Brexit?

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

Parliament has vetoed the proposed amendments by the House of Lords tonight. Looking like we're steaming towards invoking article 50 now. Be done before the end of the month seemingly.

 

Depressing.

[Cade]

Rights of EU workers in the UK denied.

 

What a shambles. Using people as bargaining chips.

 

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

Rights of EU workers in the UK denied.

 

What a shambles. Using people as bargaining chips.

 

I support the government invoking A50 because that's what was voted for. But that with EU citizens is bad

[Francis Albert]

Rights of EU workers in the UK denied.

 

What a shambles. Using people as bargaining chips.

 

The UK has repeatedly said that all 3m  EU residents in the UK can stay as long as the 1m UK residents in the rest of the EU can stay. It is the rest of the EU that has refused to discuss this until Article 50 is formally triggered. Who is using people as bargaining chips?

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

The UK has repeatedly said that all 3m EU residents in the UK can stay as long as the 1m UK residents in the rest of the EU can stay. It is the rest of the EU that has refused to discuss this until Article 50 is formally triggered. Who is using people as bargaining chips?

Perhaps it would be a good idea to take the moral high ground?

[The Comedian]

Parliament has vetoed the proposed amendments by the House of Lords tonight. Looking like we're steaming towards invoking article 50 now. Be done before the end of the month seemingly.

 

Depressing.

 

 

Rights of EU workers in the UK denied.

 

What a shambles. Using people as bargaining chips.

 

 

[Cade]

The UK has repeatedly said that all 3m  EU residents in the UK can stay as long as the 1m UK residents in the rest of the EU can stay. It is the rest of the EU that has refused to discuss this until Article 50 is formally triggered. Who is using people as bargaining chips?

The UK are the ones starting the whole process, so they should be the ones to start the negotiations and guarantee the rights of EU nationals living and working in the UK.

[jake]

The UK are the ones starting the whole process, so they should be the ones to start the negotiations and guarantee the rights of EU nationals living and working in the UK.

 

What about the rights of democratic wishes of the uk citizens?

They voted for brexit.

The government must act on that vote.

 

The final terms of this brexit are not finalised.

If not guarenteed EU citizens will be obliged to apply for citizenship the same as non EU citizens are obliged to apply throughout the EU.

 

Although i dare say you will only view the uk as right wing racists.

Regardless of the facts.

 

Control of immigration does not make a country racist but responsible.

Planned housing education and health.

 

The uk is ahead of the curve on this just look to whats happening in Europe.

 

And please dont characterise this through ukip .

Try to see that the EU is not the anti racist shield against little englanders .

 

Oh and please can you answer where the torie heartlands are that are destitute and full of poor working class english that you ridiculously said on another thread.

[jake]

Perhaps all the pro EU posters would care to wonder at the 2016 ultimation to the Greeks.

Not even written in greek but english.

 

A tranfer of all public services and infrastructure to the jurisdiction of brussels.

 

Perhaps you will look into this.

Mostly you will blind yourself with bus advertisements.

 

Any socialist who thinks the EU a bastion of fairness for society is quite frankly thick .

 

Wont post links as its easy to find .

[Jambo-Jimbo]

Rights of EU workers in the UK denied.

 

What a shambles. Using people as bargaining chips.

 

 

100% correct, Frau Merkel should be ashamed of herself, using people as pawns.

 

The UK offered to unilaterally guarantee the rights of the 3m EU citizens living and working in the UK if the EU were willing to reciprocate the same for the 1m Brits living aboard.

Merkel refused point blank to even discuss it until article 50 was invoked saying that it would be part of the negotiations.

Only 2 out of the other 27 countries refused to discuss this issue until article 50 was invoked, the other 25 were willing to come to a separate agreement with the UK.

It is Germany and one other who are the problem here, not the UK.

 

In saying that, I wanted and still do want the UK government to just come out and guarantee EU citizens rights, and thus force the EU's hand.

