purpose and is strangling the life out of southern Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Nope, we really are a shite bag nation. We have had several chance to take our destiny in to our hands, each time we passed. We will now be governed by England and NI. The parliment should be brought into question given 60% of the electorate are anti SNP ( Anti independence). We don't deserve to be treated differently from the rest of the UK, we chose to be part of the UK, we have helped elect a Tory/ NI Westminster government, we deserved to be governed the same as other regions of the UK. It should be laid out as such. This. Scotland has shat the bed again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 I see he's completely ignored the posts about Kezia actively suggesting Tory votes in areas where they were placed better to beat the SNP. At the risk of repeating myself, it is obvious that if SLAB had purged the Blairites and went all-in with Corbyn, they might yet have sneaked 2nd place in Scotland. Sturgeon just walloped the opposition. Just because the disproportionate high of 56 was not achievable (and never will be, again) this time round, that is still their second highest GE polling ever. The SNP took more seats than the entire opposition, combined, and more than the Lib-dems nationwide. Sorry to disappoint you but she is going nowhere. The 2nd referendum has already been voted for at Holyrood - something Ruth the mooth and the Dug seem to have forgotten - and ultimately the fate of that referendum is still linked to post-Brexit, as it always was. May is toast, no question. The tories will see to that themselves. and indey ref 2 should be thought with real consequences. No vote- abolition of the Scottish parliament, and we take our rightful place as equals amongst the rest of the UK Yes vote - we are a country Its not that big a gamble, the parliament will come under question as a huge cash cow if we want to remain, if we choose to remain we should fall in line with the rest of the UK. Hope never works, fear does. Time for a massive change of thinking amongst the SNP. Even I am likely to vote labour in the next GE as ultimately Scotland is a battle ( a small one), UK wide is the war. SNP can't win the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Nope, we really are a shite bag nation. We have had several chance to take our destiny in to our hands, each time we passed. We will now be governed by England and NI. The parliment should be brought into question given 60% of the electorate are anti SNP ( Anti independence). We don't deserve to be treated differently from the rest of the UK, we chose to be part of the UK, we have helped elect a Tory/ NI Westminster government, we deserved to be governed the same as other regions of the UK. It should be laid out as such. Calm down dear, Scotland was pretty consistant- it wants to remain in the Union, and it wants a softer Brexit all the previous Labour voters ( ie the poorer demographic) have slavishly moved over to the SNP for ever The fishing and farming communities were always Tory, never really changed to SNP and have now "gone home" none of this is surprising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 This. Scotland has shat the bed again. Settle down Vic,go have a beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Not only are the majority of Scots happy to be part of the Union, they're proud to be part of the United Kingdom. Nationalists lashing out on the way down as the realisation dawns on them. Great stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 We love it. The perennial underachievers. The national cringe. The gallant losers. Just a country of cowards who will always bend a knee towards an Englishman. Tried explaining the national cringe to the wife, and American friends, they don't get it. Utter embarrassment. No cringe here, love being Scottish, Also love being Scottish as part of the UK I'd have to say I somewhat feel SUPERIOR to the English, and certainly would never countenance bending to anyone I'm not married to.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowmans_Boot Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 I said on the eve of the election I voted Tory. I voted Tory in the Council elections too. Why would I be ashamed to say what I vote. What I do open myself up to though by saying that is a vitriolic onslaught from rabid posters who show no respect for anyone else point of view. There are at few exceptions but not many. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I wasnt giving you a hard time for voting Tory, I just thought you werent being entirely honest and admitting that it was because you are better off personally by doing so. Apologies if I got the wrong end of the stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirt Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Not only are the majority of Scots happy to be part of the Union, they're proud to be part of the United Kingdom. Nationalists lashing out on the way down as the realisation dawns on them. Great stuff I'm a supporter of independence but even more so a supporter of democracy and if what you say is true, and it would seem to be, then fine. That needs to be accepted. But why then do we have a Scottish Parliament and why are we treated differently to other UK countries as has been said above? In my opinion it needs to be all or nothing. I have my preference but I wouldn't say categorically that one is right and the other is wrong. Because of your post I'd be interested to know, as someone who is proud to be in the Union would you support the Scottish Parliament being dissolved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Don Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Not only are the majority of Scots happy to be part of the Union, they're proud to be part of the United Kingdom. Nationalists lashing out on the way down as the realisation dawns on them. Great stuff Yep Nats are still greetin intae their porridge. Everyone that didn't vote SNP is dumb, stupid, traitorous, Tory lovers. The list goes on. Typical angry wee people with more chips on their shoulders than a McCains factory. The SNP took a helluva doin last night and it was only there huge leads from 2015 that saved them from even bigger humiliation. 