Bazzas right boot Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 We haven't brexited yet but never the less it will give us control of our borders. Unemployment has fallen in the uk. We dont have the money yet saved from brexit. But if a government chooses to spend it on the nhs they can. Only if we leave everything else, this was not the line peddled at the time, so it was a lie. It has, as per your previous line we haven't left yet. These figures can be manipulated. but I agree it is falling atm. IDS has already called the NHS thing out ( before he left), as I think has Boris, who I think denied it if memory serves. The figures themselves are In question, I've seen other figures contradicting this, but who knows what is true, I can confidently predict if there is any money saved it isn't going on the NHS or anywhere near Scotland. If the Torie's increase the spending on the NHS after Brexit, I will vote tory, by a union jack suit, join an orange band and gladly sing rule Britannia. As I said, Brexit might be good, I am a little indifferent to it and can see both sides, what tipped it for me is the divided Europe mantra, I don't think this is ever a good thing, we seem to be undoing allot of the good work that has taken 70 years to achieve, however I might be and hope I am talking pish on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 We haven't brexited yet but never the less it will give us control of our borders. Unemployment has fallen in the uk. We dont have the money yet saved from brexit. But if a government chooses to spend it on the nhs they can. Control the borders? Aye fae the EU, not Africa, Asia, or the the Caribbean. You'll no like that.I'm gutted for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 We haven't brexited yet but never the less it will give us control of our borders. Unemployment has fallen in the uk. We dont have the money yet saved from brexit. But if a government chooses to spend it on the nhs they can. An Indy Scotland needs a population transplant. EU citizens and a million syrian/iraqi refugees will do the trick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Quick Question GK, What happens if the EU ask Ireland to put up a border?.Then there is a hard border. No one wants it just like no one wants one between England and your dream of an independent Scotland but if it happens, it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Is the USA a failure? The Dollar etc...The USA is a country based first and foremost on political consent from its people to build one country, one common identity, one common flag, one common language etc. Economic union follows from that, not the other way round like the EU has done. When has consent come from the people of the EU to form a country called the Eutopean Union? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 She's already trying to generalise it to make it "the kind of society." She thinks Scottish narcissism about its being a socially just paradise in contrast to English imperialism, genocide, racism and everything EnglandBad will win the day. The attempted EU/UK contrast was good/internationalist/PC/modern v Bad/imperialist/xenophobic. Bullshit. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/18/theresa-may-sturgeon-scottish-referendum-snp-leader?CMP=fb_cif Alex Bell couldn't agree more. She's boxed in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Control the borders? Aye fae the EU, not Africa, Asia, or the the Caribbean. You'll no like that. I'm gutted for you. How many times is aussie going to be able to imply im racist. Seriously its every post now. We already have control over who we allow in from the countries you mentioned. You consistently drag it down to this level . If you had your way we would just have uncontrolled immigration. Id love to see the look on your sorry face if that happened. Are you a spotty teenager or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Just in from work, Sky News saying that all EU leaders have told Maggie May to bolt after yesterday's speech. 17 million plus deluded Brexiteers left scratching their nappers in disbelief. I thought tthat may was expressing a clear intention to bolt ... from the EU and the single market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 The lawyers and civil service responsible for Brexit will be eating all the ?350 million per week saved for the next 10 years. Haha spacey you're probably right there tbh. Think of the legal bills untangling a centuries old union. Cant have it both ways fishface Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Spacey sounds like a yoon when on about brexit. Its funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Haha spacey you're probably right there tbh. Think of the legal bills untangling a centuries old union. Cant have it both ways fishface "fishface" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 I thought tthat may was expressing a clear intention to bolt ... from the EU and the single market [emoji523][emoji523][emoji523][emoji523][emoji523][emoji523][emoji523][emoji777][emoji777][emoji777][emoji777][emoji777][emoji777][emoji777][emoji777] There will be none. On yer knees UKIP light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 [emoji523][emoji523][emoji523][emoji523][emoji523][emoji523][emoji523][emoji777][emoji777][emoji777][emoji777][emoji777][emoji777][emoji777][emoji777] There will be none. On yer knees UKIP light. What does this even mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 What does this even mean? You would know this if you lived in Scotland and followed the media here. It might even affect your life and income too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Banks starting to move jobs already. But it's ok, it's only the service sector right? http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-davos-meeting-hsbc-idUKKBN1520SO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 You would know this if you lived in Scotland and followed the media here. It might even affect your life and income too. If that's the Scottish media then I'm glad I'm not following it. Question for you though Space. Assuming the UK leaves the single market and then assuming you get your dream of Scottish independence, would you want an independent Scotland to be in the single market given that your major export market (the rest of the UK) is outside of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 