 

[Don Dan]

The House of Lords has passed the Brexit bill, paving the way for the government to trigger Article 50 so the UK can leave the EU.

Peers backed down over the issues of EU residency rights and a meaningful vote on the final Brexit deal after their objections were overturned by MPs.

The bill is expected to receive Royal Assent and become law on Tuesday.

The BBC's Laura Kuenssberg said this would leave Theresa May free to push the button on withdrawal talks.

The prime minister could theoretically invoke Article 50, which formally starts the Brexit process, as early as Tuesday.

However, Downing Street sources have said this will not happen this week and the PM is expected to wait until the end of the month to officially notify the EU of the UK's intention to leave, thus beginning what is expected to be a two-year process.

The EU Withdrawal Bill was passed unamended after peers voted by 274 votes to 118 not to challenge the Commons again over the issue of whether Parliament should have a veto on the terms of exit.

The House of Lords had already agreed not to reinsert guarantees over the status of EU residents in the UK back into the bill after they were rejected by MPs, with the government winning the vote by a margin of 274 votes to 135.

Earlier, the government had comfortably won votes on the issues in the Commons, with only a handful of Tory MPs rebelling.

Brexit campaigners welcomed the "clear mandate" given to the UK government ahead of the start of official negotiations.

"Now, it's time to go into these negotiations with some ambition and support the government, so it can secure the very best deal - one that is good for the whole UK, and good for the EU too," said Tory MP and former minister Dominic Raab.

[aussieh]

100% correct, Frau Merkel should be ashamed of herself, using people as pawns.

 

The UK offered to unilaterally guarantee the rights of the 3m EU citizens living and working in the UK if the EU were willing to reciprocate the same for the 1m Brits living aboard.

Merkel refused point blank to even discuss it until article 50 was invoked saying that it would be part of the negotiations.

Only 2 out of the other 27 countries refused to discuss this issue until article 50 was invoked, the other 25 were willing to come to a separate agreement with the UK.

It is Germany and one other who are the problem here, not the UK.

 

In saying that, I wanted and still do want the UK government to just come out and guarantee EU citizens rights, and thus force the EU's hand.

Do blame Germany ffs

[Jambo-Jimbo]

Do blame Germany ffs

 

May has proposed a deal to guarantee EU citizens rights 3 times now and 3 times Merkel has rebuffed her, saying that the rules state that no negotiations can take place until article 50 is invoked.

Germany and one other country are hiding behind red tape and rules, whilst the other 25 were willing to bypass the rules because of the sensitivity of the issue, but Germany put their foot down and prevented any deal on EU or UK citizens rights, before article 50 being invoked.

 

So damn right I'm blaming Germany.

 

[AlphonseCapone]

Is there a reason May is apparently going to wait until the 27th? Just get it done now.

[Boris]

Is there a reason May is apparently going to wait until the 27th? Just get it done now.

 

Because the wind was taken out of her sails yesterday by Sturgeon's announcement.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

Is there a reason May is apparently going to wait until the 27th? Just get it done now.

 

There are various dates in the calendar which clash with other European events (Dutch Election, Treaty of Rome Anniversary etc) and it would be deemed to be insensitive on the part of the UK to trigger article 50 on certain dates.

 

I agree though, just get it done at the first opportunity.

 

[The Real Maroonblood]

Is there a reason May is apparently going to wait until the 27th? Just get it done now.

I suppose April 1st is not appropriate because it's a Saturday.

[AlphonseCapone]

I suppose April 1st is not appropriate because it's a Saturday.

[Yoda]

Because the wind was taken out of her sails yesterday by Sturgeon's announcement.

Not so Boris.  Next week is the anniversary of the Treat of Rome.  May didn't want to rain on their parade.

 

We can wait another week, before getting in the lifeboat.

[Yoda]

Parliament has vetoed the proposed amendments by the House of Lords tonight. Looking like we're steaming towards invoking article 50 now. Be done before the end of the month seemingly.

 

Depressing.