37% share means 63% have spoken and said ram yer Indy ref2. If wee nippy had concentrated on her day job and did what she was elected to do and that's look after Scotlands health, education, policing, transport etc then she might not be looking at such an embarrassing kick in the baws. Fat Eck certainly said in 2014 it was a once in a generation chance, wee nippy has made sure it's going to be a few generations before it's brought up again. Surely her position is untenable now. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 And yet Norway doesn't rush to join. Perhaps because, you know, the direction of travel is a Federal Europe with even more supranational powers with a currency that isn't fit for purpose and is strangling the life out of southern Europe. Pretty much the world wide economy is stagnated nowadays. Not just Europe. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 I wasnt giving you a hard time for voting Tory, I just thought you werent being entirely honest and admitting that it was because you are better off personally by doing so. Apologies if I got the wrong end of the stick. Not you in that category [emoji106] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowmans_Boot Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Not only are the majority of Scots happy to be part of the Union, they're proud to be part of the United Kingdom. Nationalists lashing out on the way down as the realisation dawns on them. Great stuff I think most people are proud to be Scottish but like the perceived financial/national security that they believe being part of the UK brings them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Yep Nats are still greetin intae their porridge. Everyone that didn't vote SNP is dumb, stupid, traitorous, Tory lovers. The list goes on. Typical angry wee people with more chips on their shoulders than a McCains factory. The SNP took a helluva doin last night and it was only there huge leads from 2015 that saved them from even bigger humiliation. 37% share means 63% have spoken and said ram yer Indy ref2. If wee nippy had concentrated on her day job and did what she was elected to do and that's look after Scotlands health, education, policing, transport etc then she might not be looking at such an embarrassing kick in the baws. Fat Eck certainly said in 2014 it was a once in a generation chance, wee nippy has made sure it's going to be a few generations before it's brought up again. Surely her position is untenable now. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 35 seats is still an electoral hiding, don't dress it up as anything else. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Pretty much the world wide economy is stagnated nowadays. Not just Europe. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro Indeed. Not everywhere has unemployment in double digits beginning with 2 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Indeed. Not everywhere has unemployment in double digits beginning with 2 though. Maybe they need more zero hour contracts to massage the figures. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Maybe they need more zero hour contracts to massage the figures. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro Or maybe they need their own currencies to devalue and find their own level to give them breathing space? Radical idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirt Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 I think most people are proud to be Scottish but like the perceived financial/national security that they believe being part of the UK brings them. Bang on. From talking to people I know a fair number who follow this exact line of thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Maybe they need more zero hour contracts to massage the figures. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro So Spacey, tick tock tick tock...........when will indyref2 be now?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 I'm a supporter of independence but even more so a supporter of democracy and if what you say is true, and it would seem to be, then fine. That needs to be accepted. But why then do we have a Scottish Parliament and why are we treated differently to other UK countries as has been said above? In my opinion it needs to be all or nothing. I have my preference but I wouldn't say categorically that one is right and the other is wrong. Because of your post I'd be interested to know, as someone who is proud to be in the Union would you support the Scottish Parliament being dissolved? Yes, I'd support the closure of the Scottish Parliament. I'd also support more powers devolved to local government authorities across the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 I think most people are proud to be Scottish but like the perceived financial/national security that they believe being part of the UK brings them. Agreed. That's my experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Some of the electorate in Scotland are so far from reality it's disturbing. Are you being deliberately ironic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Yes, I'd support the closure of the Scottish Parliament. I'd also support more powers devolved to local government authorities across the UK. I wouldn't , because they are my Bullwark against left wing governments. Even had Corbyn got in the SNP would have protected me from the taxation insanity of labour, and the VAT off private school fees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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