You would know this if you lived in Scotland and followed the media here. It might even affect your life and income too. Ive lived in Edinburgh since i was born. What media? And what a xenophoboc comment. If Geoff was Achmed living in India you would have shat your already stained yfronts to post that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 If that's the Scottish media then I'm glad I'm not following it. Question for you though Space. Assuming the UK leaves the single market and then assuming you get your dream of Scottish independence, would you want an independent Scotland to be in the single market given that your major export market (the rest of the UK) is outside of it? Yes. But we won't have a hard border as is the case with Ireland. Or so they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 If that's the Scottish media then I'm glad I'm not following it. Question for you though Space. Assuming the UK leaves the single market and then assuming you get your dream of Scottish independence, would you want an independent Scotland to be in the single market given that your major export market (the rest of the UK) is outside of it? Wont answer you . Or someone like boris will try unsuccessfully to argue the difference. Sorry geoff i know the last person you want is me to answer. I get remain and no. I even get leave and no But yes and remain. Ffs Boris the first not boris johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Ive lived in Edinburgh since i was born. What media? And what a xenophoboc comment. If Geoff was Achmed living in India you would have shat your already stained yfronts to post that. Jakeys fall back comfort blanket...everyone is xenophobic to him :-/ What's your job jakey? What age are you? Ever been in a position of responsibility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Yes. But we won't have a hard border as is the case with Ireland. Or so they say. There will be a hard border. There cannot be anything but a hard border. The model opted for will be Sweden/Norway. A hard, but easy, border to cross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Wont answer you . Or someone like boris will try unsuccessfully to argue the difference. Sorry geoff i know the last person you want is me to answer. I get remain and no. I even get leave and no But yes and remain. Ffs Boris the first not boris johnson Tbf, independence within the EU if the UK is an EU member is the easiest of options for independence. Makes it an easier argument to win. Leaving the EU makes independence a harder thing to achieve. Imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 There will be a hard border. There cannot be a hard border. The model opted for will be Sweden/Norway. A hard, but easy, border to cross. There will be a hard or there cannot be a hard border? Make your mind up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 There will be a hard or there cannot be a hard border? Make your mind up.Sorry SM. Should've read "There cannot be anything but a hard border." Long day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Jakeys fall back comfort blanket...everyone is xenophobic to him :-/ What's your job jakey? What age are you? Ever been in a position of responsibility? Im a minium rate paid labourer. Ive spent all my life in that socio economic bracket. The only responsibility i have had is for myself and my family. Ive fed watered and protected them as best i can. Im grateful for the opportunity to have done that with limited ability. Especially considering much of the worlds plight. Does that affect the validity of my opinion? Does that diminish the views i hold? Does that disqualify me from wanting the best for my family? Or in your mind doez that equate me with the thick english working man thats so easily categorised on here without as much as a warning. F u ck you come ahead my worlds as important as anyones. Just sayin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Because id rather be an english workin man than a small minded scots racist bigot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Imports from China ?37 billion Exports to China ?13 billion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Yes. But we won't have a hard border as is the case with Ireland. Or so they say. That's not the point though. If Scotland is one side of the fence to the rest of the UK then there will be questions on freedom of movement in all aspects. In addition, I would expect there to be a referendum on an independent Scotland joining a European Union without the opt-outs that the UK will be rescinding on leaving. Imagine an independent Scotland having Schengen foisted on them as part of that sign-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Because id rather be an english workin man than a small minded scots racist bigot. Calm doon jakey, we are all pals on here, Scottish, English, Welsh, Northern Irish, French, German, Italian, Dutch, Belgian, even the daft fat Yanks who are obsessed with cheese, crap beer and hookers I've tried them all. Where about in England are you from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 That's not the point though. If Scotland is one side of the fence to the rest of the UK then there will be questions on freedom of movement in all aspects. In addition, I would expect there to be a referendum on an independent Scotland joining a European Union without the opt-outs that the UK will be rescinding on leaving. Imagine an independent Scotland having Schengen foisted on them as part of that sign-up. Your point is first in the queue. I'm watching with serious interest. Let's see how it plays out eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Your point is first in the queue. I'm watching with serious interest. Let's see how it plays out eh?Absolutely. Which is why your laughter is a bit premature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Absolutely. Which is why your laughter is a bit premature. No border checks between U.K. and ROI after Brexit? Talk about a money making scheme? Forget AK's and Semtex and drugs, there's a 1000 more profitable commodities. Do you want a trade deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Calm doon jakey, we are all pals on here, Scottish, English, Welsh, Northern Irish, French, German, Italian, Dutch, Belgian, even the daft fat Yanks who are obsessed with cheese, crap beer and hookers I've tried them all. Where about in England are you from? Im scottish born in elsie inglis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 No border checks between U.K. and ROI after Brexit? Talk about a money making scheme? Forget AK's and Semtex and drugs, there's a 1000 more profitable commodities. Do you want a trade deal? You're assuming that tariffs will exist. The Irish government have much more to lose if tariffs do exist. It's the main reason the UK and Ireland joined at the same time in 1973. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 You're assuming that tariffs will exist. The Irish government have much more to lose if tariffs do exist. It's the main reason the UK and Ireland joined at the same time in 1973. I'm a betting man. I'll bet that 435 million will out do 65 million Union Flag wavers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I'm a betting man. I'll bet that 435 million will out do 65 million Union Flag wavers?You're assuming that the governments of those 435 million speak as one voice. Given the rise of Le Pen in France, Wilders in the Netherlands et al, I'm not so sure about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 If that's the Scottish media then I'm glad I'm not following it. Question for you though Space. Assuming the UK leaves the single market and then assuming you get your dream of Scottish independence, would you want an independent Scotland to be in the single market given that your major export market (the rest of the UK) is outside of it? Its the service industry GK. Maybe Edinburgh could take over from London. And the UK's biggest export market is the EU, 50%, So? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 You're assuming that the governments of those 435 million speak as one voice. Given the rise of Le Pen in France, Wilders in the Netherlands et al, I'm not so sure about that.They've no chance. This is where Jake is right, UK propaganda in full swing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 Im scottish born in elsie inglis.Show's your birth lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Its the service industry GK. Maybe Edinburgh could take over from London. And the UK's biggest export market is the EU, 50%, So?The point being is that there is severe pantwetting going on about trade barriers and access. Also, I'd think carefully as to the implications of the Square Mile transferring to St Andrew Square for Edinburgh. Sure, it would be an awesome economic boost but there would be even more flight of Edinburghers to the Lothians and Fife seeking affordable living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 Wont answer you . Or someone like boris will try unsuccessfully to argue the difference. Sorry geoff i know the last person you want is me to answer. I get remain and no. I even get leave and no But yes and remain. Ffs Boris the first not boris johnson You don't understand tactics to push for a second indyref?Quite simple. But you'd rather be under English occupation than Indy and a EU member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 They've no chance. This is where Jake is right, UK propaganda in full swing.Yep. They said that about Trump and Brexit as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 Because id rather be an english workin man than a small minded scots racist bigot.Is that code for Ukip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 Yep. They said that about Trump and Brexit as well.Did they,aye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 Im a minium rate paid labourer. Ive spent all my life in that socio economic bracket. The only responsibility i have had is for myself and my family. Ive fed watered and protected them as best i can. Im grateful for the opportunity to have done that with limited ability. Especially considering much of the worlds plight. Does that affect the validity of my opinion? Does that diminish the views i hold? Does that disqualify me from wanting the best for my family? Or in your mind doez that equate me with the thick english working man thats so easily categorised on here without as much as a warning. F u ck you come ahead my worlds as important as anyones. Just sayin UK ex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 Im a minium rate paid labourer. Ive spent all my life in that socio economic bracket. The only responsibility i have had is for myself and my family. Ive fed watered and protected them as best i can. Im grateful for the opportunity to have done that with limited ability. Especially considering much of the worlds plight. Does that affect the validity of my opinion? Does that diminish the views i hold? Does that disqualify me from wanting the best for my family? Or in your mind doez that equate me with the thick english working man thats so easily categorised on here without as much as a warning. F u ck you come ahead my worlds as important as anyones. Just sayin UK exports to the EU, ?220b-50%. UK is England and only England, they decide as they're Britain.EU exports to the UK, ?290b-16% divided by 27 an average of ?11b per country.The EU must be shiting themselves. They'll need to keep you lot out. Nae immigrants from rUK. Scots welcome as always. Not Brits who were born in Scotland though, after all Jesus was born in a stable and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Did they,ayeAye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 UK exports to the EU, ?220b-50%. UK is England and only England, they decide as they're Britain. EU exports to the UK, ?290b-16% divided by 27 an average of ?11b per country.The EU must be shiting themselves. They'll need to keep you lot out. Nae immigrants from rUK. Scots welcome as always. Not Brits who were born in Scotland though, after all Jesus was born in a stable and all that. If those exports were equally spread, you'd have a point. In reality, Germany is a lot more concerned than Romania. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 If those exports were equally spread, you'd have a point. In reality, Germany is a lot more concerned than Romania.Germany will cope, easily, as they do. Anyway, Refugees this way, all aboard the Eurostar and ferries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Germany will cope, easily, as they do. Anyway, Refugees this way, all aboard the Eurostar and ferries. Funnily enough, all countries will cope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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