 

[aussieh]

May has proposed a deal to guarantee EU citizens rights 3 times now and 3 times Merkel has rebuffed her, saying that the rules state that no negotiations can take place until article 50 is invoked.

Germany and one other country are hiding behind red tape and rules, whilst the other 25 were willing to bypass the rules because of the sensitivity of the issue, but Germany put their foot down and prevented any deal on EU or UK citizens rights, before article 50 being invoked.

 

So damn right I'm blaming Germany.

 

Germany didn't leave England did, take it up with them. And May can say what she wants as she knows fine well the EU stance. Oh and BTW this is only Exiting negotiations, no trade deals will be done before England leaves. They'll have to come back afterwards to negotiate a trade deal. Fact.

[aussieh]

Because the wind was taken out of her sails yesterday by Sturgeon's announcement.

Fecked up her script, needs a rewrite. She's the worst PM in the history of WM at answering questions unscripted. Hopeless. England will leave the EU with a couple of jelly babies and bottle of ouzo if it's her negotiating Eexit.

[Malinga the Swinga]

Fecked up her script, needs a rewrite. She's the worst PM in the history of WM at answering questions unscripted. Hopeless. England will leave the EU with a couple of jelly babies and bottle of ouzo if it's her negotiating Eexit.

She can handle Sturgeon's minions easily enough at question time. Makes them look like the small time players they are when she shows them up on a weekly basis. Bring it on, lose the referdum and then bye bye aussieh ( as promised in one of your earlier posts). What a glorious day that will be, the union strong as ever and no more aussieh. Mintit

[Pans Jambo]

Fecked up her script, needs a rewrite. She's the worst PM in the history of WM at answering questions unscripted. Hopeless. England will leave the EU with a couple of jelly babies and bottle of ouzo if it's her negotiating Eexit.

I'm glad. Feckin hate Ouzo. Gid enough for her.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

Germany didn't leave England did, take it up with them. And May can say what she wants as she knows fine well the EU stance. Oh and BTW this is only Exiting negotiations, no trade deals will be done before England leaves. They'll have to come back afterwards to negotiate a trade deal. Fact.

 

It's the UK that is leaving the EU, that includes Scotland as well, whether we gain Independence or not.

 

[Malinga the Swinga]

Germany didn't leave England did, take it up with them. And May can say what she wants as she knows fine well the EU stance. Oh and BTW this is only Exiting negotiations, no trade deals will be done before England leaves. They'll have to come back afterwards to negotiate a trade deal. Fact.

it is the uk that is leaving, including Scotland .Why do you hate the Enlish so much, did they steal your favourite crayon, or is it that you actually want to be English? I reckon you are a repressed unionist, and that underneath it all, you just love the UK.

 

Guess we will never know as when the referendum is held and Scotland remains as part of the Union, you, buy your own word, are offski. What a day that will be. Mintit.

[aussieh]

She can handle Sturgeon's minions easily enough at question time. Makes them look like the small time players they are when she shows them up on a weekly basis. Bring it on, lose the referdum and then bye bye aussieh ( as promised in one of your earlier posts). What a glorious day that will be, the union strong as ever and no more aussieh. Mintit

And I've been nice so far. Done as in with referendum, BTW.

 

 

 

But hey little Brit enjoy while you can , until you and yours are placed in the wall.

 

 

 

 

 

Tick tock

 

 

 

Mintit

[aussieh]

it is the uk that is leaving, including Scotland .Why do you hate the Enlish so much, did they steal your favourite crayon, or is it that you actually want to be English? I reckon you are a repressed unionist, and that underneath it all, you just love the UK.

 

Guess we will never know as when the referendum is held and Scotland remains as part of the Union, you, buy your own word, are offski. What a day that will be. Mintit.

Oh dear I think you'll find in time only England left. Oh the tears will be bitter for yourself as you're escorted off the premises.

[Seymour M Hersh]

Perhaps it would be a good idea to take the moral high ground?

 

Maybe as mentioned on another thread if people really want to stay here they could apply for citizenship.  I take it you've never been involved in negotiations? Maybe the EU could have shown some decency and agreed to Mrs Mays request to secure the futures of both EU and UK citizens living abroad prior to the negotiations but Mrs Merkel was having none of it. 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

Maybe as mentioned on another thread if people really want to stay here they could apply for citizenship.  I take it you've never been involved in negotiations? Maybe the EU could have shown some decency and agreed to Mrs Mays request to secure the futures of both EU and UK citizens living abroad prior to the negotiations but Mrs Merkel was having none of it. 

 

You and I are both in agreement concerning the attitude of Frau Merkel, it is quite frankly disgusting, mind Donald Tusk isn't much better, he's stabbed every Pole in the UK in the back, no wonder his own countrymen wanted him out of power within the EU.

 

We can only hope that the EU enter into the Brexit negotiations willing to negotiate and not try and dictate terms.

[AlphonseCapone]

Maybe as mentioned on another thread if people really want to stay here they could apply for citizenship. I take it you've never been involved in negotiations? Maybe the EU could have shown some decency and agreed to Mrs Mays request to secure the futures of both EU and UK citizens living abroad prior to the negotiations but Mrs Merkel was having none of it.

Do you know how difficult and costly citizenship is? And quite frankly ridiculous, most "citizens" would fail the test.

 

Why not just grant it to to them on the proviso Brits abroad aren't messed about?

[Jambo-Jimbo]

Do you know how difficult and costly citizenship is? And quite frankly ridiculous, most "citizens" would fail the test.

 

Why not just grant it to to them on the proviso Brits abroad aren't messed about?

 

You would them be accused of abandoning the Brits abroad and leaving them at the mercy of whatever country they happen to be living in, if you didn't have a reciprocal agreement in place beforehand.

 

It's a catch 22 situation.

[AlphonseCapone]

You would them be accused of abandoning the Brits abroad and leaving them at the mercy of whatever country they happen to be living in, if you didn't have a reciprocal agreement in place beforehand.

 

It's a catch 22 situation.

Potentially but do we really think these countries will do anything nasty? I don't have the numbers but I doubt the Brits abroad are poor so likely bring benefits to the country they are in.

 

It's like a first date, no one wants to make the first move even though both sides want the same thing, before you know it, no one gets what they want.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

Potentially but do we really think these countries will do anything nasty? I don't have the numbers but I doubt the Brits abroad are poor so likely bring benefits to the country they are in.

 

It's like a first date, no one wants to make the first move even though both sides want the same thing, before you know it, no one gets what they want.

 

Of course not, but that's the way it would get spun by the Governments political opponents.

They are getting slated for not guaranteeing EU citizens rights, but if they did guarantee those rights without a reciprocal agreement then they'd get slated for not caring about the Brits aboard.

 

An agreement will be reached fairly soon I would think and there won't be any mass deportations such as the likes of the scaremongering which was put forward by the SNP's Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh in the commons the other day, I would have thought she would know better, her being a lawyer and all, however if she thinks that there will be squads rounding up EU citizens and forcibly deporting them, then it is clear she doesn't know anything about her own country. 

 

 

[jake]

Do you know how difficult and costly citizenship is? And quite frankly ridiculous, most "citizens" would fail the test.

 

Why not just grant it to to them on the proviso Brits abroad aren't messed about?

 

Actually i must agree that the cost of citezenship is expensive talking to boys i know.

Australia i think demands you have enough capital to support yoirself if work dries up.

 

It is a pity that there are problems for ordinary people but we imo cannot continue to be part of a failing and corrupt superstate.

There are far more ordinary europeans affected adversely because of the EU.

[Seymour M Hersh]

Do you know how difficult and costly citizenship is? And quite frankly ridiculous, most "citizens" would fail the test.

 

Why not just grant it to to them on the proviso Brits abroad aren't messed about?

 

As I've said many times Mrs May has suggested this to the EU (3 times I believe) but led by Merkel they have refused point blank to do so.

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

Corbyn's performance at PMQs today an absolute shambles. He needs driven from office.

[frankblack]

Corbyn's performance at PMQs today an absolute shambles. He needs driven from office.

 

I think we are now at a critical point with Brexit and Indy 2 where Labour need a strong leader.  Sadly I don't think Corbyn has done well at all since getting re-elected.

[HaymarketJambo]

Corbyn's performance at PMQs today an absolute shambles. He needs driven from office.

 

 

No Corbyn must stay. He is doing a brilliant job for the Conservatives and the SNP. LOL 

[Cade]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/cambridges-visit-paris-soft-power-brexit-william-kate-charles-camilla-article-50

 

 

I'm sure that parading some parasite royals around in revolutionary, republican France will go down very well, ya mups.

[Cade]

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[Cade]

At PMQ's this week:

"The UK has one of the worst performing currencies in the world.

It has a trade defecit of ?133billion and a national debt approaching ?1.7trillion.

I ask the Prime Minister: Does she really believe that the UK can afford to be an independent country?"

 

SNP on fine form.

 

:'>

[aussieh]

Who was that King billy was pumping at the weekend, Kathy won't be pleased.

[jake]

Absolute disgrace the people and posters making working class europeans in this country scared for their future.

Lying toads spreadibg lies.

 

I work beside many from east and south europe.

My neighbours from the south.

 

Worried they are because of so called socialists.

 

Even though they when you gwt beyond their worries about the scaremongwring guardian coffee sippers like cade .

And the racist bigots like aussie.

They agree the EU has broken their homelands.

 

Shame on the guardian liars and their coffee club.

[aussieh]

Absolute disgrace the people and posters making working class europeans in this country scared for their future.

Lying toads spreadibg lies.

 

I work beside many from east and south europe.

My neighbours from the south.

 

Worried they are because of so called socialists.

 

Even though they when you gwt beyond their worries about the scaremongwring guardian coffee sippers like cade .

And the racist bigots like aussie.

They agree the EU has broken their homelands.

 

Shame on the guardian liars and their coffee club.

You're the racist jake, but you don't even realise it.

Whose scaremonger BTW? The Tory overlords you seem to have Stockholm syndrome about now. Oh and English isn't a race it's a nationality, whose elected government oppress the Scots, so yes I am tad bitter, you on the other hand, well... The list is too long. Obama, refugees, Scots, Europeans, gays etc... Here do you want some pillowcases, red white and blue are available or you could colour them in with all the crayons from up yer nose.

[zoltan socrates]

Chuckle, theres that bullshit misuse of the word stockholm syndrome again, trying to sound smart, looking like a fool

 

Tell us aussie, who has us held against our will? The 'inglish'?

 

Paisley must be more insular than i thought, still in the 1600s by the sound of it, has the abbey started listing yet?

[The Tartan Trump]

Utter shambles from David Davies at the parliamentary committee yesterday.

These clownshoes have literally no idea what they are doing.

Back of a fag packet is being generous.

Say what you like about the Indy ref white paper, I agree it was bad. At least it was some sort of plan though.

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

Utter shambles from David Davies at the parliamentary committee yesterday.

These clownshoes have literally no idea what they are doing.

Back of a fag packet is being generous.

Say what you like about the Indy ref white paper, I agree it was bad. At least it was some sort of plan though.

Still a plan full of shite.

[Seymour M Hersh]

Still a plan full of shite.

 

Lies and an economic "plan" that really was written on the back of a fag packet.

[aussieh]

Chuckle, theres that bullshit misuse of the word stockholm syndrome again, trying to sound smart, looking like a fool

 

Tell us aussie, who has us held against our will? The 'inglish'?

 

Paisley must be more insular than i thought, still in the 1600s by the sound of it, has the abbey started listing yet?

Theresa May? Proves my point, WM oppression of Scotland, but hey your Stockholm is quite severe, Zee. My condolences